From: David Hughes Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 7:50 am Subject: OT : Zeit and Phaedra Sequencers Hello folks, Sorry for the blatent plug but... For information about the Zeit and Phaedra sequences, go to : http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk and follow the link marked 'Instruments'. The feature list is not yet frozen and contributions are most welcome. The functional specification on the web page is an old version of the document and it will be fully revised once we have the feature set defined. To answer Marcel's question, yes, skip steps are fully supported - they were a late addition to the specification and a large number of people have requested this capability. There is a discussion group for all things Zeit-related over on yahoogroups called 'Infectioninstruments'. Traffic is low and contributions are most welcome. If you would like more information please contact me off list. I am more than happy to answer any questions you might have. Best wishes David Hughes Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 8:12 am Subject: Fwd: [Mantovani] Problems Hello all! Dale's right. Yahoogroups must be really messed up. The Mantovani list owner can't even post. He forwarded the message below asking me to post it on his behalf. But as it appears that the tadream list really isn't dead, I guess it's moot and he will have to get his own list. Ciao -- Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Fwd: [Mantovani] Problems] Hello. It has come to our attention that though we've recycled the disused, former tadream list, posts to it continue to be headed by '[tadream]'. We are working on this problem and request your patience. Regards, Mantovani-owner From: René Brenner Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 10:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 SHN Downloading To all who use shn: There is a new lossless format available called flac which should result in smaller files than the corresponding .shn files. It's released under the GNU General Public License and available for many platforms e.g. Windows, Linux, *BSD, Solaris, OS X, etc. You can get it from: http://flac.sourceforge.net/ Regards René On Fri, Jul 19, 2002 at 12:22:47 -0500, Morgan Feldon wrote: > The Tangerine Tree 2 is being distributed as SHN files to retain the > perfect quality of the original CDs. > > There are other sources for mp3 versions, if you are so inclined, but we > are NOT seeding the tree in this manner. From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 11:44 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1426 > Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 06:23:06 -0000 > From: 'tangram80' > Subject: German Auction > > Hello everyone > > I just noticed the following auction: isn't it awesome? > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=895392159 > > Rgds > Jeffrey You know, 35,000EU divided by the 503 members of this list is ONLY 69.58EU!!! Then the Tadream Mailing list can have it's own, professional studio for the exclusive use of each of the list members. It could also be used to master concert recordings and other things. So to whom should I send my 70.00EU to????? Neal Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35005 Re: Digest Number 1426 mars103nl Fri 7/26/2002 2 KB 35006 Re: Digest Number 1426 PERGAMON Fri 7/26/2002 2 KB 35011 Re: Digest Number 1426 Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 7/26/2002 3 KB 35015 Re: GWOC, SHN, studio, bouncing mails Gustavo Jobim Fri 7/26/2002 4 KB From: 'mars103nl' Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 12:20 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 1426 --- In tadream@y..., 'E Neal Frost' wrote: > > You know, 35,000EU divided by the 503 members of this list is ONLY > 69.58EU!!! Then the Tadream Mailing list can have it's own, professional > studio for the exclusive use of each of the list members. It could also be > used to master concert recordings and other things. > > So to whom should I send my 70.00EU to????? Well count me out. I don't find any interesting instruments on that equipment-list apart from maybe the MemoryMoog. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 12:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1426 That is about 2,86 min. to each member pr day...........................................sounds like a good deal......=O) Jan > You know, 35,000EU divided by the 503 members of this list is ONLY > 69.58EU!!! Then the Tadream Mailing list can have it's own, professional > studio for the exclusive use of each of the list members. It could also be > used to master concert recordings and other things. > > So to whom should I send my 70.00EU to????? > > Neal From: ampmusic Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 1:00 pm Subject: Re: Schulze Message: 2 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 06:23:06 -0000 From: 'tangram80' Subject: German Auction Hello everyone I just noticed the following auction: isn't it awesome? http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=895392159 Rgds Jeffrey If you think about it, all he's doing is selling the mixing desk/s, which studios regularly do when they want to update, plus a couple of older keyboards and samplers, some Quasimidi modules of which he has about 17 remaining, and some old PA and processing gear. It probably indicates that like a lot of studios he's going over to the use of virtual synths on a big computer - a much more efficient way to work (not that I've done it myself - still around 25 instruments listed on the 'Sequencer Loops' CD). Did a quick visit to Mike Oldfield's studio last week. It's now much more sparse than it used to be, as he's going over to virtual synths too. Full interview at http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/emix.html in the next few days... From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 1:26 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #279 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #279 July 25, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Robert Carty, who creates ambient and spacemusic from his unique perspective. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Source' on the Deep Sky label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Heaven and Hell' by Vangelis on the RCA label. Robert Carty http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jul PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Vangelis Part 2 * Heaven and Hell (RCA) T-Bass UK The Fabulous Neutrinos The Fabulous Neutrinos (Infection Music) Wave World The Plains of Narrdal Another Strange Day on Gonxa (VFR Records) Jonn Serrie Dawn Trader Planetary Chronicles Vol. 1 (Miramar) Wave World Trasyyqhu Another Strange Day on Gonxa (VFR Records) VA [Ben Neill] Chenistry of 7 The Gatherings (Synkronos) Dweller at the Walk in the Dust CDR from Paul (none) Threshold VA [Jeff Greinke] Vocal Overlay The Gatherings (Synkronos) Tom Seche au debut op. 1 Step by Step (Rocket to the Moon) Terra Ambient Aether * The Darker Space (Space for Music) 12:00 am Robert Carty Breath Source (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Electric Blood Source (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Roots of Soul Source (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Discover 1 Source (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Discover 2 Source (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Discover 3 Source (Deep Sky) Robert Carty Discover 4 Source (Deep Sky) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Hemisphere. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Intruders' on the Groove label. The vinyl show starter will be from the soundtrack LP 'Angst' by Klaus Schulze on the IC label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Show Site: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic Radio Station Web Site: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 1:49 pm Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for July, 2002 WDIY 88.1 FM 'EMUSIC' Top 20 report to New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for July, 2002. Shows #276 to #279; 4-July-2002 to 25-July-2002 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@f... CONTACT: billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Bjorn Lynne - Colony - none Dino Pacifici - special cdr - none Klangwelt - Weltweit - Spheric Mark Jenkins - Sequencer Loops - AMP Paul Ellis - Into the Liquid Unknown - Binary Robert Carty - Energy - Deep Sky Robert Carty - Gateway - Deep Sky Robert Carty - Midnight Rainbows - Deep Sky Robert Carty - Source - Deep Sky Ron Boots - Liquid Structures in Solid Form - Groove T-Bass UK - The Fabulous Neutrinos - Infection Music Terra Ambient - The Darker Space - Space for Music Various Artists - Beyond Me - Neu Harmony Various Artists - First Decade - Manikin Various Artists - Lost & Found - Foundry/Hypnos Various Artists - Portraits - In the Bubble Music Various Artists - The Gatherings - Synkronos Vir Unis and Chris Short - The Yellow House - In the Bubble Music Vir Unis and Saul Stokes - Thermal Transfer - Binary Wave World - Another Strange Day on Gonxa - VFR Records Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Show Site: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic Radio Station Web Site: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 3:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 SHN Downloading Great... does this mean we go back to square on for the FTP? It they are smaller and quality is the same, this would be a good thing for those on slow boat to China connections. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. By the Way Mark is Evil and his LFO is on Ramp ----- Original Message ----- From: 'René Brenner' To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 3:10 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 SHN Downloading > To all who use shn: There is a new lossless format available called flac > which should result in smaller files than the corresponding .shn files. > > It's released under the GNU General Public License and available for many > platforms e.g. Windows, Linux, *BSD, Solaris, OS X, etc. > > You can get it from: http://flac.sourceforge.net/ > > Regards > René > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2002 at 12:22:47 -0500, Morgan Feldon wrote: > > The Tangerine Tree 2 is being distributed as SHN files to retain the > > perfect quality of the original CDs. > > > > There are other sources for mp3 versions, if you are so inclined, but we > > are NOT seeding the tree in this manner. > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 3:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1426 Interesting idea... Not only that but could be rest it out to ourselves and others to pay the additional expenses, then perhaps make a tidy profit to use to get us off the Yahoo monkey on the back? dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. By the Way Mark is Evil and his LFO is on Ramp ----- Original Message ----- From: 'E Neal Frost' To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 4:44 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1426 > > Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 06:23:06 -0000 > > From: 'tangram80' > > Subject: German Auction > > > > Hello everyone > > > > I just noticed the following auction: isn't it awesome? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=895392159 > > > > Rgds > > Jeffrey > > You know, 35,000EU divided by the 503 members of this list is ONLY > 69.58EU!!! Then the Tadream Mailing list can have it's own, professional > studio for the exclusive use of each of the list members. It could also be > used to master concert recordings and other things. > > So to whom should I send my 70.00EU to????? > > Neal > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 3:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Schulze Do you think he is going Spartan? I think, at least this works out for me, one has to have a bit of both in the studio. The trend towards virtual is great but how about all those other trends in the past? Seems a bit of both worlds would be the solution. In my experience so far with using both, the virtual is great but tends to lead me astray. Using actual hardware seems to ensure the discipline needed to get the job done. Mind set I am sure. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. By the Way Mark is Evil and his LFO is on Ramp ----- Original Message ----- From: 'ampmusic' To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 6:00 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Schulze > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 06:23:06 -0000 > From: 'tangram80' > Subject: German Auction > > Hello everyone > > I just noticed the following auction: isn't it awesome? > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=895392159 > > Rgds > Jeffrey > > > If you think about it, all he's doing is selling the mixing desk/s, > which studios regularly do when they want to update, plus a couple of > older keyboards and samplers, some Quasimidi modules of which he has > about 17 remaining, and some old PA and processing gear. > > It probably indicates that like a lot of studios he's going over to the > use of virtual synths on a big computer - a much more efficient way to > work (not that I've done it myself - still around 25 instruments listed > on the 'Sequencer Loops' CD). > > Did a quick visit to Mike Oldfield's studio last week. It's now much > more sparse than it used to be, as he's going over to virtual synths > too. Full interview at http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/emix.html in the > next few days... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35019 Re: Schulze Eric Williamson Sat 7/27/2002 3 KB 35056 Re: Schulze Dan Downey Sun 7/28/2002 5 KB From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 4:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] [Mantovani] Greetings Dan? If this isn't a joke, I truly welcome you back. It has been a long time not seeing you around. Still creating music? 8-Dell >From: Mark Filipak >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream >Subject: [tadream] [Mantovani] Greetings >Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 02:05:26 -0400 > >We have a new Mantovani fan, who just joined. Welcome Dan Schulte! > >Enjoy the music. -- Mark As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:15 pm Subject: [mantovani] great news fans of mantovani may want to check out '101 Strings Orchestra'--sounds just like him. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] GWOC, SHN, studio, bouncing mails Vic Rek said about GWOC: 'You should give it a listen - they are a few great tracks on that CD!' I second that; although it's not fascinating, it's quite interesting. Every time I play it - although that rarely happens - I like it better. The same happens with Exit. ;) -------------- Then René Brenner, about SHN: >'To all who use shn: There is a new lossless format available called flac >which should result in smaller files than the corresponding .shn files.' SHN, then OGG Vorbis, now Flac... now this can really make a headache. an mp3 player, an MD portable player, or a mp3-capable cd player (or the single CD-format mp3-capable player), oh what should i get? oh I just hate and love technology. well, better stay with my old turntable (which is an old-fashioned cd player with am/fm). and play beethoven's 5th and nine inch nails' 'and all that could have been'. ---------------- Then Dale, about the bouncing mails: >'(...) This is what yahoo messages told me. All the groups I belong too where shut down from sending me mail. Due to my mail bouncing back.(...)' yeah. this mysterious bouncing happens here from time to time; unfortunately I've already got used to it. I don't know why this happens. I check my mail at least two times a day, so the box is always empty... ----------------- Finally, Neal Frost, about the studio for sale: >'You know, 35,000EU divided by the 503 members of this list is ONLY >69.58EU!!! Then the Tadream Mailing list can have it's own, professional >studio for the exclusive use of each of the list members. It could also be >used to master concert recordings and other things.' Does it come with fancy portable transoceanic teleporting devices? GJ Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:37 pm Subject: Sound Formats As much as people might talk about OGG Vorbis, Flac, etc. etc., let's look at the standards. SHN is a standard. It's used to distribute fantapes by fans of many different music groups in this country. We didn't just pick it out of a hat. If Flac has a substantial size difference, than we'll look into it. Otherwise, we should stick with the standard. I think people forget that not everyone is a techie. Everyone is still getting up to speed on SHN and into the habit of verifying the concerts we get with them (Tangerine Tree 2 is 8 SHN CDs by the way). OGG Vorbis to me is a non-starter. mp3 at 192 or 256 is already very good quality and there are hundreds of thousands of mp3 players out there. Maybe if I could go into a store and buy a player that worked with OGG Vorbis, I MIGHT consider it, but then the sound quality would have to be significantly better in a smaller size for me to start dealing with 2 formats. At 192kbps quality, I can comfortably fit 8 hours of music on a single mp3 CD. That's pretty hard to beat for a $110 player and 25 cent blank CDs. My entire TD collection exists as mp3s so that everything is easily accessible. My TD CDs are in storage or in the closet. :) And there are dozens of different mp3 models out there, anything from the truly portable memory stick-type mp3 players (which I have no interest in), to the new micro CD mp3 players, which play those new 3' CDs (about 3 hours capacity per disc), and of course my favorite, the mp3 CD players. The nicer ones display the artist and track names and times, or if you select it, the filename. I think that mp3 and SHN are going to be around for a long time. And this is not an attempt to try to switch people to new formats (Betamax, Laserdisc, 8 track). I think audio CDs will be around for a long time, but they will be used differently. Instead of buying a CD to play, you'll buy a CD to add the music to your collection (which might be on a portable mp3 player like an iPod, on multiple mp3 CDs, or in a jukebox in your car). Then the CD goes in storage. :) -Morgan From: scfeldman@j... Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 7:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] [Mantovani] Greetings Nah, it *has* to be a joke if Dano is being welcomed with open arms -- *anywhere*. ;) Stephe Feldman, androgyne http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TransRomance listowner http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:46:36 -0400 'Adele Outland' writes: > Dan? If this isn't a joke, I truly welcome you back. It has been a > long time not seeing you around. Still creating music? 8-Dell > > > >From: Mark Filipak > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: tadream > >Subject: [tadream] [Mantovani] Greetings > >Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 02:05:26 -0400 > > > >We have a new Mantovani fan, who just joined. Welcome Dan Schulte! > > > >Enjoy the music. -- Mark From: 'vic rek' Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 6:48 am Subject: EM CDs Available Excuse me for the self promotion, but to celebrate my 1,000th visitor at www.ricochetdream.com I have decided to sell certain CDs - mainly latest releases and artists associated with the Ricochet Gathering. The lastest Tangerine Dream CDs are there, along with DSOM IX, Klaus Schulze Contemporary Works II (pre-order), and others. Check it out, and the prices are good, especially for the fans living in the USA. Soon I'll be adding great artists like: AirSculpture, Free System Projekt, Arcane and artists from Manikin. VicRek www.ricochetdream.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35030 Re: EM CDs Available Admin Sat 7/27/2002 3 KB From: Eric Williamson Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 8:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Schulze Administrator for kay-net.com wrote: > Do you think he is going Spartan? I think, at least this works out for me, absolutely not. that sale of his equipment seems to me to be more of a cleaning-house sort of sale than a spartanisation routine. nothing that he's selling has been used on an album for awhile now. Mixer: replaced with Soundcraft Ghost Synths: all kind of non-essential. he's got like 3 more EIVs, 17 more Quasimidi thingies, ANOTHER linntronics Memorymoog, and lots of other stuff. those Quasars are _JUNK_. Pooters: old. been replaced. Monitors: probably replaced. software: upgraded. Klaus Schulze is one of those special electro musicians who totally forsake multitimbrality in synthesisers for useability and sound reasons. he has always and will continue to have more gear onstage than _anyone_ else. including me ... but i'm working on it. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 8:35 am Subject: [sonambulistic imagery] 'release date' > Here you go, Thomas (from my Chronology): > > 'Sonambulistic Imagery' > [1993] Blue Moon (TW?) BM-5/BM-6 (boot, KB sound: 9, brittle highs, > nice insert booklet) Hi, those of you who use my sound quality rating as a refernece (a wise decision, by the way :-), please be aware of some past actions: Three times since it's introduction, in 1982, I did an across-the-board downgrading of all live tapes by one grade. This was done to free up top rankings as better and better recording gear became available, digital being the latest. Also, during the search for the best available source tapes for the T.Tree project, quite a few individual recvordings received in-depth scrutiny and got re-rated. Sonambulistic Imagery stands at an '8' now. best regards, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35061 Re: [sonambulistic imagery] 'release date' Jim Moore Sun 7/28/2002 3 KB From: 'omegatransfinito' Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 9:00 am Subject: A question about TT 1&2 covers Apparently the standard in the Tangerine Tree is to name all tracks on all post-80 volumes, but many of the 70s volumes have simply 'Part 1', 'Part 2' etc. Which is somewhat boring since they're not even Part n's of something*. I mean, we have Rubycon Part 1, Tangram Set 2, etc. but TT tracks are referred to by simply the date&venue. IMHO 'Quichotte Part 2' sounds a whole lot better (as a name) than 'Berlin Palast Der Republik 31.01.1980 Set 2 Part 2' I understand that not every of the several dozens (even hundreds?) of T.Dream's improvised 70's concerts can get a name; but since some of them already have names given by some of us on this list: (And here comes my real request) Maff, Marko and Gustavo: would it be too big a job to change some of the track titles into 'real' titles from plain Part 1-2-3s? Here's a list of what I think has been named afterwards so far: TT vol1: Track 1 = Scale Deluxe Track 2 = Sorcerer Supreme Track 3 = Indolent Annihilation TT vol2 = Concave Streams TT vol6: Track 1 = Live Grove Track 2 = Straits of Noon Tracks 3&4 unnamed TT vol8 = Birth of a Black Hole Also, if anyone out there feels similarily about track names; please contact me (johnvertical@h...), we could invent a few further titles, too. John Vertical PS: And just what is this sudden Mantovani plague? I've seen some vague hints, but no real explanations. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35024 Re: A question about TT 1&2 covers Matthew Sawyer Sat 7/27/2002 3 KB 35025 Re: A question about TT 1&2 covers Rolf Elfström Sat 7/27/2002 2 KB 35029 Re: A question about TT 1&2 covers Gustavo Jobim Sat 7/27/2002 2 KB 35032 Re: A question about TT 1&2 covers Admin Sat 7/27/2002 4 KB 35042 Re: A question about TT 1&2 covers John Vertical Sat 7/27/2002 3 KB 35043 Re: A question about TT 1&2 covers Rolf Elfström Sat 7/27/2002 3 KB 35055 Re: A question about TT 1&2 covers thomas b Sun 7/28/2002 2 KB 35045 Re: A question about TT 1&2 covers Chris Owen Sat 7/27/2002 4 KB From: 'omegatransfinito' Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 9:04 am Subject: Free sound editor Does anyone know any free Mac AIFF music editors? I don't really need anything more special than simple cut&paste, fading, and perhaps (though not necessarily) pitch/speed adjustment features. John Vertical Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35026 Re: Free sound editor Paul Fellows Sat 7/27/2002 2 KB 35028 Re: Free sound editor John Vertical Sat 7/27/2002 3 KB 35064 Re: Free sound editor quarlie@a... Sun 7/28/2002 2 KB 35124 Re: Free sound editor dat_dream Thu 8/1/2002 3 KB 35160 Re: Free sound editor John Vertical Fri 8/2/2002 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 9:35 am Subject: Re: Alien Seagull, again >Well, I was being poetic, but I should have said the >chronological appearance of Chris Franke's alien >seagull sound. I stand corrected. I think it actually has evolved a bit. The appearences in Dominion and Yellowstone Park are rather distinctive... Anyway, I like the idea. The next step could be exploring&catalogizing the appearences of the Monolight sequences, the Ricochet II themes, and other music bits appearing throughout the 75-77 live material... (Just a suggestion, if you have free time on your hands) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35036 Re: Alien Seagull, again Wade Gordon Sat 7/27/2002 3 KB 35083 Re: Alien Seagull, again Marko Marin Tue 7/30/2002 2 KB 35090 Re: Alien Seagull, again John Vertical Tue 7/30/2002 2 KB 35091 Re: Alien Seagull, again Wade Gordon Tue 7/30/2002 3 KB 35104 Re: Alien Seagull, again Marko Marin Thu 8/1/2002 2 KB 35092 Re: Alien Seagull, again John Vertical Tue 7/30/2002 2 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 10:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] A question about TT 1&2 covers From: 'omegatransfinito' > Apparently the standard in the Tangerine Tree is to name all > tracks on all post-80 volumes, but many of the 70s volumes have > simply 'Part 1', 'Part 2' etc. [snip] I tend to agree, some made up track names would be nice. The cover designers don't get to decide the track names though, that's Heikos domain. We're handed the tracks, times and credits, and then we design the graphics and stick those details on top. For the next Tree, how about members of the list submitting track titles? You don't need to have heard the track already, just come up with the most exciting names you can, then we can compile a list and Heiko can pick the best and assign them to the most appropriate tracks? John, would you be willing to accept the submissions and compile the list? Maff _______________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru www.mst3uk.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35025 Re: A question about TT 1&2 covers Rolf Elfström Sat 7/27/2002 2 KB 35029 Re: A question about TT 1&2 covers Gustavo Jobim Sat 7/27/2002 2 KB From: Rolf Elfström Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 10:53 am Subject: Re: A question about TT 1&2 covers >I tend to agree, some made up track names would be nice. The cover designers >don't get to decide the track names though, that's Heikos domain. We're >handed the tracks, times and credits, and then we design the graphics and >stick those details on top. I for one must say that I prefer the 'Part 1', 'Part 2' etc. -naming. I rather have those than pseudo-TD mockup names that in most cases are just plain silly... Rolf From: Paul Fellows Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 12:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Free sound editor on 27/07/02 11:04, omegatransfinito at johnvertical@h... wrote: > Does anyone know any free Mac AIFF music editors? I don't > really need anything more special than simple cut&paste, fading, > and perhaps (though not necessarily) pitch/speed adjustment > features. > > John Vertical > Sound Studio 2.0 Paul From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 8:54 pm Subject: Track titles on TT discs Just my objective view to both sides of this one...... It seems as though giving the live 1970's improvised pieces actual track names goes against the whole ethic and philosophy of TD's approch to live music in this era. As we all know, their live output at this time was a spontaneous reaction to how the three members felt at that precise moment on stage in that arena, at that exact time, representing how they felt as human beings, and presenting every thought and emotion as musical expression. Edgar would no doubt argue that to label such fluid expression is meaningless. I guess this is precisely the reason why most of TD's earlier live albums have titles like 'Ricochet Part One', 'Logos Part Two', etc. Even the variety of titles on 'Encore' don't even begin to explain the several movements explored through each 17-20 minute track. To back this up, I have a music press interview with Peter Baumann from sometime during the mid 70's, in which he explains that the band would prefer not to give names to any of the tracks they compose/record/perform either in the studio or on stage. He explains they would just prefer to call them '1976 piece 5, etc'. Having said that, solely from a fan point of view, it would be far easier to give everything titles, especially when trying to remind another fan of a certain live track. Instead of saying to them: 'you know that piece they played at Manchester 1976, the one with the metallic effects and deep strings at the start, then that flute melody comes in after 5 minutes.......', we could instead refer them to the 'fan-given' title. Also, I do believe that the title of a track often adds something to its feel. Go and listen to 'Ricochet' while pretending it's called 'Tangam'! Kind of alters your perception of it just a little. But I guess this is exactly the reason Edgar would prefer to work without titles: because naming something changes it minutely, and I'm sure they would prefer us to experience their music in the exact terms in which it was conceived. So, pro and cons in my mind. Does anyone else agree/disgree with all this...? - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Rolf Elfström To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 3:53 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: A question about TT 1&2 covers > > >I tend to agree, some made up track names would be nice. The cover designers > >don't get to decide the track names though, that's Heikos domain. We're > >handed the tracks, times and credits, and then we design the graphics and > >stick those details on top. > > I for one must say that I prefer the 'Part 1', 'Part 2' etc. -naming. > I rather have those than pseudo-TD mockup names that in most cases are > just plain silly... > > Rolf > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35033 Re: Track titles on TT discs Rolf Elfström Sat 7/27/2002 2 KB 35035 Anthology Paul Fellows Sat 7/27/2002 2 KB 35037 Re: Anthology Chris Owen Sat 7/27/2002 3 KB 35038 Re: Anthology Wade Gordon Sat 7/27/2002 3 KB 35054 Re: Anthology Paul Fellows Sun 7/28/2002 4 KB 35059 Re: Anthology Wade Gordon Sun 7/28/2002 4 KB 35039 Anthology Morgan Feldon Sat 7/27/2002 2 KB 35040 Re: Anthology John Vertical Sat 7/27/2002 3 KB 35044 Re: Anthology Chris Owen Sat 7/27/2002 4 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 2:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Free sound editor > > Does anyone know any free Mac AIFF music editors? I don't > > really need anything more special than simple cut&paste, fading, > > and perhaps (though not necessarily) pitch/speed adjustment > > features. > > > > John Vertical > > > >Sound Studio 2.0 > >Paul I rather need a freeware program, if there are any; I don't have that much things to that that I'd be willing to pay for the program. I only need the most basic features... Our CDR burning software already allows me to make excerpts, except that no fading out is possible. That's what I need, not much else. I know there was a program called Sound Editor, but it for some reason doesn't edit the System 9 sound format. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 3:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] A question about TT 1&2 covers Personally, I prefer them without names if they didn't have them before, but at the same time I think names help to identify a track, like Chris Owen said. Plus, they can be inspiring for the artwork, like the one I made for Paris Bataclan 81, inspired by the name 'Undulation' (I'm not sure if this one was invented or not). Still, my vote is for no invented names - just like we're not using old bootleg titles like 'Coefficient'. >> Apparently the standard in the Tangerine Tree is to name all >> tracks on all post-80 volumes, but many of the 70s volumes have >> simply 'Part 1', 'Part 2' etc. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 5:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] EM CDs Available You made it over the 1000th mark! Congrats to you! Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'vic rek' To: 'TD List' ; 'TD List (unmod)' Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 11:48 PM Subject: [tadream] EM CDs Available > Excuse me for the self promotion, but to celebrate my 1,000th visitor at > www.ricochetdream.com I have decided to sell certain CDs - mainly latest > releases and artists associated with the Ricochet Gathering. The lastest > Tangerine Dream CDs are there, along with DSOM IX, Klaus Schulze > Contemporary Works II (pre-order), and others. Check it out, and the prices > are good, especially for the fans living in the USA. > > Soon I'll be adding great artists like: AirSculpture, Free System Projekt, > Arcane and artists from Manikin. > > VicRek > www.ricochetdream.com > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 5:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Schulze You know you have too much gear when it takes you a week to set it up before you play for a few hours. dale's rule of thumb #5. Till then, put it on the stage. You know you have too much gear when it requires a small stadium to install all the equipment, then one city scale generator to power it. dale's rule of thumb #8. Till then, put it on the stage. ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Eric Williamson' To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 1:20 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Schulze > Administrator for kay-net.com wrote: > > Do you think he is going Spartan? I think, at least this works out for me, > > absolutely not. > > that sale of his equipment seems to me to be more of a cleaning-house sort > of sale than a spartanisation routine. nothing that he's selling has been > used on an album for awhile now. > > Mixer: replaced with Soundcraft Ghost > > Synths: all kind of non-essential. he's got like 3 more EIVs, 17 more > Quasimidi thingies, ANOTHER linntronics Memorymoog, and lots of other stuff. > those Quasars are _JUNK_. > > Pooters: old. been replaced. > > Monitors: probably replaced. > > software: upgraded. > > Klaus Schulze is one of those special electro musicians who totally forsake > multitimbrality in synthesisers for useability and sound reasons. he has > always and will continue to have more gear onstage than _anyone_ else. > > including me ... but i'm working on it. > > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 5:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] A question about TT 1&2 covers This too I noticed. I just thought that perhaps, once you got the disk, art work, one might just name them as they see fit. When it became to time to talk about them, they would have some relation back to the originals so we all know. The naming seemed to keep it in some type of organization to get them on CD. Your suggestions are good. I am not sure everyone would agree. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'omegatransfinito' To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 2:00 AM Subject: [tadream] A question about TT 1&2 covers > Apparently the standard in the Tangerine Tree is to name all > tracks on all post-80 volumes, but many of the 70s volumes have > simply 'Part 1', 'Part 2' etc. > Which is somewhat boring since they're not even Part n's of > something*. I mean, we have Rubycon Part 1, Tangram Set 2, > etc. but TT tracks are referred to by simply the date&venue. IMHO > 'Quichotte Part 2' sounds a whole lot better (as a name) than > 'Berlin Palast Der Republik 31.01.1980 Set 2 Part 2' > > I understand that not every of the several dozens (even > hundreds?) of T.Dream's improvised 70's concerts can get a > name; but since some of them already have names given by > some of us on this list: > > (And here comes my real request) > > Maff, Marko and Gustavo: would it be too big a job to change > some of the track titles into 'real' titles from plain Part 1-2-3s? > Here's a list of what I think has been named afterwards so far: > > TT vol1: > Track 1 = Scale Deluxe > Track 2 = Sorcerer Supreme > Track 3 = Indolent Annihilation > > TT vol2 = Concave Streams > > TT vol6: > Track 1 = Live Grove > Track 2 = Straits of Noon > Tracks 3&4 unnamed > > TT vol8 = Birth of a Black Hole > > Also, if anyone out there feels similarily about track names; > please contact me (johnvertical@h...), we could invent > a few further titles, too. > > John Vertical > > PS: And just what is this sudden Mantovani plague? I've seen > some vague hints, but no real explanations. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Rolf Elfström Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 5:37 pm Subject: Re: Track titles on TT discs >Having said that, solely from a fan point of view, it would be far easier to >give everything titles, especially when trying to remind another fan of a >certain live track. Instead of saying to them: 'you know that piece they >played at Manchester 1976, the one with the metallic effects and deep >strings at the start, then that flute melody comes in after 5 >minutes.......', we could instead refer them to the 'fan-given' title. What's wrong with refering to them as 'Tangerine Tree Vol. xx Track/Part xx'? Easy enough for me... ;) Rolf From: 'Steve' Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 6:12 pm Subject: Attn: Duncan Would Duncan, to whom I owe blanks for TT2, please contact me off list at steve@c... ? This morning my CPU died of heatstroke, and while I can access most data on its drives by putting them into another machine, accessing my mail isn't so easy, and that's the only place I have your snailmail address stored... Steve From: Paul Fellows Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 6:42 pm Subject: [tadream] Anthology Hi all Can anyone who has copy of 'Journey Through a Burning Brain' answer a question about track 11: 11. Dolphin Dance [As part of the track 'Livemiles II: Berlin Concert'] 9:20 This doesn't make sense of course, which album is this track taken from exactly? Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35037 Re: Anthology Chris Owen Sat 7/27/2002 3 KB 35038 Re: Anthology Wade Gordon Sat 7/27/2002 3 KB 35054 Re: Anthology Paul Fellows Sun 7/28/2002 4 KB 35059 Re: Anthology Wade Gordon Sun 7/28/2002 4 KB 35039 Anthology Morgan Feldon Sat 7/27/2002 2 KB 35040 Re: Anthology John Vertical Sat 7/27/2002 3 KB 35044 Re: Anthology Chris Owen Sat 7/27/2002 4 KB 35060 Re: Anthology Wade Gordon Sun 7/28/2002 4 KB 35062 Re: Anthology John Vertical Sun 7/28/2002 3 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Alien Seagull, again That's exactly the idea for the radio program, 'By George, I think he's got it.' Anyway, give it a listen at www.lougentile.com. It is now running 24/7 and the Vic Rek program is getting lots of e-mail at soundexplorer@a... Get with me privately and We'll flesh out a program. Wade --- John Vertical wrote: > >Well, I was being poetic, but I should have said > the > >chronological appearance of Chris Franke's alien > >seagull sound. I stand corrected. > > > I think it actually has evolved a bit. The > appearences in Dominion and > Yellowstone Park are rather distinctive... > > Anyway, I like the idea. > The next step could be exploring&catalogizing the > appearences of the > Monolight sequences, the Ricochet II themes, and > other music bits appearing > throughout the 75-77 live material... (Just a > suggestion, if you have free > time on your hands) > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 2:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthology Hi Paul, As we all know, Dolphin Dance is of course from Underwater Sunlight, but the anthology seems to be referring to the 10 minute or so section towards the end of of LiveMiles Part 2, which kind of loosely 'improvises' around some of the themes of Dolphin Dance. - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Fellows To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:42 AM Subject: [tadream] Anthology > Hi all > > Can anyone who has copy of 'Journey Through a Burning Brain' answer a > question about track 11: > > 11. Dolphin Dance [As part of the track 'Livemiles II: Berlin Concert'] > 9:20 > > This doesn't make sense of course, which album is this track taken from > exactly? > > Paul > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35038 Re: Anthology Wade Gordon Sat 7/27/2002 3 KB 35054 Re: Anthology Paul Fellows Sun 7/28/2002 4 KB 35059 Re: Anthology Wade Gordon Sun 7/28/2002 4 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 7:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthology What's the story on this new box set. In other words, is it worth the effort to get. Does it have any unreleased stuff on it? Is it like Tangents or i-box? Wade --- Chris Owen wrote: > Hi Paul, > > As we all know, Dolphin Dance is of course from > Underwater Sunlight, but the > anthology seems to be referring to the 10 minute or > so section towards the > end of of LiveMiles Part 2, which kind of loosely > 'improvises' around some > of the themes of Dolphin Dance. > > - Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Fellows > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:42 AM > Subject: [tadream] Anthology > > > > Hi all > > > > Can anyone who has copy of 'Journey Through a > Burning Brain' answer a > > question about track 11: > > > > 11. Dolphin Dance [As part of the track > 'Livemiles II: Berlin Concert'] > > 9:20 > > > > This doesn't make sense of course, which album is > this track taken from > > exactly? > > > > Paul > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35054 Re: Anthology Paul Fellows Sun 7/28/2002 4 KB 35059 Re: Anthology Wade Gordon Sun 7/28/2002 4 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 7:19 pm Subject: Anthology >What's the story on this new box set. In other words, >is it worth the effort to get. Does it have any >unreleased stuff on it? Is it like Tangents or i-box? > >Wade It is yet another compilation of nothing new, while hundreds of concert tapes languish in the archives. At least Tangents, Dream Roots, and I-Box each had 40-60 minutes of unreleased music on them (doctored to hell, granted). -Morgan From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 7:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthology > >What's the story on this new box set. In other words, > >is it worth the effort to get. Does it have any > >unreleased stuff on it? Is it like Tangents or i-box? > > > >Wade > >It is yet another compilation of nothing new, while hundreds of concert >tapes languish in the archives. > >At least Tangents, Dream Roots, and I-Box each had 40-60 minutes of >unreleased music on them (doctored to hell, granted). > >-Morgan I'd be happy to get even released stuff, if they were rare.. Doesn't Castle have the rights for Ultima Thule Part 2, Dolphin Smile and other such tracks? John Vertical np: Vanishing Blue (and I don't think it has been 'doctored to hell'. The bonus tracks on Tangents do too sound like they had gotten away with little, if any, adjustments.) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 7:37 pm Subject: Klaus in Holland Hi all, just to let everybody know who's waiting for comments to TT2 from me, or wants to set up trades in the near future: For the next 8 weeks, I'm working in Nijmegen Mon-Wed, with my other obligations this means that I will rarely be home and all trading activity will have to take a summer break. cheers, klaus From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 7:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] A question about TT 1&2 covers Looks like his subject raises many rather different opinions. What year was that Baumann interview from? I'm not sure if they anymore think similarly; we can probably be sure (?) about Edgar, judging by Soundmill Navigator. Yes, we _can_ distinguish tracks even if they have names. But my opinion still is that tracks are better with names - as long as they don't sound like they originated from a random title generator, like 'Marmosets Glowing In A Flowerpot' would. I mean, inventing a title doesn't exactly require the skills of Hemingway, and I guess it could be possible to think names that would go well with the existing TD track titles. Should we set a poll about this at Yahoo? At least Hamburg 78 (vol11) should get its titles. It's not a FFB era recording you seem to primarily be defending, right? >Personally, I prefer them without names if they didn't have them before, >but at the same time I think names help to identify a track, like Chris >Owen said. Plus, they can be inspiring for the artwork, like the one I made >for Paris Bataclan 81, inspired by the name 'Undulation' (I'm not sure if >this one was invented or not). Still, my vote is for no invented names - >just like we're not using old bootleg titles like 'Coefficient'. I think Undulation exactly is a bootleg title, just like Thermal Inversion, Dremscape, etc. What do you mean by 'invented'? Is a title less good if it's made up by a normal fan instead of a bootlegger? Oh, and I do too think that at least Royal Albert Hall should remain untitled. People seem to have strong feelings especially about that.. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35043 Re: A question about TT 1&2 covers Rolf Elfström Sat 7/27/2002 3 KB 35055 Re: A question about TT 1&2 covers thomas b Sun 7/28/2002 2 KB From: Rolf Elfström Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 8:16 pm Subject: Re: A question about TT 1&2 covers >Yes, we _can_ distinguish tracks even if they have names. But my opinion >still is that tracks are better with names - as long as they don't sound >like they originated from a random title generator, like 'Marmosets Glowing >In A Flowerpot' would. I mean, inventing a title doesn't exactly require the >skills of Hemingway, and I guess it could be possible to think names that >would go well with the existing TD track titles. Well, to me 'Marmosets Glowing In A Flowerpot' sound just as 'good' as any of the names you listed... :-) My point is that I usually don't want my mind pushed towards any 'images' or 'mindsets' because of a title, UNLESS the guy(s)/girl(s) who wrote the piece gave it a name in the first place. Surely, I can agree that you don't have to be a Hemingway to invent song-titles. Especially if you don't regard them as important in the first place. But to me a 'title' suggest the frame of mind I have when I listen to the music. Imagine 'Song of the whale' being called 'Rape of the flamingos' next time you listen to it and you might catch my drift. Hemingway, no, but it does takes something more than picking 'TD:ish' words and flipping grammar á la Yoda. And most importantly you need to know the intentions of the creator... Rolf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35055 Re: A question about TT 1&2 covers thomas b Sun 7/28/2002 2 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 4:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthology I don't think we'll ever get much unreleased stuff from Castle as it costs a hell of a lot more to get the rights to previously-unreleased music as it does to constantly churn out best-of CDs and (now they've bought a thesaurus) 'anthologies', and I don't think they're a big enough outfit to out-bid the likes of Virgin. They would appear to only have the rights to certain LPs. But with all these compilations, maybe they're trying to rasie enough funds to buy some unreleased stuff from Edgar! We live in hope... - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: John Vertical To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthology > > >What's the story on this new box set. In other words, > > >is it worth the effort to get. Does it have any > > >unreleased stuff on it? Is it like Tangents or i-box? > > > > > >Wade > > > >It is yet another compilation of nothing new, while hundreds of concert > >tapes languish in the archives. > > > >At least Tangents, Dream Roots, and I-Box each had 40-60 minutes of > >unreleased music on them (doctored to hell, granted). > > > >-Morgan > > > I'd be happy to get even released stuff, if they were rare.. Doesn't Castle > have the rights for Ultima Thule Part 2, Dolphin Smile and other such > tracks? > > John Vertical > np: Vanishing Blue (and I don't think it has been 'doctored to hell'. The > bonus tracks on Tangents do too sound like they had gotten away with little, > if any, adjustments.) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35060 Re: Anthology Wade Gordon Sun 7/28/2002 4 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 4:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] A question about TT 1&2 covers I'll try and dig out the Baumann interview for you John, and will post his exact comments here if I can find it amongst 700 TD cuttings! I'm going in..... - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: John Vertical To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] A question about TT 1&2 covers > Looks like his subject raises many rather different opinions. What year was > that Baumann interview from? I'm not sure if they anymore think similarly; > we can probably be sure (?) about Edgar, judging by Soundmill Navigator. > Yes, we _can_ distinguish tracks even if they have names. But my opinion > still is that tracks are better with names - as long as they don't sound > like they originated from a random title generator, like 'Marmosets Glowing > In A Flowerpot' would. I mean, inventing a title doesn't exactly require the > skills of Hemingway, and I guess it could be possible to think names that > would go well with the existing TD track titles. > > Should we set a poll about this at Yahoo? > > At least Hamburg 78 (vol11) should get its titles. It's not a FFB era > recording you seem to primarily be defending, right? > > > >Personally, I prefer them without names if they didn't have them before, > >but at the same time I think names help to identify a track, like Chris > >Owen said. Plus, they can be inspiring for the artwork, like the one I made > >for Paris Bataclan 81, inspired by the name 'Undulation' (I'm not sure if > >this one was invented or not). Still, my vote is for no invented names - > >just like we're not using old bootleg titles like 'Coefficient'. > > > I think Undulation exactly is a bootleg title, just like Thermal Inversion, > Dremscape, etc. What do you mean by 'invented'? Is a title less good if it's > made up by a normal fan instead of a bootlegger? > > Oh, and I do too think that at least Royal Albert Hall should remain > untitled. People seem to have strong feelings especially about that.. > > John Vertical > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 9:10 pm Subject: Castle >I don't think we'll ever get much unreleased stuff from Castle as it costs a >hell of a lot more to get the rights to previously-unreleased music as it >does to constantly churn out best-of CDs and (now they've bought a >thesaurus) 'anthologies', and I don't think they're a big enough outfit to >out-bid the likes of Virgin. They would appear to only have the rights to >certain LPs. But with all these compilations, maybe they're trying to rasie >enough funds to buy some unreleased stuff from Edgar! We live in hope... Out-bid? You think Virgin would try to win the rights to release a 1972 album (to which they don't own the rights, to my knowledge)? I don't think Virgin inherited the rights to TD's prior output (live or released), did they? Who does own this music from 1970-1973 and 1985-1991? I hear everyone say that Virgin has the rights to not only the released music, but also every live performance while TD was signed with Virgin. Does this same clause apply to Castle or whomever owns the rights to 1970-1973 and 1985-1991? Besides his own distaste for any TD music older than 10 years, what is stopping Edgar from releasing a 1986 or 1973 concert? -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35047 Re: Castle Admin Sat 7/27/2002 4 KB 35065 Re: Castle Chris Owen Sun 7/28/2002 3 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 9:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Castle ahh the loaded gun has been shown again... next will the the smoking gun, not necessary the same as the loaded and the gun with out bullets... not necessary related to either of the other three either... still it must be shown (asked) This problerly accounts for close to 12% of the list since day one? The WHY?? dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 2:10 PM Subject: [tadream] Castle > > >I don't think we'll ever get much unreleased stuff from Castle as it costs a > >hell of a lot more to get the rights to previously-unreleased music as it > >does to constantly churn out best-of CDs and (now they've bought a > >thesaurus) 'anthologies', and I don't think they're a big enough outfit to > >out-bid the likes of Virgin. They would appear to only have the rights to > >certain LPs. But with all these compilations, maybe they're trying to rasie > >enough funds to buy some unreleased stuff from Edgar! We live in hope... > > > Out-bid? > > You think Virgin would try to win the rights to release a 1972 album (to > which they don't own the rights, to my knowledge)? I don't think Virgin > inherited the rights to TD's prior output (live or released), did they? > > Who does own this music from 1970-1973 and 1985-1991? > > I hear everyone say that Virgin has the rights to not only the released > music, but also every live performance while TD was signed with Virgin. > Does this same clause apply to Castle or whomever owns the rights to > 1970-1973 and 1985-1991? > > Besides his own distaste for any TD music older than 10 years, what is > stopping Edgar from releasing a 1986 or 1973 concert? > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'vic rek' Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 10:11 pm Subject: Zeit (French Emit Mix) Even though this may be old news in some hardcore TD circles, I have to say that today I discovered the 'backwards' version of Zeit! I call it the 'Emit Mix' backward for 'Time' of course. I had a Zeit LP in my collection that I never played until today (since I just recently got a new needle). It is a French Virgin release from 1976 with the catalog number 940 108/109. I heard that this release may be special so I finally played it. First off, when I pulled out the LP some kind of press insert from 1975 with Michael Hoenig fell out! It is beautiful and in French. Check out the low-resolution scan at: http://www.ricochetdream.com/france75.jpg Anyway, I played the LP and the track times and music were different than the CD. Everything was backwards, reversed and upside-down (so it seemed). What a strange recording... Can anyone shed some light on this? I didn't do a thorough analysis if it truly is backwards, but it sure gives that impression. I even looked at the grooves of other Zeit LPs, and even the groove patterns are different. Wade, maybe you should play it on your Internet radio show? I'm sure this will be a first :-D Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35049 Re: Zeit (French Emit Mix) Thenite0wl@a... Sat 7/27/2002 2 KB 35052 Re: Zeit (French Emit Mix) Mark Filipak Sun 7/28/2002 3 KB 35053 Re: Zeit (French Emit Mix) Mark Filipak Sun 7/28/2002 2 KB 35058 Re: Zeit (French Emit Mix) vic rek Sun 7/28/2002 2 KB 35072 Re: Zeit (French Emit Mix) Marion Horrod Mon 7/29/2002 2 KB From: Thenite0wl@a... Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 10:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Zeit (French Emit Mix) Hi all, which reminds me that I puchased a 'Optical Race', (tape version), when that was first released , and that was in 'reverse mode' also....! Regards Paul From: 'Vincent Goudreault' Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 10:45 pm Subject: Re: Track titles on TT discs On the issue of giving names to the Tangerine Tree tracks, if one would want to keep the 'feeling' of the improvised piece, how about naming the tracks after the various major streets, avenues or landmarks of the city where the concert took place? Presumably, street names already make some reference to local landmarks or luminaries (heroes, artists, scientists) so this would establish a link between the improvised renditions and the venue where it was performed. Of course, the names don't have to be strict transposition of a street name, but variations thereof, to viz Walking on Champs Elises The taxis of Broaway 8 PM according to Big Ben Mozart slept here or things like that. I presume that people on this list who live or are particularly familiar with a city where a concert was held could come up with good suggestions. With enough suggestions to pick from, those who are doing the mastering could select a title that seems the most appropriate for the track they are working on. C.B.Vincent Goudreault From: Mark Filipak Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 6:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Track titles on TT discs Hi Chris! Hi All! Chris Owen wrote: > > So, pro and cons in my mind. Does anyone else agree/disgree with all > this...? When I remaster old shows I use classical-music-inspired pseudonames enclosed with angle brakets <> to indicate they are not real names. For example: Tangerine Tree - Volume 6 - Bilbao 1976 Disc 1 Part One 1 [14:42] 2 [1:57] 3 [1:15] 4 [2:48] 5 [2:29] 6 [2:34] 7 [5:32] 8 [8:15] 9 [4:35] Disc 2 Part Two 1 [2:29] 2 [10:08] 3 [2:01] 4 [6:32] 5 [9:09] 6 [12:27] Part Three 7 [16:00] Part Four 8 [8:45] The idea is to characterize the music without actually naming it. My biggest problem with invented names is that in the past, these names have caused a lot of confusion. If you don't that a particular boot ('Sea of Dreams' for example) then you don't have a clue what a 'named' segment refers to ('Thermal Inversion' from 'Sea of Dreams' for example). When Edgar later names the segment, as was the case for 'Thermal Inversion', the situation gets worse. That's my 2 cents, which will be 2 cents too much to some people. Ciao and Peace -- Mark From: Mark Filipak Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 7:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Zeit (French Emit Mix) Hi Vic! vic rek wrote: > > Even though this may be old news in some hardcore TD circles, I have > to say that today I discovered the 'backwards' version of Zeit! I call > it the 'Emit Mix' backward for 'Time' of course. > > [...] I played the LP and the track times and music were different > than the CD. Everything was backwards, reversed and upside-down > (so it seemed). What a strange recording... Can anyone shed some light > on this? I didn't do a thorough analysis if it truly is backwards, > but it sure gives that impression. I even looked at the grooves of > other Zeit LPs, and even the groove patterns are different. From what you write I assume that the mastering house threaded the wrong end of the mix tape so that the discs are entirely backwards, i.e., on disc 1, a backwards version of 'Nebulous Dawn' comes first followed by a backwards version of 'Birth of Liquid Plejades', and likewise for disc 2. Do I have it right? Also, what are the names of the tracks? Is the track listing on the artwork also 'backwards'? (I would assume not.) Thanks for posting this. -- Mark From: Mark Filipak Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 7:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Zeit (French Emit Mix) I asked: > [...] on disc 1, a backwards version of 'Nebulous Dawn' comes first > followed by a backwards version of 'Birth of Liquid Plejades' [...] > Do I have it right? Never mind. They are LPs, not CDs, so there's one track per side -- duh! Been a long time since I last played an LP. -- Mark From: Paul Fellows Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 10:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthology Well after careful study of tracks included on previous TD compilations such as 'The Best of TD', 'From Dawn 'til Dusk', 'Atmospherics', etc..., it seems that the following tracks have not appeared on a compilation before: 2. Fly And Collision Of Comas Sola 13:18 3. Cold Smoke 10:48 4. Origin Of Supernatural Probabilities 19:32 11. Dolphin Dance [As part of the track 'Livemiles II: Berlin Concert'] 9:20 15. 21st Century Common Man, Part One 4:49 16. Gaudi Park 5:17 21. Alchemy Of The Heart 12:17 I have not taken into account 'Book of Dreams' or 'Dream Roots' because they are all tangentised versions. It seems that 'Anthology' is all normal album versions. Paul on 27/07/02 21:12, Wade Gordon at mindvoyager1@y... wrote: > What's the story on this new box set. In other words, > is it worth the effort to get. Does it have any > unreleased stuff on it? Is it like Tangents or i-box? > > Wade > --- Chris Owen wrote: >> Hi Paul, >> >> As we all know, Dolphin Dance is of course from >> Underwater Sunlight, but the >> anthology seems to be referring to the 10 minute or >> so section towards the >> end of of LiveMiles Part 2, which kind of loosely >> 'improvises' around some >> of the themes of Dolphin Dance. >> >> - Chris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Paul Fellows >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:42 AM >> Subject: [tadream] Anthology >> >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> Can anyone who has copy of 'Journey Through a >> Burning Brain' answer a >>> question about track 11: >>> >>> 11. Dolphin Dance [As part of the track >> 'Livemiles II: Berlin Concert'] >>> 9:20 >>> >>> This doesn't make sense of course, which album is >> this track taken from >>> exactly? >>> >>> Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35059 Re: Anthology Wade Gordon Sun 7/28/2002 4 KB From: thomas b Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 3:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: A question about TT 1&2 covers If you buy a poster of a painting that doesn't have a name, do you invent a name to go with it?? Only the creators of the music have a right to name their tracks, it's as simple as that. I also think the un-titled music is easier to identify. How can it get clearer than: London 1975? There have been many questions in the past regarding what concert was played on which bootleg. This is a way of eliminating that problem. I would like to grab the opportunity and thank the people that created the Tangerine Trees. Both with music and covers you have done an outstanding job - tracks named or not. Thomas __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From: Dan Downey Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 3:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Schulze Perhaps he's going unplugged? Keep your eyes open for his MTV special! --- 'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote: > Do you think he is going Spartan? I think, at least > this works out for me, > one has to have a bit of both in the studio. The > trend towards virtual is > great but how about all those other trends in the > past? Seems a bit of both > worlds would be the solution. In my experience so > far with using both, the > virtual is great but tends to lead me astray. Using > actual hardware seems to > ensure the discipline needed to get the job done. > Mind set I am sure. > > Dale > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet > needs and Knowledge. > By the Way > Mark is Evil and his LFO is on Ramp > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'ampmusic' > To: > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 6:00 AM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Schulze > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 06:23:06 -0000 > > From: 'tangram80' > > > Subject: German Auction > > > > Hello everyone > > > > I just noticed the following auction: isn't it > awesome? > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=895392159 > > > > Rgds > > Jeffrey > > > > > > If you think about it, all he's doing is selling > the mixing desk/s, > > which studios regularly do when they want to > update, plus a couple of > > older keyboards and samplers, some Quasimidi > modules of which he has > > about 17 remaining, and some old PA and processing > gear. > > > > It probably indicates that like a lot of studios > he's going over to the > > use of virtual synths on a big computer - a much > more efficient way to > > work (not that I've done it myself - still around > 25 instruments listed > > on the 'Sequencer Loops' CD). > > > > Did a quick visit to Mike Oldfield's studio last > week. It's now much > > more sparse than it used to be, as he's going over > to virtual synths > > too. Full interview at > http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/emix.html in the > > next few days... > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.ambientissue.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 4:18 pm Subject: TT Naming What a controversial topic. I see a lot of people talking about preserving the integrity of the art and the artist. Well, it's tough when Edgar does not believe in preserving the integrity of the art himself. I don't think giving names to pre-1980 tracks really accomplishes much because every show was different. Some people are saying it's to help identify the track, but I think it will make it more confusing. But I am not going to stop anyone from doing so. Except for the 1977 shows, the typical show was 2 or 3 sets and some encores. So at worst, you have to refer to something as, say, 'the third set of Nov 22, 1976 Paris' or 'part 2 of 1976.01.24 Saarbrücken Universität'. Now, for 1977, there were recognizable themes, Cherokee Lane and Monolight. Also, there was another 1st set theme which recurred in various forms through 1977. I simply call this '1977 tour theme'. Most everything else in 77 was improvised from show to show although you could hear bits and pieces in common. But from 1980 on, we are stuck with a situation where there are several unreleased bits of music. Recently, some of these tracks have been named. Akash Deep, Longing For Cashba, etc. Then there are the nonsensical renamings of tracks which already had names, Edinburgh Castle (Sobornost), Cool breeze of Brighton (Vermillion Sands), Flock of Bluebirds (Tatort OST-Flock), Speed Dragon (Tatort OST-Speed), etc. And finally the bizarre editing jobs like Calymba Caly, which contains part of 3 distinct tracks. Then there is an aspect which is not based in logic. I simply love names like 'Thermal Inversion' and 'Finish Line' because they fit so perfectly to the music being played. I don't think it is arrogant for us to create titles as some have said. But let's look at the reason why. If it's to try to apply our own imagery to the music, well, I'd rather let the music be a personal thing to me. I'll draw my own conclusions. If it's for identification's sake, then I can understand in the case of 1980+ music. That's honestly why I use names like 'Thermal Inversion'. There is no easier way to identify that specific track among diehard TD collectors than to call it by that name. -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35063 Re: TT Naming John Vertical Sun 7/28/2002 5 KB 35068 Re: TT Naming Admin Mon 7/29/2002 2 KB 35073 Re: TT Naming colin anderson Mon 7/29/2002 3 KB 35074 Re: TT Naming Armin Theissen Mon 7/29/2002 4 KB 35075 Re: TT Naming John Vertical Mon 7/29/2002 2 KB 35076 Re: TT Naming Heiko Heerssen Mon 7/29/2002 3 KB 35105 Re: TT Naming Marko Marin Thu 8/1/2002 3 KB 35129 Re: TT Naming Administrator Thu 8/1/2002 4 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 5:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Zeit (French Emit Mix) It seems that the track order may be reversed too, that is, track 2 is played first, then track 1 from the LP. But I can't be sure, since it's sometimes difficult to match a drone when it's being played forward or backward. I'm sending out a coy to one of my French experts for analysis :-) > > [...] on disc 1, a backwards version of 'Nebulous Dawn' comes first > > followed by a backwards version of 'Birth of Liquid Plejades' [...] > > Do I have it right? > > Never mind. They are LPs, not CDs, so there's one track per side -- duh! > > Been a long time since I last played an LP. -- Mark > From: Wade Gordon Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 5:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthology Yippie!!!! --- Paul Fellows wrote: > Well after careful study of tracks included on > previous TD compilations such > as 'The Best of TD', 'From Dawn 'til Dusk', > 'Atmospherics', etc..., it seems > that the following tracks have not appeared on a > compilation before: > > 2. Fly And Collision Of Comas Sola 13:18 > 3. Cold Smoke 10:48 > 4. Origin Of Supernatural Probabilities 19:32 > 11. Dolphin Dance [As part of the track > 'Livemiles II: Berlin Concert'] > 9:20 > 15. 21st Century Common Man, Part One 4:49 > 16. Gaudi Park 5:17 > 21. Alchemy Of The Heart 12:17 > > I have not taken into account 'Book of Dreams' or > 'Dream Roots' because they > are all tangentised versions. It seems that > 'Anthology' is all normal album > versions. > > Paul > > on 27/07/02 21:12, Wade Gordon at > mindvoyager1@y... wrote: > > > What's the story on this new box set. In other > words, > > is it worth the effort to get. Does it have any > > unreleased stuff on it? Is it like Tangents or > i-box? > > > > Wade > > --- Chris Owen > wrote: > >> Hi Paul, > >> > >> As we all know, Dolphin Dance is of course from > >> Underwater Sunlight, but the > >> anthology seems to be referring to the 10 minute > or > >> so section towards the > >> end of of LiveMiles Part 2, which kind of loosely > >> 'improvises' around some > >> of the themes of Dolphin Dance. > >> > >> - Chris > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Paul Fellows > >> To: > >> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:42 AM > >> Subject: [tadream] Anthology > >> > >> > >>> Hi all > >>> > >>> Can anyone who has copy of 'Journey Through a > >> Burning Brain' answer a > >>> question about track 11: > >>> > >>> 11. Dolphin Dance [As part of the track > >> 'Livemiles II: Berlin Concert'] > >>> 9:20 > >>> > >>> This doesn't make sense of course, which album > is > >> this track taken from > >>> exactly? > >>> > >>> Paul > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From: Wade Gordon Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 5:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthology How would you compare it Tangents or i-box? Please say it is not reworked stuff. Wade --- Chris Owen wrote: > I don't think we'll ever get much unreleased stuff > from Castle as it costs a > hell of a lot more to get the rights to > previously-unreleased music as it > does to constantly churn out best-of CDs and (now > they've bought a > thesaurus) 'anthologies', and I don't think they're > a big enough outfit to > out-bid the likes of Virgin. They would appear to > only have the rights to > certain LPs. But with all these compilations, maybe > they're trying to rasie > enough funds to buy some unreleased stuff from > Edgar! We live in hope... > > - Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Vertical > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 12:28 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthology > > > > > >What's the story on this new box set. In other > words, > > > >is it worth the effort to get. Does it have any > > > >unreleased stuff on it? Is it like Tangents or > i-box? > > > > > > > >Wade > > > > > >It is yet another compilation of nothing new, > while hundreds of concert > > >tapes languish in the archives. > > > > > >At least Tangents, Dream Roots, and I-Box each > had 40-60 minutes of > > >unreleased music on them (doctored to hell, > granted). > > > > > >-Morgan > > > > > > I'd be happy to get even released stuff, if they > were rare.. Doesn't > Castle > > have the rights for Ultima Thule Part 2, Dolphin > Smile and other such > > tracks? > > > > John Vertical > > np: Vanishing Blue (and I don't think it has been > 'doctored to hell'. The > > bonus tracks on Tangents do too sound like they > had gotten away with > little, > > if any, adjustments.) > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 6:24 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] [sonambulistic imagery] 'release date' From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...] > 'Sonambulistic Imagery' > [1993] Blue Moon (TW?) BM-5/BM-6 (boot, KB sound: 9, brittle highs, > nice insert booklet) >Also, during the search for the best available source tapes >for the T.Tree project, quite a few individual recvordings received in-depth scrutiny and got re-rated. >Sonambulistic Imagery stands at an '8' now. Don't forget the freaking group of people near the microphone who talk through the entire concert! It's even more stressful to listen with headphones because THERE'S NO WAY TO SHUT THEM UP! Why did these people even bother going to the concert if they were going to gab through the whole thing? Is this a California thing? Does anyone know who recorded this show? Maybe he/she would know who those people were so someone could track them down and 'thank' them personally for ruining the whole experience! Can you tell I get a little emotional about this one? I almost biffed someone at the '88 Dallas show who wouldn't stop talking -- they were lucky my woman was there... - jim From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 6:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthology >Well after careful study of tracks included on previous TD compilations >such >as 'The Best of TD', 'From Dawn 'til Dusk', 'Atmospherics', etc..., it >seems >that the following tracks have not appeared on a compilation before: Well, even after several tries, _none_ of the several Pink/Blue years samplers (counting even non-Castle ones) has featured the 2nd movement of Tangent nor the 3rd one of Barbakane. Pretty well, eh? It could also be possible to put together a rather big Virgin years sampler of stuff that hasn't been on any sampler, even excluding soundtrack material; this includes -sections of Rubycon Part 2 -Ricochet Part 1 -3am etc. -the original Invisible Limits piano section -half of Cherokee Lane and Monolight -Coldwater Canyon -most of Desert Dream -Bent Cold Sidewalk and Rising Runner etc. -half of Madrigal Meridian -several parts of Force Majeure -Thru Metamorphic Rocks -all of Quichotte except the piano solo -Network 23 and Remote Viewing -several parts of Logos -and finally, most of Sphinx Lightning. This would probably make a nice sampler... Though I don't mean that it _should_ be made. John Vertical PS: Isn't it stupid that 'Journey through a burning brain' doesn't include the title track? _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TT Naming >I don't think giving names to pre-1980 tracks really accomplishes much >because every show was different. Some people are saying it's to help >identify the track, but I think it will make it more confusing. But I am >not going to stop anyone from doing so. Except for the 1977 shows, the >typical show was 2 or 3 sets and some encores. So at worst, you have to >refer to something as, say, 'the third set of Nov 22, 1976 Paris' or 'part >2 of 1976.01.24 Saarbrücken Universität'. > >Now, for 1977, there were recognizable themes, Cherokee Lane and Monolight. >Also, there was another 1st set theme which recurred in various forms >through 1977. I simply call this '1977 tour theme'. Most everything else in >77 was improvised from show to show although you could hear bits and pieces >in common. > >But from 1980 on, we are stuck with a situation where there are several >unreleased bits of music. Recently, some of these tracks have been named. >Akash Deep, Longing For Cashba, etc. Then there are the nonsensical >renamings of tracks which already had names, Edinburgh Castle (Sobornost), >Cool breeze of Brighton (Vermillion Sands), Flock of Bluebirds (Tatort >OST-Flock), Speed Dragon (Tatort OST-Speed), etc. And finally the bizarre >editing jobs like Calymba Caly, which contains part of 3 distinct tracks. > >Then there is an aspect which is not based in logic. I simply love names >like 'Thermal Inversion' and 'Finish Line' because they fit so perfectly to >the music being played. > >I don't think it is arrogant for us to create titles as some have said. But >let's look at the reason why. If it's to try to apply our own imagery to >the music, well, I'd rather let the music be a personal thing to me. I'll >draw my own conclusions. If it's for identification's sake, then I can >understand in the case of 1980+ music. That's honestly why I use names like >'Thermal Inversion'. There is no easier way to identify that specific track >among diehard TD collectors than to call it by that name. > >-Morgan Okay, since so many people seem to dislike the idea to name the 70s tracks, I won't stand against you. Of course, I might still think namer for them on my own, but I'll stick with the 'Part 1 Croydon 76' methond when discussing. What I think that should however still get named, are the 80s tracks. (and perhaps that 77 theme, too? Is it usually a separate track?) Your examples of Edgar's 'nonsencial' renamings do make sence to me. Edinburgh Castle sounds like it might refer to the TV program (after all, there's already 'Moorland'); Vermillion Sands was actually a name of Franke's solo remix of Cool Breeze of Brighton, (right?) so it could be simply copyright thingys; and Flock of Bluebirds and Speed Dragon aren't that much different from the original. And I don't really think that the Speed sequence clip at the beginning of Calymba Caly qualifies as a section. Well, if you need any track names for 80s (or even 90s?) material, you could contact me if there're no bootlegs or such to suggest anything. BTW, what bootleg is 'Finish line' from? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: quarlie@a... Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 7:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Free sound editor In a message dated 7/27/02 5:04:56 AM, johnvertical@h... writes: >Does anyone know any free Mac AIFF music editors? I don't >really need anything more special than simple cut&paste, fading, >and perhaps (though not necessarily) pitch/speed adjustment >features. Try SoundEffects 0.9.2; it has those features. http://www.riccisoft.com/soundeffects/ It's not actually free--it's $15 shareware--but you can use it before paying. --Daniel NP: Patrick O'Hearn - Between Two Worlds From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 4:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Castle > I hear everyone say that Virgin has the rights to not only the released > music, but also every live performance while TD was signed with Virgin. > Does this same clause apply to Castle or whomever owns the rights to > 1970-1973 and 1985-1991? I remember asking Jerome this exact question backstage during the Tournado tour. He explained that the rights to any live material (previously released or unreleased) played while under contract belongs to that record company. So unless TD have bought them back (which I'm presuming they might have done with Sohoman) Virgin would appear to own the rights to all unreleased live TD music between 1974 and 1984. By that rationale, maybe Jive Electro (or their parent company) still hold the 1985-1987 rights (including the UK and USA tours of 86), Private Music those of the late 80's, etc. I recall reading a few years ago that TD were trying to regain as many rights as they could to old live material. Most of the good stuff was property of Virgin, so maybe Sohoman was the first result of this. I guess the whole thing is a legal minefield. After all, Tournado and Valentine Wheels both contain music from all sorts of eras! No wonder TD need laywers. - Chris From: 'vic rek' Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 9:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] [sonambulistic imagery] 'release date' > headphones because THERE'S NO WAY TO SHUT THEM UP! Why did these people > even bother going to the concert if they were going to gab through the > whole thing? Is this a California thing? Does anyone know who recorded > this show? Maybe he/she would know who those people were so someone > could track them down and 'thank' them personally for ruining the whole > experience! Hey Jim, I have to agree about the talking. Unfortunately this is not just a California thing. I was at the last Roger Waters concert in Tampa Florida (with a few TD fans from this list) and two guys behind me would not shut up either. I asked them twice (politely) to shut up, then I had to use a few four letter words and they still wouldn't shut up (they said 'Dude, you need to relax'). They thought it was perfectly fine to talk through the entire 'Pigs on the Wing' and 'Dogs' tracks (well, the entire concert). Well, that's what happens when you take too many drugs or are just plain stupid and ignorant. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35067 Re: [sonambulistic imagery] 'release date' Jim Moore Sun 7/28/2002 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 11:21 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] [sonambulistic imagery] 'release date' > I was at the last Roger Waters concert in Tampa Florida (with a few TD fans from this list) and two guys behind me would not shut up either. I asked them twice (politely) to shut up, then I had to use a few four letter words and they still wouldn't shut up (they said 'Dude, you need to relax'). They thought it was perfectly fine to talk through the entire 'Pigs on the Wing' and 'Dogs' tracks (well, the entire concert). Well, Animals is one of my least favorite Pink Floyd albums, so I'd cut them some slack on those songs. But anyone who yaks during 'One of These Days' next to me may lose consciousness (extra pain for using the word 'dude')... - jim From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 3:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TT Naming '''''''Well, it's tough when Edgar does not believe in preserving the integrity of the art himself.''''''' A art for art itself approach? or Art for the moment? dale From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 6:11 am Subject: what's wrong with...track titles >What's wrong with refering to them as 'Tangerine Tree Vol. xx Track/Part >xx'? nothing but for me, I guess, superficially, that the place and time is more important. I certainly don't want to memorize the volume number--poland 2001 or warsaw 2001 works well--the month and day may help, too. Not TT2 volume 15 disc 3 of 3 track 4 or is that volume 15+1 (aka 16) since, for example, warsaw has two volume numbers.... of course, I could just defer to a certain global communication album (76:14) where the track lengths are the titles.....which is even more confusing than movement 1, 2, 3, infinity. --T _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 6:14 am Subject: Naming >John Vertical asked: > >BTW, what bootleg is 'Finish line' from? Any 1988 show plus the Werner-Seelenbinder 1990 show. Track #8806 here: http://www.zebbyworld.demon.co.uk/Frames/Frameset2.html From: Marion Horrod Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 9:16 am Subject: TTree Track names (was Re: A question about TT 1&2 covers) I agree with Rolf - if TD didn't name the track, I prefer to keep it unnamed. There's a risk of intrducing (spurious or otherwise) connections between tracks by giving them names that sound similar, or have obscure links between them. I just label them TTree 1:2 (i.e. Tangerine Tree Vol.1 Track 2). That's enough for any other tree-er to understand what I'm talking about without having to go into details of venue and date. Just my 2p worth. LnH Marion From: Marion Horrod Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 9:30 am Subject: Re: Zeit (French Emit Mix) Paul <> Yes, my 'Miracle Mile' (which I think somebody acquired at Ricochet 2001) was like that too. LnH Marion From: 'colin anderson' Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 10:53 am Subject: Re: TT Naming From: Morgan Feldon What a controversial topic...... I don't think it is arrogant for us to create titles as some have said. But let's look at the reason why. >>> Well said. It'd be a nice idea, but there are limitations to it: 1. If we'd to try and replicate Edgar's or the band's thought processes behind naming tracks - e.g 'Drunken Mozart in the Desert' and 'It Would Be Like Samoa' (I mean - come on - what the.....?) for starters, we'd end-up with even more conceptual nonsense that means and adds nothing to the music. If we decide to do it, we need to keep the titles relevant, snappy, memorable and a bit credible. 2. It'd also be unnecessarily complicating the distribution of the current and forthcoming T Tree projects. Let's get the fundamentals of these sorted and settled first and then develop the optional and wish-list stuff. Of course, if someone would like to enlighten me with the point and relevance of 'It Would Be Like Samoa', then I'm ready to learn something new today.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Armin Theissen Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 12:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TT Naming colin anderson wrote: > 1. If we'd to try and replicate Edgar's or the band's thought > processes behind naming tracks - e.g 'Drunken Mozart in the > Desert' I read about this title somewhere - maybe it was in the notes to 'Beyond the Storm' - that Edgar had a walk in the Mojave Desert listening to Mozart. That created some weird atmosphere that he had the inspiration to that track and title. and 'It Would Be Like Samoa' What is wrong with that title? Maybe it is my bad command of the english language, but to me it sounds like some longing for something samoan... Please correct me if I'm wrong. >(I mean - come on - what > the.....?) for starters, we'd end-up with even more conceptual > nonsense that means and adds nothing to the music. If we decide to > do it, we need to keep the titles relevant, snappy, memorable and a > bit credible. > > 2. It'd also be unnecessarily complicating the distribution of the > current and forthcoming T Tree projects. Let's get the fundamentals > of these sorted and settled first and then develop the optional > and wish-list stuff. > > Of course, if someone would like to enlighten me with the point and > relevance of 'It Would Be Like Samoa', then I'm ready to learn > something new today.... > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To > unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 1:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TT Naming I realized there's still one vital comment missing: what does Heiko think about this? It's his project we're applying or not appying these titles to... Heiko, you haven't left a 'I'm-on-vacation' post, so could you please stand up and tell what should be done? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 1:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TT Naming > I realized there's still one vital comment missing: what does Heiko think > about this? It's his project we're applying or not appying these titles > to... Heiko, you haven't left a 'I'm-on-vacation' post, so could you please > stand up and tell what should be done? Well what do I think of this... we already had some major (off-list) controversy about how to make a correct track indexing of some of the TT#2 concerts, and I don't want to go through this again since it was extremly nerveracking for some of us. Regarding the naming of certain TT recordings it is not possible for me to come up with a solution that pleases everybody because there is no such definite solution. I decided not to use track names for all TD concerts up to 1980 (the only exception was the Washington 1977 concert since it already had two tracks which were known before), and to use or/and invent track names for every concert from 1980 onwards (the European tour which started in November) I will give a more detailed statement (if necessary) tomorrow because I'll have to switch off my office PC, otherwise I will miss the train!! :-) bye Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35105 Re: TT Naming Marko Marin Thu 8/1/2002 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 5:19 pm Subject: Last Call for TT2 database entries! OK folks, I will do the final update of the TT2 database tonight, using the e-mails I've received from all of you. Here is the current version. I've made it a pdf document so that everybody can read it, even if you cannot get into yahoogroups: http://www.tadream.net/tree/tt2/072902.pdf If you have any branch/descendant arrangements that we don't know about, you should tell us NOW by e-mailing tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com with the pertinent information and we'll make sure it is recorded. If you've added info to the database at yahoogroups directly, that's fine too. Thanks! Joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35079 Re: Last Call for TT2 database entries! Marcelo Gutierrez Tue 7/30/2002 3 KB 35080 Re: Last Call for TT2 database entries! Marcelo Gutierrez Tue 7/30/2002 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 11:14 pm Subject: Okefenokee 2002 video Hi folks, It's with great disappointment that I write this. I have just purchased some video capture hardware and started to take a look at the video I shot at Okefenokee. I was rolling tape on 2 cameras, an older Hi8 camera and a new DV camera. The lighting conditions (4 bulbs on a ceiling fan) were extremely challenging to the cameras. I knew going into this that it was a privilege to videotape the event and that it would be extremely rude for me to ask for changes in the lighting. I am very happy that I was able to record something. When I was shooting, I had hoped that the two cameras would do ok. I am capturing the DV into my computer without losing any quality, while the Hi8 material is converted from analog to digital with the new hardware. While the DV camera's picture is watchable, the footage from the Hi8 has an incredible amount of noise. This noise does not compress well at all. Normally, 1500-2000kbps quality can deal with most videos I throw at it. The DV cam requires 3000kbps to handle the extra noise of the evening shots. But the Hi8 cam picture is very blurry even at 6000kbps. The raw DV footage: http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2002/videoDV.jpg The raw Hi8 footage: http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2002/videohi8a.jpg The compressed Hi8 footage: http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2002/videohi8b.jpg I'm sure people would be happy to have any kind of video of the event even at the quality shown, but I am now tempted to skip the DVD format in lieu of SVCD or VCD, since the picture quality is so low. DVD mastering will require me to find someone who has a DVD recorder and prepare all the materials, menus, etc. for DVD authoring. If there is still a lot of encouragement for this to appear on DVD, the compression issues may also limit the amount of footage which can fit on the disc. I had initially hoped to produce a 90-120 minute movie. I may have to scale this back to 60-70 minutes on a single DVD. Opinions? -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35084 Re: Okefenokee 2002 video richter_arne Tue 7/30/2002 3 KB From: 'Marcelo Gutierrez' Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 12:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Last Call for TT2 database entries! Hi Joe: Is it too late to join the tree? due to a death in the family I have been away from the list for a short while and I missed signing up for TT2. If it is still time I can make up to 5 copies if necessary. Thanks Marcelo Gutierrez 571 Emerson St. Uniondale NY 11553 USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Shoults To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 1:19 PM Subject: [tadream] Last Call for TT2 database entries! > OK folks, > > I will do the final update of the TT2 database tonight, using the e-mails > I've received from all of you. Here is the current version. I've made it a > pdf document so that everybody can read it, even if you cannot get into > yahoogroups: > http://www.tadream.net/tree/tt2/072902.pdf > > If you have any branch/descendant arrangements that we don't know about, you > should tell us NOW by e-mailing tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com with the > pertinent information and we'll make sure it is recorded. If you've added > info to the database at yahoogroups directly, that's fine too. > > Thanks! > > Joe > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com From: 'Marcelo Gutierrez' Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 12:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Last Call for TT2 database entries! Sorry! That was meant for Joe .. That dammed reply button strikes again. Marcelo ----- Original Message ----- From: Marcelo Gutierrez To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Last Call for TT2 database entries! > Hi Joe: > > Is it too late to join the tree? due to a death in the family I have been > away from the list for a short while and I missed signing up for TT2. > If it is still time I can make up to 5 copies if necessary. > > Thanks > ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 12:44 am Subject: Tangerine Tree 2 Alright! The wheels are turning on Tangerine Tree 2 distribution. We have SHNs (packaged/safeguarded CDs [no pops or clicks!]) and redbook (normal audio CD) originals in the US and Europe ready to duplicate. This time we're talking 14 discs a set for redbook and 8 discs a set for SHN. So if you are signing up as a branch for 3 sets of redbook, that means you've got to burn 42 CDs and get em in the mail in a week or two. 5 sets is a whopping 70 discs. On a 4x CD burner, that's 20 hours of burning CDs. Not to mention artwork if you're printing it for your leaves. I'm not trying to stress anyone out, I just know that a lot of people work 10 hour days plus family, kids, etc. and really want to help out on the Tree, but get buried in the procedure. Also, I'm going to set up a website for SHN duplication help (a bit more concise than Mark's 'concise' 50 page opus on music CD duplication :)) -Morgan From: 'Admin' Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 2:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 and so it begins ----Kash ... Vorlon ---- ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 5:44 PM Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 > Alright! The wheels are turning on Tangerine Tree 2 distribution. > > We have SHNs (packaged/safeguarded CDs [no pops or clicks!]) and redbook > (normal audio CD) originals in the US and Europe ready to duplicate. > > This time we're talking 14 discs a set for redbook and 8 discs a set for > SHN. So if you are signing up as a branch for 3 sets of redbook, that means > you've got to burn 42 CDs and get em in the mail in a week or two. 5 sets > is a whopping 70 discs. On a 4x CD burner, that's 20 hours of burning CDs. > Not to mention artwork if you're printing it for your leaves. > > I'm not trying to stress anyone out, I just know that a lot of people work > 10 hour days plus family, kids, etc. and really want to help out on the > Tree, but get buried in the procedure. > > Also, I'm going to set up a website for SHN duplication help (a bit more > concise than Mark's 'concise' 50 page opus on music CD duplication :)) > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Marko Marin Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 7:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Alien Seagull, again --- John Vertical wrote: > I think it actually has evolved a bit. The > appearences in Dominion and > Yellowstone Park are rather distinctive... Yeah, in B5:Vol2 it seems more like a sampled, crystal clear guitar, altough it's still the same sound. And I still think it sound more like an eagle! Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From: 'richter_arne' Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 8:44 am Subject: Re: Okefenokee 2002 video --- In tadream@y..., Morgan Feldon wrote: > While the DV camera's picture is watchable, the footage from the Hi8 has an > incredible amount of noise. Yes, that is normal. It is similar to recording an analog audio tape at low volume - tape hiss increases. This noise does not compress well at all. > Normally, 1500-2000kbps quality can deal with most videos I throw at it. > The DV cam requires 3000kbps to handle the extra noise of the evening > shots. But the Hi8 cam picture is very blurry even at 6000kbps. I don't know what SW you use, but you can get rid of the noise almost completely and without affecting the picture quality(!) by using Virtual Dub (Freeware) and the 'Temporal Cleaner' plugin (Freeware Filter). This filter will compare the individual images one by one and even out the differences between them. As noise is random data, it is very easy to isolate from the 'static' data which is the images you really want to see and which are more or less identical in each frame. The result is much better than any noise reduction you would use on a still image, where there is no information on what part of the data is noise and what is image. And you will see that the output will compress much better than before. You can run this filter both on your DV and on your Hi-8 material. > The raw DV footage: > http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2002/videoDV.jpg > > The raw Hi8 footage: > http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2002/videohi8a.jpg > > The compressed Hi8 footage: > http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2002/videohi8b.jpg Yes, very typical for low-light filming. And in my experience, you can dramatically improve the result with the Temporal Cleaner both in quality and in compressability. Arne From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 9:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 Geez, are you saying that you just *start* distributing TDTree II? Lucky those who are branches/leaves under the one and only Conrad Gibbons from Ireland! I have my TDTree II CDs since last week! I love it, in particular Newcastle. cheers armin Morgan Feldon wrote: > Alright! The wheels are turning on Tangerine Tree 2 distribution. > > We have SHNs (packaged/safeguarded CDs [no pops or clicks!]) and redbook > (normal audio CD) originals in the US and Europe ready to duplicate. > > This time we're talking 14 discs a set for redbook and 8 discs a set for > SHN. So if you are signing up as a branch for 3 sets of redbook, that means > you've got to burn 42 CDs and get em in the mail in a week or two. 5 sets > is a whopping 70 discs. On a 4x CD burner, that's 20 hours of burning CDs. > Not to mention artwork if you're printing it for your leaves. > > I'm not trying to stress anyone out, I just know that a lot of people work > 10 hour days plus family, kids, etc. and really want to help out on the > Tree, but get buried in the procedure. > > Also, I'm going to set up a website for SHN duplication help (a bit more > concise than Mark's 'concise' 50 page opus on music CD duplication :)) > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 9:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 > Geez, are you saying that you just *start* distributing > TDTree II? Lucky those who are branches/leaves under the > one and only Conrad Gibbons from Ireland! I have my TDTree II > CDs since last week! Still I think that the distribution will get along much faster than it was/is for TT#1. What Morgan referred to was the distribution in the United States, and since the 'tree' has its roots in Europe it usually takes a bit longer before it crosses the Atlantic. What may cause some delay is the number of CDRs each branch has to copy for his/her descendants (14 'redbook' and 8 'shn' discs), but I hope this won't be too much trouble. > I love it, in particular Newcastle. Yes, Newcastle 81 is great (especially the first disc). It's difficult for me to come up with any favourites, I love them all :-B Heiko From: 'heineu' Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 9:43 am Subject: Nideggen Hello Guys, Who comes everything to the Tangerine dream Concert at Burg Nideggen? I have Tickets for boths shows. see us in Burg Nideggen!!!! Regards heiko - Mr. Optical http://www.opticaldream.de From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 9:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Nideggen ...and visit my near-by home village Hoefen (or at least Monschau). Also with a nice castle which hosts oper events! Unfortunately not TD this time. Would invite you all, but I'll happen to be in Bulgaria that time. a. heineu wrote: > Hello Guys, > > Who comes everything to the Tangerine dream Concert at Burg Nideggen? > > I have Tickets for boths shows. > see us in Burg Nideggen!!!! > > Regards > heiko - Mr. Optical > http://www.opticaldream.de > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 12:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 >Geez, are you saying that you just *start* distributing >TDTree II? Lucky those who are branches/leaves under the >one and only Conrad Gibbons from Ireland! I have my TDTree II >CDs since last week! It's nice to be on a subtree, isn't it? I think I was the first leaf to receive the TT1 disks - Timo Astala, trunk of the Finland sub-tree, works reasonably near me so I simply went to pick them up. No mailing hassle or delay... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 1:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Alien Seagull, again >Yeah, in B5:Vol2 it seems more like a sampled, crystal >clear guitar, altough it's still the same sound. And I >still think it sound more like an eagle! I also lately got my hands on Pop'd Orange Festival, and that one sounds different as well. Well, it actually could be an eagle, too, but aren't seagulls a whole lot more common than eagles? Not many people know what eagles say, but about everyone within 100 kilometers from a lake or a sea knows what kind of noise seagulls make. John Vertical np: The Cliffs of Sydney (which definetly has seagulls, not eagles ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35091 Re: Alien Seagull, again Wade Gordon Tue 7/30/2002 3 KB 35104 Re: Alien Seagull, again Marko Marin Thu 8/1/2002 2 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 2:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Alien Seagull, again John, Did you hear 'Sound Explorer' yet? It is on www.lougentile.com. Wade --- John Vertical wrote: > >Yeah, in B5:Vol2 it seems more like a sampled, > crystal > >clear guitar, altough it's still the same sound. > And I > >still think it sound more like an eagle! > > > I also lately got my hands on Pop'd Orange Festival, > and that one sounds > different as well. > > Well, it actually could be an eagle, too, but aren't > seagulls a whole lot > more common than eagles? Not many people know what > eagles say, but about > everyone within 100 kilometers from a lake or a sea > knows what kind of noise > seagulls make. > > John Vertical > > np: The Cliffs of Sydney (which definetly has > seagulls, not eagles ;-) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 3:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Alien Seagull, again >John, > >Did you hear 'Sound Explorer' yet? It is on >www.lougentile.com. Nope. Our HD crashed a while ago and now reinstalling RealPlayer doesn't work... I'll tell when I succeed to listen to it. But anyway, that comment of mine was moreso to make a similar permanent database as perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/concertdates.html and www.zebbyworld.demon.co.uk/Frames/Frameset2.html are. A radio program of the same subject sounds OK, but archiving such database in a simple readable format sounds easier. This is not a disposable thingy, but something people would like to refer to, double-check, etc. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: 'Admin' Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 7:07 pm Subject: Mike Oldfield coming up Cross post from EM list... You can scream at me later... I hope you don't mind me posting this message to you, but I thought that some of you might like to know that Mike Oldfield will be taking part in a live webchat tomorrow afternoon (Wednesday 31st July). Mike is currently scheduled to appear on the Johnny Walker show on Radio 2 at about 6.15pm, but prior to going on the radio, he will be chatting with the users of the Johnny Walker Show Chatroom for about half an hour. If you'd like join in, then all you need to do is to pop along to www.bbc.co.uk/communicate and click on the 'Johnny Walker Show' link in the top right-hand corner of the screen. Hope you enjoy the chat! Paul BBCi Chatrooms Team e-mail: communicate@b... From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 8:14 pm Subject: Off-topic Vip, my brother superman Hi all I am searching for a cartoon/animation called 'Vip, my brother superman', an italien animation, by Bruno Bozzetto. I have not been able to locate it anywhere. So maybe one of you know this one and hopefully are able to get hold of it somewhere...............as I am living in Europe, I need this on VHS (pal), DVD or mpg/avi/divx............ Can anyone help?????????..............(off-list) Regards Jan From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 11:05 pm Subject: Montreal 1977 - which flavour? So which version of Montreal 77 do you have? Inquiring minds want to know... http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55 -Morgan From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Jul 31, 2002 10:23 am Subject: TD 'superfan' in German Musik Express (July issue) Hi! If you live in Europe and you can access to the magazine 'Musik Express' - just pick up the issue July (the one with the ugly yellow PUNK cover) and open page 14. More about this interview and the story will come on my homepage and (if I find the time) translated here. Bye. Rainer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35097 Re: TD 'superfan' in German Musik Express (July i Heiko Heerssen Wed 7/31/2002 2 KB 35098 Re: TD 'superfan' in German Musik Express (July i Rainer Rutka Wed 7/31/2002 3 KB 35103 Re: TD 'superfan' in German Musik Express (July i convention24 Wed 7/31/2002 2 KB 35101 Re: TD 'superfan' in German Musik Express (July i Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 7/31/2002 4 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Jul 31, 2002 11:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD 'superfan' in German Musik Express (July issue) > > > If you live in Europe and you can access to the magazine > 'Musik Express' - just pick up the issue July (the one > with the ugly yellow PUNK cover) and open page 14. an article about a 'TD superfan' in the most popular German music magazine...do we have to call you 'Sir Rainer' from now on? ;-) btw, it's the August issue, not July! Heiko n.p.: Captain Beefheart: Safe as milk cd Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35098 Re: TD 'superfan' in German Musik Express (July i Rainer Rutka Wed 7/31/2002 3 KB 35103 Re: TD 'superfan' in German Musik Express (July i convention24 Wed 7/31/2002 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Jul 31, 2002 11:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD 'superfan' in German Musik Express (July issue) On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Heiko Heerssen wrote: >> If you live in Europe and you can access to the magazine >> 'Musik Express' - just pick up the issue July (the one >> with the ugly yellow PUNK cover) and open page 14. > an article about a 'TD superfan' in the most popular German music > magazine...do we have to call you 'Sir Rainer' from now on? ;-) > btw, it's the August issue, not July! UPS: my fault. Sorry. NONO, I am just a normal freak. BTW: I am not completely satisfied about the contents of this article. More will come.... > n.p.: Captain Beefheart: Safe as milk cd Hey! He can`t sing. And his music is hmmmm... strange! Maybe he`s genious but I prefer Tom Waits. But this is another story. Rainer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rainer Rutka E -Mail : rainer@k... Griesseggstrasse 27 D Handy : +49 (0)175 / 52 50 402 Telefon : +49 (0)7531 29842 D-78462 Konstanz - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Wade Gordon Date: Wed Jul 31, 2002 1:54 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream live on 'Sound Explorer.' Breaking News! Tangerine Dream Live and in person (on the telephone) from Germany on 'Sound Explorer.' See www.lougentile.com for more details. Wade __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From: Date: Wed Jul 31, 2002 2:04 pm Subject: item on auction Hello Guys, I have following item on auction (ebay.com): Tangerine Dream - rare Promo 7' - Radio Hits http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=896612122&rd=1 Regards Heiko - Mr. Optical http://www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35102 Re: item on auction Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 7/31/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Jul 31, 2002 4:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD 'superfan' in German Musik Express (July issue) Since you mentioned Captain Beefheart, one of his original guitarist is a close friend I see several times a month. If you want to get some of the inside tracks on the band, I can give you his email. He is rather a interesting fellow. His day job is engineer for TBN on the Mountain top repeaters. He is going to play with my wife with one of her bands at our local fair next month. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Rainer Rutka' To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:41 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] TD 'superfan' in German Musik Express (July issue) > On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > >> If you live in Europe and you can access to the magazine > >> 'Musik Express' - just pick up the issue July (the one > >> with the ugly yellow PUNK cover) and open page 14. > > an article about a 'TD superfan' in the most popular German music > > magazine...do we have to call you 'Sir Rainer' from now on? ;-) > > btw, it's the August issue, not July! > > UPS: my fault. Sorry. > > NONO, I am just a normal freak. > > BTW: I am not completely satisfied about the contents of this > article. More will come.... > > > n.p.: Captain Beefheart: Safe as milk cd > Hey! He can`t sing. And his music is hmmmm... strange! Maybe he`s > genious but I prefer Tom Waits. But this is another story. > > Rainer > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Rainer Rutka E -Mail : rainer@k... > Griesseggstrasse 27 D > Handy : +49 (0)175 / 52 50 402 > Telefon : +49 (0)7531 29842 > D-78462 Konstanz > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > www.rutka.de/td > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Jul 31, 2002 5:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] item on auction looks interesting dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 7:04 AM Subject: [tadream] item on auction > Hello Guys, > > I have following item on auction (ebay.com): > > Tangerine Dream - rare Promo 7' - Radio Hits > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=896612122&rd=1 > > Regards > Heiko - Mr. Optical > http://www.opticaldream.de > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'convention24' Date: Wed Jul 31, 2002 5:29 pm Subject: Re: TD 'superfan' in German Musik Express (July issue) --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > > > > > If you live in Europe and you can access to the magazine > > 'Musik Express' - just pick up the issue July (the one > > with the ugly yellow PUNK cover) and open page 14. > > an article about a 'TD superfan' in the most popular German music > magazine...do we have to call you 'Sir Rainer' from now on? ;-) > btw, it's the August issue, not July! > > > Heiko > n.p.: Captain Beefheart: Safe as milk cd Hello Heiko I bought the Mercurial Captain Beefhearts(safe as milk) re-master last saturday,the Classic Electricity,and the wonderful Autumns child and of coarse Zig Zag Wanderer,the great thing about this pressing is the Seven extra tracks not on the album,do i love this Genius? Sure n nuff n yes i do.God Bless Don Van Vliet. NP Big Eyed Beans From Venus. From: Marko Marin Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 10:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Alien Seagull, again --- John Vertical wrote: > Well, it actually could be an eagle, too, but aren't > seagulls a whole lot > more common than eagles? Not many people know what > eagles say, but about > everyone within 100 kilometers from a lake or a sea > knows what kind of noise > seagulls make. So? Everyone has seen at least one nature show where they tell us about eagles... > John Vertical > > np: The Cliffs of Sydney (which definetly has > seagulls, not eagles ;-) Even if there is a REAL samples of seagulls, it doesn't mean that 'The Sound' is supposed to be a seagull. I don't believe it until you can show me an interview where Chris has said that it's a seagull! Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From: Marko Marin Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 10:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TT Naming Well I'm against the naming of the tracks. It's perfect how it is. So... over my dead, beaten, mutilated, burned, violated, cutted and bloody body. Hmmm... that isn't so nice image... Well, at least from my point of view... ;-) Regards, Marko Marin --- Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > I realized there's still one vital comment > missing: what does Heiko think > > about this? It's his project we're applying or not > appying these titles > > to... Heiko, you haven't left a 'I'm-on-vacation' > post, so could you please > > stand up and tell what should be done? > > Well what do I think of this... we already had some > major (off-list) > controversy about how to make a correct track > indexing of some of the TT#2 > concerts, and I don't want to go through this again > since it was extremly > nerveracking for some of us. > Regarding the naming of certain TT recordings it is > not possible for me to come > up with a solution that pleases everybody because > there is no such definite > solution. I decided not to use track names for all > TD concerts up to 1980 (the > only exception was the Washington 1977 concert since > it already had two tracks > which were known before), and to use or/and invent > track names for every > concert from 1980 onwards (the European tour which > started in November) > I will give a more detailed statement (if necessary) > tomorrow because I'll have > to switch off my office PC, otherwise I will miss > the train!! :-) > > bye > Heiko ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From: 'Pete Dandy' Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 7:34 pm Subject: Evolution of the Tangs Hi all Messages seem to be coming through at last, thought I was doing something wrong . I would like peoples opinion on the Tangs evolution over the past 30+ years .I must admit to enjoying the first two decades more than latter releases .I think they simply aged better . The sounds on Melrose and other albums around the Korg keyboard (was it Korg ?yes it was , just checked :))phase seem to sound older and less sophisticated than the earlier stuff !!???? The sounds from earlier albums seem timeless to me and I always noticed the lack of anything that would suggest a *real* instrument (guitars not included)By that I mean a keyboard sound trying to be an Oboe perhaps ? and that was kinda cool as it rooted TD firmly in the electronic field . However they seem now to have gone for an all out 'Orchestral' sound on 'Inferno' and various other tracks in recent albums (The seven Letters , Ambient Monkeys etc)and this seems kinda cheap sounding because to me (I`m not really a muso so its only an opinion) the unique classy sound that TD always had has now merged into a wishy washy 'this could be anybody' kind of sound ,it doesn't`t stand on a pedestal anymore . Now of course not all of the later releases are like this .I just do not like this almost classical direction TD are heading in, because I don't think they do it very well, which is surprising to me ? Pete _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35162 Re: Evolution of the Tangs John Vertical Fri 8/2/2002 6 KB 35164 Re: Evolution of the Tangs - dark TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Fri 8/2/2002 3 KB 35167 Re: Evolution of the Tangs - dark John Vertical Fri 8/2/2002 2 KB 35166 Re: Evolution of the Tangs Dennis Nigbur Fri 8/2/2002 8 KB 35170 Re: Evolution of the Tangs John Vertical Fri 8/2/2002 4 KB 35173 Re: Evolution of the Tangs Greg Fri 8/2/2002 5 KB 35179 Re: Evolution of the Tangs Administrator Fri 8/2/2002 2 KB 35190 Re: Evolution of the Tangs Chris Owen Fri 8/2/2002 10 KB 35219 Re: Evolution of the Tangs Marion Horrod Mon 8/5/2002 3 KB From: 'bigstupidgeek' Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 4:00 pm Subject: list maintenance sorry I 've been absent lately. I just upgraded a bunch of people to normal status, and you will see some pending messages come through that may appear to be old. they are. sorry. Joe np: 02-09-76 Brussels Jansen Univ (is that Sept 2 or Feb 9?) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35121 Re: list maintenance Gustavo Jobim Thu 8/1/2002 2 KB 35122 Re: list maintenance Antonio Nunes Thu 8/1/2002 2 KB 35123 Re: list maintenance Heiko Heerssen Thu 8/1/2002 2 KB 35133 Re: list maintenance Administrator Thu 8/1/2002 3 KB 35136 AW: [tadream] Re: list maintenance Herbert Thu 8/1/2002 4 KB 35140 Re: list maintenance Gustavo Jobim Thu 8/1/2002 2 KB 35139 Re: list maintenance Administrator Thu 8/1/2002 4 KB From: 'paulus_d2002' Date: Sat Jul 13, 2002 7:47 pm Subject: Hiya Guys &gals!!! been a fan of TD since White Eagle '82. Saw them at the Shepherds Bush Empire 1997!! a good time was had by all there!! Owner of 20-30 TD albums! Paulus.d_uk Ps does anyone know what the Vocoded voice lyrics at the begining of Cyclone is saying? From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 8:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD while pregnant 'Mysterious semblelence in the strand of nightmares' from Phaedra- 1973 Virgin. Very soothing music, thick with mellotron strings and white noise whooshes, fantastic!!!!! Paulus.d_uk ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Marko Marin' To: Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] TD while pregnant > > --- omegatransfinito wrote: > > > > What I wanted to throw into the round: What TD > > music would > > you > > > > play for an unborn child???? > > > > > > > > A tough question, I don't remember anymore what my > > musical > > tastes were at that time :-P > > I could remember what my musical taste was at that > point but the birth was so traumatic that everything > before The Outer World has been wiped out from my > mind. > From TD... Rubycon of course. (Come on! What did you > expect from me! ;-) > > Regards, > Marko Marin > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 8:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Something other than TD? :) Red Shift perhaps!!!! Paulus.d_uk ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Marko Marin' To: Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Something other than TD? :) > > --- Morgan Feldon wrote: > > > > >Marko said: > > > > > >You don't listen anything else but TD, right? > > Perhaps > > >in time you will be cured from that sickness... ;-) > > >No, really! Try something different sometimes! > > > > > >Regards, > > >Marko Marin > > > > For the longest time, I listened to samples of other > > people's music but > > really only found Tangerine Dream compelling. In > > fact, I'd given up on the > > idea that there was other music I'd really get > > attached to. > > > > Then I heard the Okefenokee 2000 CD. > > > > Now, these artists get heavy play around here: > > > > Free System Project > > AirSculpture > > Kubusschnitt > > Lakveet - Scab > > Star Sounds Orchestra > > Wavestar > > Mark Shreeve > > Arcane > > > > I hope Airwave puts out a CD soon. :) > > > > -Morgan > > Hmmm... I know AirSculpure for sure... Altough I > haven't found any of their cd's in the stores here in > Finland. I only have couple of Mp3-files. > > Regards, > Marko Marin > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'bjoernsip' Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 7:05 pm Subject: TT2 arrived today! I´VE GOT IT!!! Thanx to Heiko! It will be a threesome weekend. Just me, one or the other glas of The Balvenie Portwood or Laphroaig Cask Strenght and the TT2. I´ve edited the database. Maybe this would help Joe to administrate the tree. And I will start do copy my 3 sets by now. It´s up to Joe to name the leaves ('this should be no way of pressure, Joe :O)). Dream on! Björn From: 'Strimples' Date: Sun Jul 21, 2002 4:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] SBMs x old Virgins Hey, Where can I get an 'old Virgin'? .....Oh sorry wrong list... Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: thomas b To: Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] SBMs x old Virgins > Hi Gustavo and everyone else, > > I generally like the Super Bit Mapping releases from > Virgin. There is one BIG exception though, and that is > Encore. On all the other CDs they remastered they have > done a well balanced job, but listen to the piano > intro of 'Monolight' and you realize someone screwed > up bigtime. On the original CD release, and even more > so on the vinyl, it sounds reasonably like a piano, > which I think was the intent. But on the SBM remaster, > it sounds like they put the microphone inside a pillow > (although there probably wasn't a microphone at all, > that's still what it sounds like). I think they > focused so much on taking the noise out that they > forgot about the actual music! Listen and compare, it > is SO obvious! > They didn't do the same mistake on the other CDs, and > they sound just fine. I personally prefer the old CDs, > as I think they sound more 'organic' and have more > grunt than the new ones, more musical. But if you like > clean and bright recordings, than the SBM remasters > are for you. > The best CD of 'Rubycon' out there is the Super Audio > CD though, but that's another chapter. > > Thomas Bertilsson > St.Paul / MN > > > --- Gustavo Jobim wrote: > > Hi folks, I'm sure this question must've been asked > > before, but please help me. Are the Virgin SBMs > > really worth to get? I mean, is there a big sound > > improvement over ALL old CDs, only a little, or does > > it vary? Because I've noticed that while trying to > > get the CDs, I ended up getting quite a number of > > old Virgins: I have Phaedra, Rubycon, Tangram, White > > Eagle and Hyperborea. They were usually for a quite > > nice price, and the SBMs are usually for a > > considerably higher price. So should I try to > > substitute them? What about the others? Should I > > absolutely try to get the SBMs or there's not a big > > difference - and now I'm beginning to walk in > > circles? > > > > anyway, thanks! > > GJ np: Mysterious Semblance from an old Phaedra I > > just got (well, better than my old CDR! and the > > price was very nice!) > > > > Gustavo Jobim > > gustavojobim@n... > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sun Jul 21, 2002 9:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re A bit Off Topic, Sorry, Kitaro Idont have a problem with Kitaro, his 'Silk Road' soundtrack is superb! I do however need updating..... Iam currently listening to 'Sohoman' as I type this, this was my last CD I brought!!! shock horror.... What is Tangerine Tree, besides the beatles 'lucy in the sky with diamonds? and SMB's? Please someone show me the way to the 2000's! Iam completely lost!!!! Paulus.d_uk ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Frank Arellano' To: ; Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 12:55 AM Subject: [tadream] Re A bit Off Topic, Sorry, Kitaro > Well people, the last few days I've been on a Kitaro trip. Today I've > been mostly listening and watching his 'Live In America' VHS on repeat, > definitely recommended, BTW. > Anyways, I just thought I'd pass on a little info that I thought was a > little interesting that I came across. > > Kitaro's real name is Masanori Takahashi and he was born in 1953, [So he's > only seven years older than me! 8-\ 8-) I must be getting old! But I > still can do _it_ with the _best_ of them 8-)] and his stage name means > 'man of joy and love'. The other day I had said that I had thought he was > 'blessed with natural talent'. Well, this is what he has to said, that he > gives credit for his creations to a power beyond himself. 'This music is not > from my mind. It is from heaven, going through my body and out my fingers. > Sometimes I wonder, I never practice, I don't read or write music, but my > fingers move. I wonder, 'Whose song is this?' I write my songs, but they > are not my songs.' Interesting I thought ..... I guess Yanni isn't alone in > not being able to read or write music. 8-\ 8-) > > > Also people, some of you may want to note that I'm in the middle of changing > ISP's, so my email address will be changing to farellano@c... . At > the moment I have two for two different computers, but on my new email > address I still need to change the configurations so that it'll let me send > out my email. 8-\ I should have switched to high speed cable a _long_ > time ago !! 8-\ > > Have a good one from 'Idahammer', i..t's alll goood 8-) > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: René Brenner Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 4:12 pm Subject: TDI Releases # 23,24,25 Today I went through my TDI releases and I found a gap between issue 22 and 26. Is there any information available regarding release 23, 24 and 25? Thank you René Brenner -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35147 Re: TDI Releases # 23,24,25 Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Thu 8/1/2002 3 KB 35161 Re: TDI Releases # 23,24,25 TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Fri 8/2/2002 3 KB 35171 Re: TDI Releases # 23,24,25 michael_berling Fri 8/2/2002 3 KB 35199 Re: TDI Releases # 23,24,25 Jim Moore Sat 8/3/2002 3 KB From: 'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR' Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 8:17 am Subject: RE: TT2 and downloading Hi, Someone brought this up before: each time I connect to the net I get a different IP address. How is this going to work with needing to supply you with the IP address before I can be let into your server? Daniel [moderator's note: good question, Daniel. The answer is that we will find a SHN download host for you that won't require your IP address. I am hosting SHNs for download, and I won't require your IP address; instead, I'll assign you a login and password that is unique to YOU only and you can log into my FTP server. The only problem for me hosting SHN downloads is that my upload (to you) speed ain't that swift; I'll probably only be able to have a couple people on at a time, and those must initially be high-speed access people, so the copies get out quickly. We're finalizing the tree structure now and will have more details within the next couple days. -Joe] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35131 Re: TT2 and downloading Administrator Thu 8/1/2002 4 KB 35150 Re: TT2 and downloading Rolf Elfström Thu 8/1/2002 2 KB 35151 Re: TT2 and downloading Administrator Thu 8/1/2002 4 KB From: 'plastics67' Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 10:31 am Subject: Tangerine Dream Parallel Dreams Box Set (18 Disk) I have recently downloaded a 18 disk set called Parallel Dreams Box Set. I have tried to find information on this and have not been able to. Has anybody seen any info on it and can point me to the location? Many Thanks.... Plastic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35120 Re: Tangerine Dream Parallel Dreams Box Set (18 D Heiko Heerssen Thu 8/1/2002 2 KB From: Ivan Yerkedoff Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 10:01 pm Subject: TT 1 + Beatles? Hi to all. A big thank you to Robert Grabowsky ( my branch) for all the extra effort, Joe Shoults and Matt Sawyer for their help and advice, and to Heiko for starting all this. These are the first 'boots' I have ever got and WOW. Can hardly wait for TT2 P.S. Is it me or is there a quote from the Beatles Hard Day's Night on Nottingham, track 3 starting 11:24 and then 11: 48? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35128 Re: TT 1 + Beatles? Antonio Nunes Thu 8/1/2002 2 KB 35869 Re: TT 1 + Beatles? andrzejos2000 andrzejos2000 Tue 9/3/2002 3 KB From: 'alistairhull' Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 1:14 am Subject: What did he say? We all have to lament the passing of vinyl, and the great fortune for the record companies which means have to go and buy all the bloody stuff on CD. Again. But having just resurrected my memories of Newcastle City Hall - Cyclone Tour. I have to ask What the Hell is said in the vocoder part in the opening It sounds like 'When I talk to the trees all the ... ... ... ... oil vapour till there is no answer' 'when I talk to the snick snick.......' ' there are lost and lots of people around the trees who grow ... ... ...' '... ... ... ... or if there is I just don't understand, understand understand' Bemused, and remebering I never knew what the Hell Steve Joliffe was saying back then EITHER. Any Ideas. Edgar? Thanks - I know THIS group can pull an answer to something like that out of the hat without even trying. Enjoy Nideggen those of you who are lucky enough to be going Hope you get backstage. From: 'Richard Stockwell' Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:44 am Subject: RE: [tadream] [Mantovani] Discussion schedule > Next week is D:'The Song from Moulin Rouge' > The week of Aug 5 is D:'Swedish Rhapsody' > The week of Aug 12 is D:'Exodus' E by gum your a D astardly D ude Regards Richard Cranium Music http://www.cranium.co.nz From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Parallel Dreams Box Set (18 Disk) > I have recently downloaded a 18 disk set called Parallel Dreams Box > Set. I have tried to find information on this and have not been > able to. Has anybody seen any info on it and can point me to the > location? Many Thanks.... This is my compilation, details are at 'http://www.tangerinedreamer.de' heiko From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 11:17 pm Subject: Re: list maintenance It's because of this (very annoying) confusion with date formats we put the dates in the T.Tree as, for example, August 1st... > sorry I 've been absent lately. I just upgraded a bunch of people to > normal status, and you will see some pending messages come through > that may appear to be old. they are. sorry. > > Joe > np: 02-09-76 Brussels Jansen Univ (is that Sept 2 or Feb 9?) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 4:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] list maintenance bigstupidgeek wrote: > > np: 02-09-76 Brussels Jansen Univ (is that Sept 2 or Feb 9?) It's Feb 9. Antonio From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 4:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: list maintenance > > np: 02-09-76 Brussels Jansen Univ (is that Sept 2 or Feb 9?) > it's February 9th.. From: 'dat_dream' Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 3:04 pm Subject: Re: Free sound editor --- In tadream@y..., 'omegatransfinito' wrote: > Does anyone know any free Mac AIFF music editors? I don't > really need anything more special than simple cut&paste, fading, > and perhaps (though not necessarily) pitch/speed adjustment > features. > > John Vertical Check for Pro Tools Free. As the name suggests it's actually pro tools from Digidesign and as such probably is a bit daunting for your needs. But it is free. Does not run on X (which is probably why they're giving it away). Supports 24 bit btw. If you're running X, you can't beat Sound Studio 2.0--easy to learn, stable, and probably all you need. They have a generous trial period (15 days of use, not 15 from when you first launch it) w/ no crippled functions during the trial. I'm not running X and prefer Sound Studio Classic. You lose a few goodies (flanger, graphic equilizer, reverb) but seems faster on my slightly older system. Plus a little cheaper, I believe. From: Ivan Yerkedoff Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 10:46 pm Subject: Beatle's Quote? Hi all. Is it me or is there a quote from the Beatle's Hard Day's Night on TT1 Nottingham Track 3 starting at 11:24 min's into it and again at 11:48? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From: 'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR' Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 11:08 am Subject: RE: Shivers HI, Short list of what does it for me everytime: TD Coldwater Canyon TD Cloudburst Flight Redshift Ether Pink Floyd Comfortably Numb - gawd, I'm going tingly just thinking about it! Dan ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** From: 'bjoernsip' Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 1:19 pm Subject: Re: Shivers Great lists, big music! I would like to add a few of my very personal shiver songs: ELOY - Atlantis (from Ocean) CHRIS EVANS/DAVID HANSELMANN - Stonehenge & Symbols (full albums) GALAHAD - Bugeye (from Following Ghosts) TANGERINE DREAM - Pick up at High Noon (from Near Dark) JOHN DYSON - I.F.O. (from Evolution) QUEENSRYCHE - Operation Mindcrime (album) DREAM THEATER - Space Dye Vest (from Awake) PETER SEILER - Grönland (from Flying Frames) VANGELIS - 12 o´clock (from Heaven and Hell) Enjoy it! Björn From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 4:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TT 1 + Beatles? Ivan Yerkedoff wrote: > > P.S. Is it me or is there a quote from the Beatles > Hard Day's Night on Nottingham, track 3 starting 11:24 > and then 11: 48? Finally someone else notices that! I had mentioned it a few months ago when I received my copy of TT1. See message http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/message/32713 Antonio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35869 Re: TT 1 + Beatles? andrzejos2000 andrzejos2000 Tue 9/3/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 5:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TT Naming Marko has drawn the line. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Marko Marin' To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:27 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] TT Naming > Well I'm against the naming of the tracks. It's > perfect how it is. So... over my dead, beaten, > mutilated, burned, violated, cutted and bloody body. > Hmmm... that isn't so nice image... Well, at least > from my point of view... ;-) > > Regards, > Marko Marin > > --- Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > > I realized there's still one vital comment > > missing: what does Heiko think > > > about this? It's his project we're applying or not > > appying these titles > > > to... Heiko, you haven't left a 'I'm-on-vacation' > > post, so could you please > > > stand up and tell what should be done? > > > > Well what do I think of this... we already had some > > major (off-list) > > controversy about how to make a correct track > > indexing of some of the TT#2 > > concerts, and I don't want to go through this again > > since it was extremly > > nerveracking for some of us. > > Regarding the naming of certain TT recordings it is > > not possible for me to come > > up with a solution that pleases everybody because > > there is no such definite > > solution. I decided not to use track names for all > > TD concerts up to 1980 (the > > only exception was the Washington 1977 concert since > > it already had two tracks > > which were known before), and to use or/and invent > > track names for every > > concert from 1980 onwards (the European tour which > > started in November) > > I will give a more detailed statement (if necessary) > > tomorrow because I'll have > > to switch off my office PC, otherwise I will miss > > the train!! :-) > > > > bye > > Heiko > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Dr_Chandrasegarampillai' Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 9:44 pm Subject: At Darwin's Motel lyrics mystery revealed Hello all, Sorry if this is already discussed, (I'm new to this group) but I've seen people were asking about the meaning of lyrics from 'At Darwin's motel'. The truth is, the sample is in Sanskrit, it is a Dhyaana Shloka, invocation song of Hindu goddess Lakshmi, goddesss of wealth and prosperity. You can find the whole thing at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/2627/tstotmal.html the lines you are interested in are: vande padmakaraaM prasannavadanaaM saubhaagyadaaM bhaagyadaaM. hastaabhyaamabhayapradaaM maNigaNairnaanaa vidhairbhuushhitaam. The translation would be: 'I salute the Goddess, who bears lotus flowers in hands, who is of smiling face, bestower of all fortunes, whose hands are ready to rescue anyone from fear, who is adorned by various ornaments with precious stones.' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35163 Re: At Darwin's Motel lyrics mystery revealed John Vertical Fri 8/2/2002 3 KB 35203 Re: At Darwin's Motel lyrics mystery revealed Michael W Daniels Sat 8/3/2002 2 KB 35216 Re: At Darwin's Motel lyrics mystery revealed paul Sun 8/4/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 5:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: TT2 and downloading Watch your IP when you connect. You will see a pattern. Normally the last two sets of numbers change. For me this is easy to set. Say your address is 123.456.78.111 on time, 123.456.78.22 the next. I set my mask for 123.456.78.xxx you get in. Same if I have to mask the last two sets too (123.456.xxx.xxx). For those who get a few different sets, that isn't that hard either, just tell me what the sets are. These come in pairs sometimes. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR' To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 1:17 AM Subject: [tadream] RE: TT2 and downloading > Hi, > > Someone brought this up before: each time I connect to the net I get a > different IP address. How is this going to work with needing to supply you > with the IP address before I can be let into your server? > > Daniel > > > [moderator's note: good question, Daniel. The answer is that we will find a SHN download host for you that won't require your IP address. I am hosting SHNs for download, and I won't require your IP address; instead, I'll assign you a login and password that is unique to YOU only and you can log into my FTP server. > > The only problem for me hosting SHN downloads is that my upload (to you) speed ain't that swift; I'll probably only be able to have a couple people on at a time, and those must initially be high-speed access people, so the copies get out quickly. > > We're finalizing the tree structure now and will have more details within the next couple days. -Joe] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35150 Re: TT2 and downloading Rolf Elfström Thu 8/1/2002 2 KB From: 'edmorrisuk' Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 9:32 pm Subject: Re:Shivers A difficult one this but interesting to knock up a list. Some tracks are best left as part of the album as the whole is often better than the sum of the parts. So here are a few of mine, covering the 70's through until the present and several music types. Here goes. TD - 'Rubycon' + many more - too difficult to choose. Yes - 'Close to the Edge', 'Relayer' and 'Turn of the Century' from 'Going for the One' -- have to agree with my fellow Welshman Colin J here - Moraz was brilliant on Gates. Chris Squire - 'Fish out of Water'. Steve Howe - 'Lost Symphony' from 'Beginings'. Rick Wakeman - 'Journey to the Centre of the Earth'. ELP - 'Karn Evil 9' from 'Brain Salad Surgery'. Camel - 'Moonmadness'. Sad loss of Pete Bardens earlier this year. Pink Floyd - 'Wish you were Here' and 'Sorrow' from 'Pulse'. The Orb - 'OOBE' from 'UF Orb', 'Valley/Plateau/Oxbow Lakes' from 'Orbus Terrarum'and 'Star 6 + 7,8,9' from 'Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld'. The stars of ambient house. Orbital - 'Satan/LC1/Belfast' from the Orbital 3 single, and 'The Girl with the Sun in her Head' from 'Insides'. The stars of electro dance. Brian Eno - 'Before and After Science'. KLF - 'Last Train to Trancentral' from 'The White Room'. Prodigy - 'Mindfields' from 'Fat of the Land'. Santana - 'Black Magic Woman/Gypsy Queen' from 'Moonflower'. Genesis - 'Supper's Ready' from 'Foxtrot'. Stranglers - 'Rattus Norvegicus'. David Sylvian - 'Nostalgia' from 'Brilliant Trees'. Steely Dan - 'Home at Last' from 'Aja'. Donald Fagan - 'Snowbound' from 'Kamakiriad'. Bjork - 'Play Dead' from 'Debut'. Status Quo - 'Forty Five Hundred Times' from 'Hello'. Caravan - 'Nine Feet Underground' from 'In the Land of Grey and Pink'. Television - 'Marquee Moon'. PFM - 'The World Became the World'. Worth hearing if you can get a copy. George Thorogood And the Destroyers - album (1st) of the same name. Be Bop Deluxe - 'Heavenly Homes/Ships in the Night/Crying to the Sky' from 'Sunburst Finish'. Al Stewart - 'Year of the Cat'. Vangelis - 'Heaven and Hell'. Ed From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 5:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: list maintenance I prefer day month year. DDMMYY is cool, DDMMYYYY is better. Dale Sorry I was tainted while living in Europe. It just makes more sense to follow a logical order. (not to mention the military uses this format) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gustavo Jobim' To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:17 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: list maintenance > It's because of this (very annoying) confusion with date formats we put the > dates in the T.Tree as, for example, August 1st... > > > sorry I 've been absent lately. I just upgraded a bunch of people to > > normal status, and you will see some pending messages come through > > that may appear to be old. they are. sorry. > > > > Joe > > np: 02-09-76 Brussels Jansen Univ (is that Sept 2 or Feb 9?) > > Gustavo Jobim > gustavojobim@n... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35136 AW: [tadream] Re: list maintenance Herbert Thu 8/1/2002 4 KB 35140 Re: list maintenance Gustavo Jobim Thu 8/1/2002 2 KB From: 'strimples' Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 5:13 pm Subject: TT2 Tree Structure? Hello, I signed up for TT2 but cannot find myself on the color coded database. Is it still being edited or did I fall through the cracks? Steve Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35135 Re: TT2 Tree Structure? Administrator Thu 8/1/2002 2 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 5:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TT2 Tree Structure? Only Joe knows for sure??? Joe where are you???? dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'strimples' To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: [tadream] TT2 Tree Structure? > Hello, I signed up for TT2 but cannot find myself on the color coded > database. Is it still being edited or did I fall through the cracks? > > Steve > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Herbert' Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 5:20 pm Subject: AW: [tadream] Re: list maintenance YYYYMMDD eases the sorting. That's why I do prefer it on filenames. Only my 2 cents :))) Herbert > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Administrator [mailto:admin@k...] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. August 2002 19:11 > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: Re: [tadream] Re: list maintenance > > > I prefer day month year. > > DDMMYY is cool, DDMMYYYY is better. > > Dale > > Sorry I was tainted while living in Europe. It just makes > more sense to > follow a logical order. (not to mention the military uses this format) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Gustavo Jobim' > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:17 AM > Subject: [tadream] Re: list maintenance > > > > It's because of this (very annoying) confusion with date > formats we put > the > > dates in the T.Tree as, for example, August 1st... > > > > > sorry I 've been absent lately. I just upgraded a bunch > of people to > > > normal status, and you will see some pending messages come through > > > that may appear to be old. they are. sorry. > > > > > > Joe > > > np: 02-09-76 Brussels Jansen Univ (is that Sept 2 or Feb 9?) > > > > Gustavo Jobim > > gustavojobim@n... > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 12:20 am Subject: Cyclone lyrics, story Hi folks, at this page - http://www.hmnetwork.com/cyclone.html - you can find the lyrics for the Cyclone album, and also, and I don't know if others have seen this, a kind of interview with Steve Jolliffe about the making of the album, explanations about the lyrics, it was really very interesting to read. By the way Cyc is an album I really like! Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35148 Re: Cyclone lyrics, story Owens, James Thu 8/1/2002 2 KB 35157 Re: Cyclone lyrics, story John Vertical Fri 8/2/2002 3 KB 35177 Re: Cyclone lyrics, story Jonathan Holt Fri 8/2/2002 2 KB 35236 Goblins Club Marko Marin Tue 8/6/2002 2 KB From: ampmusic Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 5:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1435 > Message: 15 > Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:14:21 -0000 > From: 'alistairhull' > Subject: What did he say? > > > But having just resurrected my memories of Newcastle City Hall - > Cyclone Tour. I have to ask > > What the Hell is said in the vocoder part in the opening > > It sounds like > > 'When I talk to the trees all the ... ... ... ... oil vapour till > there is no answer' > > 'when I talk to the snick snick.......' > > ' there are lost and lots of people around the trees who > grow ... ... ...' > > '... ... ... ... or if there is I just don't understand, understand > understand' > > Bemused, and remebering I never knew what the Hell Steve Joliffe was > saying back then EITHER. > > Any Ideas. I'm sure someone will post an answer to this, as it has been printed in a couple of places before. But I'd be interested to hear whether anyone can work out what THIS vocoded introduction is saying...or find the original text... http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/The Stone.mp3 (30s low res MP3 file) Best effort wins......errrrr.......something nice :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35158 Re: Digest Number 1435 John Vertical Fri 8/2/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 5:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: list maintenance yea, I see your point using the folders to sort with... I am just use to doing this in a database.... dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Herbert' To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:20 AM Subject: AW: [tadream] Re: list maintenance > YYYYMMDD eases the sorting. That's why I do prefer it on filenames. > > Only my 2 cents :))) > Herbert > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Administrator [mailto:admin@k...] > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. August 2002 19:11 > > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Betreff: Re: [tadream] Re: list maintenance > > > > > > I prefer day month year. > > > > DDMMYY is cool, DDMMYYYY is better. > > > > Dale > > > > Sorry I was tainted while living in Europe. It just makes > > more sense to > > follow a logical order. (not to mention the military uses this format) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Gustavo Jobim' > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:17 AM > > Subject: [tadream] Re: list maintenance > > > > > > > It's because of this (very annoying) confusion with date > > formats we put > > the > > > dates in the T.Tree as, for example, August 1st... > > > > > > > sorry I 've been absent lately. I just upgraded a bunch > > of people to > > > > normal status, and you will see some pending messages come through > > > > that may appear to be old. they are. sorry. > > > > > > > > Joe > > > > np: 02-09-76 Brussels Jansen Univ (is that Sept 2 or Feb 9?) > > > > > > Gustavo Jobim > > > gustavojobim@n... > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 12:42 am Subject: Re: list maintenance Yeah, in Brazil day month year is also used, but still it would make dates like 2/9/1976 ambiguous; that was my point, we wrote the month's name instead of its number. Dale said: > I prefer day month year. > > DDMMYY is cool, DDMMYYYY is better. > > Dale > > Sorry I was tainted while living in Europe. It just makes more sense to > follow a logical order. (not to mention the military uses this format) > >> It's because of this (very annoying) confusion with date formats we put > the >> dates in the T.Tree as, for example, August 1st... From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 5:45 pm Subject: Sohoman >I do however need updating..... >Iam currently listening to 'Sohoman' as I type this, this was my last CD I >brought!!! shock horror.... First, you must have a Sohoman bonfire and dance around it. Then pick up the two fan tapes 'The Real Sohoman' and 'Strange Attractions'. The Real Sohoman is the complete Feb 22, 1982 concert which Sohoman is a horrid version of (well, at least the first set). Then Strange Attractions is the second set of the March 1, 1982 concert. Both of these are from FM radio. Why both? I find that I play 'The Real Sohoman' disc 1 and then 'Strange Attractions' back to back as a complete recording of the 4 Australia 82 shows. 'Strange Attractions' sound quality is 10 times better than The Real Sohoman. For anyone with the old bootlegs 'Ratikon' and 'Outback Voices', you really must hear these new ones. >What is Tangerine Tree, besides the beatles 'lucy in the sky with diamonds? >and SMB's? Please someone show me the way to the 2000's! Iam completely >lost!!!! >Paulus.d_uk Since Edgar won't open the vaults, and when he does pull out a concert tape, he plays nice and loud on top with his Korgs and other keyboards, we have to find an alternate solution to listen to the hundred+ hours of unique concerts. Did you know each 1974-1977 show had at least an hour of entirely improvised music which not repeated from one show to the next? So the Tangerine Tree is an attempt to wash away the crummy sounding TD bootlegs out there and go back to original master tapes recorded in the audience or (when we're lucky) from FM stereo. Many of these tapes are incredible quality and with some work in the studio by some talented remastering 'galley slaves' we are getting concerts which are a joy to listen to. Tangerine Tree 2 is just now rolling out. Once again, just like the first Tree, 8 concerts are being showcased with professional-looking artwork and very good sound quality. If you want to get a taste of the Tangerine Tree, check out the artwork here: http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/ It also has the dates of the shows on it. To get signed up for the tree, send an e-mail to joes@f... -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 5:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sohoman time for a change Mark no longer Evil and he has manage to get his LFO off Ramp Morgan is evil and his LFO doesn't have ramp! ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:45 AM Subject: [tadream] Sohoman > > >I do however need updating..... > >Iam currently listening to 'Sohoman' as I type this, this was my last CD I > >brought!!! shock horror.... > > First, you must have a Sohoman bonfire and dance around it. > > Then pick up the two fan tapes 'The Real Sohoman' and 'Strange Attractions'. > > The Real Sohoman is the complete Feb 22, 1982 concert which Sohoman is a > horrid version of (well, at least the first set). > > Then Strange Attractions is the second set of the March 1, 1982 concert. > > Both of these are from FM radio. Why both? I find that I play 'The Real > Sohoman' disc 1 and then 'Strange Attractions' back to back as a complete > recording of the 4 Australia 82 shows. 'Strange Attractions' sound quality > is 10 times better than The Real Sohoman. > > > For anyone with the old bootlegs 'Ratikon' and 'Outback Voices', you really > must hear these new ones. > > > > >What is Tangerine Tree, besides the beatles 'lucy in the sky with diamonds? > >and SMB's? Please someone show me the way to the 2000's! Iam completely > >lost!!!! > >Paulus.d_uk > > Since Edgar won't open the vaults, and when he does pull out a concert > tape, he plays nice and loud on top with his Korgs and other keyboards, we > have to find an alternate solution to listen to the hundred+ hours of > unique concerts. Did you know each 1974-1977 show had at least an hour of > entirely improvised music which not repeated from one show to the next? > > So the Tangerine Tree is an attempt to wash away the crummy sounding TD > bootlegs out there and go back to original master tapes recorded in the > audience or (when we're lucky) from FM stereo. Many of these tapes are > incredible quality and with some work in the studio by some talented > remastering 'galley slaves' we are getting concerts which are a joy to > listen to. > > Tangerine Tree 2 is just now rolling out. Once again, just like the first > Tree, 8 concerts are being showcased with professional-looking artwork and > very good sound quality. > > If you want to get a taste of the Tangerine Tree, check out the artwork here: > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/ > > It also has the dates of the shows on it. > > To get signed up for the tree, send an e-mail to joes@f... > > -Morgan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 5:53 pm Subject: Date Conventions >I prefer day month year. > >DDMMYY is cool, DDMMYYYY is better. > >Dale > >Sorry I was tainted while living in Europe. It just makes more sense to >follow a logical order. (not to mention the military uses this format) When you look at a clock, the time is in Hours, Minutes, Seconds. Seconds is the most significant digit, then the minutes, then hours. The seconds changes most often, the hours the least often. Why in the world are dates not done this way? I think 02/09/1976 (American format) and 09/02/1976 (European format) are both completely nonsensical and confusing (because the other format exists). Also, neither of these date formats mean anything to a computer when trying to sort things. I have completely standardized on my concert list and my online music collection on the only date format that makes sense to me. YYYY.MM.DD 1976.02.09. It leaves no room for confusion and it sorts perfectly. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35145 Re: Date Conventions Mark Filipak Thu 8/1/2002 2 KB From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 6:07 pm Subject: The beginning of Bent Cold Sidewalk The lyrics to the beginning of Bent Cold Sidewalk can be found on the Horizon Music Web site. Just click the 'bios' section, then click the Steve Jolliffe section, then click 'Cyclone' and you'll find them. You can also access our site by going to www.tadream.net and clicking the link there. Sincerely, Dave Kaufman Horizon Music, Inc. www.hmnetwork.com > > But having just resurrected my memories of Newcastle City Hall - > Cyclone Tour. I have to ask > > What the Hell is said in the vocoder part in the opening > > It sounds like > > 'When I talk to the trees all the ... ... ... ... oil vapour till > there is no answer' > > 'when I talk to the snick snick.......' > > ' there are lost and lots of people around the trees who > grow ... ... ...' > > '... ... ... ... or if there is I just don't understand, understand > understand' > > Bemused, and remebering I never knew what the Hell Steve Joliffe was > saying back then EITHER. > > Any Ideas. > > Edgar? > > Thanks - I know THIS group can pull an answer to something like that > out of the hat without even trying. > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35149 Re: The beginning of Bent Cold Sidewalk Gustavo Jobim Thu 8/1/2002 2 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 6:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Date Conventions Morgan Feldon wrote: > -snip a bunch of stuff I agree with- > > I have completely standardized on my concert list and my online music > collection on the only date format that makes sense to me. > > YYYY.MM.DD > 1976.02.09. > > It leaves no room for confusion and it sorts perfectly. Yes. I do this also except that I format as YYYY-MM-DD, but hyphens versus dots is entirely optional and doesn't really matter. Ciao -- Mark From: Mark Filipak Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 6:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sohoman Hi Dale! Administrator (who's obviously up in smoke) wrote: > > time for a change > > Mark no longer Evil and he has manage to get his LFO off Ramp > > Morgan is evil and his LFO doesn't have ramp! You've spent entirely too much time in California, my friend. You need to get somewhere where the agricultural produce doesn't make you silly. Dream away! -- Mark (...Ear! Ohr, here!...) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35152 Re: Sohoman Jonathan Holt Fri 8/2/2002 2 KB From: 'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz' Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 6:29 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI Releases # 23,24,25 Sometime they planned to re-release three albums: Lily on the Beach, Melrose & Optical Race but they postponed the edition. Probably the number you asked were reserved for them. cheers Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jerry@t... mailto:jarek@w... Visit my websites at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/ > -----Original Message----- > From: René Brenner [mailto:fairway@g...] > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:12 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] TDI Releases # 23,24,25 > > > Today I went through my TDI releases and I found a gap > between issue 22 and > 26. Is there any information available regarding release 23, > 24 and 25? > > Thank you > René Brenner > > -- > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > http://www.gmx.net > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 7:10 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Cyclone lyrics, story I have all the lyrics memorized... I have written 2 role-playing adventures loosely based on the lyrics, one on the opening to 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' and one on the last stanza of 'Rising Runner...' TD lyrics make great Fantasy adventures... James From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 9:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The beginning of Bent Cold Sidewalk heh! there you go, just the link I posted ;) >The lyrics to the beginning of Bent Cold Sidewalk can be found on the Horizon Music Web site.(...) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Rolf Elfström Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 11:15 pm Subject: Re: TT2 and downloading >Watch your IP when you connect. You will see a pattern. Normally the last >two sets of numbers change. For me this is easy to set. Say your address is >123.456.78.111 on time, 123.456.78.22 the next. I set my mask for >123.456.78.xxx you get in. Same if I have to mask the last two sets too >(123.456.xxx.xxx). For those who get a few different sets, that isn't that >hard either, just tell me what the sets are. These come in pairs sometimes. > >dale Is there a place on the net that displays your IP? It won't do me any good to check the IP given to my machine as this whole town is on one big network with 'internal' IPs and then the connections to the internet backbone is done with some 'dynamic' IP (I don't really know how this works, but I hope you understand me)... Rolf From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 11:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TT2 and downloading yep I see your case is special try www.tracert.com/cgi-bin/ping.pl pick a server and the return IP, which more than likely your wan address. Also normally the address in the box is the address to send me to let you in or anyone else who has FTP locked down. dale BYW Any good hacker knows this site... for those who are wondering....reminds me of the number you dial on your phone that returns the phone number you are calling from.... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Rolf Elfström' To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:15 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: TT2 and downloading > > >Watch your IP when you connect. You will see a pattern. Normally the last > >two sets of numbers change. For me this is easy to set. Say your address is > >123.456.78.111 on time, 123.456.78.22 the next. I set my mask for > >123.456.78.xxx you get in. Same if I have to mask the last two sets too > >(123.456.xxx.xxx). For those who get a few different sets, that isn't that > >hard either, just tell me what the sets are. These come in pairs sometimes. > > > >dale > > Is there a place on the net that displays your IP? > > It won't do me any good to check the IP given to my machine as > this whole town is on one big network with 'internal' IPs and > then the connections to the internet backbone is done with some > 'dynamic' IP (I don't really know how this works, but I hope > you understand me)... > > Rolf > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Jonathan Holt Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 12:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Sohoman > > Dream away! -- Mark (...Ear! Ohr, here!...) Do my beady little eyes detect a Withnail & I reference?! ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: 'vic rek' Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 1:38 am Subject: Dark Side of the Moog I've been listening over the last few days to the various 'Dark Side of the Moog' releases by Pete Namlook and Klaus Schulze. I was picking them up as they came out - listened to them - liked them - then kind of forgot about them - UNTIL - 'The Evolution of The Dark Side of the Moog' came out! This is a great compilation (or best of?) of the first 8 DSOM CDs! I highly recommend this release - track 4 & 8 really sent 'shivers' down my spine (oh - wrong thread). And if you need the DSOM IX lastest release, I have a few for sale. I wonder how the TD fans would rank these releases? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35176 Re: Dark Side of the Moog Jonathan Holt Fri 8/2/2002 3 KB 35184 Re: Dark Side of the Moog Phil White Fri 8/2/2002 3 KB 35186 Re: Dark Side of the Moog thesmitter@j... Fri 8/2/2002 3 KB 35204 Re: Dark Side of the Moog Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chal Sat 8/3/2002 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 2:54 am Subject: half-OT (bizarre music) Hello everyone... do you think 'Wahn' is weird? hah! have you heard a track called 'Aumgn' from Can's Tago-Mago? just to give you an idea, the word 'aumgn' is part of the... err... 'lyrics'. absolutely the most bizarre and insane music I've ever heard... a fantastic, unforgettable crazy album, many kinds of music there. Take Radiohead (in Kid A/Amnesiac) and put in 1971. -GJ on the way to bed (listening to Aumgn - which ends with a drumming frenzy which makes Comas Sola sound... a bit soft maybe) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35156 Re: half-OT (bizarre music) John Vertical Fri 8/2/2002 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 5:53 am Subject: at darwin's..../list maintenance >vidhairbhuushhitaam is this what you use to get rid of a 'bad hair' day? --T (YYYYMMDD preferred) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 7:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] half-OT (bizarre music) >Hello everyone... >do you think 'Wahn' is weird? >hah! >have you heard a track called 'Aumgn' from Can's Tago-Mago? just to give >you an idea, the word 'aumgn' is part of the... err... 'lyrics'. absolutely >the most bizarre and insane music I've ever heard... a fantastic, >unforgettable crazy album, many kinds of music there. Take Radiohead (in >Kid A/Amnesiac) and put in 1971. >-GJ on the way to bed (listening to Aumgn - which ends with a drumming >frenzy which makes Comas Sola sound... a bit soft maybe) > >Gustavo Jobim >gustavojobim@n... I don't think Wahn is T.D:s strangest piece (though it does appear on my Strange Voices hypothetic sampler; I have a few dozen different themed samplers planned about about every TD theme. Gotta yet plan an 'urban' sampler, early non-space music sampler, a guitar sampler, etc...), I'd so far cast my vote on the 1973.11.29 concert which is my latest TD acquisition. Another really weird track I've heard is King Crimson's THRaKaTTaK. My father collects all kinds of progressive rock, so every now and then I get to hear some severely odd music... John Vertical PS: There's nothing strange about 'Aumgn'. Turned backwards, it's Finnish for 'ventilation'. PPS: Actually, I was just kidding... _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 7:56 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Cyclone lyrics, story >I have all the lyrics memorized... I have written 2 role-playing >adventures >loosely based on the lyrics, one on the opening to 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' and >one on the last stanza of 'Rising Runner...' > >TD lyrics make great Fantasy adventures... > >James Two whole RPGs out of only few lines of lyrics? Well, they _are_ inspiring ones, but either they must be somewhat small RPGs or you have a fabulous imagination. Your 'Valley of the Sun' poetry would suggest the 2nd choice... BTW, could you repost that? I lost my copy in a HD crash... But then again, I also have a certain RPG connection with Bent Cold Sidewalk. That '...but we can take you far beyond that door' verse always associates for me with a certain mysterious bug in a certain game; when I heard BCSW for the first time, I was exploring that bug. John Vertical np: Sad Merlin's Sunday - IMHO this is the best they have done within the last 10 years. Or perhaps the guitar solo of Homeless? Whatever. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35177 Re: Cyclone lyrics, story Jonathan Holt Fri 8/2/2002 2 KB 35236 Goblins Club Marko Marin Tue 8/6/2002 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 8:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1435 >But I'd be interested to hear whether anyone can work out what THIS vocoded >introduction is saying...or find the original text... > >http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/The Stone.mp3 Well, sounds like: The Stone is found which is an estainment (?) for (a / Al / all) For (which is crooked / witch is a Rook) and (by / buy / why) a qualifying For all above circles (or something...) the Stone itself it's playing But there is a (white / wide) and (weight / wave) at narrow (faith / weight) It's called a Stone and yet, he's no stone and in that stone can adventure works of [something] Look out for (or 'above'?) matter things it's a [something] glow it was involved in a [something] of circles... circles... circles... What was this, anyway? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 8:16 am Subject: test just testing, please ignore! Nick Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35215 Re: test René Brenner Sun 8/4/2002 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 8:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Free sound editor > > Does anyone know any free Mac AIFF music editors? I don't > > really need anything more special than simple cut&paste, >fading, > > and perhaps (though not necessarily) pitch/speed adjustment > > features. > > > > John Vertical > >Check for Pro Tools Free. As the name >suggests it's actually pro tools from Digidesign and as such >probably is a bit daunting for your needs. But it is free. Does not >run on X (which is probably why they're giving it away). Supports >24 bit btw. Indeed, sounds a little mammothous. Our local macazine says exactly the same... Thanks to everyone who sent suggestions, I got a few and I think I'm happy with them. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 1:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Releases # 23,24,25 At 18:12 01.08.02 , you wrote: >Today I went through my TDI releases and I found a gap between issue 22 and >26. Is there any information available regarding release 23, 24 and 25? > >Thank you >René Brenner > Good point. Here´s the story: 23, 24 and 25 were reserved for the reissues of the Private Music Releases (Optical, Lily, Melrose) in the database of our distributor. For economic reasons ( the market was still flooded with budget price copies of the first issues), we decided to postpone the rerelease indefinitely until they would be suffieciently long off the market to create a new demand. We have left the numbers reserved in the database as we do plan to rerelease those albums sometime in the future. Hope this explanation helps to stop a few heads from pondering ;-) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35171 Re: TDI Releases # 23,24,25 michael_berling Fri 8/2/2002 3 KB 35199 Re: TDI Releases # 23,24,25 Jim Moore Sat 8/3/2002 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 8:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Evolution of the Tangs >I would like peoples opinion on the Tangs evolution over the past 30+ years >.I must admit to enjoying the first two decades more than latter releases >.I >think they simply aged better . Agree. In the 70s TD were The Leaders in the field of EM; I mean, if you were the first to employ a sequence, how could anyone say that was not pioneering? In the 80s they still were innovative, but I think this was moreso thanks to the 'new blood'. The slow descent started after Franke left... Even though I like the Melrose Years and some albums off the Seattle Years (220V, GC, but NOT Rockoon), they don't sound too remarkable. Nice melodies and soundscapes, but it simply lacks something. I've discovered 3 lacking things so far: 1) Dark sections. Dolphin Dance on Livemiles was the last to get even near dark (no pun intended), the last _really_ dark piece was Horizon. Crystal Curfew or the likes are not even close. 2) Interesting background ambience. In eg. Poland or White Eagle, the backgrounds are incredibly varying and interesting; this allows the music to be examined from different viewpoints. The latter stuff has nothing but these same old choral, symphonical or synthetic hums over and over again. Real gems are rarities, not the standard. 3) Interesting sequencing. Chris was always the sequence mastermind, I think; that's probably why there's so much drum patches and the like after he left. Take The Midnight Trail for instance: it's a nice piece, but no real sequencing. Of course, there are exceptions, eg. Waterborne, but again: catchy sequencing is a rarity, not the standard anymore. >The sounds on Melrose and other albums around the Korg keyboard (was it >Korg >?yes it was , just checked :))phase seem to sound older and less >sophisticated than the earlier stuff !!???? Gee, *this* is some service! My question gets answered before I even have asked it! I had wondered for some time now what instrument this nice ever-reappearing Melrose Years keyboard sound is... >The sounds from earlier albums >seem timeless to me and I always noticed the lack of anything that would >suggest a *real* instrument (guitars not included)By that I mean a keyboard >sound trying to be an Oboe perhaps ? and that was kinda cool as it rooted >TD >firmly in the electronic field . Timeless indeed. But back then, synths were generally still very primitive, and able to produce mostly sounds like that; who knows, after some 100 years that soundset might be thought to actually belong to the earliest EM: thus, not timeless. >However they seem now to have gone for an >all out 'Orchestral' sound on 'Inferno' and various other tracks in recent >albums (The seven Letters , Ambient Monkeys etc)and this seems kinda cheap >sounding because to me (I`m not really a muso so its only an opinion) the >unique classy sound that TD always had has now merged into a wishy washy >'this could be anybody' kind of sound ,it doesn't`t stand on a pedestal >anymore . I agree. TD was a leading and innovative group up to at least the end of the 80s, but lately, they've lost their edge. Mars Polaris was my second TD album, but even though I like Oasis, I really dislike MP. Originally I was going to write 'absolutely hate' but then I remembered that there in fact are some nice movements on Comet's Figure Head, Outland and Astrophobia. The rest sucks. Oasis had a small flaw about disposability of themes; a theme appears only once, with only slight or no variation. In MP this is taken somewhat further... yuck. I'm probably not even going to try Great Wall of China if I don't learn to like that style. I've listened through TT3 two times, and I don't think I'll ever make it to the end a 3rd time. Unimpressive cheap strings like they have on Tangents, and I dislike vocals in general. Even the choral parts are boring. I yet have to test the Dream Mixes style to see if I like that. Well, TT vol.15-16 should be enough of a testbed. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35164 Re: Evolution of the Tangs - dark TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Fri 8/2/2002 3 KB 35167 Re: Evolution of the Tangs - dark John Vertical Fri 8/2/2002 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 9:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] At Darwin's Motel lyrics mystery revealed >Hello all, > >Sorry if this is already discussed, (I'm new to this group) but I've >seen people were asking about the meaning of lyrics from 'At Darwin's >motel'. >The truth is, the sample is in Sanskrit, it is a Dhyaana Shloka, >invocation song of Hindu goddess Lakshmi, goddesss of wealth and >prosperity. You can find the whole thing at >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/2627/tstotmal.html > >the lines you are interested in are: > >vande padmakaraaM prasannavadanaaM saubhaagyadaaM bhaagyadaaM. >hastaabhyaamabhayapradaaM maNigaNairnaanaa vidhairbhuushhitaam. > >The translation would be: > >'I salute the Goddess, who bears lotus flowers in hands, who is of >smiling face, bestower of all fortunes, whose hands are ready to >rescue anyone from fear, who is adorned by various ornaments with >precious stones.' Indeed, you're revelaing the mystery a 2nd time. But how can the solution be different? We already got a proof it's Mongolese... see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/message/33387 John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35203 Re: At Darwin's Motel lyrics mystery revealed Michael W Daniels Sat 8/3/2002 2 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 9:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Evolution of the Tangs - dark >I've discovered 3 lacking things so far: >1) Dark sections. Dolphin Dance on Livemiles was the last to get even near >dark (no pun intended), the last _really_ dark piece was Horizon. Crystal >Curfew or the likes are not even close. > Terve John, I would tend to disagree (but then moods in music are always somewhat subjective, aren´t they ? ;-)) Example: what about 'The Red Blood Connection', off 'The Seven Letters..'? IMHO, this is one of the darkest tracks in TD´s history (and I´m a goth-rocker, so I should know... ;-)) - this would easily fit as a soundtrack to a movie like 'Bram Stoker´s Dracula'. Also, what, in your opinion, is so dark about Dolphin Dance? Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35167 Re: Evolution of the Tangs - dark John Vertical Fri 8/2/2002 2 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 9:27 am Subject: Wade Gordon + TD Rarities I have to say that Wade Gordon is really doing a great thing for EM and Tangerine Dream. I am hearing stories about how people won't leave their car because the music is moving them in such a way. Wade had an EM format that works very well and I hope it continues to gain support. So I hope you can tune into Wade and support his cause. He's the EM Man! To get to him goto www.ricochetdream.com and click on the RADIO link. I believe that TD will be on his show within the next few weeks? -------------- Now for the hardcore fans... I have added some mega rarities to my Music website.. Only the hardcore fans will know why these items are so expensive - and there is no hurry to sell. But at least you'll know where those gems are available - just in case the urge comes up :) VicRek From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 9:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Evolution of the Tangs Hi Pete, let's take up your argument from here... > I would like peoples opinion on the Tangs evolution over the past 30+ > years .I must admit to enjoying the first two decades more than latter > releases .I think they simply aged better . > > The sounds on Melrose and other albums around the Korg keyboard (was > it Korg ?yes it was , just checked :))phase seem to sound older and > less sophisticated than the earlier stuff !!???? The sounds from > earlier albums seem timeless to me and I always noticed the lack of > anything that would suggest a *real* instrument (guitars not > included)By that I mean a keyboard sound trying to be an Oboe perhaps > ? and that was kinda cool as it rooted TD firmly in the electronic > field . However they seem now to have gone for an all out 'Orchestral' > sound on 'Inferno' and various other tracks in recent albums (The > seven Letters , Ambient Monkeys etc)and this seems kinda cheap > sounding because to me (I`m not really a muso so its only an opinion) > the unique classy sound that TD always had has now merged into a wishy > washy 'this could be anybody' kind of sound ,it doesn't`t stand on a > pedestal anymore . I suspect that this has someting to do with TD's intentions when the group was first set up as compared with their agenda now. If the various biographies are to be believed, TD set out to use music as a vehicle for mood and surrealist expression - 'painting with music', essentially. In the permissive musical setting of the late 60s and early 70s, this was probably a feasible agenda, and the group's use of instruments and sounds reflected this undertaking. They began to use synthesisers instead of traditional elements in order to 'paint' sounds straight from their imagination instead of relying on the use or imitation of existing instruments. They eschewed traditional musical structures for the sake of a more expressive, organic sound that used mood to replace melody. So, like a few other musicians at the time, they were very experimental and pushed the boundaries in terms of sound research and musical structures. And then, gradually, others jumped onto the bandwagon, commercially and musically. From the late 70s to the early 90s, synthesisers became so popular that they rapidly evolved from being daunting voltage- controlled organisms, which often had a mind of their own and would be used only by the most daring of musicians, to being impressive 'workstations', which had hundreds or even thousands of pre-set sounds, and which, thanks to robust digital technology, were able to store and reproduce these sounds faithfully every time the musician needed them. From a technological point of view, this is great. For a performing musician, it's a fantastic tool (and just see how relieved TD themselves were when digital synthesisers finally put an end to their mammoth tuning sessions). But for a group whose sound had been defined to a large extent by the creation of brand new sounds and experimentation with volatile technology, the swamping of the sonic market with infinitely reproducible libraries of sounds must be rather limiting. A second point about the technological and commercial development of TD and the world around them is, of course, that the manufacturers of synthesisers and keyboards - in the knowledge that TD were to a large degree responsible for the popularity of these instruments since the 70s - now seem to give them their newest models to use and 'advertise' in their music. Someone else on this list once quoted Edgar as saying that he didn't want to stray too far away from factory presets any more because the manufacturers expected their sounds to be audible on the record. This is probably one of the reasons why you spot so many familiar sounds on TD albums from the 80s onwards. Musically, the case is hardly different. There have been countless musical directions and styles springing up since TD first started out, and many of them were at least influenced by TD. And, of course, there have been those who have tried to recreate TD more directly - from the bedroom musician who has been inspired by TD's music to produce music of his/her own to those who are 'TD tribute bands' in all but name. Personally, I agree that the more recent releases may no longer sound as fresh and timeless as those when TD were still truly at the cutting edge of technological and musical development. However, to produce a fine album like 'Mars Polaris' against the changed technological and musical background witnesses a lot of artistic competence, and the willingness to branch out into other styles (e.g., most recently, Inferno or the Seven Letters) shows a lot of courage. Many people on the list disagreed when I mentioned this before, but I still do think that it is extremely difficult these days, given the background I've just described, to produce anything that is (perceived to be) anywhere near as ground-breaking as the work TD did back in the 70s. I realise that, for any artist, the feasibility of the new and radical is an indispensable belief, and I do accept that there is a lot of interesting music out there even now. But due to the sheer quantity of sounds and music out there, I think we have reached a point of saturation, where even the most creative of new acts will have a reduced impact on us. It's a bit like McDonald's chucking some ginger into a burger and calling it China McSo-and-so. It's sort of new, but it's no longer very exciting because there are so many similar things all around it. As for TD, I continue to be amazed by their staying power and I really like some of their recent albums (e.g. Goblins' Club, Mars Polaris, Seven Letters), which I think have seome real vision to them - even though, of course, it no longer stands out as much and thus has little chance of being made Peel's Record of the Year without any previous airplay. Dennis From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 9:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Evolution of the Tangs - dark >Example: what about 'The Red Blood >Connection', off 'The Seven Letters..'? I haven't heard 7 Letters yet, so I can't comment on that. Hmm, sounds promising... >Also, what, in your opinion, is so dark about Dolphin Dance? The remix at end of Livemiles: West Berlin Concert, not the US version. Especially after that harpsichord or whatsit section, when the bass sequence begins, sounds somewhat dark, and so does the finale. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: Marion Horrod Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 9:38 am Subject: Re: Shivers Hey, Ed, interesting list. Thanks for reminding me about Santana and Al Stewart. I'm off to dig out some old vinyl! LnH Marion From: Marion Horrod Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 9:41 am Subject: : Re: Re: list maintenance Dale wrote: 'I prefer day month year.' But YYYYMMDD is easier for sorting purposes. (Yes I know you can get round this without too much hassle, but why not do things the easiest way?) LnH Marion From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 10:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Evolution of the Tangs >From a technological point of view, this is great. For a performing >musician, it's a fantastic tool (and just see how relieved TD themselves >were when digital synthesisers finally put an end to their mammoth >tuning sessions). But for a group whose sound had been defined to a >large extent by the creation of brand new sounds and experimentation >with volatile technology, the swamping of the sonic market with >infinitely reproducible libraries of sounds must be rather limiting. Well, I guess Edgar himself is rather satisfied with his output, but that's not the question - instead, I think we were collecting the fans' opinions... >Many people on the list disagreed when I mentioned this before, but I >still do think that it is extremely difficult these days, given the >background I've just described, to produce anything that is (perceived to >be) anywhere near as ground-breaking as the work TD did back in the >70s. I realise that, for any artist, the feasibility of the new and radical >is >an indispensable belief, and I do accept that there is a lot of interesting >music out there even now. But due to the sheer quantity of sounds and >music out there, I think we have reached a point of saturation, where >even the most creative of new acts will have a reduced impact on us. I don't disagree, quite the opposite instead. The development of the 'industrial art' and the most extreme of experimentations caused by a falldown of several taboos during the previous century has caused this situation what Ben Akiba would be rather pleased with: 'Nothing new under the sun'. Of course, everything has not been done, but finding something similar is now possible more easily. I have a vision that could lead to something original: 1) develop a program that can code a piece of music into a grayscale picture and vice versa 2) initially create the music graphically out of random data passed through a few dozen Photoshop filters and only after that transform it into an auditive form for the final editing Some real artist could probably tell me how feasible / new this idea is, but I still am afraid that producing something else than boring rainbow noise would be very hard. Isn't it really interesting, that the more information (=less repetitivity) there is in any form of communication, the more it resembles complete chaos? I think there's a rather challenging philosophical dilemma involved in this, but I'm not able to fully grasp it yet... We'll see after I've gone through the basics of information theory. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: 'michael_berling' Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 10:35 am Subject: Re: TDI Releases # 23,24,25 --- In tadream@y..., TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > At 18:12 01.08.02 , you wrote: > >Today I went through my TDI releases and I found a gap between issue 22 and > >26. Is there any information available regarding release 23, 24 and 25? > > > >Thank you > >René Brenner > > > > Good point. Here´s the story: > 23, 24 and 25 were reserved for the reissues of the Private Music Releases > (Optical, Lily, Melrose) in the database of our distributor. For economic > reasons ( the market was still flooded with budget price copies of the > first issues), we decided to postpone the rerelease indefinitely until they > would be suffieciently long off the market to create a new demand. We have > left the numbers reserved in the database as we do plan to rerelease those > albums sometime in the future. > > Hope this explanation helps to stop a few heads from pondering ;-) > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak The complete list of TDI releases can be found in 'Voices In The Net', including some remarks about the missing numbers, and including the unnumbered releases, too. Anyway, when editing that list, I supposed that there were some copyright problems with the Private Music entries (AFAIR there were some rumours saying this), but now Martin has shed some light on this -- thanks! Direkt link to the list in VitN: http://home.t-online.de/home/320068467926-0001/___tdica.htm Regards Michael From: 'zathrus13' Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 11:53 am Subject: Does anyone have these KS ROIO's to trade??? I am looking for the following Klaus concert recordings to trade for: Klaus Schulze - 09/08/99 Kickzone Festival Klaus Schulze - 23/09/91 Valencia Actually, I would like to get any/all of the 1991 tour in Spain. If anyone has these or would just like to trade in general, please contact me at jmisner13@l... Thanks - Jeff From: 'Greg' Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 12:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Evolution of the Tangs You miss and issue here in regards to the difference between visual and auditory art. Visual art is perceived all at once whereas auditory art is experienced over a set limit of time. If I were to take a picture of scene by the ocean with trees, a sky, and a sun bather, how would you convey that in a piece of audio? When would the sky end and the ocean start? This is why music that tries to paint a picture is basically music with numerous layers running at once. Nevertheless, we experience things singularly, meaning our eyes usually focus on one thing at a time. That scanning motion is something that is perceived through a certain amount of time, and thus can be 'experienced' in a musical form. I'd love to see what would be made of such an idea.. I can only imagine what music could try to do with art, like Pierre Bonnard's work.. incredible visual subtlety in an attempt to recapture that single momentary perception of seeing something new. I am constantly trying to reverse this idea, to convert a piece of music into a visual form. It is not easy, and there has not been an artist in the past that I have seen that has done it in a satisfactory way IMO. I once thought that percussion could be brush stroke.. repetition. Melody could be an unbroken flowing line (like a visual equalizer), and that each sound had a particular tonal value.. dark and light sounds equate to dark and light visual information. I think it's hackneyed, but most art these days is anyway.. good luck trying to do something new. Greg H. > I don't disagree, quite the opposite instead. The development of the > 'industrial art' and the most extreme of experimentations caused by a > falldown of several taboos during the previous century has caused this > situation what Ben Akiba would be rather pleased with: 'Nothing new under > the sun'. > Of course, everything has not been done, but finding something similar is > now possible more easily. > > I have a vision that could lead to something original: > 1) develop a program that can code a piece of music into a grayscale picture > and vice versa > 2) initially create the music graphically out of random data passed through > a few dozen Photoshop filters and only after that transform it into an > auditive form for the final editing > > Some real artist could probably tell me how feasible / new this idea is, but > I still am afraid that producing something else than boring rainbow noise > would be very hard. > > Isn't it really interesting, that the more information (=less repetitivity) > there is in any form of communication, the more it resembles complete chaos? > I think there's a rather challenging philosophical dilemma involved in this, > but I'm not able to fully grasp it yet... We'll see after I've gone through > the basics of information theory. > > John Vertical From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 12:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Visualizing Music >You miss and issue here in regards to the difference between visual and >auditory art. Visual art is perceived all at once whereas auditory art is >experienced over a set limit of time. No no, the point was not to transform pictures into music - it was to edit music with a graphical interface. Like a step futher on from the basic waveform view... > > I have a vision that could lead to something original: > > 1) develop a program that can code a piece of music into a grayscale >picture > > and vice versa > > 2) initially create the music graphically out of random data passed >through > > a few dozen Photoshop filters and only after that transform it into an > > auditive form for the final editing > > > > Some real artist could probably tell me how feasible / new this idea is, >but > > I still am afraid that producing something else than boring rainbow >noise > > would be very hard. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35175 Re: Visualizing Music Greg Fri 8/2/2002 4 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 12:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Visualizing Music Ok I see what you are saying! So I assume you would start with a rectangular or squareish 'canvas' by which music would be visualized into an abstract composition. From here, as in what you said before, you would have a greyscale image.. and the tonal values of say white would equate to 16K whereas black could be in the 60 hz range. One would have a 'brush' and the object would to actually compose an interesting composition of lights and darks (as any good painting would be) and it would then be converted back to musical form to wishfully be a better piece of music.. I would though think the visual form of music would actually convert into a very pattern like image. You could take this a step further and have music critiqued in its visual form and maybe how good a piece of music is would translate into how well it creates a visual composition. Greg H. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 5:32 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Visualizing Music > >You miss and issue here in regards to the difference between visual and > >auditory art. Visual art is perceived all at once whereas auditory art is > >experienced over a set limit of time. > > > No no, the point was not to transform pictures into music - it was to edit > music with a graphical interface. Like a step futher on from the basic > waveform view... > > > > > I have a vision that could lead to something original: > > > 1) develop a program that can code a piece of music into a grayscale > >picture > > > and vice versa > > > 2) initially create the music graphically out of random data passed > >through > > > a few dozen Photoshop filters and only after that transform it into an > > > auditive form for the final editing > > > > > > Some real artist could probably tell me how feasible / new this idea is, > >but > > > I still am afraid that producing something else than boring rainbow > >noise > > > would be very hard. > > John Vertical > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Jonathan Holt Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 2:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dark Side of the Moog I hve the first DSOM - it is very wonderful. The only complaint (if it is a complaint) is that some of the track breaks seem almost random... --- vic rek wrote: > I've been listening over the last few days to the > various 'Dark Side of the > Moog' releases by Pete Namlook and Klaus Schulze. I > was picking them up as > they came out - listened to them - liked them - then > kind of forgot about > them - UNTIL - 'The Evolution of The Dark Side of > the Moog' came out! This > is a great compilation (or best of?) of the first 8 > DSOM CDs! I highly > recommend this release - track 4 & 8 really sent > 'shivers' down my spine > (oh - wrong thread). And if you need the DSOM IX > lastest release, I have a > few for sale. I wonder how the TD fans would rank > these releases? > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Jonathan Holt Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 2:36 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Cyclone lyrics, story That '...but we can take you far beyond > that door' verse always > associates for me with a certain mysterious bug in a > certain game; when I > heard BCSW for the first time, I was exploring that > bug. > Trying to spot the reference: Jet Set Willy/2 on the old ZX Spectrum? ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 3:53 pm Subject: RE: The Stone Here's what I got: The Stone is found Which is sustained with bile from which is grown a fire volatile When all the ?lovable? Stone itself is made But there is a white and great and narrow faith It's called the Stone, and yet is no stone And in that Stone There Nature works around Apart from that the ?may sticks? sometimes flow Is Wisdom rather a _______ also? (also) (also) >http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/The Stone.mp3 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35185 Re: The Stone Owens, James Fri 8/2/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 3:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Evolution of the Tangs Dark to me means playing in minor keys. I bet you might be refereing to 'Dark' as a emotion? Dale From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 4:08 pm Subject: TT2 Update Hey Folks! Unbeknownst to some, we've been busy little bees back here in the shop, cranking out SHN files, and getting them to key people. We are almost ready to announce the tree structure (it will be this weekend!). I'm posting a new PDF file with the latest pre-branch-assignment status. This is the current version of all your info: http://www.tadream.net/tree/tt2.pdf If there is a correction needed, let us know NOW. (thank you) DOWNLOADERS: We're leaving the server policies up to each owner. I have my FTP server set to allow 2 concurrent logins due to my upload speed limitations. Anyone can log in and I'm not worried about filtering stuff. If you cannot get in it is because both slots are filled. If you are using Internet Explorer, you should be able to connect to: ftp://TT2:froese@2... ftp host: 24.51.35.43 username: TT2 password: froese If you are disconnected during a download, wait a few moments to reconnect and you should be able to resume the download. NOTE: Only SHN discs 4-7 are complete on the FTP site. The files in SHN D3 and D8 are complete, but there are files missing. I will be repartitioning my hard drive tonight so all 8 discs of the SHN are accessible. NOTE 2: You only need download the 'new' text files. The old ones have some errors in them. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35183 Re: TT2 Update maggior Fri 8/2/2002 4 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 4:11 pm Subject: TT2 Downloads I forgot to mention, you will need to disable PASV (Passive) mode in your FTP client. If you are using CuteFTP, after you have created an FTP site/account for my site, click the 'Edit' button at the bottom and click the 'PASV' checkbox twice or until there is no checkmark. There may be troubles with the web access because of the above issue (web browsers assume PASV), but I may be able to correct this tomorrow. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35497 TT2 Downloads Morgan Feldon Tue 8/13/2002 2 KB 35534 TT2 Downloads Klaus Beschorner Wed 8/14/2002 3 KB From: ampmusic Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 4:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest 1438 'The Stone' > Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 11:13:05 +0300 > From: 'John Vertical' > Subject: Re: Digest Number 1435 > > >But I'd be interested to hear whether anyone can work out what THIS vocoded > >introduction is saying...or find the original text... > > > >http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/The Stone.mp3 > > Well, sounds like: > > The Stone is found > which is an estainment (?) for (a / Al / all) > > For (which is crooked / witch is a Rook) > and (by / buy / why) a qualifying > > For all above circles (or something...) > the Stone itself it's playing > > But there is a (white / wide) > and (weight / wave) > at narrow (faith / weight) > > It's called a Stone > and yet, he's no stone > and in that stone can adventure works of [something] > > Look out for (or 'above'?) matter things > it's a [something] glow > it was involved in a [something] of circles... circles... circles... > > What was this, anyway? > > John Vertical That was a good guess! About 50% of the way there :-) Anyway, you were winning, until this one came along... > Message: 25 > Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:53:19 -0500 > From: 'Owens, James' > Subject: RE: The Stone > > Here's what I got: > > The Stone is found > Which is sustained with bile > from which is grown > a fire volatile > > When all the ?lovable? > Stone itself is made > > But there is a white and great > and narrow faith > > It's called the Stone, > and yet is no stone > And in that Stone > There Nature works around > > Apart from that the ?may sticks? > sometimes flow > > Is Wisdom rather a _______ also? (also) (also) > > >http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/The Stone.mp3 Even better! About 65%...I thought it was much less intelligble than that. If you want to try reading a bit more about the CD before trying the MP3, go to the top of; http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/albums.html Wouter Bessels in 'Background' magazine (Netherlands) recently wrote, 'Just think of a combination of recent Ashra material, Mike Oldfield and Eighties style Tangerine Dream and Jarre, with a little bit of modern e-m in some places. A great CD to play in your car when you're heading for a long distance, as 'Sequencer Loops' will satisfy you for over an hour. Highly recommended!' Any more guesses about those words? :-) From: 'maggior' Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 5:39 pm Subject: Re: TT2 Update Folks - I'm on vacation next week and won't have access to a computer again until 8/12. So, if you send me an email because I am your supplier (assuming I'm assigned a branch role) for TT2 and I don't respond immediately, it's because I am on vacation, not because I'm being unresponsive. As soon as I get back, I will resopond to any email regarding the tree. I already have my artwork printed, cut out, and inserted into jewel cases. I am eager to get things moving so I can add the CDs! Thanks! Rich Maggio --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > Hey Folks! > > Unbeknownst to some, we've been busy little bees back here in the shop, > cranking out SHN files, and getting them to key people. We are almost ready > to announce the tree structure (it will be this weekend!). > > I'm posting a new PDF file with the latest pre-branch-assignment status. > > This is the current version of all your info: > http://www.tadream.net/tree/tt2.pdf > > If there is a correction needed, let us know NOW. (thank you) > > DOWNLOADERS: > > We're leaving the server policies up to each owner. I have my FTP server > set to allow > 2 concurrent logins due to my upload speed limitations. Anyone can log in > and I'm not worried about filtering stuff. If you cannot get in it is > because both slots > are filled. If you are using Internet Explorer, you should be able to > connect to: > > ftp://TT2:froese@2... > > ftp host: 24.51.35.43 > username: TT2 > password: froese > > If you are disconnected during a download, wait a few moments to reconnect > and you should be able to resume the download. > > NOTE: Only SHN discs 4-7 are complete on the FTP site. The files in SHN D3 > and D8 are complete, but there are files missing. I will be repartitioning > my hard drive tonight so all 8 discs of the SHN are accessible. > > NOTE 2: You only need download the 'new' text files. The old ones have some > errors in them. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Phil White' Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 5:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dark Side of the Moog Vic Couldn't agree more that the Evolution album is a cracker ! Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: 'vic rek' To: 'TD List' Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:38 AM Subject: [tadream] Dark Side of the Moog > I've been listening over the last few days to the various 'Dark Side of the > Moog' releases by Pete Namlook and Klaus Schulze. I was picking them up as > they came out - listened to them - liked them - then kind of forgot about > them - UNTIL - 'The Evolution of The Dark Side of the Moog' came out! This > is a great compilation (or best of?) of the first 8 DSOM CDs! I highly > recommend this release - track 4 & 8 really sent 'shivers' down my spine > (oh - wrong thread). And if you need the DSOM IX lastest release, I have a > few for sale. I wonder how the TD fans would rank these releases? > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 6:36 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: The Stone I'm starting to guess that this is a reference to the 'adamant stone' or the 'adamas stone' as cited in the 'Aberdeen Bestiary', an ancient text, whose translation can be found at: http://www.clues.abdn.ac.uk:8080/besttest/alt/comment/best_toc.html There is no exact text similar to this, but the text starting at 93v talks about the fire-bearing stones (Adam and Eve) and the adamas stone, which the text compares to Christ. I'd guess the text for 'The Stone' was taken from a book covering this idea in more detail. James -----Original Message----- From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:53 AM To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' Subject: [tadream] RE: The Stone Here's what I got: The Stone is found Which is sustained with bile from which is grown a fire volatile When all the ?lovable? Stone itself is made But there is a white and great and narrow faith It's called the Stone, and yet is no stone And in that Stone There Nature works around Apart from that the ?may sticks? sometimes flow Is Wisdom rather a _______ also? (also) (also) >http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/The Stone.mp3 From: thesmitter@j... Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 3:06 am Subject: Re:Re: [tadream] Dark Side of the Moog I have all 9 DSOtM releases, but not 'Evolution...'. I tend to change my mind on which I like the best. Right now the most recent one, IX, is probably my favorite - it's very good. But that could change. Overall, I think later releases are better than earlier releases in the series, imo. Larry I hve the first DSOM - it is very wonderful. The only complaint (if it is a complaint) is that some of the track breaks seem almost random... --- vic rek wrote: > I've been listening over the last few days to the > various 'Dark Side of the > Moog' releases by Pete Namlook and Klaus Schulze. I > was picking them up as > they came out - listened to them - liked them - then > kind of forgot about > them - UNTIL - 'The Evolution of The Dark Side of > the Moog' came out! This > is a great compilation (or best of?) of the first 8 > DSOM CDs! I highly > recommend this release - track 4 & 8 really sent > 'shivers' down my spine > (oh - wrong thread). And if you need the DSOM IX > lastest release, I have a > few for sale. I wonder how the TD fans would rank > these releases? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 8:12 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Cyclone RPG reference [severely OT] >Trying to spot the reference: Jet Set Willy/2 on the >old ZX Spectrum? No no, it's not a game of the late 70s or whenever 'old ZX' was around- I was born in 85 (like Super Mario and Hearbreakers OST) and got Cyclone yet this January. If you're interested, the game's Legend of Zelda III for Super Nintendo; the bug allows you to warp from one dungeon to any another by walking under the floor... (kewl :) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 10:56 pm Subject: Old Virgins and Cyc-BR for trade Hi folks, Well I have just accidentally found a lot of SBMs in a store, and... well... I've kind of completed my SBM collection ;) - by far my 'hugest' cd purchase in one day - and they also had Man-Machine! :) Now I have all the SBMs indeed, even Thief and Logos which seem to be a bit harder to find. np Tangram. As I suspected, the sound quality wasn't light years away from the old cds, and well, I now have some spare TD CDs, which are playing perfectly and in an overall good shape (CDs and booklets etc). I don't really think people need them, but hey, maybe there is. I'm looking for original CDs of people like Schulze, Ashra, TD, Can, Faust, etc, something else you can maybe offer. Also, I have yet another Cyclone made in Brazil. So if anyone needs them, here's the list: Phaedra; Rubycon; Cyclone; Tangram; White Eagle (NOT bronzed! ;) Hyperborea; and the Brazilian SBM Cyclone. I'd like to get rid of them really, so probably tomorrow afternoon I'll put them for sale in a friend's store (he usually has TD and he used to buy the records when they came out). Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 5:40 am Subject: Beatle's Quote & Warsaw I hear it too!! Fantastic spot Ivan! The notes played at 11.48 reminded me of it especially. Tribute or co-incidence? Also, has anyone ever noticed that the tom-tom pattern from Going West can be heard very low in the mix during certain parts of Warsaw In The Sun? - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Ivan Yerkedoff To: Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 3:46 PM Subject: [tadream] Beatle's Quote? > Hi all. Is it me or is there a quote from the Beatle's > Hard Day's Night on TT1 Nottingham Track 3 starting at > 11:24 min's into it and again at 11:48? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35196 Re: Beatle's Quote & Warsaw John Vertical Sat 8/3/2002 2 KB 35200 Re: Beatle's Quote & Warsaw Chris Owen Sat 8/3/2002 3 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 7:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Evolution of the Tangs Seeing as you've raised this John, I personally fell that as well as being a magnificent composition, 'Comet's Figure Head' is a surprisingly dark piece, perhaps their darkest for 10 years. I would agree with you on most of the points you have made. In the 70s, it wasn't just TD's use of sequencers which made them great, but how they built layers of both deep and beautiful sound around those sequencers. It was important how they incorporated their sequencers into longer pieces, making the sequence part of the track at various points rather than merely establishing a sequence and playing along to it. Even in the improvised concerts of the mid 70s, there was always a strong sense of composition in TD's music. Over a period of up to half an hour, tracks would build gradually layer upon layer, would often reach some kind of extended crescendo, before being brought to a gradual close. This structure is evident in tracks from the 80s and 90s too, although in a far more disciplined fashion (Three Bikes In The Sky, Electric Lion, Marakesh, Vanishing Blue, Long Island Sunset, Red Roadster). After Johannes joined, TD began to vary the structure and sytle of their compositions a lot during the 1980s. There were lots of short, commercial tracks with more traditional intro/chorus/verse/chorus/middle8/chorus type structure (Streethawk, Warsaw In The Sun, Choronzon, Polish Dance, Dominion, Rare Bird, Alexander Square), but they also produced a lot of pieces which showcased true compositional flair and tracks were structured in their natural way with no regard to commercial interests or traditional song-writing (Horizon, Poland, Song Of The Whale, most of Hyperborea, second half of Logos Part 1, Alchemy Of The Heart, Yellowstone Park) Their use of sequencers in the way in which they were used in the past is limited now, but the past is the past, and as much as we treasure his massive contribution, when Chris Franke left, TD's music changed. But that's exactly the point. TD's output always reflects the personnel who are in the band at any one point. When Franke left, it wasn't a case of getting a new guy in to do what he did, to compose sequences, etc. Whoever was to replace him didn't necessarily have to be a sequencing expert. They just needed to bring their natural talent to the band. When Paul Haslinger joined, he brought different things than Chris Franke to the band, as did Jerome, as had Johannes before him. So TD's lack of sequencers throughout the 90s is a direct result of the evolution of their music (for better or worse), brought about by changes in personnel. There are sequences in some of TD's music nowadays, but they're usually limited to very short loops and phrases, and aren't there to provide the same kind of driving impetus like in Mojave Plan or parts of Logos. But who wants a band of this longevity to continually produce music based on the same format? One of the things I love about TD's music is it's sheer variety. If I want to hear sequencer-dominated pieces, I can put on Nottingham 1976, if I want to hear something powerful and evocative I can play Song Of The Whale, if I want something impossibly beautiful and moving I can play Alchemy Of The Heart, or I can listen to dance music on Dream Mixes, or the compositional discipline of Tangram. Sequencers played a vital role in TD's music, forming the rhythmical basis for those improvised 30 minute masterpieces of many a 1976 concert, but an artist must move on and explore different styles of writing. But hey, one of Edgar's philosophies is the fact that everything he sees in fashions, styles, approaches to creativity, etc, turns in circles and cycles, so maybe TD will one day become sequencer based again! - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: John Vertical To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:53 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Evolution of the Tangs > >I would like peoples opinion on the Tangs evolution over the past 30+ years > >.I must admit to enjoying the first two decades more than latter releases > >.I > >think they simply aged better . > > > Agree. In the 70s TD were The Leaders in the field of EM; I mean, if you > were the first to employ a sequence, how could anyone say that was not > pioneering? > In the 80s they still were innovative, but I think this was moreso thanks to > the 'new blood'. The slow descent started after Franke left... Even though I > like the Melrose Years and some albums off the Seattle Years (220V, GC, but > NOT Rockoon), they don't sound too remarkable. Nice melodies and > soundscapes, but it simply lacks something. > > I've discovered 3 lacking things so far: > 1) Dark sections. Dolphin Dance on Livemiles was the last to get even near > dark (no pun intended), the last _really_ dark piece was Horizon. Crystal > Curfew or the likes are not even close. > 2) Interesting background ambience. In eg. Poland or White Eagle, the > backgrounds are incredibly varying and interesting; this allows the music to > be examined from different viewpoints. The latter stuff has nothing but > these same old choral, symphonical or synthetic hums over and over again. > Real gems are rarities, not the standard. > 3) Interesting sequencing. Chris was always the sequence mastermind, I > think; that's probably why there's so much drum patches and the like after > he left. Take The Midnight Trail for instance: it's a nice piece, but no > real sequencing. Of course, there are exceptions, eg. Waterborne, but again: > catchy sequencing is a rarity, not the standard anymore. > > > >The sounds on Melrose and other albums around the Korg keyboard (was it > >Korg > >?yes it was , just checked :))phase seem to sound older and less > >sophisticated than the earlier stuff !!???? > > > Gee, *this* is some service! My question gets answered before I even have > asked it! I had wondered for some time now what instrument this nice > ever-reappearing Melrose Years keyboard sound is... > > > >The sounds from earlier albums > >seem timeless to me and I always noticed the lack of anything that would > >suggest a *real* instrument (guitars not included)By that I mean a keyboard > >sound trying to be an Oboe perhaps ? and that was kinda cool as it rooted > >TD > >firmly in the electronic field . > > > Timeless indeed. But back then, synths were generally still very primitive, > and able to produce mostly sounds like that; who knows, after some 100 years > that soundset might be thought to actually belong to the earliest EM: thus, > not timeless. > > > >However they seem now to have gone for an > >all out 'Orchestral' sound on 'Inferno' and various other tracks in recent > >albums (The seven Letters , Ambient Monkeys etc)and this seems kinda cheap > >sounding because to me (I`m not really a muso so its only an opinion) the > >unique classy sound that TD always had has now merged into a wishy washy > >'this could be anybody' kind of sound ,it doesn't`t stand on a pedestal > >anymore . > > > I agree. TD was a leading and innovative group up to at least the end of the > 80s, but lately, they've lost their edge. Mars Polaris was my second TD > album, but even though I like Oasis, I really dislike MP. Originally I was > going to write 'absolutely hate' but then I remembered that there in fact > are some nice movements on Comet's Figure Head, Outland and Astrophobia. The > rest sucks. Oasis had a small flaw about disposability of themes; a theme > appears only once, with only slight or no variation. In MP this is taken > somewhat further... yuck. I'm probably not even going to try Great Wall of > China if I don't learn to like that style. > > I've listened through TT3 two times, and I don't think I'll ever make it to > the end a 3rd time. Unimpressive cheap strings like they have on Tangents, > and I dislike vocals in general. Even the choral parts are boring. > > I yet have to test the Dream Mixes style to see if I like that. Well, TT > vol.15-16 should be enough of a testbed. > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'simonfay2001' Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 12:30 am Subject: Klaus Krieger/Kruger, Steve Jolliffe/Joliffe, Black Lung Heiko asked about KK's 'One is One' recently - anyone able to supply info on what kind of bag this record is in? And why is the 'Cyclone' drummer's name rendered so differently in different places? Surely an umlaut over the 'u' in Kruger doesn't force a pronunciation of the vowel as 'ie'? Have got the gorgeous 'Journeys Out Of The Body' and the watery drippy 'Japanese Butterfly' by 'Cyclone'-wizard Steve J - has he done anything else worth crossing the road for? Anyone here familiar with Australian synth act Black Lung and able to recommend? thanks SF (enduring a forced diet of BBC Radio 2, Jean Michel Jarre & The Macc Lads in heavy rotation) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35192 AW: [tadream] Klaus Krieger/Kruger, Steve Jolliff Herbert Sat 8/3/2002 2 KB 35195 Re: Klaus Krieger/Kruger, Steve Jolliffe/Joliffe, John Marchington Sat 8/3/2002 3 KB From: 'Herbert' Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 12:41 am Subject: AW: [tadream] Klaus Krieger/Kruger, Steve Jolliffe/Joliffe, Black Lung > Have got the gorgeous 'Journeys Out Of The Body' and the watery > drippy 'Japanese Butterfly' by 'Cyclone'-wizard Steve J - has he done > anything else worth crossing the road for? > My favourite Steve J's one is Zanzi. Herbert From: ampmusic Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 2:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1439 > > Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:36:04 -0500 > From: 'Owens, James' > RE: The Stone > > I'm starting to guess that this is a reference to the 'adamant stone' or the > 'adamas stone' as cited in the 'Aberdeen Bestiary', an ancient text... > > James > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:53 AM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: [tadream] RE: The Stone > > Here's what I got: > > The Stone is found > Which is sustained with bile > from which is grown > a fire volatile > > When all the ?lovable? > Stone itself is made > > But there is a white and great > and narrow faith > > It's called the Stone, > and yet is no stone > And in that Stone > There Nature works around > > Apart from that the ?may sticks? > sometimes flow > > Is Wisdom rather a _______ also? (also) (also) > > http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/The Stone.mp3 > http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/albums.html That's interesting stuff, but the actual content is more about alchemy than religion (though I know there are links, mostly symbolic, between the two subjects). Anyway, closest person to the actual words gets the first copy off the presses of the new Harald Grosskopf CD, which is nothing to do with either subject, but everything to do with big piles of synthesizers and drum machines :-) From: Joe Shoults Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 4:42 am Subject: OT: signs my son is browsing through the 'Signs' website - the movie 'Signs' with Mel Gibson. the music for the site just started, and caught my attention, and I look over and it is Paul Oakenfold, and also on the movie is The Crystal Method. thought you guys would be interested to know. when a movie has a cool music selection, that usually indicates to me that the producers have put some effort into it, and it makes the movie so much better. (haha- even a bad movie like 'The Soldier', right, Morgan? ;-) I think this idea really sunk into me when I saw the awesome movie 'Pi' (the greek letter, a movie by Darren Aronofsky (sp?), then The Matrix (which will of course, go down in history as one of the greatest movie series of all time, with kick-ass music to boot). anyhoow... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35197 Re: OT: signs Greg Sat 8/3/2002 2 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 5:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Krieger/Kruger, Steve Jolliffe/Joliffe, Black Lung You must get 'Zanzi'. It's a classic! 'Omni' is pretty good too. I agree with you about 'Journeys Out of the Body'. It's an amazing album. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'simonfay2001' To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 12:30 PM Subject: [tadream] Klaus Krieger/Kruger, Steve Jolliffe/Joliffe, Black Lung > Heiko asked about KK's 'One is One' recently - anyone able to supply > info on what kind of bag this record is in? And why is the 'Cyclone' > drummer's name rendered so differently in different places? Surely an > umlaut over the 'u' in Kruger doesn't force a pronunciation of the > vowel as 'ie'? > > Have got the gorgeous 'Journeys Out Of The Body' and the watery > drippy 'Japanese Butterfly' by 'Cyclone'-wizard Steve J - has he done > anything else worth crossing the road for? > > Anyone here familiar with Australian synth act Black Lung and able > to recommend? > > thanks > > SF (enduring a forced diet of BBC Radio 2, Jean Michel Jarre & The > Macc Lads in heavy rotation) > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 10:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Beatle's Quote & Warsaw >I hear it too!! Fantastic spot Ivan! The notes played at 11.48 reminded me >of it especially. Tribute or co-incidence? > >Also, has anyone ever noticed that the tom-tom pattern from Going West can >be heard very low in the mix during certain parts of Warsaw In The Sun? > >- Chris Which version of WitS? 7', 12' pt1 or 12' pt2? Anyways, Polish Dance has a reappearing sequence too... the drums from Kiew Mission / Choronzon. I guess some of you already have spotted this though, it's easy to hear that. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: 'Greg' Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 12:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: signs > I think this idea really > sunk into me when I saw the awesome movie 'Pi' (the greek letter, a movie by > Darren Aronofsky (sp) > anyhoow... Pi, the best movie I have ever seen, and the soundtrack which I bought is good as well! Greg H. From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 12:33 pm Subject: Steve Jolliffe It might interest some of you to know that 'Zanzi' was chosen by the American radio program 'Musical Starstreams' as one of its Top Ten albums of 1996. Sincerely, Dave Kaufman Horizon Music, Inc. www.hmnetwork.com > > > Have got the gorgeous 'Journeys Out Of The Body' and the watery > > drippy 'Japanese Butterfly' by 'Cyclone'-wizard Steve J - has he done > > anything else worth crossing the road for? > > > My favourite Steve J's one is Zanzi. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 1:43 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI Releases # 23,24,25 From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak [mailto:manager@t...] >23, 24 and 25 were reserved for the reissues of the Private Music Releases (Optical, Lily, Melrose) in the database of our distributor. For economic reasons ( the market was still flooded with budget price copies of the first issues), we decided to postpone the rerelease indefinitely until they would be suffieciently long off the market to create a new demand. We have left the numbers reserved in the database as we do plan to rerelease those albums sometime in the future. Martin: Was Miracle Mile also going to be included eventually? That was also a Private release (but since Hemdale went away, I'm sure the Lawyer-factor is pretty high on that one). - jim From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 10:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Beatle's Quote & Warsaw Hi John, It's the version which appears as part of Barbakane on Poland. I'm listening to it now. If you listen at 11.46, when Warsaw In The Sun goes into that chorus with the ascending notes, you can clearly hear the toms from Going West fade in for a short while! They aren't central in the stereo field, so you'll hear them much better in one speaker than the other, and they sound higher in pitch than on Flashpoint. You can hear them again at 13.22 when the track is coming to a close. They can also be heard during the version of Warsaw In The Sun on Valentine Wheels, from 2.12 in the same passage of the song, again slightly to one side in the stereo field, but oddly on the opposite side of the field (other speaker) to the version on Poland. - Chris > Which version of WitS? 7', 12' pt1 or 12' pt2? > > Anyways, Polish Dance has a reappearing sequence too... the drums from Kiew > Mission / Choronzon. I guess some of you already have spotted this though, > it's easy to hear that. > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 4:59 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #280 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #280 August 1, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Hemisphere, a band from Germany known for dark electronic ambient excursions. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Intruders' on the Groove label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Angst' by Klaus Schulze on the Inteam label. Hemisphere http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#aug PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Klaus Schulze Freeze Angst (Inteam) Bjorn Lynne Hyperdrive Stimuli Colony (none) Ricochet Musos Wildlife at Okefenokee Okefenokee Dreams 2001 (Neu Harmony and Groove) Robert Rich and Methane Outpost (DiN) Ian Boddy VA [Bionaut] Astral Unraveller The Gatherings (Synkronos) Interstitial Refraction Temporal Arc (Red Antenna) Matt Borghi The First Rays of This Elegy for Time (Space for Forever's Light Music) 12:00 am Hemisphere Intro Intruders (Groove) Hemisphere Solitary Life Intruders (Groove) Hemisphere Intruders Intruders (Groove) Hemisphere Fearless Intruders (Groove) Hemisphere Interllectual Freedom Intruders (Groove) Hemisphere Human Victims Intruders (Groove) Hemisphere Invaders from the True Intruders (Groove) World Hemisphere Dark Passion Intruders (Groove) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Hemisphere. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Liquid Mirror' on the Groove label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Romance 76' by Peter Baumann on the Virgin label. From: Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 6:10 pm Subject: Sony Center on auction Hello all, I have the rare CD: SONY CENTER on ebay auction: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=897545741&rd=1 Regards heiko - Mr. Optical heiko@o... www.tribute-to-ashra.de www.opticaldream.de FREE ASHRA NEWSLETTER subcribe here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35217 AW: [tadream] Sony Center on auction Herbert Sun 8/4/2002 3 KB 35220 Re: Sony Center on auction René Brenner Mon 8/5/2002 3 KB 35224 Re: Sony Center on auction heineu Mon 8/5/2002 2 KB From: Michael W Daniels Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 9:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] At Darwin's Motel lyrics mystery revealed At 12:06 PM 8/2/2002 +0300, you wrote: >Indeed, you're revelaing the mystery a 2nd time. But how can the solution be >different? We already got a proof it's Mongolese... >see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/message/33387 Sanskrit used to be spoken/used in Mongolia, especially as a religious language. So it makes sense that a Mongolian person/group could be singing Sanskrit -- it's not that different from an American group/person singing in Latin. -- Michael W. Daniels | 'The thunder was ominous-sounding, much daniels@l... | like the sound of a thin sheet of metal Department of Linguistics | being shaken backstage during the storm 218 Oxley Hall | scene in a play.' From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 10:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dark Side of the Moog Jonathan Holt wrote: > I hve the first DSOM - it is very wonderful. The only > complaint (if it is a complaint) is that some of the > track breaks seem almost random... Some of them? How about all of them. I think they only put them in so that one could use the track skip button to sort of fast forward. Notice they are all pretty much every 5 minutes (IIRC). PS Yes, another huge DSOTM fan here...I have them all _and_ the compilation...been a subscriber to Fax for years...I is still my favourite... -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 11:06 pm Subject: TT2: SHN Guide I hope this will be of some use for those who will be copying SHN sets of the Tangerine Tree over the coming months: http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/shnguide/ I'm open to suggestions on improving it. -Morgan From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 4:17 am Subject: Tree 2 FTP Other than Mark, Micke and Jim, was there anyone else needing access? I am gettting it ready right now. Since this is on DSL right now, 1 at a time. The bandwidth just isn't there for more than one at a time. Later this month, it switches to a T1 type. Also, what do you think about rar'ing the shns into many at 10 meg each? Might be easier to download and recover? This will take some time as I tested one already (vol9) told me come back and see 3 hours later. That was just to rar it into10 meg chunks. dale From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 8:36 am Subject: SHN Downloading re: breaking the SHNs into rar files. The only reason to break the SHNs into rar files is if people are having trouble with the resume feature in their FTP software. It's probably easier to just ask them to get CuteFTP rather than spend a lot of time breaking up the files. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35208 Re: SHN Downloading Robert Asmus Sun 8/4/2002 3 KB 35211 AW: [tadream] SHN Downloading Herbert Sun 8/4/2002 4 KB From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 12:23 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] SHN Downloading Another good ftp program is SmartFTP. It is free and you can get it from www.smartftp.com. It allows you to que multiple items Robert Asmus -----Original Message----- From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 4:37 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] SHN Downloading re: breaking the SHNs into rar files. The only reason to break the SHNs into rar files is if people are having trouble with the resume feature in their FTP software. It's probably easier to just ask them to get CuteFTP rather than spend a lot of time breaking up the files. -Morgan ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35211 AW: [tadream] SHN Downloading Herbert Sun 8/4/2002 4 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 4:24 pm Subject: VA Bill, speaking of VA, I saw a boxed set the other night of a trilogy... I think Mirage was one of the albums in it. Is that a good set of albums to start with as a first intro to VA? In a message dated 8/3/2002 6:26:26 PM Central Daylight Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:59:35 -0400 > From: 'Bill Fox' > Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #280 > > [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] > > EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each > Thursday > at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in > Easton, > PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. > > Show #280 August 1, 2002. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Liondream@a... Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 4:24 pm Subject: signs I think the main score is by James Newton Howard, whose work I like. He did the Wyeth Earp soundtrack which I like very much. I was looking at the cd last night, but I didn't pick it up yet though. In a message dated 8/3/2002 6:26:26 PM Central Daylight Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 00:42:06 -0400 > From: Joe Shoults > Subject: OT: signs > > my son is browsing through the 'Signs' website - the movie 'Signs' with Mel > Gibson. the music for the site just started, and caught my attention, and I > look over and it is Paul Oakenfold, and also on the movie is The Crystal > Method. thought you guys would be interested to know. when a movie has a > cool music selection, that usually indicates to me that the producers have > put some effort into it, and it makes the movie so much better. (haha- even > a bad movie like 'The Soldier', right, Morgan? ;-) I think this idea really > sunk into me when I saw the awesome movie 'Pi' (the greek letter, a movie by > Darren Aronofsky (sp?), then The Matrix (which will of course, go down in > history as one of the greatest movie series of all time, with kick-ass music > to boot). > > anyhoow... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35212 Re: signs Admin Sun 8/4/2002 4 KB From: 'Herbert' Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 4:34 pm Subject: AW: [tadream] SHN Downloading I wouldn't expect much problems with resumes doing downloads. There are several nice ftp clients available that do support resumes (see also filezilla at http://sourceforge.net/projects/filezilla/ ). The main problem is on uploads to 'servers', which mostly don't allow overwrites or resumes. Herbert > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Robert Asmus [mailto:asmus0324@c...] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 4. August 2002 14:23 > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: RE: [tadream] SHN Downloading > > > Another good ftp program is SmartFTP. It is free and you can get it > >from www.smartftp.com. It allows you to que multiple items > > Robert Asmus > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 4:37 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] SHN Downloading > > re: breaking the SHNs into rar files. > > The only reason to break the SHNs into rar files is if people > are having > > trouble with the resume feature in their FTP software. It's probably > easier > to just ask them to get CuteFTP rather than spend a lot of > time breaking > up > the files. > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 4:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] signs It was good. The hostiles took over long ago however. (ôö) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 9:24 AM Subject: [tadream] signs > I think the main score is by James Newton Howard, whose work I like. He did > the Wyeth Earp soundtrack which I like very much. I was looking at the cd > last night, but I didn't pick it up yet though. > > In a message dated 8/3/2002 6:26:26 PM Central Daylight Time, > tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 00:42:06 -0400 > > From: Joe Shoults > > Subject: OT: signs > > > > my son is browsing through the 'Signs' website - the movie 'Signs' with Mel > > Gibson. the music for the site just started, and caught my attention, and I > > look over and it is Paul Oakenfold, and also on the movie is The Crystal > > Method. thought you guys would be interested to know. when a movie has a > > cool music selection, that usually indicates to me that the producers have > > put some effort into it, and it makes the movie so much better. (haha- even > > a bad movie like 'The Soldier', right, Morgan? ;-) I think this idea really > > sunk into me when I saw the awesome movie 'Pi' (the greek letter, a movie by > > Darren Aronofsky (sp?), then The Matrix (which will of course, go down in > > history as one of the greatest movie series of all time, with kick-ass music > > to boot). > > > > anyhoow... > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 4:33 pm Subject: SmartFTP Hopefully I can save some people the agony of using SmartFTP. It's a nightmare (to me). Back to CuteFTP until someone improves upon it. If only the queing in CuteFTP weren't impossible to use. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35214 Re: SmartFTP Matthew Sawyer Sun 8/4/2002 3 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 4:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] SmartFTP From: 'Morgan Feldon' > Hopefully I can save some people the agony of using SmartFTP. > > It's a nightmare (to me). Back to CuteFTP until someone improves upon it. > If only the queing in CuteFTP weren't impossible to use. I've found the queueing in CuteFTP Pro to be a soul destroying nightmare, and CuteFTP regular version 5 has a tendency to bomb out on Win2K without even offering up an error message, but CuteFTP v4 is pretty good. Maff From: René Brenner Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 6:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] test On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 09:16:22 +0100, Nick Adams wrote: > just testing, please ignore! > > Nick test from me, sorry! From: 'paul' Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 7:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] At Darwin's Motel lyrics mystery revealed Not sure if the sample has already been identified but its from 'Hearts of Asia' by Spectrasonics .No idea about the sources Enigma have listed ? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Michael W Daniels' To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] At Darwin's Motel lyrics mystery revealed > At 12:06 PM 8/2/2002 +0300, you wrote: > >Indeed, you're revelaing the mystery a 2nd time. But how can the solution be > >different? We already got a proof it's Mongolese... > >see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/message/33387 > > Sanskrit used to be spoken/used in Mongolia, especially as a religious > language. So it makes sense that a Mongolian person/group could be singing > Sanskrit -- it's not that different from an American group/person singing > in Latin. > > -- > Michael W. Daniels | 'The thunder was ominous-sounding, much > daniels@l... | like the sound of a thin sheet of metal > Department of Linguistics | being shaken backstage during the storm > 218 Oxley Hall | scene in a play.' > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Herbert' Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 9:57 pm Subject: AW: [tadream] Sony Center on auction Hi, I assume you're posting this, because there will be a rebate for the members of this discussion group. ;-) What will it be? Herbert > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: heiko@o... [mailto:heiko@o...] > Gesendet: Samstag, 3. August 2002 20:11 > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Cc: tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com; ElectronicMusic@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: [tadream] Sony Center on auction > > > Hello all, > > I have the rare CD: SONY CENTER on ebay auction: > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=897545741&rd=1 > > Regards > heiko - Mr. Optical > heiko@o... > www.tribute-to-ashra.de > www.opticaldream.de > > FREE ASHRA NEWSLETTER subcribe here: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35220 Re: Sony Center on auction René Brenner Mon 8/5/2002 3 KB 35224 Re: Sony Center on auction heineu Mon 8/5/2002 2 KB From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 12:45 am Subject: OT:Bjorn Lynne Greetings All! I know this is not about TD but I just had to let you know about this gentleman named Bjorn Lynne.I recently picked up his new CD Colony at a used CD shop.This guy sounds incredibly like TD.I think everyone on this list would enjoy his work. He also has done music for video games.Colony reminds me alot of Mars Polaris.If you get an oppurtunity check him out. Rick Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35222 Re: OT:Bjorn Lynne Matthew Stringer Mon 8/5/2002 3 KB 35223 Re: OT:Bjorn Lynne Heiko Heerssen Mon 8/5/2002 2 KB 35232 Re: OT:Bjorn Lynne DAVKAUFMAN@a... Tue 8/6/2002 2 KB 35237 Re: OT:Bjorn Lynne Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Med Tue 8/6/2002 2 KB 35872 Re: OT:Bjorn Lynne Stein E. Finne sefinne Tue 9/3/2002 3 KB 35922 Re: OT:Bjorn Lynne Richard Stockwell Wed 9/4/2002 2 KB 35914 Re: OT:Bjorn Lynne Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media glennfolkvord Tue 9/3/2002 2 KB From: Marion Horrod Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 7:01 am Subject: Re: Evolution of the Tangs Dennis talking about the link with art reminded me of something that I like from the early years that you don't hear (or at least I don't) in the more recent releases. What I miss is the 'notes from the real world'. Examples? The pouring water on 'Aqua', the distant sheep on '3 a.m. at the borders....', the seagulls on 'Cliffs of Sydney' - there are many more. Nowadays, it seems to me, the references come only from musical sources - hints of other musical cultures, for example. What this means, for me, is that I can't lie back and make pictures in my head as I listen to the music any more. With 'old' TD (particularly late 70's), I can get as high as a kite without the aid of artificial stimulants (legal or otherwise). With 'new' TD, I just enjoy the music. What has this to do with art? Well, compare Dali and Pollock. Dali takes objects from the 'real world' - clockfaces, human forms, lobsters - puts them in a new context, deforms them, subverts them. It's powerful and disturbing (IMHO) _because_ of its links to the familiar. Pollock's work, I think, refers only to itself: what is important is _how_ it was made. (Apologies for all the IMHOs and and other qualifiers - I am neither a musician nor an artist, and feel myself to be on somewhat shaky ground here!) This is not to say I don't like the more recent material. But I do miss that old distant sheep. LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35221 Re: Evolution of the Tangs Jim Moore Mon 8/5/2002 2 KB From: René Brenner Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 8:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Sony Center on auction On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 23:57:35 +0200, Herbert wrote: > Hi, > I assume you're posting this, because there will be a rebate for the members > of this discussion group. ;-) > What will it be? > > Herbert Not really... compare the 2 auctions and look for the seller/buyer ;-) > > I have the rare CD: SONY CENTER on ebay auction: > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=897545741&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=894390361 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35224 Re: Sony Center on auction heineu Mon 8/5/2002 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 11:44 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Evolution of the Tangs >From: Marion Horrod [mailto:marion@h...] >This is not to say I don't like the more recent material. But I do miss that old distant sheep. Careful: That last phrase has a completely different meaning here in the South... - jim From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 1:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT:Bjorn Lynne BL = Dude, very cool guy, I think he's very much his own style and not just another TD clone. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 1:45 AM Subject: [tadream] OT:Bjorn Lynne > Greetings All! > > I know this is not about TD but I just had to let you know about this > gentleman named Bjorn Lynne.I recently picked up his new CD Colony at a used > CD shop.This guy sounds incredibly like TD.I think everyone on this list > would enjoy his work. > He also has done music for video games.Colony reminds me alot of Mars > Polaris.If you get an oppurtunity check him out. > > Rick > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 1:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT:Bjorn Lynne > BL = Dude, very cool guy, I think he's very much his own style and not just > another TD clone. 'Wolves of the gods' is great, excellent 'prog rock' (although it has absolutely nothing to do with TD's style) heiko From: 'heineu' Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 1:27 pm Subject: Re: Sony Center on auction Hello Rene, do you have an problem with this ? I think the item is rare and the price on ebay.de was very good for an sale. And this is an resale no more. Heiko --- In tadream@y..., René Brenner wrote: > On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 23:57:35 +0200, Herbert wrote: > > Hi, > > I assume you're posting this, because there will be a rebate for the members > > of this discussion group. ;-) > > What will it be? > > > > Herbert > > Not really... compare the 2 auctions and look for the seller/buyer ;-) > > > > I have the rare CD: SONY CENTER on ebay auction: > > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=897545741&rd=1 > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=894390361 From: Liondream@a... Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 3:07 pm Subject: VO not VA I made a mistake in my query the other night... I meant VO - Vidma Obmana. Saw a boxed set of three albums at a very reasonable price. I think 'Mirage' was one of the albums in the set - it was listed as a trilogy. Worth getting? From: 'Pete Dandy' Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 6:45 pm Subject: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese Whilst listening to Edgar's early solo albums this weekend for the first time, I found myself dumbfounded as to how the same person who wrote 'Pinnacles' was the same person who wrote the new(ish) tracks from 'Beyond the Storm', and writes for TD today . Why ? because it sounded like TD in the glory days, but without the other guys who I always thought were responsible for the bulk of the TD trademark sound .I`m not a great a fan of Edgar's later solo work , and I think its struck me what's going on . The majority of Edgar's early tracks were all based around a single root chord .All of the sequence lines and melody structures etc all around this one point (excuse my lack of musical terminology)and it really works ! But it seems that he tries to get more and more adventurous as he gets older, with complex (in comparison with the early stuff) chord structures and melodies etc and I don't think he pulls it off (so to speak :) ) Now Edgar is a sculpture and an artist , but is he a musician ? Sure he once had unparalleled musical vision along with his colleagues , but I don't think his musicality stretches as far as he imagines it does . 'Inferno' is a grand project idea which I really don't feel came off at all for TD (my opinion of course) and I often feel that TDs ideas and thoughts are of far greater interest than the musical results . Now of course nobody expects an artist to reel out the same old stuff time and again , and everybody has there own personal tastes .So before I get flamed off the list I would like to point out that I`m just sharing my opinion . I would be interested in other peoples views on this . 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ID Date Size 35227 Re: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese Administrator Mon 8/5/2002 3 KB 35230 Re: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese Gustavo Jobim Mon 8/5/2002 2 KB 35228 Re: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese Administrator Mon 8/5/2002 2 KB 35231 Re: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese Paul Lawler Mon 8/5/2002 3 KB 35244 Re: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese Chris Owen Tue 8/6/2002 7 KB 35248 Re: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese Dennis Nigbur Wed 8/7/2002 3 KB 35245 Re: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese John Vertical Wed 8/7/2002 3 KB 35247 Re: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese Dennis Nigbur Wed 8/7/2002 4 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 6:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese Well, (deep hole typically in the ground) does using more than one chord make one a musician? Or being crafty enough to do so? Would you think one hit wonders along the same lines as one chord users? ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Pete Dandy' To: Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 11:45 AM Subject: [tadream] The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese > The majority of Edgar's early tracks were all based around a single root > chord .All of the sequence lines and melody structures etc all around this > one point (excuse my lack of musical terminology)and it really works ! But > it seems that he tries to get more and more adventurous as he gets older, > with complex (in comparison with the early stuff) chord structures and > melodies etc and I don't think he pulls it off (so to speak :) ) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35230 Re: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese Gustavo Jobim Mon 8/5/2002 2 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 6:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese Adding more fuel on the fire... I think when folks get together to make music, it is different than a solo. When a group gets together, the sound normally is going to be different, different thought, different styles and so forth. The combination is the key. When you go solo, a rare treat happens, in some cases anyway. You get to see what each brought to the table. While it is known that, in most case again, when you are in a groups, your problem areas are sometimes taken care of by other members. If you are wise, you learn. If you are wise, you learn anyway with time. You grow. Just the ranting of a mad man... dale From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 7:30 pm Subject: SIGNS On Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:24:46 EDT Liondream@a... writes: > think the main score is by James Newton Howard, whose >work I like. Yeah, that's the name of the guy who did the music. The movie was sort of feeble (I've read about 25 books about UFOs, with about 15 of them specifically about alien abduction, so I was expecting much more depth in the metaphysico-spiritual vein,) but the music was very good. At times, it mimicked some of the themes from PSYCHO and THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL, as well as Mike Oldfield's famous chord progression from TUBULAR BELLS/THE EXORCIST, but most of the time, the music was very much like that of Tangerine Dream -- mostly of the organic, contemplative sort, like that heard in RUMPELSTILTSKIN and DEADLY CARE, but also brings to mind music from FIRESTARTER. Oh, and for anyone who wants to look into the link between UFOs, aliens, metaphysics, and Christianity, the best places to look would be in the following: Downing, Barry H. The Bible and Flying Saucers. New York: J.B. Lippincott Co., 1968. ________. The Bible & Flying Saucers. New York: Avon Books, 1968. Fowler, Raymond E. The Andreasson Affair. Mill Spring, NC: Wild Flower Press, 1994 reprint. ________. The Andreasson Affair-Phase Two. Mill Spring, NC: Wild Flower Press, 1994 reprint. ________. The Watchers: The Secret Design Behind UFO Abduction. New York: Bantam, 1990. [The Andreasson Affair Phase Three] ________. The Watchers II: Exploring UFOs and the Near-Death Experience. Mill Spring, NC: Wild Flower Press, 1995. [The Andreasson Affair Phase Four] ________. The Andreasson Legacy. NY: Marlowe and Company, 1997. [The Andreasson Affair Phase Five] Lewels, Joe. The God Hypothesis: Extraterrestrial Life and Its Implications for Science and Religion. Mill Spring, NC: Wild Flower Press, 1997. -- Steven Feldman + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | | 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence' -- Me | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 8:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese I agree... basically what you need is creativity; look at 'In C' by Steve Reich in something like 1965 for example... >Well, (deep hole typically in the ground) does using more than one chord >make one a musician? Or being crafty enough to do so? > >Would you think one hit wonders along the same lines as one chord users? > >;-) >dale Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 8:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese I think Pete was saying that Eds early 'one chord' stuff was good wasn`t he ? and that his later stuff has surpassed his musical ability . So in this case 'using more than one chord' would not make a musician would it ? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gustavo Jobim' To: Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese > I agree... basically what you need is creativity; look at 'In C' by Steve Reich in something like 1965 for example... > > >Well, (deep hole typically in the ground) does using more than one chord > >make one a musician? Or being crafty enough to do so? > > > >Would you think one hit wonders along the same lines as one chord users? > > > >;-) > >dale > > > Gustavo Jobim > gustavojobim@n... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 2:53 am Subject: Re: OT:Bjorn Lynne I also like 1995's 'Dreamstate' CD. Cheers, Dave Kaufman > Greetings All! > > I know this is not about TD but I just had to let you know about this > gentleman named Bjorn Lynne.I recently picked up his new CD Colony at a > used > CD shop.This guy sounds incredibly like TD.I think everyone on this list > would enjoy his work. > He also has done music for video games.Colony reminds me alot of Mars > Polaris.If you get an oppurtunity check him out. > > Rick > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 4:31 am Subject: ambient soundz Marion, I think this is an interesting observation. About the only thing I can think of is the horse and carriage from Pictures at an Exhibition. In a message dated 8/5/2002 7:39:34 PM Central Daylight Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 08:01:09 +0100 > From: Marion Horrod > Subject: Re: Evolution of the Tangs > > Dennis talking about the link with art reminded me of something that I like > from the early years that you don't hear (or at least I don't) in the more > recent releases. What I miss is the 'notes from the real world'. Examples? > The pouring water on 'Aqua', the distant sheep on '3 a.m. at the > borders....', the seagulls on 'Cliffs of Sydney' - there are many more. > Nowadays, it seems to me, the references come only from musical sources - > hints of other musical cultures, for example. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35242 Re: ambient soundz Adele Outland Tue 8/6/2002 3 KB 35249 Re: ambient soundz Dennis Nigbur Wed 8/7/2002 3 KB From: Marion Horrod Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 9:54 am Subject: Distant sheep Jim said <> I suspect it's similar to the meaning in Wales! (Why do Welshmen get married? 'cos sheep can't cook.) LnH Marion From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 10:08 am Subject: Tr: [tadream] ambient soundz For me, it's more a question of sonic diversity than gadget sounds. Some tracks rely too much on the same synths or sound modules and sometimes have some kind of 'plastic sound'. It can be interesting sometimes like on rockoon but it seems that the sounds giving the pieces a bit of extra soul have to be found in the commercial samples they use on the dream mixes tracks for example. Thomas. ----Message réexpédié---- >A: tadream@yahoogroups.com >De: Liondream@a... >Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:31:40 EDT >Sujet: [tadream] ambient soundz > >Marion, I think this is an interesting observation. About the only thing I >can think of is the horse and carriage from Pictures at an Exhibition. > >In a message dated 8/5/2002 7:39:34 PM Central Daylight Time, >tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > > >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 08:01:09 +0100 >> From: Marion Horrod >> Subject: Re: Evolution of the Tangs >> >> Dennis talking about the link with art reminded me of something that I like >> from the early years that you don't hear (or at least I don't) in the more >> recent releases. What I miss is the 'notes from the real world'. Examples? >> The pouring water on 'Aqua', the distant sheep on '3 a.m. at the >> borders....', the seagulls on 'Cliffs of Sydney' - there are many more. >> Nowadays, it seems to me, the references come only from musical sources - >> hints of other musical cultures, for example. > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) From: Marko Marin Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 10:13 am Subject: [tadream] Goblins Club --- John Vertical wrote: > John Vertical > np: Sad Merlin's Sunday - IMHO this is the best they > have done within the > last 10 years. Or perhaps the guitar solo of > Homeless? Whatever. The best tracks from Goblins Club are Cranes' Passage and Elf June and the midnight patrol (I don't have the album with me so if those titles are wrong, please excuse me). The latter is One Of The Best Tracks From 90's! In the credits Linda Spa's name is first, so that would suggest that she has composed at least 60% of Elf June. Has she done any solo albums? Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: OT:Bjorn Lynne For more pure electronic space music from Bjorn, try to find the mostly unavailable Hobbits & Spaceships, which he released under the name Dr Awesome. Glenn From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 12:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Goblins Club I wonder what Linda is doing nowadays... A web search won't tell you anything. armion Marko Marin wrote: > --- John Vertical wrote: > >>John Vertical >>np: Sad Merlin's Sunday - IMHO this is the best they >>have done within the >>last 10 years. Or perhaps the guitar solo of >>Homeless? Whatever. >> > > The best tracks from Goblins Club are Cranes' Passage > and Elf June and the midnight patrol (I don't have the > album with me so if those titles are wrong, please > excuse me). The latter is One Of The Best Tracks From > 90's! In the credits Linda Spa's name is first, so > that would suggest that she has composed at least 60% > of Elf June. Has she done any solo albums? > > Regards, > Marko Marin > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 1:21 pm Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown on 91.7 FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8 am to 9:30 am where I play more prog. Show #5 August 3, 2002. RECAP: I started with spacemusic and moved through some eclectic genres of music, ending with some progressive rock. I will return on August 17. Meanwhile, you can hear me on Afterglow, my other WMHU show every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30 am where I'll play more prog! PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Terra Ambient Aether The Darker Space (Space for Music) Terra Ambient The Glass House The Darker Space (Space for Music) vidnaObmana and Opening The Oblique Fusion (none) Joris De Baker vidnaObmana and Oblique (Beyond the The Oblique Fusion (none) Joris De Baker Shaman) Interstitial Movement in Glass Temporal Arc (Red Antenna) Free System Projekt Substance Pointless Reminder (Quantum) Scott Petito Beautifully Fearfully Sbass Music (Hudson Valley) Made Dave Edgar Angel Angelic Embrace (Domo) David Miller New Dawn Relax: Meditations for Piano (Clarity Sound and Light) LuminArias Little Suite for Autumn String of Pearls (Fourth Ray) Ed Gerhard Promised Land House of Guitars (Virtue) Carl Weingarten 1973 Escape Silence (Multiphase) Eva Cassidy The Letter Time After Time (Blix Street) Porcupine Tree Even Less Stupid Dream (K Scope) Anglagard track 3 Hybris (Mellotronen) Mike Oldfield Blue Saloon Tubular Bells 2 (Reprise) Mike Oldfield Sunjammer Tubular Bells 2 (Reprise) Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. 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ID Date Size 35847 The AM/FM Show Playlist Bill Fox ultramusicman Mon 9/2/2002 5 KB From: 'Pete Dandy' Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 3:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1442 Hi > >Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:52:15 -0700 > From: 'Administrator' >Subject: Re: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese > >Well, (deep hole typically in the ground) does using more than one chord >make one a musician? No , ideas and creativity make a musician , doesn't matter how many chords they use providing they know what they are doing . >Or being crafty enough to do so? eh ? don't understand this bit ???? > >Would you think one hit wonders along the same lines as one chord users? Not really .I think you misunderstood my point .I enjoyed Edgar's work when he based it all around the root chord .My problem with his later music is that I don't feel his ability as a musician matches his ideas . In plain speaking terms , I feel his later work is like that of intermediate keyboard player trying to be a concert pianist . regards Pete > >;-) > >dale > > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 4:00 pm Subject: 'In C' by Steve Reich >'In C' by Steve Reich in something like 1965 for example... hmm, is this a terry riley cover? :) --T (reading the digest) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35243 Re: 'In C' by Steve Reich Gustavo Jobim Tue 8/6/2002 2 KB From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 4:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ambient soundz Let's not forget Goblin's Club: the neighing, snorting horse in 'Rising Haul in Silence' and the yowling cat in 'Lamb with Radar Eyes'. All of the songs on this album bring very vivid story pictures to my mind. In fact, you should read that terrific poem by Nigel (I think?) written for 'Elf June'. If you're interested, contact me off list and I'll see if I can dig it out of a floppy somewhere. I find no lack of visions in many of the later releases, but that's just me. 8-Dell All IMO of course NP: Transsiberia: my lack of vision here is simply inexperience with the region >From: Liondream@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] ambient soundz >Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:31:40 EDT > >Marion, I think this is an interesting observation. About the only thing I >can think of is the horse and carriage from Pictures at an Exhibition. > >In a message dated 8/5/2002 7:39:34 PM Central Daylight Time, >tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 08:01:09 +0100 > > From: Marion Horrod > > Subject: Re: Evolution of the Tangs > > > > Dennis talking about the link with art reminded me of something that I >like > > from the early years that you don't hear (or at least I don't) in the >more > > recent releases. What I miss is the 'notes from the real world'. >Examples? > > The pouring water on 'Aqua', the distant sheep on '3 a.m. at the > > borders....', the seagulls on 'Cliffs of Sydney' - there are many more. > > Nowadays, it seems to me, the references come only from musical sources >- > > hints of other musical cultures, for example. As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35249 Re: ambient soundz Dennis Nigbur Wed 8/7/2002 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 1:37 am Subject: Re: 'In C' by Steve Reich I said: >>'In C' by Steve Reich > in something like 1965 for example... then tei waz said: > hmm, is this a terry riley cover? > > :) oh well, they all sound the same anyway ;) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... p.s. just a joke... that's one of my favourite kinds of music and I respect those guys a lot for their inventions. np. Radiohead 'live recordings' (True Love Waits) From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 3:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese These are good and valid points Pete. It seems to me like Edgar always appeared to contribute more to the lyrical side of TD's music (as exhibited with differing degrees of success in his solo work), with Chris Franke providing the technical/rhythmical/percussion expertise, with the third member perhaps falling somewhere in between. I feel that if TD's music lacks one vital ingredient nowadays, it is a sense of mystery and danger in the actual sounds they use, and maybe Edgar's solo material suffers most because of this. There was a sense of wonderment with the old analogue gear in that the sounds had such remarkable depth and timbre. This has all gone now, and so what TD must rely on instead is acyual composition, and I guess any artist only has a finite level of creativty in this sense, resulting in some fairly ordinary and uninspiring pieces over the last 10 years (as well as many wonderful tracks I might add). Back in the mid 70's synths were 'new' (so to speak) and audiences were blown away by the scope and scale of their sound. It opened up whole new worlds. But we are used to the view now, and need to be impressed by other things, namely the quality of the songs themselves. TD have really delivered time and again with some quite marvellous pieces throughout their career, but these days they appear to have to rely more and more on song writing skills, and I am slowly beginning to believe the well might be drying up at long last (I sincerely hope I am proved wrong, please prove me wrong Edgar!). Edgar and Jerome have been writing together now for over 10 years, with only minor contributions from Linda Spa to assit in the writing process. I would personally like to see new blood in the TD ranks. After all, it is Edgar's philosophy that the constant evolution of TD's musc is derived from the creative state of mind of the members who pass through it's ranks. And not too many people have passed through those ranks in the last decade, a fact that can be born out by judging just how much TD's music evolved from 1982 to 1992 (a massive amount), and from 1992 to 2002 (not a great deal if you examine the progression of releases, despite many great tracks). After the Inferno project, I feel TD need to evolve again, and progress into a new era. Edgar promised this exact thing about 5 years ago. I hope he's just been postponing this progression in TD's history rather than cancelling it altogether. - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Pete Dandy To: Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 11:45 AM Subject: [tadream] The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese > Whilst listening to Edgar's early solo albums this weekend for the first > time, I found myself dumbfounded as to how the same person who wrote > 'Pinnacles' was the same person who wrote the new(ish) tracks from 'Beyond > the Storm', and writes for TD today . > > Why ? because it sounded like TD in the glory days, but without the other > guys who I always thought were responsible for the bulk of the TD trademark > sound .I`m not a great a fan of Edgar's later solo work , and I think its > struck me what's going on . > > The majority of Edgar's early tracks were all based around a single root > chord .All of the sequence lines and melody structures etc all around this > one point (excuse my lack of musical terminology)and it really works ! But > it seems that he tries to get more and more adventurous as he gets older, > with complex (in comparison with the early stuff) chord structures and > melodies etc and I don't think he pulls it off (so to speak :) ) > > Now Edgar is a sculpture and an artist , but is he a musician ? > Sure he once had unparalleled musical vision along with his colleagues , but > I don't think his musicality stretches as far as he imagines it does . > 'Inferno' is a grand project idea which I really don't feel came off at all > for TD (my opinion of course) and I often feel that TDs ideas and thoughts > are of far greater interest than the musical results . > > Now of course nobody expects an artist to reel out the same old stuff time > and again , and everybody has there own personal tastes .So before I get > flamed off the list I would like to point out that I`m just sharing my > opinion . > > I would be interested in other peoples views on this . > > Pete > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35248 Re: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese Dennis Nigbur Wed 8/7/2002 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 7:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese >Back in the mid 70's synths were 'new' (so to speak) and audiences were >blown away by the scope and scale of their sound. It opened up whole new >worlds. But we are used to the view now, and need to be impressed by other >things, namely the quality of the songs themselves. Not a bad statement, but it has one problem: if we're so used to the old style that TD simply couldn't use it anymore to amaze anyone... then why do we still like Rubycon & co.? Edgar never intended to specifically amaze people, he simply wanted to keep trying something new. Both strategies would produce surreal sounds, but only choice #2 can explain why all the new recruits were so different from the ones they came to replace. >I would personally like to see new blood in the TD ranks. I'll second that. But there's an interesting thing related to this. We TD fans are usually not pleased with the amount of music they produced in the 80s or the 70s; aluckily, there's enough unreleased live material to fill a whole forest of Tangerine Trees. But on the 90s, completely unheard material is rather rare... But now the thematics are being used longer before progressing onwards, so there's still similar amounts of each style as there were in the 80s... Hmm, I think I lost the specific location of my point, but you probably understand anyway what I mean? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35247 Re: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese Dennis Nigbur Wed 8/7/2002 4 KB From: 'bigstupidgeek' Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 9:01 am Subject: TT2 Database Final! OK, Folks, the moment we've all been waiting for... http://www.tadream.net/tree/tt2/tt2-final.pdf and also at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database.. the idea is to try to turn your disks around in 2 weeks. Still, if adjustments need to be made I can do them, but this is the structure we are running with. 1) Look up your supplier 2) contact them to discuss terms of trade 3) when disks are received, update the database. Thanks for your patience! Joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35251 Re: TT2 Database Final! John Vertical Wed 8/7/2002 2 KB From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 9:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese On 7 Aug 2002 at 10:26, John Vertical wrote: > Not a bad statement, but it has one problem: if we're so used to the > old style that TD simply couldn't use it anymore to amaze anyone... > then why do we still like Rubycon & co.? Edgar never intended to > specifically amaze people, he simply wanted to keep trying something > new. At least one very strong reason why we still like Rubycon, Rocochet and other offerings is that they are part of the pervasive fan nostalgia that sooner or later grips any supporter of any long-running act ('I like X, but I thought their old stuff was sooo much better'). To those among us who were around in the 70s to hear these albums when they were fresh and new, they connote the period of youth and experimentation in the spirit of which they were produced. To those of us who weren't around to listen to these works when they were new, the 'old stuff' represents an idealised version of the above, plus the elusive, pure 'root' of TD that we are trying to find by buying each of their records from the year dot. Also, I suppose a recording with the compositional style, sonic texture and technical methods of 30 years ago fits in extremely well with TD's other-worldly ambitions at the time, thus adding to the appeal of the music. Today, we are so in awe of this 'old stuff' and the idea that this is somehow the way 'TD are meant to sound', and so swamped by inspired disciples and imitators of that sound, that we become disillusioned with the new records, which combine a different style of composition with layers of now-familiar sounds (see my previous post), and the crystal clear but somehow dull recording quality of today. I'm not claiming that there are no other reasons why people might prefer 'Rubycon' over 'Mars Polaris'. But I think we should be aware that this nostalgia has probably got a lot to do with it. We simply can't expect TD to turn up the 70s again, nor can we even make an informed claim that the 'old stuff' was more authentic to TD than the recent output. Both were made in the spirit of the time in which they were composed and with the technological instrumentarium that was state- of-the-art in its time. If TD were a new band today, I'm pretty sure they'd sound a bit like...TD today! Just my personal view, of course! Dennis From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 9:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese On 6 Aug 2002 at 20:47, Chris Owen wrote: > These are good and valid points Pete. It seems to me like Edgar always > appeared to contribute more to the lyrical side of TD's music (as > exhibited with differing degrees of success in his solo work), with > Chris Franke providing the technical/rhythmical/percussion expertise, > with the third member perhaps falling somewhere in between. I know what you mean here, but I don't think we should type-cast the members of the band too much. Chris may have been responsible for some of TD's finer sequencing and rhythm moments, but I'm sure the other members had a good go themselves, and there is some rather decent rhythmic work after Chris had left. And as for Chris's solo work, there are similarly moments of wonderful expressiveness, lyricism and melody, which you can tell seeped into TD's work while he was still aboard too. > After the Inferno project, I feel TD need to evolve again, and > progress into a new era. Edgar promised this exact thing about 5 years > ago. I hope he's just been postponing this progression in TD's history > rather than cancelling it altogether. I think you're right! Inferno seems like the kind of project after which TD could either retire or start something completely different. Let's see what happens... Dennis From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 9:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ambient soundz On 6 Aug 2002 at 12:34, Adele Outland wrote: > list and I'll see if I can dig it out of a floppy somewhere. I find no > lack of visions in many of the later releases, but that's just me. > 8-Dell I'd be inclined to agree, Dell. I'm not a fan of the late Melrose/early Seattle years, but on a purely intuitive level (struggling to define more operationally what 'vision' means) I think that 'Turn of the Tides', 'Goblins' Club', 'Oasis', 'Mars Polaris' and 'Seven Letters' are all visionary, whatever you make of their compositional accomplishment. I think Marion makes an interesting point, though, about TD's music becoming more self-referential and less directly evocative of the world around. Samples of horse whinnying and concepts of Transsibirian railways aside, my guess is that the gradual move from moody and experimental chord-playing to more classically composed and notated music does indeed make the end product more abstract and self- referential. I'm not at all an expert on this, but an art history student once told me about an idea of 'musicality' to which some art aspires; the creation of artistic beauty that is entirely self-referential and not necessarily representative of any aspect of the imperfect outside world. I probably got that one completely wrong, though...! Dennis From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 10:10 am Subject: Power Outage Sorry folks had a power outage. I am back to hosting now Robert Asmus Email: Asmus0324@c... Home Page:http://members.cox.net/asmus0324/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 5:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TT2 Database Final! >OK, Folks, the moment we've all been waiting for... I've probably missed something, but what's this color code? I already determined it's not tree level nor format nor status nor etc. Most but not all leaves appear to be brown, branches' colors vary seemingly loosely along tree level. Am I on the right track? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 6:56 pm Subject: Tree Colors Thin type = Does not have discs yet Bold type = Has their discs Green = Branch Brown = Leaf Red = Already fulfilled their responsibilities -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35260 Re: Tree Colors John Vertical Thu 8/8/2002 2 KB 35265 artwork tt2 jerome Thu 8/8/2002 2 KB 35266 Re: artwork tt2 Heiko Heerssen Thu 8/8/2002 2 KB From: 'Herbert' Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 7:18 pm Subject: TT2 SHN Hi, I've got 2 spare copies of the TT2 SHN distribution, which are starting to catch cob webs on my desk :)) I'd prefer to send to a region not covered till now by the TT2 disks (if there is still one), Please contact me off list. Herbert. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35257 Re: TT2 SHN Richard Wed 8/7/2002 2 KB From: 'Pete Dandy' Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 7:15 pm Subject: Digest Number 1443 Hi see below > >Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:47:05 -0700 > From: 'Chris Owen' >Subject: Re: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese > >I feel that if TD's music lacks one vital ingredient nowadays, it is a >sense >of mystery and danger in the actual sounds they use, and maybe Edgar's solo >material suffers most because of this. There was a sense of wonderment with >the old analogue gear in that the sounds had such remarkable depth and >timbre. This has all gone now, and so what TD must rely on instead is >acyual >composition, Analogue synthesis was a new and exciting thing back when TD started , but think of the infinite amounts of new exciting software that's on the market today. Physical Modeling , Sampling etc . Bands such as FSOL or Orbital etc don't rely on composition yet they sound exciting and cutting edge with their use of *modern* technology . TD do not have this excuse as they have the funds and know-how to have a complete up to date cutting edge studio .Laziness dare I say is the answer .Comfortable in the fact that people will buy a CD because of the history of the band name .TD for me seem to lack the hunger and enthusiasm to *create* , and instead they are happy to rattle off what is often very poor musac . Edgar's argument is that people only like the older material because of the feelings of nostalgia that the music creates for the individual . I would say not ! my first TD album was 'Optical Race', and whilst this does hold a special place in my heart , I don't long for another Froese /Haslinger album .In fact I prefer the 70s and 80s which I discovered over the last 10 years , and similar feelings of awe came over me again whilst listening to the unreleased material on 'Antique Dreams' from the same periods , so no feelings of good days lost , just feelings of awe at hearing fantastic Electronic music . >Back in the mid 70's synths were 'new' (so to speak) and audiences were >blown away by the scope and scale of their sound. It opened up whole new >worlds. But we are used to the view now, and need to be impressed by other >things, namely the quality of the songs themselves. TD have really >delivered >time and again with some quite marvelous pieces throughout their career, >but these days they appear to have to rely more and more on song writing >skills, and I am slowly beginning to believe the well might be drying up at >long last (I sincerely hope I am proved wrong, please prove me wrong >Edgar!) Don't hold your breath ;) If the will was there , the albums would be there .As I said ,Edgar's all too comfortable to sit with a single keyboard on his knee . . Edgar and Jerome have been writing together now for over 10 years, >with only minor contributions from Linda Spa to assit in the writing >process. I would personally like to see new blood in the TD ranks. After >all, it is Edgar's philosophy that the constant evolution of TD's musc is >derived from the creative state of mind of the members who pass through >it's >ranks. And not too many people have passed through those ranks in the last >decade, a fact that can be born out by judging just how much TD's music >evolved from 1982 to 1992 (a massive amount), and from 1992 to 2002 (not a >great deal if you examine the progression of releases, despite many great >tracks). Yes! Yes! Yes! new blood pleeeaaasse save my favorite band ! However , didn`t Edgar say he wanted more of a servant than an individual ? > >After the Inferno project, I feel TD need to evolve again, and progress >into >a new era. Edgar promised this exact thing about 5 years ago. I hope he's >just been postponing this progression in TD's history rather than >cancelling >it altogether. I would agree that TD need to do something, and do it fast after the dreadful 'Inferno', otherwise they must be due to disappear up their own back passage due to the criminal amount of self indulgence that it must have taken for this CD to exist. I need to sit down :) Pete _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35256 Re: Digest Number 1443 Gustavo Jobim Wed 8/7/2002 2 KB 35261 Re: Digest Number 1443 Dennis Nigbur Thu 8/8/2002 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 8:19 pm Subject: TT2: RE: Question about Downloaders and FTP servers Yeah, we were really kinda struggling with this whole host/leaves assignments thing. some hosts are also burning, which complicates it further. also there were a couple of HOSTs that we only assigned DOWNs to, and some DOWNs that we assigned to SHNs, assuming that a DOWN doesn't really care if they get them DOWN or by CDR. We don't expect any big problems over the download thing. We have spare branches ready to pick up slack if it doesn't work for DOWNs. Also we expect questions and even reassignments. Just let us know at tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com; if the answer will benefit other people, we'll reply on-list. ** Likewise it is equally important for everyone to establish contact NOW with your connections to arrange your trade details, and especially so we can figure out who has 'fallen out' of the Tree. Make sure all expectations are clear (for example, artwork not included, and CDR quality). More general guidelines at http://www.tadream.net/tree Joe -----Original Message----- From: Antonio Nunes To: Joe Shoults Sent: 8/7/02 3:04 PM Subject: Question about Downloaders and FTP servers Hi Joe, I'm one of the TT2 downloaders, and I appreciate your messages and everything you've been doing, but there's still one thing that's not clear for me. Do I have to use only the FTP server that was assigned to me in the Tree Structure, or can I use others? I'm asking this because you suggested the use of download managers which allow multiple servers, but on the other hand you assigned one 'supplier' to each downloader. Thanks in advance for your answer. Antonio From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 8:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1443 >Edgar's argument is that people only like the older material because of the >feelings of nostalgia that the music creates for the individual . Nostalgia? What about people like me, who have been listening to TD (and buying the records) since august, 1999? Then the latest release was Mars Polaris, which I only got early this year [ thanks! ;) ] Not nostalgia, but better musical quality. How can you compare, just to name a little example, Sequent C' to Gecko? (not to mention Cloudburst Flight, Mysterious Semblance, Monolight, Tangram set 1.........) just my one cent on this. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35261 Re: Digest Number 1443 Dennis Nigbur Thu 8/8/2002 3 KB From: Richard Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 9:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TT2 SHN Any chance of getting hold of one of those sets (UK based) Cheers >Hi, >I've got 2 spare copies of the TT2 SHN distribution, which are starting to >catch cob webs on my desk :)) > >I'd prefer to send to a region not covered till now by the TT2 disks (if >there is still one), > >Please contact me off list. > >Herbert. > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- Richard F From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 10:45 pm Subject: TT2 SHNs >From: Richard >Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 4:26 pm >Subject: Re: [tadream] TT2 SHN > >Any chance of getting hold of one of those sets (UK based) Remember, the purpose of the SHNs is to get the Tree distributed faster. If all you want to do is get a copy of the music to listen to, you're encouraged to sign up as a Redbook (normal audio CD) leaf. The SHN discs will only play on a computer. -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35278 Re: TT2 SHNs Mark Filipak Thu 8/8/2002 2 KB 35279 Re: TT2 SHNs Administrator Thu 8/8/2002 3 KB 35476 TT2 SHNs Morgan Feldon Mon 8/12/2002 3 KB 35486 Re: TT2 SHNs Gustavo Jobim Tue 8/13/2002 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 7:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Nostagy > >Edgar's argument is that people only like the older material because of >the > >feelings of nostalgia that the music creates for the individual . > >Nostalgia? What about people like me, who have been listening to TD (and >buying the records) since august, 1999? Then the latest release was Mars >Polaris, which I only got early this year [ thanks! ;) ] Not nostalgia, but >better musical quality. How can you compare, just to name a little example, >Sequent C' to Gecko? (not to mention Cloudburst Flight, Mysterious >Semblance, Monolight, Tangram set 1.........) > >just my one cent on this. In order to protect your cent from loneliness, here's mine... I've too been an active TD fan only since 1999 or something. I only had Exit and Mars Polaris at that time, (and some 70s collection cassette) and I have to say that Exit is wayyy better. One track I do have nostalgia about: Stratosfear. I've heard it for the first time already as a 5-year-old... There were probably others too, but this one I remember. Probably in the future we will be nostalgic even about the early 90s stuff, at least I can easily imagining that happening to me. Any band's newest creations will never get called 'classics', but almost all older than 10 years do. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35262 Re: Nostagy Marko Marin Thu 8/8/2002 4 KB 35267 Re: Nostagy Paul Lawler Thu 8/8/2002 5 KB 35269 Re: Nostagy mikael.jussila@p... Thu 8/8/2002 2 KB 35271 Re: Nostagy Gustavo Jobim Thu 8/8/2002 3 KB 35284 Re: Nostalgy Marko Marin Fri 8/9/2002 2 KB 35287 Re: Nostalgy mars103nl Fri 8/9/2002 3 KB 35270 Re: Nostagy Armin Theissen Thu 8/8/2002 3 KB 35285 Re: Nostalgy Marko Marin Fri 8/9/2002 2 KB 35272 Re: Nostagy Administrator Thu 8/8/2002 6 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 7:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tree Colors >Green = Branch >Brown = Leaf >Red = Already fulfilled their responsibilities > >-Morgan Makes sense so far, but what're all these black ones? The seem to be spreadt somewhat randomly over the tree. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 9:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1443 > Nostalgia? What about people like me, who have been listening to TD > (and buying the records) since august, 1999? Then the latest release > was Mars Polaris, which I only got early this year [ thanks! ;) ] Not > nostalgia, but better musical quality. How can you compare, just to > name a little example, Sequent C' to Gecko? (not to mention Cloudburst > Flight, Mysterious Semblance, Monolight, Tangram set 1.........) Well, here's something I already posted on the subject of nostalgia for the not-experienced the other day. > At least one very strong reason why we still like Rubycon, Rocochet > and other offerings is that they are part of the pervasive fan nostalgia > that sooner or later grips any supporter of any long-running act ('I like > X, but I thought their old stuff was sooo much better'). To those among > us who were around in the 70s to hear these albums when they were > fresh and new, they connote the period of youth and experimentation in > the spirit of which they were produced. To those of us who weren't > around to listen to these works when they were new, the 'old stuff' > represents an idealised version of the above, plus the elusive, pure > 'root' of TD that we are trying to find by buying each of their records > from the year dot. Also, I suppose a recording with the compositional > style, sonic texture and technical methods of 30 years ago fits in > extremely well with TD's other-worldly ambitions at the time, thus > adding to the appeal of the music. Dennis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Marko Marin Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 10:17 am Subject: [tadream] Re: Nostagy I'm with you. A friend bought Live Miles for me in... in the last half of the year 2000 (I think... or was it 2001...) and liked it. After that I bought Alpha Centauri and Rubycon. Liked them too. Next spring I bought Mars Polaris and other newer stuff and I have to say, the stuff from 70's is clearly superior. Biggest problem in the new albums are the length. They are too long. If Rockoon would have only five tracks, it would be great. Same fault can be found from Mars Polaris, Transsiberia and others. Even if cd's can take 80 minutes music, you don't have to fill it up! Regards, Marko Marin --- John Vertical wrote: > > >Edgar's argument is that people only like the > older material because of > >the > > >feelings of nostalgia that the music creates for > the individual . > > > >Nostalgia? What about people like me, who have been > listening to TD (and > >buying the records) since august, 1999? Then the > latest release was Mars > >Polaris, which I only got early this year [ thanks! > ;) ] Not nostalgia, but > >better musical quality. How can you compare, just > to name a little example, > >Sequent C' to Gecko? (not to mention Cloudburst > Flight, Mysterious > >Semblance, Monolight, Tangram set 1.........) > > > >just my one cent on this. > > > In order to protect your cent from loneliness, > here's mine... > > I've too been an active TD fan only since 1999 or > something. I only had Exit > and Mars Polaris at that time, (and some 70s > collection cassette) and I have > to say that Exit is wayyy better. > One track I do have nostalgia about: Stratosfear. > I've heard it for the > first time already as a 5-year-old... There were > probably others too, but > this one I remember. > > Probably in the future we will be nostalgic even > about the early 90s stuff, > at least I can easily imagining that happening to > me. Any band's newest > creations will never get called 'classics', but > almost all older than 10 > years do. > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From: 'rbicon' Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 10:18 am Subject: James Bernard Atmospherics Hi everyone. I'm looking for this beautifull cd from James Bernard. The one i have had just broke. I tried to find it on the net, and i did'nt find. If someone has a copy to sell or trade, please contact me. You can view my web page at; http://pages.infinit.net/musicfan This cd is incredible EM music.I highly recommended it. Very good. np:Oxric tentacles-At the pongmaster balls...those guys are crazy, but they are outstanding musicians. Worth every penny you have. Thanks, and sorry for my english :) Sylvain from Québec From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 10:31 am Subject: Tr: Re: [tadream] Nostagy OK. Here we go again :) old and recent stuff. It's obvious that TD will always be remembered for their virgin years. But are they or not doing 'nothing but crap' since {choose the year or the event} ? Well, to me, the answer is yes and no (with late 80's/early 90's for the date). I enjoy a lot TD's recent output and as long as they will keep on producing tracks like prime time, timesquare or towards the evening star, I'll still buy the cd's. Now, it's true that some tracks sound like not much job has been done around. But to me, it's a bit of a joke to say Edgar has gone lazy. On the contrary, I'd say he' always keeping himself (way) too busy. Once, TD were 3 musicians releasing 1 album per year of partly improvised music. Now, they are 2, releasing loads of material and albums that are sometimes twice longer that the virgin classics. Furthemore, I'd say that it seems Edgar is doing the 2/3 of the job most of the time. May be it's just that I'm a crap musician but I don't feel it's humanly possible to create only masterpieces with such a productivity. To me, there have been truly great albums over the last 10 years. If I had to put out a list of favorites, it would be something like : 220 volt live, tyrany of beauty, tournado, timesquare, mars polaris and DM3. But along with all these albums, they released many others where there really was just 1 or 2 interesting tracks (wich in the end is enough to fill severall CD's). I feel that these ones were not necessary and they should produce less and focus more on the real ideas. Because as far as ideas are concerned, they still can deliver the goods. But I always come back to my usual complaints : better sounds! I'm convinced that 7 letters from tibet for exemple should have been played on old analogue gear and mellotron. To me, the ideas behind that album are not that far from those that finally came out as pheadra or rubycon. So, may be they should hire a 'real' third member, change the wole gear, release only one album per year or 2 year or whatever else. History has already captured the image of TD being the band of phaedra or force majeure, so I guess now, they don't have to care anymore for what kind of music the want to do, or people want them to do. They could as well play country music or bavarian songs :) Thomas. ----Message réexpédié---- >A: tadream@yahoogroups.com >De: 'John Vertical' >Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:09:13 +0300 >Sujet: Re: [tadream] Nostagy > >> >Edgar's argument is that people only like the older material because of >>the >> >feelings of nostalgia that the music creates for the individual . >> >>Nostalgia? What about people like me, who have been listening to TD (and >>buying the records) since august, 1999? Then the latest release was Mars >>Polaris, which I only got early this year [ thanks! ;) ] Not nostalgia, but >>better musical quality. How can you compare, just to name a little example, >>Sequent C' to Gecko? (not to mention Cloudburst Flight, Mysterious >>Semblance, Monolight, Tangram set 1.........) >> >>just my one cent on this. > > >In order to protect your cent from loneliness, here's mine... > >I've too been an active TD fan only since 1999 or something. I only had Exit >and Mars Polaris at that time, (and some 70s collection cassette) and I have >to say that Exit is wayyy better. >One track I do have nostalgia about: Stratosfear. I've heard it for the >first time already as a 5-year-old... There were probably others too, but >this one I remember. > >Probably in the future we will be nostalgic even about the early 90s stuff, >at least I can easily imagining that happening to me. Any band's newest >creations will never get called 'classics', but almost all older than 10 >years do. > >John Vertical > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) From: jerome Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 12:27 pm Subject: [tadream] artwork tt2 hi, could someone send me the link to the final artwork for tt2 again... thanks! jerome __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35266 Re: artwork tt2 Heiko Heerssen Thu 8/8/2002 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 1:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] artwork tt2 > hi, > > could someone send me the link to the final artwork for tt2 again... thanks! http://www.mst3uk.com/tdtree/vol2/index.htm or http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/ heiko From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 12:14 pm Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Nostagy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:31 AM Subject: Tr: Re: [tadream] Nostagy >Now, it's true that some tracks sound like not much job has been done >around. >But to me, it's a bit of a joke to say Edgar has gone lazy. On the contrary, >I'd say he' always keeping himself (way) too busy. >Once, TD were 3 musicians releasing 1 album per year of partly improvised >music. >Now, they are 2, releasing loads of material and albums that are sometimes >twice longer that the virgin classics. How many albums do they release a year ? its not that many .Dream Mixes 3 last year, and Inferno this year .Have I missed any ? >Furthemore, I'd say that it seems Edgar is doing the 2/3 of the job most of >the time. >May be it's just that I'm a crap musician but I don't feel it's humanly possible >to create only masterpieces with such a productivity. hang on , how much work do you think Hollywood composers take on in an average year ? and still write fantastic oscar nominated music .I tell you its a lot more work writing for full orchestra than it is for keyboard .In the last four years I have written about 35 x50 minute scores , 10 full Library music CDs, six EM albums , 4 new age albums and countless compilation tracks .Admittedly I cannot say that I like every track I have written in this time , but I aim to keep it at a high percentage , and I think I manage it (not meaning to be big headed by the way)If it wasn`t for bills etc and I had the luxury of concentrating on one or two albums in the space of a year , then I wouldn`t (couldn`t) let anything out of the studio that wasn`t pristine in everything from production , performance, arrangement etc. Only TD themselves know whether they still feel this way . >I feel that these ones were not necessary and they should produce less and >focus more on the real ideas. Because as far as ideas are concerned, they >still can deliver the goods. Agreed ! >But I always come back to my usual complaints : better sounds! >I'm convinced that 7 letters from tibet for exemple should have been played >on old analogue gear and mellotron. This is my main issue with the later TD realeases .I dont feel they are making use of the huge amount of great sounds that are out there , instead they use the same pallete of keyboard sounds and out of date over used sample CDs(Distorted reality) all of the time . >To me, the ideas behind that album are not that far from those that finally >came out as pheadra or rubycon. >So, may be they should hire a 'real' third member, change the wole gear, >release only one album per year or 2 year or whatever else. >History has already captured the image of TD being the band of phaedra or >force majeure, so I guess now, they don't have to care anymore for what >kind of music the want to do, or people want them to do. >They could as well play country music or bavarian songs :) But surely at the end of it all , TD is still a business as well .They have to earn money from their music , and being complacent about the desires of many of their fans is a risky path to take . Somebody mentioned 'self indulgence' about the later albums, and I kind of half agree with this.Its a fine line between moving in a direction you want to go in as an artist , and pleasing the people who put you where you are . Paul . >Thomas. From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 2:11 pm Subject: homepage update Hi all, a quick update on my homepage: 'At Darwins Motel' info added to tdlyrics.txt Update of my 'garage sale', have a look, several nice items, all starting at 1 Euro/$ http://www.caby.de/special.htm best regards, klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de From: mikael.jussila@p... Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 2:23 pm Subject: [tadream] Re: Nostagy >A friend bought Live Miles for me in... >in the last half of the year 2000 (I think... or was >it 2001...)and liked it. After that I bought Alpha >Centauri and Rubycon. Liked them too. Yes, it was in November 2000. And actually, I also bought Alpha and Rubycon for you. No real reason to note this, just blowing my own horn. ;) >Biggest problem in the new albums are the length. This is certainly one reason, but doesn't explain it all. For example, look Schulze's albums. Timewind lasts about an hour, and I think it's too short! *Fornit Some Fornus* MJUSSILA Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35271 Re: Nostagy Gustavo Jobim Thu 8/8/2002 3 KB 35284 Re: Nostalgy Marko Marin Fri 8/9/2002 2 KB 35287 Re: Nostalgy mars103nl Fri 8/9/2002 3 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 2:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Nostagy Paul Lawler wrote: > hang on , how much work do you think Hollywood composers take on in an > average year ? and still write fantastic oscar nominated music . Hm, I'm not so convinced with the quality of Hollywood composers in general. Usually they follow a well established recipe. Some of them even repeat all the time (James Horner), or even steal (compare 'Batman' and the french 'Cyrano de Bergerac'!) What an Oscar says about quality is another issue... armin's 2 cents ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35285 Re: Nostalgy Marko Marin Fri 8/9/2002 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 11:22 pm Subject: Re: Nostagy >>Biggest problem in the new albums are the length. > > This is certainly one reason, but doesn't explain it all. For example, look Schulze's albums. Timewind lasts about an hour, and I think it's too short! > *Fornit Some Fornus* > MJUSSILA Not really the length itself, but the long duration associated with the, for the lack of a better description, lack of personality of many tracks, and many tracks like that one after the other in an album, all of them sounding the same, in some ways; one reason for this might be the use of only preset patches, maybe. Probably the only thing, in that way, I remember from Mars Polaris is that bass tune or sequence in Comet's Figure Head and nothing more. The rest of the album is a cloudy memory where I don't remember all the track titles and any particular piece of music. In that way, going back to the 'cycle' thing Edgar was talking about, I find such later releases like Mars Polaris interestingly similar to, for example, Zeit. Can you tell which track in Zeit is which, except for the cello quartet intro from the first track? They all sound pretty much the same and exactly the same way happens in Mars Polaris, for example. I haven't heard Seven Letters yet but I believe a similar phenomenon must happen. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 4:35 pm Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Nostagy Paul Your thoughts are very logical. I have to agree that this seems to be the case. Only way to know for sure would be to be in the mind of Edgar. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Lawler' To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 5:14 AM Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Nostagy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:31 AM > Subject: Tr: Re: [tadream] Nostagy > > > >Now, it's true that some tracks sound like not much job has been done > >around. > >But to me, it's a bit of a joke to say Edgar has gone lazy. On the > contrary, >I'd say he' always keeping himself (way) too busy. > >Once, TD were 3 musicians releasing 1 album per year of partly improvised > >music. > >Now, they are 2, releasing loads of material and albums that are sometimes > >twice longer that the virgin classics. > > How many albums do they release a year ? its not that many .Dream Mixes 3 > last year, and Inferno this year .Have I missed any ? > > > >Furthemore, I'd say that it seems Edgar is doing the 2/3 of the job most of > >the time. > >May be it's just that I'm a crap musician but I don't feel it's humanly > possible >to create only masterpieces with such a productivity. > > hang on , how much work do you think Hollywood composers take on in an > average year ? and still write fantastic oscar nominated music .I tell you > its a lot more work writing for full orchestra than it is for keyboard .In > the last four years I have written about 35 x50 minute scores , 10 full > Library music CDs, six EM albums , 4 new age albums and countless > compilation tracks .Admittedly I cannot say that I like every track I have > written in this time , but I aim to keep it at a high percentage , and I > think I manage it (not meaning to be big headed by the way)If it wasn`t for > bills etc and I had the luxury of concentrating on one or two albums in the > space of a year , then I wouldn`t (couldn`t) let anything out of the studio > that wasn`t pristine in everything from production , performance, > arrangement etc. Only TD themselves know whether they still feel this way . > > > >I feel that these ones were not necessary and they should produce less and > >focus more on the real ideas. Because as far as ideas are concerned, they > >still can deliver the goods. > > Agreed ! > > > >But I always come back to my usual complaints : better sounds! > >I'm convinced that 7 letters from tibet for exemple should have been played > >on old analogue gear and mellotron. > > This is my main issue with the later TD realeases .I dont feel they are > making use of the huge amount of great sounds that are out there , instead > they use the same pallete of keyboard sounds and out of date over used > sample CDs(Distorted reality) all of the time . > > > >To me, the ideas behind that album are not that far from those that finally > >came out as pheadra or rubycon. > >So, may be they should hire a 'real' third member, change the wole gear, > >release only one album per year or 2 year or whatever else. > >History has already captured the image of TD being the band of phaedra or > >force majeure, so I guess now, they don't have to care anymore for what > >kind of music the want to do, or people want them to do. > >They could as well play country music or bavarian songs :) > > But surely at the end of it all , TD is still a business as well .They have > to earn money from their music , and being complacent about the desires of > many of their fans is a risky path to take . Somebody mentioned 'self > indulgence' about the later albums, and I kind of half agree with this.Its a > fine line between moving in a direction you want to go in as an artist , and > pleasing the people who put you where you are . > > Paul > > > . > > > > > >Thomas. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 4:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Nostagy ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Armin Theissen' To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Nostagy > > > Paul Lawler wrote: > > > > hang on , how much work do you think Hollywood composers take on in an > > average year ? and still write fantastic oscar nominated music . > > > Hm, I'm not so convinced with the quality of Hollywood composers > in general. You cant deny that people like Jerry Goldsmith , Ennio Morricine ,Hans Zimmer etc write more often than not mind blowing scores > Usually they follow a well established recipe. Yes some of them do , but you could argue that that is there sound , like Vangelis and his CS80 (?) sound , TD with their 90s Harpsichord patch and the current use of Korg keyboards .Listen to the music from 'The Pledge' by Zimmer , nothing like his big film sound but equally fantastic > Some of them even repeat all the time (James Horner), or even > steal (compare 'Batman' and the french 'Cyrano de Bergerac'!) ah well you get this everywhere from film to pop music .I know James Horner has used his Alien theme a few times .but at least there is a kind of high brow quality to a lot of the scores being written , no matter how much the composer writes in a year . > > What an Oscar says about quality is another issue... Yeah but you get my point ......I think :) Paul From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 5:30 pm Subject: New Haslinger Movie Score BLUE CRUSH http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id=1808396025&cf=cast&intl=us Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 5:57 pm Subject: beetles in relation to early TD For some strange reason, something popped into my head a few nights ago. Background: I have a vast collection of midi files, some good some not so good. I spent a little time here and there making them better, close to the original as possible. I also have my own little versions. I have a lot of Beetles midi files. Since I am from that time frame, I like the Beetles. With that said, you might think I have spent some time making my midi files sound good. I have. Maybe more than the Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyds or Tangerine Dream's (which I would tell you are about equal time spent). What occurred to me was to take some rather early Beetle midi's I have, take a few single tracks out, slow them down, remove some of the extra notes here and there then play back thru some of my synths. Adding a bit of Berlin Style and I am getting something close to early TD material. Maybe I am just spending too much time up late at night huh? I wonder... I am going to play a bit with a few other groups here and there too. It just might be the chord progressions are similar or I have a defect in my brain. Maybe both. dale From: 'convention24' Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 6:28 pm Subject: (off Topic) Edgar Froese-The Worlds Number One Edgar Froese-There is no Doubt in my mind that this man is the absolute GREATEST of all time,Edgar we LOVE you. Love From Colin, Julie Colin JNR & Stefan South Wales UK From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 6:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Nostagy >Probably the only thing, in that way, I remember from Mars Polaris is that >bass tune or sequence in Comet's Figure Head and nothing more. The rest of >the album is a cloudy memory where I don't remember all the track titles >and >any particular piece of music. In that way, going back to the 'cycle' thing >Edgar was talking about, I find such later releases like Mars Polaris >interestingly similar to, for example, Zeit. Can you tell which track in >Zeit is which, except for the cello quartet intro from the first track? >They >all sound pretty much the same and exactly the same way happens in Mars >Polaris, for example. I haven't heard Seven Letters yet but I believe a >similar phenomenon must happen. Well, recognizing a track from Zeit shouldn't be too hard if you get to hear a sample of at least 30 secs. Each track has a rather typical structure, they're not all the same. The very deep (Moog?) line during the 2nd section of BoLP and the organ during the 3rd; the spot effects in Nebulous Dawn; the looping sounds of OoSnPb (hrm, that sounds like some mineral's chemical formula... just replace the small o with 4, 6 or 8); and the remotely flute-like sounds of Zeit. I too had once adopted a similar cycle theory, but I've now abandoned it after getting my hands on more material. There _are_ some things that go round, but many more that don't. But still, remembering things off MP is still hard for me. I do remember something though; eg. that Outland has a nice melody line, the end ambience of Astrophobia resembles vaguely Phaedra, track 10 or 6 was pianoish, Deep Space Cruiser is circa 4+ minutes long and other such information. Then again, if I listened to it more, I probably eventually would have memorized the whole. I do have flypaper memory after all... Humming the whole Cherokee Lane off my head wouldn't be too hard. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: Mark Filipak Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 7:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TT2 SHNs Morgan Feldon wrote: > > >From: Richard > >Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 4:26 pm > >Subject: Re: [tadream] TT2 SHN > > > >Any chance of getting hold of one of those sets (UK based) > > Remember, the purpose of the SHNs is to get the Tree distributed > faster. > > If all you want to do is get a copy of the music to listen to, you're > encouraged to sign up as a Redbook (normal audio CD) leaf. The SHN > discs will only play on a computer. True, Morgan, but there's another reason to get SHN. I use the SHN discs as an archive. That way, if anything happens to a redbook disc I can quickly and easily burn a new one using the SHN version as food. That way I won't miss my Tadream. 8^) ...OJ? No thanks! I prefer TANG! Ciao -- Mark From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 8:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TT2 SHNs I do the same Mark. Last tree I was lucky to have someone send me audio and shn. If my audio dies or gets scratched etc.. I plan on redoing with the shn I have. Same with tree 2. I have shn, just have not had the time to audio it yet. Still have not downloaded the software either. Soon, soon. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Filipak' To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] TT2 SHNs > Morgan Feldon wrote: > > > > >From: Richard > > >Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 4:26 pm > > >Subject: Re: [tadream] TT2 SHN > > > > > >Any chance of getting hold of one of those sets (UK based) > > > > Remember, the purpose of the SHNs is to get the Tree distributed > > faster. > > > > If all you want to do is get a copy of the music to listen to, you're > > encouraged to sign up as a Redbook (normal audio CD) leaf. The SHN > > discs will only play on a computer. > > True, Morgan, but there's another reason to get SHN. I use the SHN discs > as an archive. That way, if anything happens to a redbook disc I can > quickly and easily burn a new one using the SHN version as food. > > That way I won't miss my Tadream. 8^) ...OJ? No thanks! I prefer TANG! > > Ciao -- Mark > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 11:13 pm Subject: downloaders please report i'd like to get some immediate feedback on how the downloading situation is coming along, so that we can make any necessary adjustments to the process. Who is trying to log into the hosts? Can you get in? Have you been able to establish communication/permissions with the hosts? What are your download rates? Are you using a download manager? If downloading is not working out for you, and your host cannot supply you otherwise with the CDRs, let me know immediately and I'll switch you to another supplier. This is especially important if you have leaves to supply yourself. Thanks, Joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35295 Re: downloaders please report Philip Meyer Fri 8/9/2002 3 KB 35297 Re: downloaders please report Admin Fri 8/9/2002 4 KB 35305 Re: downloaders please report Jonathan Holt Fri 8/9/2002 3 KB 35319 Re: downloaders please report Philip Meyer Sat 8/10/2002 2 KB 35446 Re: downloaders please report richter_arne Mon 8/12/2002 3 KB 35450 Re: downloaders please report Joe Shoults Mon 8/12/2002 2 KB 35473 Re: downloaders please report sean_w_montgomery Mon 8/12/2002 2 KB 35455 Re: downloaders please report Administrator Mon 8/12/2002 4 KB 35456 Re: downloaders please report Administrator Mon 8/12/2002 5 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 11:58 pm Subject: reminder: maintain your status Please record any TT2 progress/updates at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database or e-mail them to mailto:tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com We don't record when you SEND the disks because things can get lost in the mail. What's important is recording 'disks received' so we can keep tabs on overall tree progress. This is new: I'm keeping all tree updates here, sorted a few different ways so you don't necessarily have to log into yahoogroups: http://www.tadream.net/tree/status/ Thanks! Joe From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 3:28 am Subject: Re: Album length (was 'Nostagy', whatever that is) In a message dated 8/8/02 6:18:35 AM, rubyconist@y... writes: >Biggest problem in the new albums are the length. They >are too long. If Rockoon would have only five tracks, >it would be great. Same fault can be found from Mars >Polaris, Transsiberia and others. Even if cd's can >take 80 minutes music, you don't have to fill it up! ...? This makes no sense to me. True, they don't have to fill it up, but at the same time, you don't have to listen to it all. I can't see how simply dropping tracks off an album would make it better. Remember that the tracks you don't care about might be someone else's favorites. --Daniel NP: Children of Bodom - Follow the Reaper Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35315 Re: Album length (was 'Nostagy', whatever that is Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Med Fri 8/9/2002 2 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 3:31 am Subject: Remember: Ed is retiring (was: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese) Dennis Nigbur wrote: > > On 6 Aug 2002 at 20:47, Chris Owen wrote: > > > After the Inferno project, I feel TD need to evolve again, and > > progress into a new era. Edgar promised this exact thing about 5 > > years ago. I hope he's just been postponing this progression in > > TD's history rather than cancelling it altogether. > > I think you're right! Inferno seems like the kind of project after > which TD could either retire or start something completely different. > Let's see what happens... Dennis, Chris, and All. Remember this (written in 1996)? ... in 1996, the band resumed touring their European homelands with a one-off gig in London and spoke as optimistically of the future as always (more tours, more compilations, more soundtracks, and a planned choral-orchestral extravaganza based on Dante's DIVINE COMEDY for the year 2000, after which Edgar Froese claims he will have done all he needs to with the band and hand it over to Jerome). - Paul Stump, 'Digital Gothic', page 119. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35293 Re: Remember: Ed is retiring (was: The E (de ?) v Dennis Nigbur Fri 8/9/2002 4 KB 35296 Re: Remember: Ed is retiring (was: The E (de ?) v Gustavo Jobim Fri 8/9/2002 2 KB 35304 Re: Remember: Ed is retiring (was: The E (de ?) v Chris Owen Fri 8/9/2002 5 KB From: Marko Marin Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 7:11 am Subject: [tadream] Re: Nostalgy --- mikael.jussila@p... wrote: > >A friend bought Live Miles for me in... > >in the last half of the year 2000 (I think... or > was > >it 2001...)and liked it. After that I bought Alpha > >Centauri and Rubycon. Liked them too. > > Yes, it was in November 2000. And actually, I also > bought Alpha and Rubycon for you. No real reason to > note this, just blowing my own horn. ;) That's what you always do! > >Biggest problem in the new albums are the length. > > This is certainly one reason, but doesn't explain it > all. For example, look Schulze's albums. Timewind > lasts about an hour, and I think it's too short! Yes, yes... the other reason is that Edgar uses same synth pads over and over so the sound is always the same... like in Mars Polaris, The Great Wall Of China and The Seven Letters From Tibet. Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35287 Re: Nostalgy mars103nl Fri 8/9/2002 3 KB From: Marko Marin Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 7:17 am Subject: [tadream] Re: Nostalgy --- Armin Theissen wrote: > Hm, I'm not so convinced with the quality of > Hollywood composers > in general. Usually they follow a well established > recipe. > Some of them even repeat all the time (James > Horner), or even > steal (compare 'Batman' and the french 'Cyrano de > Bergerac'!) > > What an Oscar says about quality is another issue... > > armin's 2 cents I agree. Oscars aren't today nothing more than a joke. A bad joke, that is. Anyway, there are many good composers but the repeating their style is one of the problems. Or in Hans Zimmer's case, young composers (mostly from Media Ventures ;-) are copying the old Zimmerian style (1994-1998) in several action movies, so that style is nowdays just dull. Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 7:27 am Subject: album releases per year >How many albums do they release a year ? its not that many .Dream Mixes 3 >last year, and Inferno this year .Have I missed any ? well, yes the DVD of legend and the SACD of rubycon as well as the new 3CD sanctuary compilation. but if you meant specifically from TDI then I'd say you at least missed the ground liftaz vinyl. And as for the first question I'd answer it this way some years they release waay more than others. Some of it is repackaging with subtle and not so subtle artwork variation, sound quality variation, and varying tracks within same or similarly titled releases--see ambient monkeys for major variations in artwork, and some subtle track variation and say the rubycon SACD, the legend DVD, and now, purportedly, the 3 CD sanctuary compilation. so a quick look at allmusic.com shows for rereleases or rebundled look something like this just for 1999 and 2000: 1999 Atlantic Bridges Tangerine 1999 Atlantic Walls Tangerine 1999 Timesquare Tangerine 1999 Valentine Dream Import 1999 The Hollywood Years, Vol. 1 Tangerine 1999 The Hollywood Years, Vol. 2 Tangerine 2000 Tang-Go EFA 2000 Dream Sequence: The Best of Tangerine Dream Virgin 2000 Best of the Blue Years, Vol. 2 Castle 2000 Best of the Blue Years Castle 2000 I-Box 1970-1990 and primarily not repackaged for said years: 1999 Transsiberia: The Russian Express Railway... Tangerine 1999 Sohoman Tangerine 1999 Dream Encores Tangerine 1999 Quinoa Tangerine 1999 Mars Polaris Tangerine 1999 Architecture in Motion Miramar 1999 What a Blast: Architecture in Motion TDI 2000 Great Wall of China Tangerine 2000 Live Miles [2000] Castle Music 2000 Soundmill Navigator: Live at the... TDI 2000 Antiques Dreams Tangerine 2000 The Seven Letters From Tibet TDI about 22 releases if you edit out the obvious duplications within those 2 years and single track releases of various artist compilations--e.g. orbital 'back to mine' bottom line is if you look at the output of TD a reduction in quantity released per annum does not guarantee quality. And certainly there were years when quality was high and output was, too. In fact as many as 5+ original issues in a year still showed strong to very strong quality. 1999 and 2000 are prime recent examples--1984 being another. --T _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: 'mars103nl' Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 8:03 am Subject: Re: Nostalgy --- In tadream@y..., Marko Marin wrote: > > Yes, yes... the other reason is that Edgar uses same > synth pads over and over so the sound is always the > same... like in Mars Polaris, The Great Wall Of China > and The Seven Letters From Tibet. It is weird though because they were using a lot of the same pads in the 70s too, just think of the mellotron. They used it, I think, for almost 10 years or so. Not that I'm complaining. I personally don't think it is about nostalgy at least not for me, because I never heard TD in my younger years (I feel old when I say that) plus the first albums from TD I heard were Tyger and LiveMiles. For me it's the adventure and taking time for things to develop what I like. The same reason I like the Dark Side of the Moog series a thousand miles better then Dream Mixes...it's got adventure and takes time. In the 70s and 80s they (and not only TD) played 'darker', it's more positive now...I like the dark. :-) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 9:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Nostagy Gustavo Jobim wrote: > Edgar was talking about, I find such later releases like Mars Polaris > interestingly similar to, for example, Zeit. Can you tell which track in > Zeit is which, except for the cello quartet intro from the first track? very very well!!! your Zeit fan armin ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Marion Horrod Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 9:30 am Subject: nostalgia for the not-experienced >To those of us who weren't > around to listen to these works when they were new, the 'old stuff' > represents an idealised version ... I think I see what you're getting at, Dennis. Like people wishing for 'the good old days' - they only think about the good bits. So, for example, people wishing for a 'return to Victorian values' think only about the firm moral stance, and forget the hypocrisy. You youngsters think only about Nottingham 1976, and forget about ......? LnH Marion From: Marion Horrod Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 9:53 am Subject: Nostalgia Thomas, you talk a lot of good sense. And I would choose the very same tracks as you to illustrate what's best about the 'new' stuff. I love the idea of producing '7 letters' using old analogue gear. Why not? After all, people use 'classical' instruments to make the music of the time, deliberately eschewing the benefits of more recent innovations like valves on brass instruments. And '7 letters' seems to me to be very much rooted in the 70's. And I agree that maybe they are releasing too much for good 'quality control' - there are many reasons why this may be so and we can (and do) debate it endlessly. We can't know without getting inside their heads, and I have given up speculating. I agree that the addition of a third musician could help creatively. However, to make the majority of people on this list happy, that third musician would have to be of a very specific genre. How about Marcel (FSP)? I'm sure he'd jump at the chance! Or maybe, after all this time, Edgar should get back together with Steve Schroyder? Although he seems to be happy, and doing good work, with Jens in Star Sounds Orchestra. Maybe the two bands should amalgamate? Hmm, the thought of what might come out of _that_ collaboration is interesting. What you say about history is true, as well. If you mention TD to a non-fan, the kind of music they will think of is the 'classic' stuff. I am forever surprising friends by telling them 'actually, that's Tangerine Dream' - except that they've now come to expect it of me! And speaking of bavarian songs - can anybody tell me what 'bavarian fusion' is? I saw it listed amongst a list of EM sub-genres!?!??? LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35291 Re: Nostalgia mengels@w... Fri 8/9/2002 3 KB 35325 Nostalgia Marion Horrod Sat 8/10/2002 3 KB From: mengels@w... Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 10:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Nostalgia > Citeren Marion Horrod : > > I agree that the addition of a third musician could help creatively. > However, to make the majority of people on this list happy, that third > musician would have to be of a very specific genre. How about Marcel (FSP)? > > I'm sure he'd jump at the chance! :-) Well I'm not so sure though. I must say I'm quite happy where I am now. Plus I make the music I want to do. But it would be interested to see what comes out and how that co-operation will turn out. It turned out quite well with the Okefenokee gatherings. > Maybe the > two bands should amalgamate? Thats an interesting word! What does it mean? I would almost use that as a title track. :-) > What you say about history is true, as well. If you mention TD to a > non-fan, the kind of music they will think of is the 'classic' stuff. I am > forever surprising friends by telling them 'actually, that's Tangerine > Dream' - except that they've now come to expect it of me! Most non-EM listeners know TD from the Phaedra and Rubycon area. Is it because it was played on the radio by John Peel? Would people know the newer records by TD if those would be played on the radio these days? Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... __________________________________________________________ Snel en gemakkelijk mailen? Gebruik Wanadoo Webmail || http://www.wanadoo.nl/webmail From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 11:17 am Subject: yet another homepage update Hi all, I got my swaplist updated, the most interesting new item available is: CD - COMPILATIONS ----------------- Russian MP3 Collection, all TD albums 1970-2000 on 8 CDs, m/m and I have updated the 'Best TD CDRs' page to cover the Digital Soundtrack Collection as well. have a look at http://www.caby.de cheers, klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 12:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Remember: Ed is retiring (was: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese) Yep, I remember it. Thanks for digging out the source, Mark. I also get the impression, though, that Edgar may not have achieved everything with TD that he had set out to achieve when this retirement plan arose. It's still possible that he decides to retire soon now, but since a few projects seem to have been put on the back burner in favour of 'Inferno', it would surprise me if Edgar didn't make sure he sees them through. Dennis On 8 Aug 2002 at 23:31, Mark Filipak wrote: > Dennis Nigbur wrote: > > > > On 6 Aug 2002 at 20:47, Chris Owen wrote: > > > > > After the Inferno project, I feel TD need to evolve again, and > > > progress into a new era. Edgar promised this exact thing about 5 > > > years ago. I hope he's just been postponing this progression in > > > TD's history rather than cancelling it altogether. > > > > I think you're right! Inferno seems like the kind of project after > > which TD could either retire or start something completely > > different. Let's see what happens... > > Dennis, Chris, and All. Remember this (written in 1996)? > > ... in 1996, the band resumed touring their European homelands with > a one-off gig in London and spoke as optimistically of the future as > always (more tours, more compilations, more soundtracks, and a > planned choral-orchestral extravaganza based on Dante's DIVINE > COMEDY for the year 2000, after which Edgar Froese claims he will > have done all he needs to with the band and hand it over to Jerome). > - Paul Stump, 'Digital Gothic', page 119. > > -- Mark > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Pete Dandy' Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:34 pm Subject: Re(off Topic) Edgar Froese-The Worlds Number One: ________________ > >Message: 18 > Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 18:28:18 -0000 > From: 'convention24' >Subject: > >Edgar Froese-There is no Doubt in my mind that this man is the >absolute GREATEST of all time,Edgar we LOVE you. > Love From Colin, Julie Colin JNR & Stefan South Wales UK Jees buddy your weirdness is freakin me out !!!! there`s being a fan and all but i think you are 'in love' with Edgar . pssss ......does your wife know about it ???? ;) Pete > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35309 Re: Re(off Topic) Edgar Froese-The Worlds Number convention24 Fri 8/9/2002 3 KB 35313 Re: Re(off Topic) Edgar Froese-The Worlds Number Mark Filipak Fri 8/9/2002 3 KB From: Philip Meyer Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 2:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] downloaders please report >Who is trying to log into the hosts? >Can you get in? >Have you been able to establish communication/permissions with the hosts? >What are your download rates? >Are you using a download manager? > I am trying to download. I have downloaded a couple of the volumes, and also resumed downloading of TT1 :) No problem contacting the friendly bunch of people providing the FTP servers, but the demand to download from these servers is making it hard to connect. I am getting 12K/s from the one server that I have managed to connect to for TT2. I don't mind that it takes a while, as I have ADSL, so I'm not paying for time connected, and can leave the PC on over night. I use GetRight download manager. Hey, I just noticed a little Beatles riff in TT1, volume 1, disk 1, track 3. Sounds like Hard Days Night. Phil ------------------------------ Phil Meyer ICQ:10029030 http://www.hergest.demon.co.uk From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 9:45 pm Subject: Re: Remember: Ed is retiring (was: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese) `(...)a planned > choral-orchestral extravaganza based on Dante's DIVINE COMEDY for the > year 2000, after which Edgar Froese claims he will have done all he > needs to with the band and hand it over to Jerome). - Paul Stump, > 'Digital Gothic', page 119. > -- Mark Maybe this will sound like heresy to some, but I would like to know where Jerome would take the TD music without Edgar when (if) this happens. (and if he'd look for a new member...) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'Admin' Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 3:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] downloaders please report > Hey, I just noticed a little Beatles riff in TT1, volume 1, disk 1, track 3. > Sounds like Hard Days Night. Did you see my post on the Beetles? I am almost sure there is a tad more to this than what I dug up so far. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Philip Meyer' To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] downloaders please report > >Who is trying to log into the hosts? > >Can you get in? > >Have you been able to establish communication/permissions with the hosts? > >What are your download rates? > >Are you using a download manager? > > > I am trying to download. I have downloaded a couple of the volumes, and also > resumed downloading of TT1 :) > > No problem contacting the friendly bunch of people providing the FTP servers, > but the demand to download from these servers is making it hard to connect. > > I am getting 12K/s from the one server that I have managed to connect to for > TT2. I don't mind that it takes a while, as I have ADSL, so I'm not paying for > time connected, and can leave the PC on over night. > > I use GetRight download manager. > > Hey, I just noticed a little Beatles riff in TT1, volume 1, disk 1, track 3. > Sounds like Hard Days Night. > > Phil > > ------------------------------ > Phil Meyer > ICQ:10029030 > http://www.hergest.demon.co.uk > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35305 Re: downloaders please report Jonathan Holt Fri 8/9/2002 3 KB 35319 Re: downloaders please report Philip Meyer Sat 8/10/2002 2 KB From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 3:24 pm Subject: Tr: [tadream] Re: Remember: Ed is retiring (was: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar >De: Gustavo Jobim >Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 14:45:46 GMT >Sujet: [tadream] Re: Remember: Ed is retiring (was: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese) > >`(...)a planned >> choral-orchestral extravaganza based on Dante's DIVINE COMEDY for the >> year 2000, after which Edgar Froese claims he will have done all he >> needs to with the band and hand it over to Jerome). - Paul Stump, >> 'Digital Gothic', page 119. >> -- Mark > >Maybe this will sound like heresy to some, but I would like to know where >Jerome would take the TD music without Edgar when (if) this happens. (and if >he'd look for a new member...) > Well, if he goes the timesquare - DM3 direction, it's OK for me (I don't like the first one that much). But If Edgar ever retires, then, they will really have to find out at least one new member. That said, I recall a quote from Edgar saying TD was fully booked until 2007. Am I wrong? Thomas >Gustavo Jobim >gustavojobim@n... > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 3:43 pm Subject: Ed retiring >Gustavo Jobim asked: > >Maybe this will sound like heresy to some, but I would like to know where >Jerome would take the TD music without Edgar when (if) this happens. (and if >he'd look for a new member...) I used to have a lot of hope for the future. At least until I heard the TDJRome stuff. I liked Dream Mixes, but I can see now that he did not do the Dream Mixes albums without involvement from Edgar. Hopefully a few years from now while some of us are still young he'll think to himself 'I could really use a new car' and release a 20 CD boxed set of concerts. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35300 Re: Ed retiring Paul Lawler Fri 8/9/2002 3 KB 35301 Re: Ed retiring Gustavo Jobim Fri 8/9/2002 2 KB 35302 Re: Ed retiring PERGAMON Fri 8/9/2002 4 KB 35451 Re: Ed retiring Scott Mon 8/12/2002 2 KB From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 4:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ed retiring ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:43 PM Subject: [tadream] Ed retiring > > I used to have a lot of hope for the future. At least until I heard the > TDJRome stuff. I liked Dream Mixes, but I can see now that he did not do > the Dream Mixes albums without involvement from Edgar. I like the TDJRome stuff a lot (well the bits I`ve downloaded anyway) are these available on CD or is it just vinyl ? I think Edgars involvement in DMixes is mostly that he co-wrote the stuff being re-mixed .I feel that Jerome is the driving force of TD now , and I think he`s a very talented tunesmith .I wouldn`t be suprised if the next member of TD (after Ed retires) would be a DJ of some kind , somebody off the Ground Liftaz label perhaps ? I wouldn`t have thought there would be another Haslinger for instance . Only time will tell . Paul > > Hopefully a few years from now while some of us are still young he'll think > to himself 'I could really use a new car' and release a 20 CD boxed set of > concerts. > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 11:10 pm Subject: Re: Ed retiring > I used to have a lot of hope for the future. At least until I heard the > TDJRome stuff. I liked Dream Mixes, but I can see now that he did not do > the Dream Mixes albums without involvement from Edgar. I don't really have a hope, but it's more like curiosity; btw, what an ugly name 'TDJRome' is. > > Hopefully a few years from now while some of us are still young he'll think to himself 'I could really use a new car' and release a 20 CD boxed set of concerts. for which I probably won't have the money for, nor will be willing to spend on that, if I happen to have the money. GJ np. Mars polaris btw. track 3, whatever it's called. From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 3:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ed retiring Hi all Why does this thread keep on coming back?????........there has been alot of rumours throughout the years about TD stopping, Edgar Froese retiring etc etc...............Does anyone have any confirmation about this......????? I find it VERY hard to believe, that a man who has been on the music-scene for 35+, is going to stop. This is what he does. This is what he likes. Why stop. Edgar Froese is making the music he likes, he has the funds and record-company to do this. I think Edgar Froese has to much love for music and for making music to quit. He may go solo, may start a new band, but I do not believe that Edgar Froese will stop making music. Would any of you out there making music????? Just think of f.ex. Bob Dylan, Paul Mccartney..............I simply can not imagine them stop making music.......... Just my 2 cents........... Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 5:43 PM Subject: [tadream] Ed retiring > > >Gustavo Jobim asked: > > > >Maybe this will sound like heresy to some, but I would like to know where > >Jerome would take the TD music without Edgar when (if) this happens. (and if > >he'd look for a new member...) > > I used to have a lot of hope for the future. At least until I heard the > TDJRome stuff. I liked Dream Mixes, but I can see now that he did not do > the Dream Mixes albums without involvement from Edgar. > > Hopefully a few years from now while some of us are still young he'll think > to himself 'I could really use a new car' and release a 20 CD boxed set of > concerts. > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 4:16 pm Subject: record/LP help in the Denver area Very sorry for the off topic bandwidth everyone. I need to find someone in the Denver, Colorado area that knows about record collecting, and/or the local used record shops. All others, please just ignore or delete this post. Thanks Neal From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Remember: Ed is retiring (was: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese) Thinking back, the first I remember about Edgar putting some sort of cap on TD's longevity was in an interview in the UK music press many years ago, in which he says that TD will only last maybe 20 years from its inception (which would mean they should have stopped in 1990 at the latest, 20 years from their frist LP). I think the reason Edgar keeps going is because (as Jan has said), making music is in his blood, and to still be going strong 32 years after that first LP means he still feels he has a lot of creativity inside him. Plus, after having lived the life he has, the idea of retiring from TD must seem an awful prospect, and maybe one he doesn't want to face (I think I would feel the same were I in his shoes). If he retires, what will he do with his spare time? Travel? Write some music? Take up photography? Heck, he does all these things in TD anyway! TD is his life. Edgar has always taken his health very seriously too, and had he lived the reckless life of a typical rock star (the jumping about on stage, the all-night parties, the drink and drugs excesses), then he might not be in a physical condition to carry on at his age. But Edgar seems in pretty good state for a guy of 58. Long may he continue, but only if he feels he can contribute in a positive way to TD's musical journey. - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Filipak To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 8:31 PM Subject: [tadream] Remember: Ed is retiring (was: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese) > Dennis Nigbur wrote: > > > > On 6 Aug 2002 at 20:47, Chris Owen wrote: > > > > > After the Inferno project, I feel TD need to evolve again, and > > > progress into a new era. Edgar promised this exact thing about 5 > > > years ago. I hope he's just been postponing this progression in > > > TD's history rather than cancelling it altogether. > > > > I think you're right! Inferno seems like the kind of project after > > which TD could either retire or start something completely different. > > Let's see what happens... > > Dennis, Chris, and All. Remember this (written in 1996)? > > ... in 1996, the band resumed touring their European homelands with a > one-off gig in London and spoke as optimistically of the future as > always (more tours, more compilations, more soundtracks, and a planned > choral-orchestral extravaganza based on Dante's DIVINE COMEDY for the > year 2000, after which Edgar Froese claims he will have done all he > needs to with the band and hand it over to Jerome). - Paul Stump, > 'Digital Gothic', page 119. > > -- Mark > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Jonathan Holt Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 5:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] downloaders please report I checked this just the other night - no question it is A Hard Days Night by the Beatles... cute! --- Admin wrote: > > Hey, I just noticed a little Beatles riff in TT1, > volume 1, disk 1, track > 3. > > Sounds like Hard Days Night. > > > Did you see my post on the Beetles? > I am almost sure there is a tad more to this than > what I dug up so far. > > dale > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 5:43 pm Subject: Ed Retiring >Gustavo said: > > > > Hopefully a few years from now while some of us are still young he'll > think >to himself 'I could really use a new car' and release a 20 CD boxed set of >concerts. > >for which I probably won't have the money for, nor will be willing to spend >on that, if I happen to have the money. If it's untouched concerts, maybe with a little remastering, I'll sell my body for it. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35307 Re: Ed Retiring omegatransfinito Fri 8/9/2002 2 KB From: 'omegatransfinito' Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 7:23 pm Subject: Re: Ed Retiring > > > > Hopefully a few years from now while some of us are still young he'll > > think > >to himself 'I could really use a new car' and release a 20 CD boxed set of > >concerts. > > > >for which I probably won't have the money for, nor will be willing to spend > >on that, if I happen to have the money. > > If it's untouched concerts, maybe with a little remastering, I'll sell my > body for it. > > -Morgan And if they'd all be like Soundmill Navigator, you would probably want to sell a few parts of Edgar's body. :^> John Vertical From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 7:38 pm Subject: Edgar Retiring >And if they'd all be like Soundmill Navigator, you would probably >want to sell a few parts of Edgar's body. :^> > >John Vertical If you mean the tape flaw, that can be decently repaired and still sound better than the best bootleg. If you mean the overdubs, Edgar could do a nice EM CD in the vein of the overdubs he did on Soundmill. I would only be happy with a 20 CD set if it were archival releases, warts and all. Ideally, Jerome would contact, through Martin K or others, TD fans who have a talent for remastering. Then the remastered discs would be listened to be a few sets of golden ears and if approved, released. Remastering can color the sound of a concert very differently than how it was intended or how itsounded or worse, remove vital elements to the sound. I have to admit I have heard cases of both in recent projects. It's like remastering a painting. When does it stop being remastering and start turning into something else? I don't think just one person can judge this. -Morgan -Morgan From: 'convention24' Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 7:42 pm Subject: Re: Re(off Topic) Edgar Froese-The Worlds Number One: --- In tadream@y..., 'Pete Dandy' wrote: > > > > ________________ > > > >Message: 18 > > Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 18:28:18 -0000 > > From: 'convention24' > >Subject: > > > >Edgar Froese-There is no Doubt in my mind that this man is the > >absolute GREATEST of all time,Edgar we LOVE you. > > Love From Colin, Julie Colin JNR & Stefan South Wales UK > > > Jees buddy your weirdness is freakin me out !!!! there`s being a fan and all > but i think you are 'in love' with Edgar . pssss ......does your wife know > about it ???? ;) > > Pete > Hello Pete Yes my wife does know about it,she quite fancies Edgar herself,we sleep with Edgars towel which i got at Shepherds Bush concert of 12,5,01 every night,she seems to think that EF is the Stud of the music scene. Best regards CJ > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: 'miles macmillan' Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 8:00 pm Subject: Extracts from Poland Hi folks, I recently acquired the CD, Extracts From Poland on the Jive Electro label. The CD has just 3 songs from Poland instead of 4 and I am guessing they are identical to the versions that I already have on my Poland CD since the time lengths are virtually the same. Can anyone tell me if this CD is rare or pretty common and whether it is worth keeping for any reason, except for completion purposes. Sorry, I don't remember it being discussed during the last Poland thread a while back. Thanks. Miles MacMillan P.S. If there is anyone out there who uses Cubase VST 32 and the Audigy Platinum EX Soundcard and has time to answer a question offlist, please contact me. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35328 Re: Extracts from Poland Dennis Nigbur Sat 8/10/2002 3 KB 35333 Re: Extracts from Poland Paul Dryden Sat 8/10/2002 4 KB 35339 Re: Extracts from Poland Wade Gordon Sat 8/10/2002 3 KB From: Simon Fay Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 8:07 pm Subject: Nostalgia (aka Edgar's retirement clock), Bavarian Fusion, Klaus Krieger/Kruger again Someone posted a frightening list of TDI 'product' from the last 3 years. And the notion of TD being booked until twenty-oh-seven. That sums it up really. An incessantly productive business talking the language of the present age. Then again, maybe if the Net had been around in 1980 and the surfeit of info & opinions (and consequent commercial options/avenues) had been around then maybe Edgar's colours might have become apparent earlier. I too remember the 'retirement in 2000' thing, but doubt he'll step down until Arthur Andersen rolls out Cubase. Someone asked about 'Bavarian Fusion' - don't know any EM variants but Die Interpreten do some nice Alpine-flavoured stuff on two saxes and percussion, and Austrian duo Attwenger do a brilliant Folk-meets-HipHop child of Bierhalle Lieder. I ask again - will one of you techie bastards please vouch for Klaus K's stuff? thanks SF __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 9:51 pm Subject: Virgin TAND SBMs -- complete list Hi All! Here's the complete list of the 'TAND' series of SBMs from Virgin, UK (except for TAND 12, which I have as made in The Netherlands). TTBOMK, they all came out in 1995. TAND 1 - 'Encore' TAND 2 - 'White Eagle' TAND 3 - 'Logos' TAND 4 - 'Hyperborea' TAND 5 - 'Phaedra' TAND 6 - 'Rubycon' TAND 7 - 'Ricochet' TAND 8 - 'Stratosfear' TAND 9 - 'Cyclone' TAND 10 - 'Force Majeure' TAND 11 - 'Tangram' TAND 12 - 'Thief' TAND 13 - 'Exit' Ciao -- Mark From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 10:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re(off Topic) Edgar Froese-The Worlds Number One: Pete Dandy wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 18:28:18 -0000 > > From: 'convention24' > > > > Edgar Froese-There is no Doubt in my mind that this man is the > > absolute GREATEST of all time,Edgar we LOVE you. > > Love From Colin, Julie Colin JNR & Stefan South Wales UK > > Jees buddy your weirdness is freakin me out !!!! there`s being a fan > and all but i think you are 'in love' with Edgar . pssss ......does > your wife know about it ???? ;) I'm weird too. IMHO, Edgar Froese is one of the greatest musical geniuses of the late 20th and early 21st centuries. I love everything he has ever done. I'm sure if I could tape his toilet flushing, I'd love that too. IMHO dear reader, if there's anything Edgar has done that you don't like, the problem is with you, not with Edgar. I know you're just kidding, Pete. Anyone else who takes this seriously, flame away. I can take it. Colin, I envy you your towel. No offense intended, but keep your wife. I'll take the towel. After listening to TD continuously for 26 years, all I can say is: Tangerine Dream rules and Edgar Froese is a god! Ciao -- Mark (...how can 'Edgar Froese-The Worlds Number One' be off topic?...) From: Éric Rochon Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 10:34 pm Subject: Looking for my branch TT2 Hi folks This message goes to my branch. Could you get in touch with me so we could agree to some trade or exchange. The reason I am going via the group is that I can't read properly my branch email. Sorry !! Éric From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 10:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Album length (was 'Nostagy', whatever that is) ----- Original Message ----- From: > I can't see how simply dropping tracks off an album would make it better. Because limiting oneself, and being able to focus creative powers, is an art in itself. At least a virtue. Glenn From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 11:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Album length Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > I can't see how simply dropping tracks off an album would make it > > better. > > Because limiting oneself, and being able to focus creative powers, is > an art in itself. At least a virtue. > > Glenn Erm... Glenn, aren't you being a little presumptuous? Only the artist can judge what 'fits' and what doesn't, and only the artist can decide what an 'album-size' amount of music is, and only the artist can decide when the music is 'ready'. Once upon a time, an artist went into the studio once or twice a month to record something and it was the record company executives who decided what to release as singles, what should be put on albums, what should be on side-A and what should be on side-B, and what should be used to 'fill' the LP out. But those days are long over. I'm not so naive as to think that no artists add 'filler', but I don't think many do -- at least, I don't think many non-pop artists do. Why do you think if Edgar produced less music that it would be 'better'? Of course, 'better' is purely subjective and from a personal viewpoint usually means 'that I like more'. Following this line of reasoning, if there are tracks that you find don't fit, you always have the option to program your CD player or to burn your own compilation. You know, creativity is not a limited thing. Often, the more one creates, the more one is able to create. It does not come from a store house that can become depleted. Creativity is like a muscle. The more you use it, the bigger it gets. How big can it get? That's limited only by one's imagination, and it's imagination that may be in short supply. Sorry but I don't think that 'focus creative powers' is meaningful. Ciao -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35332 Re: Album length Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Med Sat 8/10/2002 6 KB 35335 Re: Album length Mark Filipak Sat 8/10/2002 7 KB 35424 Re: Album length quarlie@a... Sun 8/11/2002 2 KB 35428 Re: Album length Chris Owen Sun 8/11/2002 3 KB 35434 Re: Album length quarlie@a... Mon 8/12/2002 2 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] BLUE CRUSH + US Priority Rates This is interesting - is this Blue Crush movie out yet? I've been out of the movie scene lately. I also want to mention a bit of news for me about the new USA priority mail rates. I just found out that since PRIORITY mail went up, they also have started to price the mail by ZIP CODE. So when I send something from New York to California, it costs more than sending it to my next door neighbor - and before it didn't matter. Now I know why the same package costs more to different addresses! So some of us may have to re-think what we have to charge for priority mail in the USA. Slowly the USPS is looking like FedEx and UPS. I still like the idea of paying one price whether if it goes next door or to Alaska or Hawaii. Vic P.S. Still listening to Evolution of DSOM - just great! ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Jean To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:30 PM Subject: [tadream] New Haslinger Movie Score BLUE CRUSH > http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id=1808396025&cf=cast&intl=us > From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:40 am Subject: Re: Tr:Booked til 2007 It's not that hard to cancel a concert as we in the US know only too well. 8-( Dell >That said, I recall a quote from Edgar saying TD was fully booked until >2007. Am I wrong? > >Thomas As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: Philip Meyer Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 5:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] downloaders please report Hi 'Admin' , >Did you see my post on the Beetles? >I am almost sure there is a tad more to this than what I dug up so far. > Erm... let's just say that I'm a little bit behind with the mailing list emails. 12577 unread at the moment ;) I just search through occasionally for topics of interest, whilst I catch up. Phil ------------------------------ Phil Meyer ICQ:10029030 http://www.hergest.demon.co.uk From: Liondream@a... Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 5:51 am Subject: the power of three I think there is a certain dimension when you have three people collaborating that is missing when you have only two. So, I agree with the thoughts being passed around vis a vis thoughts for a third person. I can also see the comment that someone made about that person being a dj. Some of the techno production techniques that I hear employed on recent td releases add a cool element to the music, imo. If nothing else, I find it interesting to work with people who are just discovering the importance of the cutoff control on a filter, for example... people who are new to synthesizers perhaps. I imagine (well, I don't have to imagine) that if you've been around synths for say twenty years or so, you start to take things for granted and it starts to lose a little of the freshness. (unless you make an effort to counter that) I used to be pretty much anti- dance and dj type music, but having been involved with some people in that area these past couple years, I find a good energy and freshness there and an 'honest' approach to the gear/software in terms of production that seems to sometimes be lacking in the traditional em arena. to me, it seems that em was by its very nature on the cutting edge of experimentation with sound and composition and that's what made it exciting seems like these days, one could say that many of the pioneers and their would-be heirs have fallen asleep [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35327 Re: the power of three Dennis Nigbur Sat 8/10/2002 2 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 5:51 am Subject: padz yes, thank you, marcel... I was going to mention the mellotron strings, etc. well, and you know the problem with say mozart and bach, those dudes always used the same string pads ...and you know Steve Hackett? He's been using that same guitar sound for thirty years now. BUT... the same old pad point is also very valid and well taken. It seems to me that a good way to approach it would be to dedicate at least one session a week or every other week (at the bare minimum) to just sound exploration/design. Okay, I have a synth or two (or more)... back in the old days upon purchasing a brand new synth, I would spend a while mangling all of the onboard sounds. My policy was that even if I absolutely loved one of the onboard sounds I would try to at least change some aspect of it to make it different and my own. I know of other people too, whose first thing upon getting a new piece home would be to wipe the memory. I see a parallel to this with acoustic instruments. When you purchase a new recorder for example, you basically have a piece of wood with holes in it. Then you have to break it in slowly by playing it only for a few minutes the first few days, etc. Perhaps part of the problem is that today's new synths (both hardware AND virtual) just have too many presets to deal with like that, and when you're not only creating music but trying to run a record company (EF not me) and also trying to live your life, time is probably always scarce. Still... when you're in the realm of em, in my opinion, sound design is part of the process, and so an effort should be made to spend at least some time exploring new sonic realms. Heck, if nothing else, just hit the random button on the librarian/editor! In a message dated 8/9/2002 12:02:27 PM Central Daylight Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > It is weird though because they were using > a lot of the same pads in the 70s too, > just think of the mellotron. They used it, > I think, for almost 10 years or so. Not that > I'm complaining. > I personally don't think it is about nostalgy > at least not for me, because I never heard TD > in my younger years > (I feel old when I say that) plus the first > albums from TD I heard were Tyger and LiveMiles. > For me it's the adventure and taking time for things > to develop what I like. The same reason I like > the Dark Side of the Moog series a thousand miles > better then Dream Mixes...it's got adventure and > takes time. > In the 70s and 80s they (and not only TD) played > 'darker', it's more positive now...I like the dark. :-) > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35323 Re: padz John Vertical Sat 8/10/2002 3 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 5:51 am Subject: number of tracks I agree with you daniel... you don't have to listen to all the tracks, and ones that one person dislikes might be another's favorites I will say one thing, which is that i appreciate that a t.d. cd is mostly a good value from a consumer pov, in the sense that they are maxing it out. it does kind of suk imo when you spend x amount on a cd and it turns out to be 35 minutes long or something (for newer albums - i'm not talking about cds of old albums, obviously vinyl had different time constraints). the thing is that 'maxing out' is cool with me as long as the songs are all on a level and not just filler obviously the key is to maintain a balance between giving the listener good value for their hard earned money and not just throwing stuff on there to fill it up In a message dated 8/9/2002 12:02:27 PM Central Daylight Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > ...? > > This makes no sense to me. True, they don't have to fill it up, but at the > same time, you don't have to listen to it all. > > I can't see how simply dropping tracks off an album would make it better. > Remember that the tracks you don't care about might be someone else's > favorites. > > --Daniel > NP: Children of Bodom - Follow the Reaper > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 7:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] padz >well, and you know the problem with say mozart and bach, those dudes always >used the same string pads Wait, here's an interesting point: since several different arrangements have been made from some classical pieces, wouldn't that be great for TD too? I can easily imagine an orchestral version of Tangram, for instance; and porting 7 Letters over to Mellotron etc. should be done ASAP. >BUT... the same old pad point is also very valid and well taken. It seems >to >me that a good way to approach it would be to dedicate at least one session >a >week or every other week (at the bare minimum) to just sound >exploration/design. Earlier, TD really spent most of their time to this. Maybe Edgar has had enough of both the endless designing and the sounds being stolen as presets. Oh well, he should still at least use a wider palette. What's wrong with reusing a sound from the 70s or the 80s anyway? Imagine taking a few sequences off Encore, White Eagle and Underwater Sunlight; some percussion from Le Parc; a few 76 Mellotron tapes; and a couple of other stuff from Poland, Force Majeure, Phaedra, Lily on the Beach... Then just compose something from those. Sounds promising. ',-) > > It is weird though because they were using > > a lot of the same pads in the 70s too, > > just think of the mellotron. They used it, > > I think, for almost 10 years or so. Not that > > I'm complaining. They had lotsa custom tapes so there's nothing you even could complain about. John Vertical np: TT vol15. I'll post a few reviews after I've listened the whole batch through a few times. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: Marion Horrod Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:35 am Subject: Pedants' corner #1032 Marcel, you asked what 'amalgamate' means. Quite simply, it is to combine. It also has some other meanings to do with mixing with mercury, with particular reference to the filling used in dentistry, but that wasn't what I had in mind when I wrote it. But these are would make it an even more interesting track title - because you can then spin off from mercury the element to mercury the planet and Mercury the classical god..... But what I really meant was just that they could join together to make something new with neither dominating the other. LnH Marion From: Marion Horrod Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:51 am Subject: Nostalgia Marcel speculated 'Most non-EM listeners know TD from the Phaedra and Rubycon area. Is it because it was played on the radio by John Peel?' I don't think it can be - most of my non-EM loving friends weren't around then! There just seems to be this universal archetype floating around, of TD as a band that plays long pieces of spacey, purely electronic music. Many people don't even know they're still recording these days, or only know of their more recent soundtrack music. Although, come to think of it, maybe the archetype, at least in the UK, did originate in those days, with John Peel's radio show and the Coventry Cathedral concert on TV. Those are the times when they were most in the public eye. Even people who didn't like the music knew who they were. In fact, I can remember as far back as the early eighties, a friend of mine criticising me for not liking any 'modern' music, then being surprised to hear that TD was still recording. (His next comment was to ask me whether they'd 'got that flute patch right yet'. Needless to say, we are no longer friends. ) LnH Marion From: Marion Horrod Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 10:04 am Subject: Edinburgh dreamers get together Is anybody interested in coming to a get together in Edinburgh (just a pub night)? I've been bouncing this idea around for a while, and there are now three other 'listizens' who also think it could be a good idea. It's an opportunity to get to know each other, make contacts for potential trades, car shares to events etc., and just have a good night out with like-minded people. It would probably be in early September, once the Festival crowds have gone down a bit. If anybody wants to come from further afield, I can put up three people (or a couple and two others) in reasonable comfort. Let me know off-list if you're interested. If you can't make any dates in early September, but would like to know if we do it again, let me know. LnH Marion From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 10:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] the power of three On 10 Aug 2002 at 1:51, Liondream@a... wrote: > I think there is a certain dimension when you have three people > collaborating that is missing when you have only two. So, I agree with > the thoughts being passed around vis a vis thoughts for a third > person. I've learnt at university that dyads and triads are quite different psychologically. Maybe that has and had an impact on the musical dynamic between the three or two members of TD at the time. Dennis From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 10:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Extracts from Poland I owned this CD ages ago thinking that it was the full version of Poland, until Morgan kindly bought the 2CD version including Tangent and Rarebird for me. I sold on the 'extracts' CD to a 2nd-hand CD shop in Canterbury and got about £4 for it. So either I was ripped off, or the CD isn't that rare. Dennis On 9 Aug 2002 at 16:00, miles macmillan wrote: > Hi folks, > > I recently acquired the CD, Extracts From Poland on the Jive Electro > label. The CD has just 3 songs from Poland instead of 4 and I am > guessing they are identical to the versions that I already have on my > Poland CD since the time lengths are virtually the same. Can anyone > tell me if this CD is rare or pretty common and whether it is worth > keeping for any reason, except for completion purposes. Sorry, I > don't remember it being discussed during the last Poland thread a > while back. Thanks. > > Miles MacMillan > > P.S. If there is anyone out there who uses Cubase VST 32 and the > Audigy Platinum EX Soundcard and has time to answer a question > offlist, please contact me. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 12:53 pm Subject: Edgar Froese I think as far as Iam concerned, Edgar IS Tangerine Dream. The 3 members is the best format for the band, with only 2, too much control is asserted from 1 or 2 people. Three gives you a fine triangle of 2 with 1, 1 against 2 etc. I, personally, am stuck in the 80's, and find the latest TD stuff alright but not classic. My first album(!) was 'White Eagle'. I do think something died when Chris left the band, but with TD the very great seems to come out of ashes of the poor- Force Majeure for example. 'Cyclone' was not regarded as a good album. Is it just me or should TD never try vocals? Saying that, I found DM1 and 2 good, but DM3 better for the inclosion of 80's material. Someone suggested I set fire to 'Sohoman' and dance round it, where do I get the 'real Sohoman' and replacements mentioned? (by the way, burning CD's smell awfull!!- just a joke!!!) Paulus.d_uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35358 Re: Edgar Froese Admin Sat 8/10/2002 3 KB 35439 Re: TD and vocals Dennis Nigbur Mon 8/12/2002 3 KB 35463 Re: TD and vocals Jonathan Holt Mon 8/12/2002 2 KB From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:07 pm Subject: Old Stories Perhaps one of you kind fellows out there can send me any info on the Chris Franke leaving story? This is probably a topic either already disscussed way back, but I dont know what happened!! Use my personal email address for this if it is off topic for the rest of the group. Thanks Paulus.d@f... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35334 Re: Old Stories Mark Filipak Sat 8/10/2002 3 KB 35353 Re: Old Stories Chris Owen Sat 8/10/2002 5 KB 35403 Re: Old Stories John Vertical Sun 8/11/2002 3 KB 35406 Re: Old Stories mikael.jussila@p... Sun 8/11/2002 3 KB 35408 Re: Old Stories John Vertical Sun 8/11/2002 3 KB 35414 Re: Old Stories Chris Owen Sun 8/11/2002 2 KB 35421 Re: Old Stories Gustavo Jobim Sun 8/11/2002 2 KB 35416 Re: Old Stories Mark Filipak Sun 8/11/2002 4 KB 35418 Re: Old Stories John Vertical Sun 8/11/2002 3 KB From: 'sequentc' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:08 pm Subject: TD Web Virtual Bulletin Board Is it not about time that this TD list moved on and went to a web-based community forum where this could be broken down into topics rather than the current emails that we have i.e. in date order only .......... surely it is about time that we looked to migrate elsewhere and changed the whole concept of how things are discussed..............it would be easier to search if everyone replied to specific topics and threads would be categorised instead of the current mess that we have on this list ?! Currently everyone just sends emails to the list that either 'disappear' and never get replied to ....or we all have to read emails that may not be of interest to us, with the new web based forums, new topics can be created or current topics can be replied to.... the whole database is searchable...etc etc .......... check out the following location for software and the new web discussion boards that I am sure will become more common place soon: Software: http://www.vbulletin.com/ Sample of the new discussion boards http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/ If there is no interest on this list to go that way....then I may buy my own Vbulletin licence and go out on the Internet myself and create my own Electronic Music Web Bulletin Forum ?! Munt1 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35338 Re: TD Web Virtual Bulletin Board Robert Grabowsky Sat 8/10/2002 4 KB 35348 Re: TD Web Virtual Bulletin Board Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Med Sat 8/10/2002 3 KB 35354 Re: TD Web Virtual Bulletin Board vic rek Sat 8/10/2002 4 KB 35359 Re: TD Web Virtual Bulletin Board Admin Sat 8/10/2002 4 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Album length ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Filipak' > Erm... Glenn, aren't you being a little presumptuous? I dont think so, unless you took my statement in a narrow meaning. > Only the artist can judge what 'fits' and what doesn't, and only the > artist can decide what an 'album-size' amount of music is, and only the > artist can decide when the music is 'ready'. This doesnt contradict what I said. When an artist has filled up an album and thinks his work is ready, he could give it another look and see if it can be improved by cutting away something. That's the art - to improve on something you think is ready. And it is always more difficult to cut away than add on something that is 'ready'. I am not saying that removing tracks always will make an album better. Sometimes that is all that it takes though. But to remove from something you think is as good as it can be, hurts more than adding to it, therefore it's a greater art. > Once upon a time, an artist went into the studio once or twice a month to > record something and it was the record company executives who decided > what to release as singles, what should be put on albums, what should be > on side-A and what should be on side-B, and what should be used to 'fill' > the LP out. But those days are long over. Those days are over? Hardly. Only for artists that are on their own labels or have small independant contracts. The music industry controls artists more now than ever. What is even more sad, is that before you had several big record companies so you had more choice as an artist, but now many have merged so in reality you only have 4-5 mega big companies to turn to. > I'm not so naive as to think that no artists add 'filler', but I don't > think many do -- at least, I don't think many non-pop artists do. Non-pop artists arent always more 'artistic' than pop artists. Just because you work with synthesizers, doesnt mean you have more artistic vision that someone who plays piano or guitars. > Why do you think if Edgar produced less music that it would be 'better'? Producing music is not the same as releasing music. Produce as much as you want Edgar, but you dont have to release it all. > Following this line of reasoning, if there are tracks that you find don't > fit, you always have the option to program your CD player or to burn your > own compilation. This will always be the case with anyone buying any music, since you can never please everybody, so I find this argument totally irrelevant. And following your line of reasoning, there is never anything the artist cant remove from his album. > You know, creativity is not a limited thing. Often, the more one creates, > the more one is able to create. It does not come from a store house that > can become depleted. Creativity is like a muscle. The more you use it, > the bigger it gets. But any number of artists will also tell you that if you limit your tools, you have to depend more on your creativity to create something interesting. With more tools, it's easy to be lazy. Let's say Edgar can only make 4 tracks for his next album. That should present another set of challenges than compared to the nowadays standard 10-12 track albums. The framework of only 4 tracks is one production tool so why not see what he can do with it. > Sorry but I don't think that 'focus creative powers' is meaningful. Compare that to an athlete who trains and trains for 3 years to participate in the Olympics. Everything he does is focused on those 40 seconds or whatever that will be the peak of his carreer. If he focus as much energy on any local tournament, he will be spread too thin when the Olympics arrive. Glenn From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Extracts from Poland Hang on a minute-whats rarebird? The Jive electro album don't have that on it! Paulus.d_uk ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Dennis Nigbur' To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Extracts from Poland I owned this CD ages ago thinking that it was the full version of Poland, until Morgan kindly bought the 2CD version including Tangent and Rarebird for me. I sold on the 'extracts' CD to a 2nd-hand CD shop in Canterbury and got about £4 for it. So either I was ripped off, or the CD isn't that rare. Dennis On 9 Aug 2002 at 16:00, miles macmillan wrote: > Hi folks, > > I recently acquired the CD, Extracts From Poland on the Jive Electro > label. The CD has just 3 songs from Poland instead of 4 and I am > guessing they are identical to the versions that I already have on my > Poland CD since the time lengths are virtually the same. Can anyone > tell me if this CD is rare or pretty common and whether it is worth > keeping for any reason, except for completion purposes. Sorry, I > don't remember it being discussed during the last Poland thread a > while back. Thanks. > > Miles MacMillan > > P.S. If there is anyone out there who uses Cubase VST 32 and the > Audigy Platinum EX Soundcard and has time to answer a question > offlist, please contact me. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Mark Filipak Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 2:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories Ah, the old stories... 8^) Paul Dryden wrote: > > Perhaps one of you kind fellows out there can send me any info on the > Chris Franke leaving story? This is probably a topic either already > disscussed way back, but I dont know what happened!! Well, no one here really knows the full story except maybe Martin -- care to comment, Martin? ;-) Here's what Chris told Elana: 'In 1988, I recommended to the group that this would be a perfect time for us to take a break. We would have enough financial funds to survive a very long rest. No record company would sue us because we had finalized all the contracts. 1988 was the first time this kind of break was possible since my early childhood. 'The idea of a group break was pretty popular in Edgar's mind. He was seriously considering it. But with so many business possibilities striking his office every day, he changed his mind at the last moment.' - CF (to Elana Mell Beach). On the TDI web site, Edgar says that in 17 years of collaboration he and Chris met socially only once, when Chris' wife invited Edgar and Monika to their home for dinner. I get the strong sense from other interviews that Edgar resents Chris' use of some of the themes developed when they were together, especially stuff on 'The London Concert'. I understand that both guys are very friendly and have a well developed sense of humor, but something is not being said. Perhaps some day we will get the full story. Jealousy? Possessiveness? Disrespect? Clash of business/artist goals? Probably all of the above. All my opinion of course. Ciao -- Mark From: Mark Filipak Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Album length Hi Glenn! Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Mark Filipak' > > > Erm... Glenn, aren't you being a little presumptuous? > > I dont think so, unless you took my statement in a narrow meaning. > > > Only the artist can judge what 'fits' and what doesn't, and only the > > artist can decide what an 'album-size' amount of music is, and only > > the artist can decide when the music is 'ready'. > > This doesnt contradict what I said. When an artist has filled up an > album and thinks his work is ready, he could give it another look and > see if it can be improved by cutting away something. How many 'another looks' would that be? Most of the folks I know already do that. > That's the art - to improve on something you think is ready. And it > is always more difficult to cut away than add on something that is > 'ready'. > > I am not saying that removing tracks always will make an album better. > Sometimes that is all that it takes though. But to remove from > something you think is as good as it can be, hurts more than adding to > it, therefore it's a greater art. How many times have I read of an EM artist anguishing over what to cut out to fit on an LP or a CD? ... > > Once upon a time, an artist went into the studio once or twice a > > month to record something and it was the record company executives > > who decided what to release as singles, what should be put on > > albums, what should be on side-A and what should be on side-B, and > > what should be used to 'fill' the LP out. But those days are long > > over. > > Those days are over? Hardly. Only for artists that are on their own > labels or have small independant contracts. The music industry > controls artists more now than ever. What is even more sad, is that > before you had several big record companies so you had more choice > as an artist, but now many have merged so in reality you only have > 4-5 mega big companies to turn to. Oh, I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as it was, but before you object, note that I did give myself an out by allowing that pop artists, who are the people the 'biggies' screw with the most, do get chopped and diced by the rec. execs. Anyway, I was implicitely referring to EM artists. > > I'm not so naive as to think that no artists add 'filler', but I > > don't think many do -- at least, I don't think many non-pop artists > > do. > > Non-pop artists arent always more 'artistic' than pop artists. I didn't say they were. I merely said that they were popular. > Just because you work with synthesizers, doesnt mean you have more > artistic vision that someone who plays piano or guitars. Of course not. You don't expect me to rise to that kind of bait, do you? Ah well, troll on... > > Why do you think if Edgar produced less music that it would be > > 'better'? > > Producing music is not the same as releasing music. Produce as much > as you want Edgar, but you dont have to release it all. He, and only he will decide that. > > Following this line of reasoning, if there are tracks that you find > > don't fit, you always have the option to program your CD player or > > to burn your own compilation. > > This will always be the case with anyone buying any music, since you > can never please everybody, so I find this argument totally > irrelevant. And following your line of reasoning, there is never > anything the artist cant remove from his album. That's true. The artist can remove the entire album, at least before contracts are signed. The artist decides. I find it presumptuous of you to second guess any artist, especially EM artists who know they are going to sell 500 to 1000 CDs at best. If that's the situation, what does it matter whether the album gets out one month latter or not. Most of the musos on the lists I frequent couldn't give a snot about schedules until the papers are signed. > > You know, creativity is not a limited thing. Often, the more one > > creates, the more one is able to create. It does not come from a > > store house that can become depleted. Creativity is like a muscle. > > The more you use it, the bigger it gets. > > But any number of artists will also tell you that if you limit your > tools, you have to depend more on your creativity to create something > interesting. With more tools, it's easy to be lazy. Let's say Edgar > can only make 4 tracks for his next album. That should present another > set of challenges than compared to the nowadays standard 10-12 track > albums. The framework of only 4 tracks is one production tool so why > not see what he can do with it. Edgar makes the music he wants to make. He has all the tools he wants and he employs them exactly the way he wants, including the 'cut' function in his sound editor. > > Sorry but I don't think that 'focus creative powers' is meaningful. > > Compare that to an athlete who trains and trains for 3 years to > participate in the Olympics. Everything he does is focused on those > 40 seconds or whatever that will be the peak of his carreer. If he > focus as much energy on any local tournament, he will be spread too > thin when the Olympics arrive. Hmmm... Truely, 'A Time For Heroes.' I have an idea, Glenn. Next time you play a TD album, hold your finger on the fast play button. > Glenn Bye Glenn. -- Mark From: 'Pete Dandy' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1447 > > > > > Jees buddy your weirdness is freakin me out !!!! there`s being a >fan and all > > but i think you are 'in love' with Edgar . pssss ......does your >wife know > > > about it ???? ;) > > > > Pete > > Hello Pete > Yes my wife does know about it,she quite fancies Edgar herself,we >sleep with Edgars towel which i got at Shepherds Bush concert of >12,5,01 every night,she seems to think that EF is the Stud of the >music scene. > Best regards > CJ > > Ha Ha ! Now i know your only joking !!!!!! maybe your wife has threesome fantasies with you and Edgar banging away to Dream Mixes :) or even Gobblings club ;) I wouldn't`t sleep with that towel after that night . YOW !!!!! Pete _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35360 Re: Digest Number 1447 Admin Sat 8/10/2002 3 KB 35399 Re: Digest Number 1447 convention24 Sun 8/11/2002 3 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:05 pm Subject: Legal Live Tape trading network Hi guys, check this out, there's a filesharing network to trade live concerts, but only from bands who've officially allowed this: http://furthurnet.com The band's consent is entered through BTAT (Bands that allow taping): http://btat.wagnerone.com You'll see a few illustrous names on the list, not only the usual dopehead suspects. AC/DC, Pearl Jam, REM, Dire Straits, Metallica... Something we want to adverstise with TDI ? cheers klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35401 Re: Legal Live Tape trading network John Vertical Sun 8/11/2002 2 KB 35475 Re: Legal Live Tape trading network Dan Downey Mon 8/12/2002 4 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Web Virtual Bulletin Board I am perfectly happy with the way things are. Leave 'US' alone. THE HIGHLANDER At 02:08 PM 8/10/02 -0700, you wrote: >Is it not about time that this TD list moved on and went to a web-based >community forum where this could be broken down into topics rather than the >current emails that we have i.e. in date order only .......... surely it is >about time that we looked to migrate elsewhere and changed the whole concept >of how things are discussed..............it would be easier to search if >everyone replied to specific topics and threads would be categorised instead >of the current mess that we have on this list ?! > >Currently everyone just sends emails to the list that either 'disappear' and >never get replied to ....or we all have to read emails that may not be of >interest to us, with the new web based forums, new topics can be created or >current topics can be replied to.... the whole database is searchable...etc >etc .......... > >check out the following location for software and the new web discussion >boards that I am sure will become more common place soon: > >Software: >http://www.vbulletin.com/ > >Sample of the new discussion boards >http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/ > > >If there is no interest on this list to go that way....then I may buy my own >Vbulletin licence and go out on the Internet myself and create my own >Electronic Music Web Bulletin Forum ?! > >Munt1 > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Wade Gordon Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Extracts from Poland Is it the Teldec one. If it is it is very, very rare. Now, see if it is made in Japn or Germany. The Japanese one is the first run. Wade --- miles macmillan wrote: > Hi folks, > > I recently acquired the CD, Extracts From Poland on > the Jive Electro label. The CD has just 3 songs > from Poland instead of 4 and I am guessing they are > identical to the versions that I already have on my > Poland CD since the time lengths are virtually the > same. Can anyone tell me if this CD is rare or > pretty common and whether it is worth keeping for > any reason, except for completion purposes. Sorry, > I don't remember it being discussed during the last > Poland thread a while back. Thanks. > > Miles MacMillan > > P.S. If there is anyone out there who uses Cubase > VST 32 and the Audigy Platinum EX Soundcard and has > time to answer a question offlist, please contact > me. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:19 pm Subject: Rarebird? >From: 'Paul Dryden' >Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 10:24 am >Subject: Re: [tadream] Extracts from Poland > >Hang on a minute-whats rarebird? >The Jive electro album don't have that on it! >Paulus.d_uk You have the double CD? It's the last 5 minutes of the first disc. Some of the double CD sets have blue printing on the CDs. In this case, Rarebird is a separate unlisted index on disc 1. Some double CD sets have brown printing on the CDs. Rarebird is folded into Tangent, in this case so you must fast forward to get to it. The only reason Rarebird appears at the end of the first disc is that some lazy studio engineer simply laid down to CD the master tapes TD provided for the vinyl release which had to have no more than 20-22 minutes per side. When the vinyl was being produced, Rarebird would not fit at the end of the 2nd LP, which would have been chronologically accurate as to where it appeared in the concert (as the first of 3 encores, the other 2 being White Eagle and Choronzon). I wonder what would be involved in officially licensing Poland from Jive Electro and re-releasing it as an 80 minute CD with all of the music. I and a few others on the list have successfully trimmed the introduction in Polish, some of the applause, and repaired the fade out-in between Poland and Tangent to successfully get every scrap of music on a single CD. I also put Rarebird at the end of the disc. :) It's sad that it is very hard for new (or existing) TD fans to find the clunky 2 disc set just so they can get all the music. I wonder how many people would be interested in buying, outright, a single CD of Poland if it were officially licensed and produced. The other possibility is for me to go out and buy 10 copies of Extracts or Excerpts of Poland and then re-sell them with a 'bonus disc' as I describe, or with JUST the 80 minute disc and a note indicating that the original CD has been destroyed. I could include a shard of the CD as proof :) -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Liondream@a... Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:25 pm Subject: vst If you have any Cubase questions you can drop me a line. I may or may not be able to help. :-) All of your questions can also probably be answered at www.kvr-vst.com In a message dated 8/10/2002 5:55:33 AM Central Daylight Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > Miles MacMillan > > P.S. If there is anyone out there who uses Cubase VST 32 and the Audigy > Platinum EX Soundcard and has time to answer a question offlist, please > contact me. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Liondream@a... Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:26 pm Subject: remastering Then Jerome could probably retire as well and all of the talented fans could just carry on for themselves. Cool. :-( <<>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Mark Filipak Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:38 pm Subject: Gaining access to the tape vault (was: [tadream] Rarebird?) Howdeeee! Morgan Feldon experienced a die-hard brain storm and wrote: > > I wonder how many people would be interested in buying, outright, a > single CD of Poland if it were officially licensed and produced. Good idea! How about this: How much money would it cost to produce a real, pressed disc? $3000? $4000? Suppose we put together a company to do that. We sell enough discs to break even, hmmm... say, 200 to 300 discs, and then we turn the glass master over to Edgar to do with as he sees fit. I'll bet he presses more discs, from which he could keep the money. ...Just might convince him that we could be trusted inside the tape vault. Just a thought.... Mark From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:42 pm Subject: Bulletin Board >From: sequentc > >Is it not about time that this TD list moved on and went to a web-based >community forum where this could be broken down into topics rather than the >current emails that we have i.e. in date order only .......... surely it is >about time that we looked to migrate elsewhere and changed the whole concept >of how things are discussed..............it would be easier to search if >everyone replied to specific topics and threads would be categorised instead >of the current mess that we have on this list ?! I agree that the current format of the list is frustrating. There are topics I'd like to see, but they are considered taboo or too off-topic to discuss, then I see 30 Hero-worship e-mails about Edgar and philosophizing on what makes TD great, etc. etc. I'd rather not read. No wonder so many people unsubscribe from the list. >Currently everyone just sends emails to the list that either 'disappear' and >never get replied to ....or we all have to read emails that may not be of >interest to us, with the new web based forums, new topics can be created or >current topics can be replied to.... the whole database is searchable...etc >etc .......... Because of this we re-hash the same topics over and over and it is very very difficult for a new member to go back and read what may be excellent comments about a certain topic posted 6 months or a year ago. >check out the following location for software and the new web discussion >boards that I am sure will become more common place soon: I do believe vBulletin is being considered. >If there is no interest on this list to go that way....then I may buy my own >Vbulletin licence and go out on the Internet myself and create my own >Electronic Music Web Bulletin Forum ?! > >Munt1 The last time I posted about moving this list to an online multi-threaded forum, there was vehement resistance, and even acidic responses. This resistance was 80% 'I don't want to do anything new' or 'leave us alone' or 'it's fine the way it is', 15% 'I pay a lot for internet per-minute so reading on a website will be slow and cost me more money' and 5% 'I don't have a PC or Mac at home'. Well, Yahoo is barraging us with ads, making things difficult, and who knows how long before the pull the plug on us. So the probability of moving somewhere is already being considered. The question is, do we stick with the current list format, or go to something that is not a 20 year old format. As much as people protest, you simply don't know what a message board is like until you have tried it. It's simply incredible. For instance, the last 30 messages or so about what makes Edgar great, will he ever retire, Jerome's input, etc. have all been discussed in the past, but it is very difficult to go back and access that information. Wouldn't it be nice if every posting/comment/question about those subjects were all in a single page? Also, I am sure there are many people here on the list who have heard it 3-4 times before and if they could, would choose not to read it. Also, we have seen times when people will start talking about Klaus Schulze and then someone pipes up 'isn't this the TD list?'. It would be nice if people could talk about KS or other artists all they want and if you don't want to read it, you simply don't read the 'Other Artists' area of the message board. Bill Fox, Vic Rek and others keep announcing playlists for their radio shows and online music streaming programs. I think it's great that they are providing this information, but since I cannot hear Bill's shows, I really wish this whole discussion could also be under its own area 'Radio Shows' which would be optional reading. I know people will say 'just read the subject line and ignore the e-mail based on that' but how often do people fill out subject lines right? And it still takes time to download those messages or skip past them. I think it's madness that we will talk about a certain subject for a few days and it is mixed in with other e-mails about totally different topics and gets very difficult to follow. I would much rather have one topic dedicated to the TT2 distribution, one topic dedicated to the technical details behind how TT2 was created, the disc formats (I remember a LOT of people were turned off or even pissed off that we kept talking about the itty-bitty details of SHN and redbook copying on the list!!), and finally the music, each in its own topic. The #1 reason people have given Joe for leaving this list is the amount of e-mail that comes in and what is described as signal-to-noise ratio, which in this case simply refers to the amount of total # of e-mails that come in vs. the # of e-mails which that subscriber is actually interested in. An online forum would dramatically increase that ratio. Also, it would allow us to go more often on tangents without feeling guilty! I know I've wanted to say things and discuss certain topics but I know the majority of the list does not want to discuss them. With an online forum, I can create a whole topic on that that people can skip over. Finally, we are a large community of people and we don't always want to talk about TD. There are times when we want to go totally off-topic and get the advice or comments of others here. Like announcing a birth, a wedding, etc. or asking which CD-R to buy, which computer to buy, how to fix up their house, when we can have get-togethers like Marion's Edinburgh gathering. This is the perfect topic for a 'Coffee House' area. It would be within the tadream forum/message board, BUT could be completely ignored by people who are not interested. They're also welcome to browse the list of topic headings (which contain all the replies) and read the ones that interest them. Now, there ARE a lot of people who prefer and are happy to read the list by e-mail, and there are several people who only have a computer at work to read the list. There is no way that the tadream list would jump to a web-only solution and leave these members in the lurch. There are extensions and plugins to the forum software which would allow it to automatically send out daily digests and possibly individual e-mails. Ideally, those people who want to keep reading in a list format would see very little difference. The best part, I think, of the forum messaging software, is that each of us can put a photo of ourselves, our location (city/state/country), a list of interests, our favorite albums/concerts, etc. into online profiles which are automatically seen in each message we post. This is not something being taken lightly, as tadream has been a list for 10 years now. Forums are not just the 'latest whizbang invention' where we would be guinea pigs. I started out on lists and now I participate in 3 forums and moderate 2 others. It is so cool to be able to look at-a-glance and reply to topics that interest me, Subscribe to certain topics which I would like to be e-mailed about and to be able to set certain other members to *ignore*, which causes messages by that user to not be displayed when you read the forums. I have to wonder are the people who are resisting the idea of moving to a modern forum/messageboard doing it because they dislike change, or because they have actually used a forum for 3-4 days and prefer a free-for-all flat e-mail list that we have now? -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35346 Re: Bulletin Board Mark Filipak Sat 8/10/2002 3 KB 35349 Re: Bulletin Board bigstupidgeek Sat 8/10/2002 2 KB 35350 Re: Bulletin Board Mark Filipak Sat 8/10/2002 2 KB 35351 Re: Bulletin Board Antonio Nunes Sat 8/10/2002 2 KB 35352 Re: Bulletin Board Mark Filipak Sat 8/10/2002 3 KB 35361 Re: Bulletin Board Admin Sat 8/10/2002 2 KB 35362 Re: Bulletin Board Admin Sat 8/10/2002 3 KB 35375 Re: Bulletin Board Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Med Sat 8/10/2002 2 KB 35379 Re: Bulletin Board Joe Shoults Sat 8/10/2002 3 KB From: Deb H-J Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 4:01 pm Subject: TT2 Biz - Contacting Chris Towers Folks: I am on Chris Tower's branch and need him to contact me. His address, as listed in the chart, keeps giving me a returned message. Adios, Deb H-J dhj4@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From: Mark Filipak Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 4:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bulletin Board Howdy. Morgan Feldon wrote: > -snip- > The #1 reason people have given Joe for leaving this list is the > amount of e-mail that comes in and what is described as signal-to- >noise ratio, which in this case simply refers to the amount of total > # of e-mails that come in vs. the # of e-mails which that subscriber > is actually interested in. There currently are 515 Tadream subscribers. That's about as high as it has ever been. > An online forum would dramatically increase that ratio. Also, it > would allow us to go more often on tangents without feeling guilty! It's a TD fan list, Morgan. I'd say: 'Start your own list', but I know that you've done that already. Aren't you happy with it? > I know I've wanted to say things and discuss certain topics but I > know the majority of the list does not want to discuss them. With an > online forum, I can create a whole topic on that that people can skip > over. A forum would become 'N' number of separate lists. And people would post off-topic messages so that it would quickly become 'N' number of parallel lists, each duplicating parts of a discussion and leaving out other parts. Cross-posts to such a setup would be the rule, not the exception. > Finally, we are a large community of people and we don't always want > to talk about TD. There are times when we want to go totally off-topic > and get the advice or comments of others here. Like announcing a > birth, a wedding, etc. or asking which CD-R to buy, which computer to > buy, how to fix up their house, when we can have get-togethers like > Marion's Edinburgh gathering. This is the perfect topic for a 'Coffee > House' area. There's always private email you know. (...just a suggestion...) Ciao -- Mark From: Scribe1964@a... Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 4:31 pm Subject: Keep on Orange Records? Hello everyone. Has anyone seen the version of The Keep on Orange Records? I'm assuming this is just another bootleg, but I keep seeing it on Ebay and it looks pretty well done. Any info would be appreciated. --Scribe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35357 Re: Keep on Orange Records? rene.brenner@f... Sat 8/10/2002 3 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Web Virtual Bulletin Board ----- Original Message ----- From: 'sequentc' > Is it not about time that this TD list moved on and went to a web-based > community forum where this could be broken down into topics rather than the > current emails that we have i.e. in date order only ...... I think going web based would be a step back, both in terms of convenience and design. You also have to think about all those people with dial-up connections to the net. For them email is way way more convenient than using a web based interface. When going on the web, you have to download much more data than with emails. >it would be easier to search if > everyone replied to specific topics and threads would be categorised instead > of the current mess that we have on this list ?! Dont you have a search feature in your Hotmail account? Try to download into a mail client if you dont. Glenn From: 'bigstupidgeek' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 4:43 pm Subject: Re: Bulletin Board OK, just so you folks know, we have already been working on this. (right this moent in fact!) I know we've always been toying with different alternatives to yahoo for years, and along the way we almost left, but stayed because it offered the most stable ongoing environment. The idea is that if you want to continue via e-mail only, the way you do now, you can. However, Morgan is right, and there are ways to make things better for this community that were are installing as I type. We'll send out the prototype url soon (days) and explain a lot of what's changing, what's not, and what's to come. Thanks for your patience, Joe Shoults --- In tadream@y..., Morgan Feldon wrote: > > >From: sequentc > > > >Is it not about time that this TD list moved on and went to a web- based > >community forum where this could be broken down into topics rather etc. From: Mark Filipak Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 4:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board bigstupidgeek, da' Boss, wrote: > > OK, just so you folks know, we have already been working on this. > (right this moent in fact!) I know we've always been toying with > different alternatives to yahoo for years, and along the way we > almost left, but stayed because it offered the most stable ongoing > environment. > > The idea is that if you want to continue via e-mail only, the way you > do now, you can. However, Morgan is right, and there are ways to > make things better for this community that were are installing as I > type. > > We'll send out the prototype url soon (days) and explain a lot of > what's changing, what's not, and what's to come. Great! Maybe someone will help me with my javascript in the 'Javascript' section of the forum. Ciao -- Mark From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 5:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bulletin Board Morgan Feldon wrote: > > I have to wonder are the people who are resisting the idea of moving to a > modern forum/messageboard doing it because they dislike change, or because > they have actually used a forum for 3-4 days and prefer a free-for-all flat > e-mail list that we have now? Since you ask, I actually used a certain forum for a few days, but as it was not free-for-all (using your own words), I gave up. Sorry Morgan, but you missed the opportunity to show me the advantages of a forum... Antonio np: TD - Brighton Dome 1981-10-17 From: Mark Filipak Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 5:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bulletin Board Well, Antonio... Antonio Nunes wrote: > > Morgan Feldon wrote: > > > > I have to wonder are the people who are resisting the idea of moving > > to a modern forum/messageboard doing it because they dislike change, > > or because they have actually used a forum for 3-4 days and prefer a > > free-for-all flat e-mail list that we have now? > > Since you ask, I actually used a certain forum for a few days, but as > it was not free-for-all (using your own words), I gave up. Sorry > Morgan, but you missed the opportunity to show me the advantages of a > forum... Joe runs this list and though I forecast disaster -- I sincerely hope I'm wrong -- I'll stand behind anything Joe decides. Joe, please have 'test period' and a fall-back strategy. My fear: The list as-we-have-known-it will cease to exist and will become an array of semi-private lists. There are about a dozen regular posters. That means there are over 500 lurkers who sometimes post, but mostly rely on the list for up-to-date information. Though they could continue to lurk, I suspect that they won't. Also, though I will continue to receive the reflections as I do now, I will probably greatly curtail my participation -- some will cry, 'Yea!' -- as I won't be able to post from my email client -- or will I? I guess we shall all wait and see. I'll give it the ol' college try. Ciao -- Mark From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 2:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories Chris Franke's departure was first announced officially in a very small piece on page 4 of the second issue of The Tangible Dream, the old fan club newsletter. Here's what it said..... ' 'The Change' - After a working decade of 17 years, Chris Franke decided to work on his solo career. He said that it's time for a 'creative break'. He spends a lot of time composing and concentrating on hard and software development. Chris has been replaced by Ralf Vadeful (sic?), a keyboard wizard who also works on computer terminals and is a trained audio engineer. He has already co-composed one track of the forthcoming new studio album 'Optical Race' which will be released worl wide in July '88.' Since then, more details have emerged in interviews regarding his leaving. Fans naturally wanted to know more about why Chris had left so suddenly. We eventually learned that Edgar and Chris had reputedly only ever seen each other once outside their involvment in the band, and so many fans assumed that their relationship was strictly professional. Chris was reported as saying he no longer felt the band's music was challenging enough, to which Edgar replied (in a somewhat barbed comment) that Chris should be judged on the music he has made since leaving (i.e., his soundtrack work, which Edgar clearly doesn't think very much of!) I seem to remember Chris also saying he felt Edgar had agreed to do too much soundtrack work between 1983-87, and that the work load had left Chris creatively exhausted. Extensive UK and US tours in 1986, in addition to the regular studio LPs, didn't help either. I don't think there was very much (if any) contact between them for many years after Chris left, although I think I'm right in saying they have been in touch in more recent years, if only to exchange tapes over the Atlantic (Chris is based in LA) when collaborating on the unreleased CD for the Dream Roots Collection. If anyone can expand upon or correct any of this info, please do! - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Dryden To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 6:07 AM Subject: [tadream] Old Stories > Perhaps one of you kind fellows out there can send me any info on the Chris > Franke leaving story? This is probably a topic either already disscussed way > back, but I dont know what happened!! > > Use my personal email address for this if it is off topic for the rest of > the group. > > > Thanks Paulus.d@f... > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'vic rek' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 6:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Web Virtual Bulletin Board My two cents about this web-based idea... > >Is it not about time that this TD list moved on and went to a web-based > >community forum where this could be broken down into topics rather than the > >current emails that we have i.e. in date order only .......... surely it is > >about time that we looked to migrate elsewhere and changed the whole concept > >of how things are discussed..............it would be easier to search if > >everyone replied to specific topics and threads would be categorised instead > >of the current mess that we have on this list ?! Why change? I am perfectly happy with the way things are. I did not realize that we have a mess on the list? We have a digest version for those that do not like many e-mails. I have no problem with the e-mails at all. If I look at the topic and it doesn't interest me - I just delete the e-mail. I do not have to read one word of it, besides the subject. But at other times, the subject can be mis-leading and there is interesting information in the e-mail. So what is the problem? Also, I travel a lot and I almost always use dial-up connections, so I do not even bring up my web-brower at times - and why would I want to get hit with advertisement just to read my TD e-mail? I believe this list would lose membership if we took such a direction. > >Currently everyone just sends emails to the list that either 'disappear' and > >never get replied to ....or we all have to read emails that may not be of > >interest to us, with the new web based forums, new topics can be created or > >current topics can be replied to.... the whole database is searchable...etc > >etc .......... I can search and sort my e-mails - so the benefit escapes me. Vic From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 6:52 pm Subject: Forum >Vic Rek said: > >Why change? I am perfectly happy with the way things are. I did not >realize that we have a mess on the list? We have a digest version for those >that do not like many e-mails. I have no problem with the e-mails at all. >If I look at the topic and it doesn't interest me - I just delete the >e-mail. I do not have to read one word of it, besides the subject. But at >other times, the subject can be mis-leading and there is interesting >information in the e-mail. So what is the problem? With the forum, if people choose to continue to read it as a list, with individual e-mails, the subject line would actually be MORE accurate. >Also, I travel a lot and I almost always use dial-up connections, so I do >not even bring up my web-brower at times - and why would I want to get hit >with advertisement just to read my TD e-mail? I believe this list would >lose membership if we took such a direction. Don't you get ads from Yahoo now? The forum would be completely ad-free. And it would actually be faster to read (if you choose to read through the website) because you only read the topics that interest you. You don't even have to wait for the uninteresting topics to download like you do with e-mail. Like we said, we are not going to eliminate e-mail at all. Only that e-mail would no longer be the core of the tadream list. Instead, it would be the backend of a more robust forum which allows us to have 200-300 messages a day, but not everyone has to read them all. I know I would post a lot more than I do (much to people's chagrin?), especially about concerts but I know people would be unhappy with the flood of e-mails they're getting. Also it's difficult to follow a conversation with an e-mail list like this. I guess I should just start posting everything I want and see what people say. They'll be begging for a forum in a few weeks. I'm talking about reviews of concerts, reviews of soundtracks, and detailed painfully intricate conversations about Tangerine Tree 1 + 2, how they were recorded and remastered, disgusting details about SHNs. :) Cause I know last time I did, we had people unsubscribing left and right and people saying they are not going to get the Tree just cause they are tired of all the details about SHN or downloading through FTPs, etc. -Morgan From: Mark Filipak Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 7:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum Hi Morgan! Morgan Feldon wrote: > -snip- > And it would actually be faster to read (if you choose to read through > the website) because you only read the topics that interest you. You > don't even have to wait for the uninteresting topics to download like > you do with e-mail. Um.. You've written quite a bit about reading messages. What about posting messages and more importantly, replying. What are those tasks like? Thanks -- Mark From: rene.brenner@f... Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 7:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Keep on Orange Records? Hello check out this url for information regarding the new 2002 keep bootleg: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/keepunofficial.html i have it in case you need any additional information. regards rene >-- Original Message -- >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >From: Scribe1964@a... >Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:31:38 EDT >Subject: [tadream] Keep on Orange Records? >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > >Hello everyone. Has anyone seen the version of The Keep on Orange Records? > >I'm assuming this is just another bootleg, but I keep seeing it on Ebay and > >it looks pretty well done. Any info would be appreciated. > >--Scribe > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > sunrise premiumsurf - geben Sie sich nicht mit weniger zufrieden http://internet.sunrise.ch/de/internet/int_sps.asp From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 8:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar Froese Well... one one point I think 3 to 4 work out pretty darn great. Less than 3, I agreee with you. The other point, Dan Folgenberge's (I am sure I miss spelled this) 'Leader of the Band' comes to mind. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Dryden' To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 5:53 AM Subject: [tadream] Edgar Froese > I think as far as Iam concerned, Edgar IS Tangerine Dream. The 3 members is > the best format for the band, with only 2, too much control is asserted from > 1 or 2 people. Three gives you a fine triangle of 2 with 1, 1 against 2 > etc. > > I, personally, am stuck in the 80's, and find the latest TD stuff alright > but not classic. My first album(!) was 'White Eagle'. I do think something > died when Chris left the band, but with TD the very great seems to come out > of ashes of the poor- Force Majeure for example. 'Cyclone' was not regarded > as a good album. Is it just me or should TD never try vocals? > > Saying that, I found DM1 and 2 good, but DM3 better for the inclosion of > 80's material. > > Someone suggested I set fire to 'Sohoman' and dance round it, where do I get > the 'real Sohoman' and replacements mentioned? (by the way, burning CD's > smell awfull!!- just a joke!!!) > > Paulus.d_uk > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 8:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Web Virtual Bulletin Board Cool ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'sequentc' To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 2:08 PM Subject: [tadream] TD Web Virtual Bulletin Board > Is it not about time that this TD list moved on and went to a web-based > community forum where this could be broken down into topics rather than the > current emails that we have i.e. in date order only .......... surely it is > about time that we looked to migrate elsewhere and changed the whole concept > of how things are discussed..............it would be easier to search if > everyone replied to specific topics and threads would be categorised instead > of the current mess that we have on this list ?! > > Currently everyone just sends emails to the list that either 'disappear' and > never get replied to ....or we all have to read emails that may not be of > interest to us, with the new web based forums, new topics can be created or > current topics can be replied to.... the whole database is searchable...etc > etc .......... > > check out the following location for software and the new web discussion > boards that I am sure will become more common place soon: > > Software: > http://www.vbulletin.com/ > > Sample of the new discussion boards > http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/ > > > If there is no interest on this list to go that way....then I may buy my own > Vbulletin licence and go out on the Internet myself and create my own > Electronic Music Web Bulletin Forum ?! > > Munt1 > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 8:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1447 Why does visions of Sugar Plum Fairies come to mind reading this? rrr me good eye is a bouncing a bit... perhaps a twitch.... ô0 ~ dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Pete Dandy' To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1447 > > > > > > > > > > Jees buddy your weirdness is freakin me out !!!! there`s being a > >fan and all > > > but i think you are 'in love' with Edgar . pssss ......does your > >wife know > > > > > about it ???? ;) > > > > > > Pete > > > Hello Pete > > Yes my wife does know about it,she quite fancies Edgar herself,we > >sleep with Edgars towel which i got at Shepherds Bush concert of > >12,5,01 every night,she seems to think that EF is the Stud of the > >music scene. > > Best regards > > CJ > > > > > > Ha Ha ! Now i know your only joking !!!!!! maybe your wife has threesome > fantasies with you and Edgar banging away to Dream Mixes :) > or even Gobblings club ;) > I wouldn't`t sleep with that towel after that night . YOW !!!!! > > > Pete > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 8:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bulletin Board Jeezzzzz Did you finally find something to talk about? I was thinking you might be a mute. Good thoughts and concerns, don't take my silly sarcasm to heart. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 8:42 AM Subject: [tadream] Bulletin Board From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 8:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board Joe has been working on this for a long while. We all know we have to escape from yahoo... just how to do so with short funds and other concerns. Mark pointed out the number of members. Sure some have come and gone, but there are a lot who have stayed and read. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'bigstupidgeek' To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 9:43 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board > OK, just so you folks know, we have already been working on this. > (right this moent in fact!) I know we've always been toying with > different alternatives to yahoo for years, and along the way we > almost left, but stayed because it offered the most stable ongoing > environment. > > The idea is that if you want to continue via e-mail only, the way you > do now, you can. However, Morgan is right, and there are ways to > make things better for this community that were are installing as I > type. > > We'll send out the prototype url soon (days) and explain a lot of > what's changing, what's not, and what's to come. > > Thanks for your patience, > Joe Shoults From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 8:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum Morgan is evil and his LFO does't have ramp! ;-) dale I guess I should just start posting everything I want and see what people say. They'll be begging for a forum in a few weeks. I'm talking about reviews of concerts, reviews of soundtracks, and detailed painfully intricate conversations about Tangerine Tree 1 + 2, how they were recorded and remastered, disgusting details about SHNs. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 11:52 AM Subject: [tadream] Forum From: Mark Filipak Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum Well, I went here: http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/ and clicked the 'f.a.q.' tab at the top and read how to post messages. I highly recommend that everyone read the FAQ. It's not very long and only a few features would probably be of interest to you. It sure looks like webmail to me. You post through your browser. You don't see other people's email addresses, even if you send a private message. I couldn't find any way to reply, except maybe by posting to the thread. I found this on email notification: > If you post a new thread, or reply to an existing thread, you can > choose to be notified by email when someone else replies to that > thread. You can also choose to receive email notifications of new > posts in a thread without posting in that thread, by clicking the > 'Receive updates to this thread' link displayed in the thread page. > > If you choose to stop receiving email notifications from a thread, > you can turn off the option by either editing your post, or by > unsubscribing from the thread here. > > Only registered users may receive email notification, and they can > set whether they want to receive email notification by default by > editing their options. > > Email notification is also referred to as 'Thread Subscription'. An email notification is not the same as receiving postings via email. It sounds to me like you only receive a notification of a posting to a thread you're subscribed to and then you have to get out your browser and go to the web site to read the message. I couldn't find any way to download/save the message, which if true, makes this a non-starter with me because I save all my email for future reference and want to continue to do so. I read that if you aren't subscribed to the thread, like it's a new thread, you don't get anything -- at least, that's how I interpret the stuff above. Morgan!!!! Do you want to help fill in the blanks here? Ciao -- Mark From: 'vic rek' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum Morgan Rebutted: > > With the forum, if people choose to continue to read it as a list, with > individual e-mails, the subject line would actually be MORE accurate. What does this mean - MORE control? Tell me how would it be easier for me to reply to an e-mail than it is now? Note: My browser is not up and running at the moment. > The forum would be completely ad-free. I do not believe this. > And it would actually be faster to read (if you choose to read through the > website) because you only read the topics that interest you. You don't even > have to wait for the uninteresting topics to download like you do with e-mail. OK - [cutting out the rest of the argument text]. You are basically saying the you will post (and others) tons of information or crap that does not interest us (basically use this place as some kind of information dump/repository/archive whatever). I am totally against this. This is the TANGERINE DREAM DISCUSSION LIST!!! We discuss things here! Open your own website if you wish to post information about concert details and SHN details. Let's not try to invent something new when there is no need. Straight sex is still good too you know... ;-) Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35459 Re: Forum Michael Fox Mon 8/12/2002 2 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum Hi All! Yup. vBulletin is webmail. To read messages I have to scroll back and forth. UGH! I sure hope Joe comes up with some awfully fancy PHP 'cause I'm afraid that plain vanilla vBulletin out of the box will make me sick. I'd rather give up the polls and the database stuff. We could manage TT2 without an online database. Ciao -- Mark From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:36 pm Subject: VBulletin >Mark Filipak said: > >Well, I went here: http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/ and clicked the >'f.a.q.' tab at the top and read how to post messages. > >I highly recommend that everyone read the FAQ. It's not very long and >only a few features would probably be of interest to you. > >It sure looks like webmail to me. You post through your browser. You >don't see other people's email addresses, even if you send a private >message. I couldn't find any way to reply, except maybe by posting to the >thread. You have made the assumption that Joe plans to use vBulletin without any modifications/updates/patches/scripts/plugins or hacks. This is absolutely not the case. It will be HEAVILY tailored to work the best possible way for tadream members and will be continually updated and improved. In contrast, we are powerless to change any of the behaviors of Yahoo. The forum will have a backend which operates as close to this current mailing list as possible. If we can't, we won't go to a forum, ok? The goal is if people want to keep using it as a list, they can and should have minimal disruption. You should ignore anything you read at vBulletin.com because that is not how it will be operated for Tadream. -Morgan operator of 2 vBulletin forums and participant in 3 others. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35369 Re: VBulletin Mark Filipak Sat 8/10/2002 2 KB 35387 Re: VBulletin Admin Sun 8/11/2002 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:43 pm Subject: Forum >Morgan Rebutted: > > > > With the forum, if people choose to continue to read it as a list, with > > individual e-mails, the subject line would actually be MORE accurate. > >What does this mean - MORE control? >Tell me how would it be easier for me to reply to an e-mail than it is now? >Note: My browser is not up and running at the moment. It's quite simple. Because everyone is replying to a certain topic, the subject line would already be set. As long as you don't change it, it will be even easier to follow a discussion. > > The forum would be completely ad-free. > >I do not believe this. Now you're calling me and Joe liars? > > And it would actually be faster to read (if you choose to read through the > > website) because you only read the topics that interest you. You don't >even > > have to wait for the uninteresting topics to download like you do with >e-mail. > >OK - [cutting out the rest of the argument text]. You are basically saying >the you will post (and others) tons of information or crap that does not >interest us (basically use this place as some kind of information >dump/repository/archive whatever). I am totally against this. Well right now, how often do you see TD concerts discussed? Do you think they are unworthy of discussion? I don't bother because the people who like to discuss concerts got tired of all the 'Rah rah' Edgar cheerleading and left the list a long time ago. >This is the TANGERINE DREAM DISCUSSION LIST!!! We discuss things here! Could have fooled me. Most people have a lot of things to say, but just don't say anything because of past negative reactions to doing so. So instead we get a few people who talk and the rest sit and watch and just hit delete. >Straight sex is still good too you know... ;-) ??! I really have an opinion about all these people saying to keep it a list. 'Why do we need color on a television? black and white is fine.' -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35372 Re: Forum Robert Grabowsky Sat 8/10/2002 2 KB 35409 Re: Forum Michael W Daniels Sun 8/11/2002 3 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] VBulletin Howdy!! Morgan Feldon wrote: > -snip- > You should ignore anything you read at vBulletin.com because that is > not how it will be operated for Tadream. Thanks, Morgan! That makes me feel a lot better, though I am still a bit concerned about what will happen to the TD spirit. This is a TD discussion list. So, how will I post to this board and will I be able to use my email client? (...Curious minds want to know...) Oh, Person Opinion. Those stooopid smiley faces have got to go. They've got about as much character as Muzak. Ciao -- Mark From: Groove Unlimited Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:48 pm Subject: E-Live 2002 The E-Live 2002 festival takes place on September 21st! Location is the TU auditorium in the center of Eindhoven, Netherlands and there's room for 420 people. Tickets cost € 25 in pre-sales and € 30 at the box-office. Pre-sales have started and ends on September 14. Line-up: Neuronium with Pascal Languirand (ES) Frank Van Bogaert (BE) Amir Baghiri (DE) Boots, Aerts, H. vd Heijden, E. vd Heijden (NL) All info: http://www.groove.nl Click on E-LIVE 2002 From: Mark Filipak Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum I'm beginning to get a little frustrated with all this... > Vic asked: > > > > What does this mean - MORE control? > > Tell me how would it be easier for me to reply to an e-mail than it > > is now? Note: My browser is not up and running at the moment. Morgan replied: > > It's quite simple. Because everyone is replying to a certain topic, the > subject line would already be set. As long as you don't change it, it > will be even easier to follow a discussion. You are not answering the question, Morgan. Vic asked how he would reply without a browser. I want to know this too. Stop talking about how easy it is to read messages on-line. First, that's not what was asked, and second, it's not true that messages are easy to read on-line. I don't want webmail. If I wanted webmail, I'd get a free account at hotmail. Please address people's concerns. Thanks -- Mark JOE!!! Where are you, Joe? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35441 Re: Forum Dennis Nigbur Mon 8/12/2002 4 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 10:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum As I have learned over the years of computer use and many other things: 'If it is not broke, don't fix it' Unlike the government which says: 'If it is not broke, fix it till it is ' And here is another thought: KISS 'Keep It Simple, Stupid' Please leave well enough alone. Thank You. THE HIGHLANDER From: 'vic rek' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 10:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum Morgan - you are out of control. First off, you are not the TD list moderator. I want to hear from Joe. Secondly, what is your motivation for all of this? Clearly - this will not benefit the TD fans of this list. If you and Joe start both acting like fools, then I will make sure that there will be an alternative list to continue with FAN spirit and support of Tangerine Dream... I hope to get an e-mail someday that TD is touring America (directly addressed to me) versus some web-browser that I have to go to see that 'Oh yes- there is a tour information button'. So, PLEASE make a rational explanation to the people of this list WHY WE WOULD WANT THIS? Vic P.S. Thanks to Mark Filipak for his comments, but we can take that off-line ;-) From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 10:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' > And it would actually be faster to read (if you choose to read through the > website) because you only read the topics that interest you. You don't even > have to wait for the uninteresting topics to download like you do with e-mail. It will be *slower* to read, because you have to download the webpage, it's graphic, it's cgi stuff - plus we may have to log-in first, and by that having yet another password........... > Like we said, we are not going to eliminate e-mail at all. Only that e-mail > would no longer be the core of the tadream list. Instead, it would be the > backend of a more robust forum which allows us to have 200-300 messages a > day, but not everyone has to read them all. if there will be 200 messages, the forum will have to display *several pages* for each day - which will mean one has to not only load one page, but several. None of these things are faster than email based lists. > I guess I should just start posting everything I want and see what people > say. They'll be begging for a forum in a few weeks. I'm talking about > reviews of concerts, reviews of soundtracks, and detailed painfully > intricate conversations about Tangerine Tree 1 + 2, how they were recorded > and remastered, disgusting details about SHNs. :) Please post them in this group. They'll be much faster to delete here than in a forum :-) I for one would not be reading or posting to a web based TD forum, which may or may not be good, but it would mean the detoriation of the online TD community in my eyes. Glenn From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 10:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Admin' > We all know we have to escape from yahoo... just how to do so with short > funds and other concerns. If escaping from Yahoo is the main concern, there are OTHER email list providers we could use. A web board is NOT the only alternative to a Yahoogroup Start with checking out topica.com Glenn From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 10:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' > I really have an opinion about all these people saying to keep it a list. > 'Why do we need color on a television? black and white is fine.' You are assuming that web boards is a step forward in the evolution of the net. Well, there is a reason why email is much more widely used than web boards. Actually, many reasons. I dont want to spend 10 minutes wading through message web pages when I could have spent 10 seconds downloading the same messages to my email client. Those 10 minutes only apply if we assume that the website is always up. Web page hosts usually log more downtime than email servers. Glenn From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:09 pm Subject: World War III Apparently, I have started World War III here. Joe has wanted to start a forum and possibly move the tadream community to a forum format for a long time. I voiced to him that I have much experience with this, having operated 2 communities (one with 1,100 members) and contributed to 3 others. Joe suggested that I might be able to help with the technical aspects of setting up a forum and making a possible transition virtually painless for those who want to stay with a list format. If we went to a forum (not holding my breath), you would still post messages AND read messages by e-mail. Only those people who want to take advantage of the web features would read it through a website. It is very depressing to see that in the span of 6 hours, I have been accused of wanting to hurt the list, make participation in the tadream community more difficult, that I have ulterior motives, that I seek to acquire some level of power, that I am not a Tangerine Dream FAN, that I do not care about the members of this list, and that I am a liar. Apparently I have no more credibility here than I did the first day I signed up in 1997. That's fine though, I can deal with that. It is actually nice and refreshing to know just where I stand with the people here, so that I am no longer looking at things through rose-colored glasses. I've dealt with abusive, unforgiving people quite a bit in my life, I just did not think I would find so many of them here. Vic, If I thought this would not benefit the tadream community, I wouldn't have even mentioned it. I have supervised or been involved in several list-to-forum migrations. Never have I seen such acidic, abusive, ill-informed responses to just the CONCEPT of doing so, let alone a specific implementation. Every time I have seen a migration like this, the improvement in the community experience has been tenfold. Participation and membership has increased exponentially, and furthermore, people stick around. At this point, if Joe wants me to help with a forum (it sure as hell wasn't my idea, I have my own TD forum) hell will be freezing over. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35380 Re: World War III vic rek Sat 8/10/2002 2 KB 35382 AW: [tadream] Forum Wars Herbert Sat 8/10/2002 5 KB 35389 Re: World War III Admin Sun 8/11/2002 2 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum I agree entirely. I feel the current e-mail system is fine as it is. I tend to sample the topics and if I 'm interested in any of them I'll read them all through to get the gist of the arguments/discussions, and occasionally comment if I feel I can contribute in a positive way. I save every e-mail on a ZIP disc, too, by day, month, year. It's surprising how often I go back a few months to reread a topic that was of interest then. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Robert Grabowsky' To: Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum > As I have learned over the years of computer use and many other things: > > 'If it is not broke, don't fix it' > > Unlike the government which says: > > 'If it is not broke, fix it till it is ' > > And here is another thought: KISS > > 'Keep It Simple, Stupid' > > Please leave well enough alone. Thank You. > > THE HIGHLANDER > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:49 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board haha- you must be looking at the OLD version. just a prototype, nothing more, and will be discarded. have installed and discarded about half a dozen different forum/community/e-mail solutions just this year so far. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Filipak [mailto:filipak@m...] > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:48 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board > > > bigstupidgeek, da' Boss, wrote: > > > > OK, just so you folks know, we have already been working on this. > > (right this moent in fact!) I know we've always been toying with > > different alternatives to yahoo for years, and along the way we > > almost left, but stayed because it offered the most stable ongoing > > environment. > > > > The idea is that if you want to continue via e-mail only, > the way you > > do now, you can. However, Morgan is right, and there are ways to > > make things better for this community that were are installing as I > > type. > > > > We'll send out the prototype url soon (days) and explain a lot of > > what's changing, what's not, and what's to come. > > Great! Maybe someone will help me with my javascript in the > 'Javascript' > section of the forum. > > Ciao -- Mark > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'vic rek' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] World War III All I can say - Is JOE where you? > Joe has wanted to start a forum and possibly move the tadream community to > a forum format for a long time. I voiced to him that I have much experience > with this, having operated 2 communities (one with 1,100 members) and > contributed to 3 others. Joe suggested that I might be able to help with > the technical aspects of setting up a forum and making a possible > transition virtually painless for those who want to stay with a list format. > From: Joe Shoults Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:52 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Bulletin Board don't worry- anything we implement will be thoroughly beta tested. just so you know, the idea is that peopel will be able to capture all psts, even if originated from a sub-forum, on the 'uberlist'. online posts all go threough the normal e-mail thing, but on the forums webiste appear in separate categories. so for example, you could go to the 'Underwater Sunlight' forum - or the one that descrobes that period - and view just posts relevant to that album or category, but all e-mail recipients subscribed to the uberlist will see it too. > -----Original Message----- > > Joe runs this list and though I forecast disaster -- I > sincerely hope I'm > wrong -- I'll stand behind anything Joe decides. > > Joe, please have 'test period' and a fall-back strategy. > > My fear: The list as-we-have-known-it will cease to exist and > will become > an array of semi-private lists. There are about a dozen > regular posters. > That means there are over 500 lurkers who sometimes post, but > mostly rely > on the list for up-to-date information. Though they could continue to > lurk, I suspect that they won't. > From: 'Herbert' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:31 pm Subject: AW: [tadream] Forum Wars Hi Guys, let's return to the ground and keep emotions low. Let's talk about functionality and not about the kind of implementation. Morgan, what would be the changes and what would stay as it is. Will there be a prototype running in parallel to the current mailing list to let people find the benefits and become used to it? Herbert > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. August 2002 01:10 > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: [tadream] World War III > > > Apparently, I have started World War III here. > > Joe has wanted to start a forum and possibly move the tadream > community to > a forum format for a long time. I voiced to him that I have > much experience > with this, having operated 2 communities (one with 1,100 members) and > contributed to 3 others. Joe suggested that I might be able > to help with > the technical aspects of setting up a forum and making a possible > transition virtually painless for those who want to stay with > a list format. > > If we went to a forum (not holding my breath), you would still post > messages AND read messages by e-mail. Only those people who > want to take > advantage of the web features would read it through a website. > > It is very depressing to see that in the span of 6 hours, I have been > accused of wanting to hurt the list, make participation in > the tadream > community more difficult, that I have ulterior motives, that > I seek to > acquire some level of power, that I am not a Tangerine Dream > FAN, that I do > not care about the members of this list, and that I am a liar. > > Apparently I have no more credibility here than I did the first day I > signed up in 1997. That's fine though, I can deal with that. > It is actually > nice and refreshing to know just where I stand with the > people here, so > that I am no longer looking at things through rose-colored > glasses. I've > dealt with abusive, unforgiving people quite a bit in my > life, I just did > not think I would find so many of them here. > > Vic, If I thought this would not benefit the tadream > community, I wouldn't > have even mentioned it. I have supervised or been involved in several > list-to-forum migrations. Never have I seen such acidic, abusive, > ill-informed responses to just the CONCEPT of doing so, let alone a > specific implementation. Every time I have seen a migration > like this, the > improvement in the community experience has been tenfold. > Participation and > membership has increased exponentially, and furthermore, > people stick around. > > At this point, if Joe wants me to help with a forum (it sure > as hell wasn't > my idea, I have my own TD forum) hell will be freezing over. > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum From: 'Morgan Feldon' > I guess I should just start posting everything I want and see what people > say. They'll be begging for a forum in a few weeks. I'm talking about > reviews of concerts, reviews of soundtracks, and detailed painfully > intricate conversations about Tangerine Tree 1 + 2, how they were recorded > and remastered, disgusting details about SHNs. :) It all sounds very exciting and I'm definitely curious. But... As a member of another long standing Yahoo group (back when it was still eGroups) which grew too big for its surroundings and decided to strike out on its own (we regularly killed the eGroups mailer with too many messages posted per day), I do have a few words of advice and caution from my experience which you might be interested in. Or not. First, if you expect everyone here to move to the new digs, your mail system has to, at minimum, do everything the Yahoo groups one does right now. If not, your new forum will have all the longevity of New Coke. As an example, I read messages from tadream every day simply because they arrive in my inbox every day. Morgans TD forum on the other hand (chock full of messages I generally have more interest in reading - no offence intended to the tadream regulars) I read about once a week, simply because I'm often too busy to remember to actually go to the forum site in the first place. People will not want to work their way through the site to find the messages they are interested in, when they could have gotten everything in their inbox in a matter of seconds at which point they can read what they want while off-line and prune out the junk with the delete key. (I'm sure we have plenty of dial-up users here who will demand that abilty). Second, the '200-300 messages a day' thing. I trust you mean by that the proposed forum can theoretically *cope* with that amount, not that you're actually *expecting* that amount? Because I can tell you right now that it isn't going to happen. What's the membership of tadream right now, 515 people last I heard? Even if you had 2000 members visiting the site religiously every single day, that does not guarantee a large number of posts, or interesting or insightful posts, or frankly any posts at all. The hard truth we learned when trying to strike up interest in our new forum was that lurkers will always outnumber active posters ten fold. Third, I assume you're planning to slice tadream up into sub-forums to deal with concert reviews, tree info etc? Nice idea, I'd definitely like to hear more on the subjects you mentioned Morgan (heck, even if it is just you posting ;-) just don't slice the group up too thin and make sure there really is a demand to cater to - people who are actually going to take advantage of the new forums and post to them. Otherwise it won't be long before the tumbleweed effect sets in. All that said, I think tadream could use a break from Yahoo and few sub-forums to cater to the many different aspects of TD, as well as the on-going Tree project, and provided the email gateway remains the primary method for interacting with the group, I'm all for the new system. My first proposal would be for a sub-forum specifically for that 'convention24' bloke. Sorry, but the towel thing was the final straw. Just my two pence worth. Maff _________________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.tangent.da.ru www.mst3uk.com From: 'vic rek' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:44 pm Subject: Eat at Joes Below is what this mastermind of the TD list thinks.... Good luck. Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Shoults To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 7:52 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Bulletin Board > don't worry- anything we implement will be thoroughly beta tested. > > just so you know, the idea is that peopel will be able to capture all psts, > even if originated from a sub-forum, on the 'uberlist'. online posts all go > threough the normal e-mail thing, but on the forums webiste appear in > separate categories. so for example, you could go to the 'Underwater > Sunlight' forum - or the one that descrobes that period - and view just > posts relevant to that album or category, but all e-mail recipients > subscribed to the uberlist will see it too. > From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bulletin Board From: 'Joe Shoults' > just so you know, the idea is that peopel will be able to capture all psts, > even if originated from a sub-forum, on the 'uberlist'. online posts all go > threough the normal e-mail thing, but on the forums webiste appear in > separate categories. so for example, you could go to the 'Underwater > Sunlight' forum - or the one that descrobes that period - and view just > posts relevant to that album or category, but all e-mail recipients > subscribed to the uberlist will see it too. Got it, but how do you intend to route incoming posts to the relevant forums? Unless you plan to have moderators working around the clock. Maff _________________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.tangent.da.ru www.mst3uk.com From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum Vic A little variety goes a long way. ;-) rrrr I love this list! dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'vic rek' To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum > Morgan Rebutted: new when there is no need. > > Straight sex is still good too you know... ;-) > > Vic From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] VBulletin Muzak is fine too. I wonder if a list exists just for Muzak??? ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Filipak' To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] VBulletin Oh, Person Opinion. Those stooopid smiley faces have got to go. They've got about as much character as Muzak. From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board Glenn This was one alternative some are looking at. I too rather read email via a email program than have to fire up a web and do it. I use outlook express for my personal mail, Outlook for business. I use to use Eudora but I found I liked Outlook's better. I even used Pegasus for a bit. But what I use isn't the point. I like the way I am getting the list now. I used web based before as well. One gets use to things after they use them for a bit. I wont abandon Joe and this list if it does go that way. I would hate to have to join up with several others just to get what I get now from this list. Wondering what that is? Here is a bit of a list and not in any order nor is complete experience knowledge great people fine details on TD and information I would not know dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Admin' > > > We all know we have to escape from yahoo... just how to do so with short > > funds and other concerns. > > If escaping from Yahoo is the main concern, there are OTHER email list > providers we could use. A web board is NOT the only alternative to a > Yahoogroup > > Start with checking out topica.com > > Glenn > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] World War III Did I tell you that you are evil and you don't have a ramp function on your LFO? dale I know your true intentions... what happen to your thick skin? You shedding? From: Mark Filipak Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 12:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board I got the best idea, Joe. I nominate you for Secretary of Defense, and Morgan for Secretary of State. George Bush needs your exerience introducing war to the people. Ciao -- Mark Joe Shoults wrote: > > haha- you must be looking at the OLD version. just a prototype, nothing > more, and will be discarded. have installed and discarded about half a > dozen different forum/community/e-mail solutions just this year so far. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Filipak [mailto:filipak@m...] > > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:48 PM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board > > > > > > bigstupidgeek, da' Boss, wrote: > > > > > > OK, just so you folks know, we have already been working on this. > > > (right this moent in fact!) I know we've always been toying with > > > different alternatives to yahoo for years, and along the way we > > > almost left, but stayed because it offered the most stable ongoing > > > environment. > > > > > > The idea is that if you want to continue via e-mail only, > > the way you > > > do now, you can. However, Morgan is right, and there are ways to > > > make things better for this community that were are installing as I > > > type. > > > > > > We'll send out the prototype url soon (days) and explain a lot of > > > what's changing, what's not, and what's to come. > > > > Great! Maybe someone will help me with my javascript in the > > 'Javascript' > > section of the forum. > > > > Ciao -- Mark > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35392 Re: Bulletin Board Wars Herbert Sun 8/11/2002 2 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 12:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board Thanks a lot Mark. ;-) Dale >I got the best idea, Joe. >I nominate you for Secretary of Defense, and Morgan for Secretary of >State. George Bush needs your exerience introducing war to the people. >Ciao -- Mark From: 'Herbert' Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 1:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board Wars Let's stick to the facts. If the current mailing list has to move (I believe yahoo isn't a non-profit organisation), there is the need to evaluate alternatives. If the alternative allows offline reading as the current mailing list does PLUS web based forums, where's the problem with it? If the altenative is hosted on a host (by a person) of trust, I can't see any problem with it. Shouldn't we give an alternative a chance to evaluate and give a proof of reliabiliy and usability and not react with personal accuses which won't bring the subject any further? Let's see how it works and decide then. Herbert From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 1:49 am Subject: Forum Well, about the forum... I'm happy with the current format; I'm not interested in any particular subject, so whenever I see a message that doesn't interest me I just hit the 'next' button. I don't like webmail or webchat or usually anything web-based when you have another faster and more practical possibility. When the forum 'officially' comes up, I hope the current list format will be available as a mode of subscription, like we have the daily digests. Still, I'm probably going to check this forum out, and then decide which way is better for me. However, if the list totally changes to something web-based, being that the only way, then I'm not sure if I'll participate on this. that's it... GJ np. Gustav Mahler's 1st Symphony Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'dat_dream' Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 2:55 am Subject: Vol 9 question ...about the source tape as quoted:   >Vol.9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 complete concert >(source: digital copy of BBC IPS master tape, plus 1st >generation audience tape) I would assume that given the vintage, that 'IPS' is to stand for 'inches per second' (reel-to-reel). IF that's the case, then the number is missing. Was it 15? (I doubt it), 7.5? (most likely), or 3.75? (I don't THINK so, given the high sound quality). Just curious. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35398 Vol 9 question Morgan Feldon Sun 8/11/2002 2 KB 35404 Re: Vol 9 question Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Sun 8/11/2002 2 KB 35437 Re: Vol 9 question Heiko Heerssen Mon 8/12/2002 2 KB 35438 Re: Vol 9 question Admin Mon 8/12/2002 3 KB From: 'dat_dream' Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 3:15 am Subject: Soundmill Navigator question >> If it's untouched concerts, maybe with a little remastering, I'll >>sell my body for it. >> > >-Morgan >And if they'd all be like Soundmill Navigator, you would probably >want to sell a few parts of Edgar's body. :^> >John Vertical Sorry if this has been covered before (I'm sorta new here), Does a heavily edited version of a concert (such as S.N. was) get Edgar out from under the thumb of the record company (I'm assuming in this case that it would be Virgin Records) that would assume rights to the original and demand more than their fair share from the proceeds, yada, yada? I mean that Edgar might possibly defend an edited version by saying that the 'original served as inspiration for a contemporary work. But it's all new. Keep your mitts off. It belongs to TDI.' Any lawyers out there reading this in disbelief? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35396 Re: Soundmill Navigator question Eric Williamson Sun 8/11/2002 3 KB 35397 Re: Soundmill Navigator question Matthew Sawyer Sun 8/11/2002 5 KB From: Eric Williamson Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 3:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator question Quoting dat_dream : > Does a heavily edited version of a concert (such as S.N. was) get > Edgar out from under the thumb of the record company (I'm i'd say yes. that doesn't make pissing off your fans with shitty work acceptable though. so i'm faced with a dilemma: do i applaud fast eddie for (rightfully) dodging a overly-constrictive music industry contract or get angry that i paid 18 dollars for that horrible cd? i think editing concerts 20 years after the fact is really cool. i just think that it can be done much better. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 4:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator question From: 'dat_dream' > Does a heavily edited version of a concert (such as S.N. was) get > Edgar out from under the thumb of the record company No, it's nothing to do with that. I've heard lots of people kick these kinds of theories around, but IMO there are no ulterior motives, or evil and improbable twenty year old recording contracts that encompass every note the band ever struck up to 1983. (C'mon, Richard Branson gives a toss about what Edgar might choose to do with a concert performed two decades ago? He'd stump up the legal fees for that one? ;-). The simple truth is that Edgar does to the old concerts today what the band has basically *always* done. All the live albums were tinkered with in some fashion. Ricochet? Bits and peices from 1975 with some studio redubs. Encore? Some definately live, some probably not so, some left over live bits from 1974. Pergamon? The whole thing is a studio performance, and it's most likely that the whole second part wasn't even played on the day. And so on. If the Tangeirne Tree has proven anything its that TD created some absolutely stunning improvisational material in the 70's, but the band never intended to have *every single note* of any particular concert released as an official album. (That doesn't mean I wouldn't want to see them all released as performed, I just don't see it ever happening, and I don't think it's realistic to expect any band to do it). If TD had released a live album in 76 you can bet it would have been an amalgam of concerts spliced together and tidied up, a'la Ricochet. (The only exception to this is 220 Volt Live, which is, as the TD official site confirms, exactly what the bands computers played on the night. ;-) But the problem kicks in when the original source material gets older and Edgars dislike of that time period increases. He releases the concerts on sufferance (personally I can't help but wonder what motivates him to release them at all), he doesn't really enjoy the old material anymore, thus he becomes overly critical of the older music and what needs to be 'fixed', and consequentally the amount and style of tampering increases. Which is why Soundmill is almost a complete reperformance and Sohoman has all its glorious sharp edges filed clean off. He's not dodging a dicy contract clause and sticking it to Virgin records, it's simply a case of Edgar doing what he's always done, and meanwhile two different eras of the music trying to co-exist in the same passage of music. (That doesn't excuse the business with the mastering flaw, which was... well, inexcusable no matter which way you turn it). Sure, we know it usually does more harm than good (though to be honest I'd be quite partial to Soundmill if it weren't for that bloody tape flaw), but you can't really argue that Edgars approach to releasing live material isn't consistent with what the band have always done. Maff _________________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.tangent.da.ru www.mst3uk.com From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 4:48 am Subject: Vol 9 question >From: 'dat_dream' >Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:55 pm >Subject: Vol 9 question > > >Vol.9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 complete concert > >(source: digital copy of BBC IPS master tape, plus 1st > >generation audience tape) > >I would assume that given the vintage, that 'IPS' is to stand for >'inches per second' (reel-to-reel). IF that's the case, then the >number is missing. Was it 15? (I doubt it), 7.5? (most likely), or >3.75? (I don't THINK so, given the high sound quality). 7.5' IPS -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'convention24' Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 9:32 am Subject: Re: Digest Number 1447 --- In tadream@y..., 'Pete Dandy' wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Jees buddy your weirdness is freakin me out !!!! there`s being a > >fan and all > > > but i think you are 'in love' with Edgar . pssss ......does your > >wife know > > > > > about it ???? ;) > > > > > > Pete > > > Hello Pete > > Yes my wife does know about it,she quite fancies Edgar herself,we > >sleep with Edgars towel which i got at Shepherds Bush concert of > >12,5,01 every night,she seems to think that EF is the Stud of the > >music scene. > > Best regards > > CJ Pete,thats an absolute classic,sheer quality just like the Wonderful Tangerine Dream. NP Royal Albert Hall 2,4,75, This is the Greatest of all time.AWESOME. > > > > > > Ha Ha ! Now i know your only joking !!!!!! maybe your wife has threesome > fantasies with you and Edgar banging away to Dream Mixes :) > or even Gobblings club ;) > I wouldn't`t sleep with that towel after that night . YOW !!!!! > > > Pete > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 9:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bulletin Board I think I've now read the whole forum thread so far. Well, here's what I think about this: I am myself happy with the situation at the moment, except that I'd surely like a decent archive search engine. I tried to look for James Owens's (was it him?) Valley of the Sun poetry, but I couldn't find it. :( Apparently there would be other benefics (probebly mispelled) too. There would be the fact that more topics could be covered. I don't understand the talk about 'don't separate this list'; hey, we have 500+ members, we cannot be like just like a bunch of buddies. Even if 400 of those are lurkers, we'd still need some effective crowd control. So go on, have side forums for 'Edgar Worship', 'Technical Jargon', 'Other Musicians', 'Collectors' Corner', '100% OT Chit-Chat' and so on, but I'd like to keep the core of this list together. Splicing the main discussion into eg. 'Announcements', 'Albums from Era X' and so on sounds unpractical, especially since the people who don't want to read those are quite surely in minority. I've been a member on some discussion forums, but I prefer the email format. I simply find that a forum demands too much from an active member. You can either be a 24h junkie or an occasional visitor, but being something in the in-between is too difficult. Loading the CGI, ASP, PHP or whichever TLA you end up using takes time _every time_ you load a page. Another thing is that forums, which about always permit a wider array of subjects than similar email lists, generate much more content. I'm a sort of an unofficial moderator on a certain Finnish forum; during a holiday, this forum generated 6 times more posts per member than this list. In larger forums the ratio appears to be even bigger. And to return to the signal-to-noise ratio business: Sure, you can simply jump over junk or boring topics, but who prevents a topic getting initially a bad title, or a non-interesting thread developing into something interesting? The strict thread separation is something I don't like. If you have several one-liner replys, you can now stuff them into one email; that would be impossible with a thread-based system. I'm no expert on these, but you'd still either have to put at least a copy of the message into each thread. Since this is a technical problem though, I'll stick with bringing it up and leaving it for the people who can handle it. John Vertical (whew... reading through this post flood and writing this message took the same time as listening through Search, Mothers of Rain, Dolls in the Shadow, Waterborne, Bent Cold Sidewalk, Midnight in Tula, Haunted Heights, Beach Theme, Astral Voyager, Le Parc and half of Cherokee Lane...) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35482 Re: Bulletin Board Marko Marin Tue 8/13/2002 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 9:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Legal Live Tape trading network >Hi guys, > >check this out, there's a filesharing network to trade live >concerts, but only from bands who've officially allowed this: > >http://furthurnet.com Hmm, could this be used as a way to DOWN some further TTrees? just a thought... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35475 Re: Legal Live Tape trading network Dan Downey Mon 8/12/2002 4 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 9:53 am Subject: Bulletin Board Hi all, I'll leave out the obvious stuff, and just make a few, maybe not-so-obvious pros and cons. Bear in mind, you'Äll have to deal with the same variety of members on a forum and a mailing list. mailing list (at yahoo) + yahoogroups is popular. Easy to find for new 'customers' mailing list (anywhere) - off-topic posts - wrong subject lines - (or +?) limited scope, other (taboo) subjects to be discussed in a different mailing list (tangerinedream, goblinsclub, artofvision) o multimedia content only through posting links o a post to the list reaches all members (if they want or not) + low maintenance, even if moderated + low bandwidth access (slow modem or mobile) works ok + short net access time possible (batch download - offline read and reply - batch upload) in hotels or for mobile users. + easy to archive locally (e.g. Netscape mail file, simple text format, searchable locally). Mine goes back to day one, Feb 15, 1990. forum - off topic posts (can be moved by admin) - post under wrong subjects (can be moved by admin) - maintenance intensive, needs a very motivated admin team - no local database, back-reading and searching only possible online - difficult to keep long-time archives (data size, bandwidth) o post to the forum reaches only memebers who chose to read it + daily email digests possible + closed user groups possible through the same interface + much nicer interface, integrated seach features + direct multimedia content possible + sub-topics (announcements,meetings,'Coffee House' possible) general topics: if we want to retain TDI participation, both a forum and a mailing list will have to declare certain topics taboo. no responses: my experinece is, that the only reasons for mails not getting any replies on tadream are either totally inane questions or statements, or the resident specialists are on holiday or business trips. 'Signal to noise ratio': Just moving the same bunch of people from list to forum approach, doesn't automatically improve 'topic discipline' , quantity or quality of posts. My _personal_ conclusion: At the moment, I still like the mailing list approach better, for practical reasons and because I get to see all posts - even if I chose to ignore most of them. In a forum, I'd probably have to resort to a daily digest of _all_ new posts anyway , to be sure to catch the interesting ones that people have accidentally posted under 'boring' subjects ;-) Of course, a forum is a nice _compliment_ to the mailing list, you could even go as far as to actually have the tadream (and other) mailing list posts accessible through the forum. That would avoid splitting up our community completely. cheers, klaus From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 10:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories >On the TDI web site, Edgar says that in 17 years of collaboration he and >Chris met socially only once, when Chris' wife invited Edgar and Monika >to their home for dinner. I find this comment unbelieveable... Edgar appears to be trying to make Chris's departure look lees significant? >I get the strong sense from other interviews that Edgar resents Chris' >use of some of the themes developed when they were together, especially >stuff on 'The London Concert'. Didn't he do exactly the same with Mothers of Rain, it originated in 86 after all? And I don't think he consulted Chris at all about Tangents, SndMN, Antique Dreams etc. >I seem to remember Chris also saying he >felt Edgar had agreed to do too much soundtrack work between 1983-87, and >that the work load had left Chris creatively exhausted. Extensive UK and US >tours in 1986, in addition to the regular studio LPs, didn't help either. Didn't Johannes also leave because of the overburden? Looks like they were in the 80s either 1) greedy 2) in need of large amounts of cash for some reason 3) too easily agreeing to sign a contract John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: 'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR' Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 10:04 am Subject: RE: Vol 9 question > > I would assume that given the vintage, that 'IPS' is to stand for > 'inches per second' > 'Is Probably Stolen' ;-) Daniel From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 10:05 am Subject: Forum / Ads >Don't you get ads from Yahoo now? Am I the only one who doesn't get what all this ads discussion is about? I read the list through daily email digests, not through the web. Zero ads there. When yahoo turned on 'ads yes' in all user profiles a few months back, I turned them off again, and - no more ads. cheers, klaus From: mikael.jussila@p... Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 11:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories John Vertical wrote: > >I seem to remember Chris also saying he > >felt Edgar had agreed to do too much soundtrack work between 1983-87, and > >that the work load had left Chris creatively exhausted. Extensive UK and US > >tours in 1986, in addition to the regular studio LPs, didn't help either. > > Didn't Johannes also leave because of the overburden? Looks like they were > in the 80s either > 1) greedy > 2) in need of large amounts of cash for some reason > 3) too easily agreeing to sign a contract From the liner notes of Castle's 'Le Parc': 'By now all three band members had ploughed their film soundtrack earnings into their own studios, as Edgar Froese recalls: 'I was always looking around for soundtrack work to get things going, as one can imagine that it cost a lot of money. The aim was that each member of the band had his own recording place to work independently and prepare things, because if there was just one big studio and one member was working or trying to do his sound research, then the others would be just hanging around and waiting.'' *Fornit Some Fornus* MJUSSILA From: Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 12:21 pm Subject: RE: TD Web Virtual Bulltin Board Hello to all, I totally agree with Vic, thats okay. Regards heiko - Mr. Optical www.tribute-to-ashra.de www.opticaldream.de FREE ASHRA NEWSLETTER subcribe here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------------------------- Message: 10 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:17:49 -0400 From: 'vic rek' Subject: Re: TD Web Virtual Bulletin Board My two cents about this web-based idea... > >Is it not about time that this TD list moved on and went to a web-based > >community forum where this could be broken down into topics rather than the > >current emails that we have i.e. in date order only .......... surely it is > >about time that we looked to migrate elsewhere and changed the whole concept > >of how things are discussed..............it would be easier to search if > >everyone replied to specific topics and threads would be categorised instead > >of the current mess that we have on this list ?! Why change? I am perfectly happy with the way things are. I did not realize that we have a mess on the list? We have a digest version for those that do not like many e-mails. I have no problem with the e-mails at all. If I look at the topic and it doesn't interest me - I just delete the e-mail. I do not have to read one word of it, besides the subject. But at other times, the subject can be mis-leading and there is interesting information in the e-mail. So what is the problem? Also, I travel a lot and I almost always use dial-up connections, so I do not even bring up my web-brower at times - and why would I want to get hit with advertisement just to read my TD e-mail? I believe this list would lose membership if we took such a direction. > >Currently everyone just sends emails to the list that either 'disappear' and > >never get replied to ....or we all have to read emails that may not be of > >interest to us, with the new web based forums, new topics can be created or > >current topics can be replied to.... the whole database is searchable...etc > >etc .......... I can search and sort my e-mails - so the benefit escapes me. Vic [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35410 Re: TD Web Virtual Bulltin Board Jim Moore Sun 8/11/2002 3 KB 35422 Re: TD Web Virtual Bulltin Board Admin Sun 8/11/2002 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 1:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories > > >I seem to remember Chris also saying he > > >felt Edgar had agreed to do too much soundtrack work between 1983-87, >and > > >that the work load had left Chris creatively exhausted. Extensive UK >and US > > >tours in 1986, in addition to the regular studio LPs, didn't help >either. > > > > Didn't Johannes also leave because of the overburden? Looks like they >were > > in the 80s either > > 1) greedy > > 2) in need of large amounts of cash for some reason > > 3) too easily agreeing to sign a contract > >From the liner notes of Castle's 'Le Parc': >'By now all three band members had ploughed their film soundtrack earnings >into their own studios, as Edgar Froese recalls: 'I was always looking >around for soundtrack work to get things going, as one can imagine that it >cost a lot of money. The aim was that each member of the band had his own >recording place to work independently and prepare things, because if there >was just one big studio and one member was working or trying to do his >sound research, then the others would be just hanging around and waiting.' That's circular reasoning. If they hadn't done so much of them soundtracks and other stuff, they could well have waited a bit... And I think Edgar is exagerrating the situation here, they did have lots of equipment already. I can though imagine a situation when two or perhaps all three band members want to play with the same new toy and thus they end up buying two more... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: Michael W Daniels Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 2:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum At 04:43 PM 8/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I really have an opinion about all these people saying to keep it a list. >'Why do we need color on a television? black and white is fine.' The difference between a list and a forum is much greater, though. A list is 'push' technology -- messages show up without you having to do anything. Even though I have filters set up to put tadream emails in a separate folder, they arrive at the same time as all sorts of other emails. A web forum, on the other hand, is 'pull' technology -- you have to explicitly do something different (start a browser instance and point it at the webforum) to see new messages. And you don't even know if there will be anything new there at any particular time you check. Now if what you mean by: >The forum will have a backend which operates as close to this current >mailing list as possible. is a forum-to-mail gateway that would mail out new posts as they're added, and automagically re-thread any emailed replies, then those of us who prefer push might not be disappointed. But I've never seen such a thing before (though mail-to-news gateways exist IIRC). -- Michael W. Daniels | 'The thunder was ominous-sounding, much daniels@l... | like the sound of a thin sheet of metal Department of Linguistics | being shaken backstage during the storm 218 Oxley Hall | scene in a play.' From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 2:41 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: TD Web Virtual Bulltin Board My 2000 pesos: I'm not vehemently opposed to the idea, but I often find myself in conditions of low-bandwidth when I travel, and I'm often using my Pocket PC for remotely accessing and responding to my mail while on the road (or at work) -- during those time, digests don't necessarily work for me. I don't mind the VBB approach running simultaneously as long as the current method would still continue to work. On undesired threads: If I don't care about the topic, I just delete them. If there are enough postings, I create a kill string rule. BTW: has that 'Jim is a moron' thread cleared up, yet? On ads: I don't think I've ever received ads from this group. All my messages have arrived plain text only with no attachments. I've seen them from other Yahoo groups, but that was due to my forgetting to change the settings. Plain text message also have less of a chance of Outlook yakking on them... On searching: if I think something will be noteworthy (tree instructions, for example), I'll save the message and have it when I archive my mailbox to an offline file. But searching isn't something that I've needed to do in a *long* time. On personal attacks: I hope no one takes this issue to the point that it might become personal and/or dissolve friendships. Come on! We're all adults here, and there should be a amicable solution to all this. Recapping: I'd be interested in seeing what the new format would be like, but if I lose the capability to utilize the list as I do now, then I won't be able to use it a lot of the time. If someone can reassure that won't happen, I won't say much more on the topic. - jim From: Marion Horrod Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 3:02 pm Subject: Creativity is not a limited thing Mark said 'You know, creativity is not a limited thing. Often, the more one creates, the more one is able to create. It does not come from a store house that can become depleted. Creativity is like a muscle. The more you use it, the bigger it gets.' Yeees, but..... Surely there has to be a point where you're trying to do too much? Suppose I have 26 different plot ideas for novels. Do I spend a year churning out a book a fortnight, a la Barbara Cartland, or do I spend a year crafting the best novel I possibly can, possibly combining several of my ideas into one? (Not that I'm comparing EF with BC, of course, although I'm sure he'd look pretty in pink!) Now I'm not a particularly creative person, but if I make something I want to spend time ensuring it is the best it can be. And while creativity may not be a limited thing, _time_ is. I know in business we are encouraged to make something that is 'good enough' or 'fit for purpose', delivery on time being a part of the requirement, but surely in creative work there is room for a more perfectionist approach? I realise it's possible to get too perfectionist, of course, in which case nothing would ever get released. And (to avoid getting flamed!) I'm not going to say that Edgar falls on one or other side of the happy medium - I'm responding to the abstract point that Mark made and nothing more. What do you creative types say? LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35415 Re: Creativity is not a limited thing Chris Owen Sun 8/11/2002 3 KB 35420 Re: Creativity is not a limited thing Gustavo Jobim Sun 8/11/2002 3 KB 35423 Re: Creativity is not a limited thing John Vertical Sun 8/11/2002 3 KB 35427 Re: Creativity is not a limited thing Chris Owen Sun 8/11/2002 3 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 2:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] (Forumtalk) Bulletin Board ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' > Apparently there would be other benefics (probebly mispelled) too. There > would be the fact that more topics could be covered. I don't understand the > talk about 'don't separate this list'; hey, we have 500+ members, we cannot > be like just like a bunch of buddies. Even if 400 of those are lurkers, we'd > still need some effective crowd control. > So go on, have side forums for 'Edgar Worship', 'Technical Jargon', 'Other > Musicians', 'Collectors' Corner', '100% OT Chit-Chat' and so on There is no reason why this cant be done in an email list. Just like I did with the subject line for this message. Glenn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35426 Re: (Forumtalk) Bulletin Board John Vertical Sun 8/11/2002 3 KB From: Marion Horrod Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 3:24 pm Subject: Bulletin boards Hi Munt For me, this format works just fine. I get a daily digest, I spend minimal (expensive) time online, I skip over any bits in the digest I'm not interested in (precious few), and I respond by e-mail to those points I feel moved to, changing the subject line if I think I'm drifting away from the original topic. What would I gain from a bulletin board? (This is a serious question, b.t.w. - maybe there are advantages I don't know about.) On the other hand, there are probably others who feel as you do, and who stand to benefit in ways that I do not. By all means go ahead and organise your Electronic Music Web Bulletin Forum, and I hope it is successful and topical and exciting and all the things you wish for it. There is no reason why it and this list shouldn't coexist harmoniously. LnH Marion From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 11:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories >The aim was that each member of the band had his own recording place to work independently and prepare things' I guess in the long term, this plan backfired on Edgar. After leaving TD, both Chris and Johannes had nice studios of their own to move into, which had been funded by TD's stack of soundtrack work! - Chris Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35421 Re: Old Stories Gustavo Jobim Sun 8/11/2002 2 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 11:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Creativity is not a limited thing > Surely there has to be a point where you're trying to do too much? Suppose > I have 26 different plot ideas for novels. Do I spend a year churning out a > book a fortnight, a la Barbara Cartland, or do I spend a year crafting the > best novel I possibly can, possibly combining several of my ideas into one? Novelist Clive Barker calls it 'disciplining the flow of ideas.' If a writer (or musician of course) has a real creative flow of ideas for an extended period, I think Barker's is a sensible approach, where instead of using every idea immediately, the artist uses some of the ideas now (whichever are relevant to the project on which he is working), and archives some for use on later projects. If the artist finds himself in a creative dry spell in the future, he can simply turn to his archive of ideas. I write a similar type of fiction to Barker's, and keep an ideas book for present and future reference, and a friend musician of mine does the same with melodies, etc which he stores on tape with the intention of possibly using them in the future if he doesn't do so right away. I remember Edgar saying something along these lines in the 70s. He said the band had tapes back in Berlin which they couldn't release yet as they were too advanced for their time, and the public wasn't ready. A touch condescending possibly, but if this were true, then the band had composed and recorded these ideas, but then stored them for future use. Whether they were ever released is another story. Maybe they had written White Eagle in 1977! - Chris From: Mark Filipak Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 4:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories John Vertical wrote: > > > On the TDI web site, Edgar says that in 17 years of collaboration he > > and Chris met socially only once, when Chris' wife invited Edgar and > > Monika to their home for dinner. > > I find this comment unbelieveable... Edgar appears to be trying to make > Chris's departure look lees significant? 'Less significant'? I don't think so. I don't think you should read too much into Ed's comment. Ed and Chris didn't socialize, that's all. But they did practically live together in the TD Berlin studio. > > I get the strong sense from other interviews that Edgar resents > > Chris' use of some of the themes developed when they were together, > > especially stuff on 'The London Concert'. > > Didn't he do exactly the same with Mothers of Rain, it originated in 86 > after all? And I don't think he consulted Chris at all about Tangents, > SndMN, Antique Dreams etc. Ed holds the rights to TD. He can always use whatever the band did without getting the approval of former band members. The band didn't break up. Chris left. > > I seem to remember Chris also saying he felt Edgar had agreed to do > > too much soundtrack work between 1983-87, and that the work load > > had left Chris creatively exhausted. Extensive UK and US tours in > > 1986, in addition to the regular studio LPs, didn't help either. > > Didn't Johannes also leave because of the overburden? Looks like > they were in the 80s either > 1) greedy > 2) in need of large amounts of cash for some reason > 3) too easily agreeing to sign a contract Come on, John! Does wanting to be successful mean that you're 'greedy'? No. Please don't slander. Where was TD in the mid-80s? The band was on top of the EM mountain. They'd finished a long contract with Virgin that'd made Virgin a ton of money. They'd done some very successful movie work and were getting requests for more and more all the time. They wanted to establish their own, personal studios -- who wouldn't? EM was just going mainstream and TD had a chance to become as big as Pink Floyd -- a stadium filler -- or at least, I'm sure that's how it appeared at the time. Please, cut the band, and Edgar some slack, eh? Ciao -- Mark From: Mark Filipak Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 4:40 pm Subject: Valley of the Sun (was: [tadream] Bulletin Board) John Vertical wrote: > > I think I've now read the whole forum thread so far. Well, here's what > I think about this: > > I am myself happy with the situation at the moment, except that I'd > surely like a decent archive search engine. I tried to look for James > Owens's (was it him?) Valley of the Sun poetry, but I couldn't find it. > :( Here you go, John. From my personal archive (searched with a push of a button)... Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:57:38 -0500 From: 'Owens, James' (excerpt) I picture this as a hike to a mountain top. The climb starts inconspicuously. The trail is steep and rough, but the view at the top - looking off into the valley of the sun - makes all the effort worthwhile. But bliss cannot last forever, and we must eventually return to the trailhead, and back to life as usual... I'll go to that high summit again and again, for the majesty that spans beyond my ken. My trek is long, but I will be strong and though my journey's just begun, my faith draws me there to see the Valley of the Sun. ---poetry by James Owens, inspired by 'Valley of the Sun' by Tangerine Dream From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 5:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories > > > I get the strong sense from other interviews that Edgar resents > > > Chris' use of some of the themes developed when they were together, > > > especially stuff on 'The London Concert'. > > > > Didn't he do exactly the same with Mothers of Rain, it originated in 86 > > after all? And I don't think he consulted Chris at all about Tangents, > > SndMN, Antique Dreams etc. > >Ed holds the rights to TD. He can always use whatever the band did >without getting the approval of former band members. The band didn't >break up. Chris left. Well, the right thing is not always the legal thing and vice versa... Accusing someone from something you're doing is questionable, even if the law is on your side. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: Marion Horrod Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 5:33 pm Subject: Re: Forum (hopefully non-inflammatory) Not wanting to contribute to WW3, I have just deleted the massive post I wrote. (Even more massive than this one has turned out to be!) There were lots of comments about whether what the 'pro-forumites' perceived as benefits were really beneficial, but the bottom line is: As a dial-up user who has to pay for their on-line time, I have the most reason to be conservative about changes. But if I can use e-mail to: - get a daily digest of material (sounds as if I can) - that is at about the same level of on-topicness as what I get now (not too sure about this after Morgan's comments ), - getting everything that has been posted without having to know a thread exists and subscribe to it (Joe's explanation of the uberlist sounds as if this will happen), - without getting multiple copies because it has been cross-posted (will cross posts even be possible?) - and can post a reply without needing to know which sub-forum it's going to (not clear about this yet - I will wait and see) I will be happy. If other people can get al the extra whizz-bang stuff that they perceive as beneficial and I don't, that makes absolutely no difference to me except I shall be glad if they're happy. (It's nice to be nice.) In other words, by all means change - I would be happy to see a move away from Yahoo, for a variety of reasons - but don't throw the baby out with the bath water. If we were to go entirely web-based, I would probably unsubscribe, simply because this is not very practical for me. And I _work_ in web development, so I don't think you could accuse me of being a technophobe. But that isn't what is being planned, from the sounds of it, so 'don't panic, Mr Mainwaring!' On a point of information, at some point Morgan asked 'Don't you get ads from yahoo now?' Well, in text only digest mode, the only thing I get that's not from the list is 'Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ' at the bottom of the digest. I think I can just about live with this! Morgan, don't get sore. We're all change-resistant to an extent, and the more we love a thing the harder some of us will fight to keep it the way it is, and the harder others of us will fight to make it the best it can be, and the crosser the two groups will get with each other because each will think that the other is not responding to their concerns (and the more we'll disagree about what 'the best it can be' actually is). Once everybody has had a chance to voice their concerns, tell you it will never catch on, and have a good grumble because its not the way it was before, they usually settle down and try out the new thing on its actual merits. And once Joe has finished doing what he's doing, that is what will have to happen. But just because a forum is right for you doesn't mean it's right for everybody. It did seem to me that people's reasonable concerns were driving you to outrageousness in an attempt to get your point of view across. I doubted what you said about adverts too, until you told us what your credentials in the field were: that doesn't mean I thought you were a liar, I just thought you had incomplete information. So just you and Vic make it up, like good boys! LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35425 Re: Forum (hopefully non-inflammatory) Gustavo Jobim Sun 8/11/2002 2 KB 35433 Re: Forum (hopefully non-inflammatory) Joe Shoults Sun 8/11/2002 4 KB 35444 Re: Forum (hopefully non-inflammatory) Marion Horrod Mon 8/12/2002 2 KB 35445 Re: Forum (hopefully non-inflammatory) Paul Lawler Mon 8/12/2002 2 KB 35461 Re: Forum (hopefully non-inflammatory) John Vertical Mon 8/12/2002 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Creativity is not a limited thing >I realise it's possible to get too perfectionist, of course, in which case >nothing would ever get released. And (to avoid getting flamed!) I'm not >going to say that Edgar falls on one or other side of the happy medium - >I'm responding to the abstract point that Mark made and nothing more. What >do you creative types say? >LnH >Marion I've heard several times that in creating something - a book, a music album or anything - there's a point where you just have to abandon the work. And that is true, at least for me; even after I finished my album and burned a master copy, the following weekend I was just practising one of the tracks and I noticed I just had to record it again because I wasn't 100% satisfied with what I had in the master. Not counting another track I recorded in february and I knew it would be better if I did it again, but I had to finish the work while still on holidays. I already had to wait from the end of March, when I finished writing, till July, holiday month, to record the most complicated one... Yeah, for me at least, indeed there's a point where you just have to abandon the work otherwise you'll be always improving but you'll never actually finish it. GJ np. Staunen im Fjord - Selbsportrait I & II (Roedelius) happy father's day! it's today down here in Brazil. do you have that too, around the world? Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 5:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories At 16:34 11/8/2002 -0700, you wrote: >>The aim was that each member of the band had his own recording place to >work independently and prepare things' Chris said: >I guess in the long term, this plan backfired on Edgar. After leaving TD, >both Chris and Johannes had nice studios of their own to move into, which >had been funded by TD's stack of soundtrack work! TD's soundtrack which Chris and Johannes created, with Edgar. I don't see any problem with that! It's money well deserved for their, I believe, VERY hard work. GJ still playing Roedelius p.s. should we create a sub-forum called 'now playing'? Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: TD Web Virtual Bulltin Board 'Jim is a moron' thread? I missed that. I must have looked over it and deleted it from my mail. It is nice to do that with email. If I was too see Dale is a moron, I would think a bit, maybe get a bit angry, then wonder how can I delete that thread? After all that I would have to live with that thread. I might be inclined to leave the list. Now if one said this in jest, then I would have to be a bit thick skin or know I am a moron for something I did. Either way, I rather have this in email such that I can nuke. I have a hand held too that if I was going to be away for a long period, I would use to get mail. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jim Moore' To: Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 7:41 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: TD Web Virtual Bulltin Board From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 5:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Creativity is not a limited thing >I remember Edgar saying something along these lines in the 70s. He said the >band had tapes back in Berlin which they couldn't release yet as they were >too advanced for their time, and the public wasn't ready. A touch >condescending possibly, but if this were true, then the band had composed >and recorded these ideas, but then stored them for future use. Whether they >were ever released is another story. Maybe they had written White Eagle in >1977! > >- Chris My guess would be that he was referring to Green Desert. WE and the like include probably too many things that were not accomplishable with 70s equipment. Of course they could have some shells of finished pieces, but that sounds unlikely. -Except with some of the early 80s unreleased live material, perhaps... I'm browsing Zebbyworld at the moment and the amount of new material TD is supposed to have written for their 80 and 81 tours looks bewildering. I'm playing TT vol.14 disk 2 at the moment, and at least Phase Change could well have been written in the 70s. John Vertical np Diamond Duster. Kinda' like the evil twin brother of Beach Theme... _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: quarlie@a... Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 5:58 pm Subject: Re: Album length In a message dated 8/10/02 9:40:49 AM, glenn@f... writes: >When an artist has filled up an album >and thinks his work is ready, he could give it another look and see if >it >can be improved by cutting away something. That's the art - to improve >on >something you think is ready. And it is always more difficult to cut away >than add on something that is 'ready'. I don't understand. Okay, so you have a full album of stuff. How is simply removing from it going to make it better? You may end up raising the average quality per minute, I guess, but so what? An album with 6 good tracks is an album with 6 good tracks, no matter how many other tracks are on it. --Daniel NP: Dream Theater - When Dream and Day Unite From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 6:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Forum (hopefully non-inflammatory) >Morgan, don't get sore. We're all change-resistant to an extent, ...and that's a natural human behaviour. just a half cent- GJ >So just you and Vic make it up, like good boys! >LnH >Marion ...and play some peaceful Roedelius music to chill out. ;) a quarter cent- GJ Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 6:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] (Forumtalk) Bulletin Board > > So go on, have side forums for 'Edgar Worship', 'Technical Jargon', >'Other > > Musicians', 'Collectors' Corner', '100% OT Chit-Chat' and so on > >There is no reason why this cant be done in an email list. Just like I did >with the subject line for this message. Subject lines are, well, subjective. ;-) Not everyone will / is able to give apt titles... and like I said in another part of my post, a topic might evolve into something different (eg. the 'Quantum Fishics') - at the first messages going to a different direction, people often forget to change the subject line. Other people deleting them by title can have the impresson that 'I don't like this' though they could in fact like it. Hence I at least glance every message through, no matter what the topic line says. (And occasionally, with the towel episode for instance, it can get pretty ugly...) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 3:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Creativity is not a limited thing > My guess would be that he was referring to Green Desert. Hmm, this could well be right John, but I've a feeling he might have been referring to music other than this. The reason I say this is becuase, as I remember it right, TD wrote and recorded Green Desert in 1973, and fully intended to release it at that time. But before doing so, the whole John Peel/Richard Branson thing took off, and after signing to Virgin, TD ploughed a lot of the advance into a Moog modular system. Naturally, they started toying with it at once, and wanted to use it extensively on their next LP, which would go on to be Phaedra of course. They then considered releasing Green Desert to be a step backwards, and not representative of the sound they could now produce, and so shelved it (until 1986 as we all know). So, in a way, Green Desert represented a step backward in TD's musical journey, rather than the giant step forward to which Edgar seemed to be referring in the interview about the 'hidden' tapes in Berlin. But, hey, I guess only the true story will come from Edgar. On a side note, not that he's planning one, but I think Edgar's autobiography would be a fascinating read! - Chris (Now playing Red Shift live in Huizen 1999) From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 3:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Album length I agree Daniel, and personally I would much rather hear an album with 6 good tracks and 5 average ones, (as opposed to an album consisting of merely the 6 good tracks) because then at least I get to hear those average tracks and I can make up my own mind about how good they actually are! Plus, the average tracks kind of place the better tracks in a different context. And of course, who is to say which tracks are better and which are average in th efirst place? The musician? The fans? - Chris (still playing Red Shift!) > I don't understand. Okay, so you have a full album of stuff. How is simply > removing from it going to make it better? You may end up raising the average > quality per minute, I guess, but so what? An album with 6 good tracks is an > album with 6 good tracks, no matter how many other tracks are on it. > > --Daniel From: 'sequentc' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 4:26 am Subject: TD Web Bulletin Board Marion In reply.......... there are a hundred reasons not to go to a web forum format..... but one good reason to do so. The really main advantage of a web forum would be the 'topics' categories..... people can respond to the topics that they want to reply to or what they want to read about ........better navigation of issues etc................. we also have the additional benefit of extra areas to discuss topics off the mainstream TD agenda....i.e. coffee room etc... you can also see who is on line...?! The web forum would attract a more vibrant society than what we have at the moment....the current list tends to be dominated by the responses to the 'flavour of the week' type issue as opposed to a true discussion site?! Some individuals on the list may view the web forum as a inconvenience...but many will benefit from the new forum immensely..... perhaps we should think of the majority as opposed to the inconvenienced few.... I have been using a web based bulletin forum for three years and experience has shown me it works well! Munt1 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35431 Re: TD Web Bulletin Board Robert Grabowsky Sun 8/11/2002 3 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 8:39 pm Subject: Old Stories >>On the TDI web site, Edgar says that in 17 years of collaboration he and >>Chris met socially only once, when Chris' wife invited Edgar and Monika >>to their home for dinner. > I find this comment unbelieveable... Edgar appears to be trying to make > Chris's departure look lees significant? I've met the band around their last Froese/Franke/Schmoelling performance in Berlin in 1987, and I don't find it unbelievable. I have no specific information, but a friendly and respectful 'business' association between Edgar and Chris, with little extension into the private area, is consistent with what I experienced. regards klaus From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 9:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Web Bulletin Board Why hunt and peck for a topic when you have it all delivered to you and then you can read what you want and delete the rest????? THE HIGHLANDER At 09:26 PM 8/11/02 -0700, you wrote: >Marion > >In reply.......... there are a hundred reasons not to go to a web forum >format..... but one good reason to do so. > >The really main advantage of a web forum would be the 'topics' >categories..... people can respond to the topics that they want to reply to >or what they want to read about ........better navigation of issues >etc................. we also have the additional benefit of extra areas to >discuss topics off the mainstream TD agenda....i.e. coffee room etc... you >can also see who is on line...?! The web forum would attract a more vibrant >society than what we have at the moment....the current list tends to be >dominated by the responses to the 'flavour of the week' type issue as >opposed to a true discussion site?! > >Some individuals on the list may view the web forum as a inconvenience...but >many will benefit from the new forum immensely..... perhaps we should think >of the majority as opposed to the inconvenienced few.... > >I have been using a web based bulletin forum for three years and experience >has shown me it works well! > >Munt1 > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 9:55 pm Subject: [TT2] New TT2 updates and revised SHN file list Hey all- Tree participants will benefit from this SHN/Redbook/contents disk chart. It helped me keep track of what I was burning: http://www.tadream.net/tree/downloadcalculator/disks Latest TT2 update: http://www.tadream.net/tree/status/ (please update your status at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database/) I draw the data from that yahoogroups database - and your e-mails to tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com if you cannot get to yahoogroups yourself - to create an Excel file and print pdf versions sorted in ways to help you find what you need to know: * all participants alphabetically * all by Supplier * by status * (if you can think of another useful way, lemme know) and put them in the status folder. The yahoogorups version is searchable, so it's easy to use, but if you have problems let us know. Thanks, Joe Shoults Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35449 Re: [TT2] New TT2 updates and revised SHN file li Joe Shoults Mon 8/12/2002 2 KB 35590 Deadly Care VHS Paul Fellows Fri 8/16/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 10:52 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Forum (hopefully non-inflammatory) Hey Folks- I've gotten behind on list mails, so I'm not up to date on this latest List Structure Thread (haha- or on who's flamed whom this time). You can Marion's comments always have a good balancing effect on things, so I guessed her reply was the best starting point to jump into it. I certainly do not want to sound smug or jaded; just the opposite, when I say that this subject comes up regularly, and most of the time, most people are just peachy keen the ways things are. But of course, we back here in the workshed are always looking for viable alternatives. We have tested and rejected many, maybe even ones we shouldn't have. We do not normally inform everyone when we are working in the shed because, as you can see, it is quite a distracting topic on-list. Note that we have not yet officially adopted a new one; it just looks like vBulletin is really the best so far. For our specific purposes, it is still unproven, barely tested and just set up, still being configured. Adoption will depend in large part on how we can soup it up to provide SEAMLESS transition and salient benefits for subscribers. But the technical mechanics are only one aspect of it. The point is, that there are social dynamics at work in any list*, and I think any fear or resistance to change is rooted in how the change in the structure and mechanics of the list will affect the social dynamics of the list. How will it affect how we interact? For example, will an uberlister's response to a post that originated in a sub-forum go back to that sub-forum and vice versa? Will categorizing discussions effectively fragment and disorient the community at large? Conversely, the benefits of having independence from yahoo include you being able to have your own secure e-mail in the tadream.net domain if you want (kinda like a hotmail thing), plus other benefits to you, plus we're migrating the full historical tadream archives with more extensive search capabilities, etc. Plus, it will be easier to automate the Tangerine Tree management process with already-created profiles and a custom TT trading database we're planning. Administrators have the added benefit of enhanced administrative controls to free up our time to properly maintain - and promote - the list. I could go on, but I think I'm being redundant already and have probably already lost you anyway. ;-) THE BOTTOM LINE: Don't worry! we will take care to preserve the integrity of the Tadream online community at large. The overall sense of community is what is most important here, more important than extended search capabilities or fancy thingamajigs. Joe * one example of this: http://www.tadream.net/netiquet.htm#life -----Original Message----- From: Marion Horrod To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: 8/11/02 1:33 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Forum (hopefully non-inflammatory) From: quarlie@a... Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 1:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Album length In a message dated 8/11/02 3:54:38 PM, chris@o... writes: >And of course, who is to say which tracks are better and which are average >in the first place? The musician? The fans? That's exactly why I'm not in favor of dropping tracks from a filled album. Even if the musician him/herself doesn't dig a track that much, some listener(s) might love it. --Daniel NP: Tangerine Tree Volume 1 From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 2:26 am Subject: you can just delete this ;) RE: Forum (hopefully non-inflammatory) >(...) fancy thingamajigs. >Joe You know, I just love these words! 'thingamajigs', 'whiz-bang'... hahahaahah! will we have a sub-forum for them? ;) GJ (told you! :) np: TOTT... (will post a message about this later...) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 2:39 am Subject: ToTT >Gustavo posted: > >np: TOTT... (will post a message about this later...) I look forward to your comments. This was my first TD purchase, although I'd seen the movie Miracle Mile a few years earlier. np (And no we don't need a subforum for this) Manchester June 5, 1976 -Morgan From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 6:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Vol 9 question > >Vol.9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 complete concert > >(source: digital copy of BBC IPS master tape, plus 1st > >generation audience tape) > > I would assume that given the vintage, that 'IPS' is to stand for > 'inches per second' (reel-to-reel). IF that's the case, then the > number is missing. Was it 15? (I doubt it), 7.5? (most likely), or > 3.75? (I don't THINK so, given the high sound quality). It is 7.5 inches per second.. Heiko From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 6:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Vol 9 question Heiko, isn't 7.5 just done to review? 15IPS for total spectrum sound (20 to 20k+)? I seem to remember reading this on one of my old multi-tracks. Sort of like using 16 bits as opposed to 24 bit or more, or 44.1KHz when 48KHz is better? Off list would be fine if you are so inclined to comment. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Vol 9 question > > > > >Vol.9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 complete concert > > >(source: digital copy of BBC IPS master tape, plus 1st > > >generation audience tape) > > > > I would assume that given the vintage, that 'IPS' is to stand for > > 'inches per second' (reel-to-reel). IF that's the case, then the > > number is missing. Was it 15? (I doubt it), 7.5? (most likely), or > > 3.75? (I don't THINK so, given the high sound quality). > > It is 7.5 inches per second.. > > Heiko > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 7:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD and vocals On 10 Aug 2002 at 12:53, Paul Dryden wrote: > example. 'Cyclone' was not regarded as a good album. Is it just me or > should TD never try vocals? I certainly get the impression that electronic musicians may be utterly unused to dealing with vocals. Those on Cyclone are ok if a bit eccentric (maybe because of it!), but we have to remember that they were written by Steve Joliffe, who was only with TD for that album. The lyrics on 'Tyger' are great, having been written by William Blake, but their transition into music does not always work on the album. Other experiments with vocals have been dire - both by TD ('Dreamtime') and by former members (they SO spoil the otherwise beautiful 'Celestine Prophecy'). Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35463 Re: TD and vocals Jonathan Holt Mon 8/12/2002 2 KB From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 7:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bulletin Board Finally, please remember that there are still some of us, at least in Europe, who have to use their phone line to access the internet, and fewer but still some who are on a pay-per-call basis and not on flatrate or broadband. I, for one, like the idea of downloading the e-mails from the list and then taking my time in replying to interesting topics, without the fear of blocking the phone line for too long and without the nuisance of waiting for a web page to build. Call me a luddite all you want, but the mailing list format does have its merits. Dennis From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 7:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum On 10 Aug 2002 at 17:54, Mark Filipak wrote: > > It's quite simple. Because everyone is replying to a certain topic, > > the subject line would already be set. As long as you don't change > > it, it will be even easier to follow a discussion. > > You are not answering the question, Morgan. Vic asked how he would > reply without a browser. I want to know this too. Stop talking about > how easy it is to read messages on-line. First, that's not what was > asked, and second, it's not true that messages are easy to read > on-line. Replying to an e-mail and not changing the topic line will keep topics coherent whichever environment you use to read your e-mails. If I want my mails sorted by topic, I do so in Pegasus Mail. No problem at all. A recent experience of mine concerning a new web-based forum and its use of subject lines is that the forum creates the illusion of order through its hierarchical use of headings. This illusion, however, is then destroyed by people being unwilling or unable to click their way through umpteen slow-building web pages to find information or reply to a previous post. So what they do is post a new thread. At which point the administrator steps in to slap people's wrists and move the post to the appropriate branch of the forum. The result is a very long list of topics, most of which have very little informative content, and a select few catch-all topics which no one bothers to read because it is too cumbersome. I really don't mean to step on anyone's toes here. Everyone involved in this discussion is, to me, a welcome and valuable member of this community. But by changing the format of the forum just for the sake of it (and it's not as if formats and providers hadn't changed in recent years), I get the feeling that you may cause the list to lose those subscribers that appreciate the e-mail format for the easy access to diverse information that it offers. Having an e-mail option in a forum that is going to be 'primarily' web- based is like offering a vegetarian 'option' in a steak house. You can choose it, but it's made damn clear to you that you'll be excluded from the steak-house community in all but the physical sense. Dennis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 8:30 am Subject: RE: Bulletin Board Hi, I'd support a move to this kind of system. One of the main arguments against a change seems to be that some people feel that it would be more expensive for them, as they pay per minute for access. In my experience of similar BBs I can very quickly scan what is being talked about in a very clear manner, decide what I want to read, and easily post new threads that others may be interested in following. Your time online can still be very brief. I believe it will be a step forwards. Just my 2 euros. Daniel From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 9:06 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 1452 Well, the right thing is not always the legal thing and vice versa... Accusing someone from something you're doing is questionable, even if the law is on your side. 'to be honesty, you must live outside the law' Bob Dylan From: Marion Horrod Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 10:14 am Subject: Re: RE: Re: Forum (hopefully non-inflammatory) Joe said: 'Marion's comments always have a good balancing effect on things' Can you hear me blushing? That's the nicest thing anybody's said to me all week! LnXtraH Marion From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 10:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: RE: Re: Forum (hopefully non-inflammatory) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Marion Horrod' To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:14 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: RE: Re: Forum (hopefully non-inflammatory) > Joe said: 'Marion's comments always have a good balancing effect on things' > > Can you hear me blushing? That's the nicest thing anybody's said to me all > week! > > LnXtraH > > Marion > it is only monday though ;) Paul From: 'richter_arne' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 10:26 am Subject: Re: downloaders please report --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > i'd like to get some immediate feedback on how the downloading situation is > coming along, Well, I think the downloading, while a great idea, turned out to be a disappointment. When the option of downloading was offered, the idea was that users with high-speed connections could get the albums that way. The problem was, that a lot of people have high-speed download capabilities, but nobody has highspeed upload capabilities (yet). Dale is working on it, but as of today, the highest download speed offered by anyone is 15k. Using a download manager doesn't help much, as most servers only allow 1 user at a time. So anybody using such a manager will take away from other users the capability of even loggin on. Personally, I tried 3 servers and the highest actual speed was around 10K on the first, 6K on the second and the third I never got into in 3 days. And currently I cannot get into any server at all. Luckily, my branch leader is now supplying me with CD-R disks that should arrive in the mail shortly (Thanks, Marcel!). So I have no problem with the tree itself. I only think the online idea was a bit early for TT2. Hopefully with the next tree, Dale and maybe others will be on faster lines - and in the future it will probably be the preferred system. But for now, the good ole post office beat the online techies by far... Arne From: Armin Theissen Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 10:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories Klaus Beschorner wrote: >>>On the TDI web site, Edgar says that in 17 years of collaboration he and >>>Chris met socially only once, when Chris' wife invited Edgar and Monika >>>to their home for dinner. >>> >>I find this comment unbelieveable... Edgar appears to be trying to make >>Chris's departure look lees significant? >> > > I've met the band around their last Froese/Franke/Schmoelling > performance in Berlin in 1987, and I don't find it unbelievable. ^^^^ there was a fr/fr/schm performance in eighty-*seven* ??? surely a typo, Klaus? armin -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Greg' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 12:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bulletin Board I agree with you, it can take me upwards to 30 or 40 minutes to write messages to this list and I often disconnect from my phone line (one phone line here) when I write. It keeps the line open and takes the pressure off me so I can write something halfway comprehensible. And what about spell check? Do we want to know who the bad spellers are? I think this system also cuts down on the surplus of one liners and NTs found on bulletin boards. I like it done this way. Greg H. > Finally, please remember that there are still some of us, at least in > Europe, who have to use their phone line to access the internet, and > fewer but still some who are on a pay-per-call basis and not on flatrate > or broadband. I, for one, like the idea of downloading the e-mails from > the list and then taking my time in replying to interesting topics, without > the fear of blocking the phone line for too long and without the nuisance > of waiting for a web page to build. > > Call me a luddite all you want, but the mailing list format does have its > merits. > > Dennis From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 3:01 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] [TT2] New TT2 updates and revised SHN file list Thanks Herbert- Sorry folks; the correct URL is http://www.tadream.net/tree/downloadcalculator/disks.htm Joe -----Original Message----- From: Herbert Hi Joe, The use of URL mentioned in your mail resulted in an error. > It helped me keep track of what I was burning: > http://www.tadream.net/tree/downloadcalculator/disks Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35590 Deadly Care VHS Paul Fellows Fri 8/16/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 3:13 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report thanks Arne. I think you're right; it will get better in the future with more distributed upload capacities. If your download manager does this, try wetting it for multiple connections to multiple servers, not necessarily on the same server. If you've ever used Kazaa or Morpheus, you know it downloads from multiple disparate sources to increase each file download speed. If any download leaf or especially branch is having troubles, please let me know. It is most important that the branches are supplied immediately, so if downloading ain't cutting it, let me know and I'll get the disks to you asap. thanks, Joe -----Original Message----- From: richter_arne Subject: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report Well, I think the downloading, while a great idea, turned out to be a disappointment. When the option of downloading was offered, the idea ... So I have no problem with the tree itself. I only think the online idea was a bit early for TT2. Hopefully with the next tree, Dale and maybe others will be on faster lines - and in the future it will probably be the Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35473 Re: downloaders please report sean_w_montgomery Mon 8/12/2002 2 KB From: 'Scott' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 2:52 pm Subject: Re: Ed retiring Back in 1970, when TD was really a band, with three members with three different sets of ideas, I can see him saying he'd retire after 20 years of TD and do his own thing. But since Chris's departure, TD has been Ed's baby, so he's already doing his own thing, so why should he quit? He's doing exactly what he wants to do now, which isprobably what he intended to do by retiring. Scott NP: Grateful Dead, Buckeye Lake, 6/11/93 From: 'vic rek' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 3:29 pm Subject: Underwater Sunlight Sample I just picked up a 12' single by: Techno Brewster & D.J. Iceman On Side One there is a track titled 'Dream on Tangerine' that features a sample of the trademark sound from the Underwater Sunlight track 'Song of the Whale Part One: From Dawn'. The tracks sounds, well uh, interesting... Vic From: 'Administrator' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 3:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bulletin Board 'luddite'? I think you are doing what you have to do to get the information as you need and can use. I would not call you that. I would use that term when one has the ability to do better but choose to remain behind. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Dennis Nigbur' To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Bulletin Board > Finally, please remember that there are still some of us, at least in > Europe, who have to use their phone line to access the internet, and > fewer but still some who are on a pay-per-call basis and not on flatrate > or broadband. I, for one, like the idea of downloading the e-mails from > the list and then taking my time in replying to interesting topics, without > the fear of blocking the phone line for too long and without the nuisance > of waiting for a web page to build. > > Call me a luddite all you want, but the mailing list format does have its > merits. > > Dennis > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 3:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Bulletin Board That simple download of a digest is had to beat. You can expand that digest if you choose to, then sort it anywhich way. I am not sure a web based system 'only' will allow you this time saver / money saver. note my keyword 'ONLY'. So far we have not been told this is so. Joe and others are looking into many different items. We all know that Yahoo will be altering the way we do business one day. We are trying hard to be ready for that day. One of my new considerations to a system I am setting up now, is to be able to handle forums for future use. Something more for me to add to my ever growing list of requirements for my business web servers. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR' To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 1:30 AM Subject: [tadream] RE: Bulletin Board > Hi, > > I'd support a move to this kind of system. > > One of the main arguments against a change seems to be that some people feel > that it would be more expensive for them, as they pay per minute for access. > In my experience of similar BBs I can very quickly scan what is being talked > about in a very clear manner, decide what I want to read, and easily post > new threads that others may be interested in following. Your time online can > still be very brief. > > I believe it will be a step forwards. > > Just my 2 euros. > > Daniel > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 3:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report True, I wasn't ready yet when the disks where. The system planned is online towards the end of this month.When it is, then I move them to that system, including tree 1 as well for those who have not had the time to do so yet. Next tree, as we learn, things should smooth out even better. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'richter_arne' To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 3:26 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report > --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > > i'd like to get some immediate feedback on how the downloading > situation is > > coming along, > > Well, I think the downloading, while a great idea, turned out to be a > disappointment. When the option of downloading was offered, the idea > was that users with high-speed connections could get the albums that > way. The problem was, that a lot of people have high-speed download > capabilities, but nobody has highspeed upload capabilities (yet). > Dale is working on it, but as of today, the highest download speed > offered by anyone is 15k. Using a download manager doesn't help much, > as most servers only allow 1 user at a time. So anybody using such a > manager will take away from other users the capability of even loggin > on. > > Personally, I tried 3 servers and the highest actual speed was around > 10K on the first, 6K on the second and the third I never got into in > 3 days. And currently I cannot get into any server at all. > > Luckily, my branch leader is now supplying me with CD-R disks that > should arrive in the mail shortly (Thanks, Marcel!). So I have no > problem with the tree itself. I only think the online idea was a bit > early for TT2. Hopefully with the next tree, Dale and maybe others > will be on faster lines - and in the future it will probably be the > preferred system. But for now, the good ole post office beat the > online techies by far... > > Arne > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 3:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report One other note, one of the nice things about this new system, it has some additional hardware installed to allow me not to worry about IP address as much. So I will be passing out login and pw's. Just a bit less time and work for me. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Administrator' To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report > True, I wasn't ready yet when the disks where. The system planned is online > towards the end of this month.When it is, then I move them to that system, > including tree 1 as well for those who have not had the time to do so yet. > Next tree, as we learn, things should smooth out even better. > > dale > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'richter_arne' > To: > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 3:26 AM > Subject: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report > > > > --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > > > i'd like to get some immediate feedback on how the downloading > > situation is > > > coming along, > > > > Well, I think the downloading, while a great idea, turned out to be a > > disappointment. When the option of downloading was offered, the idea > > was that users with high-speed connections could get the albums that > > way. The problem was, that a lot of people have high-speed download > > capabilities, but nobody has highspeed upload capabilities (yet). > > Dale is working on it, but as of today, the highest download speed > > offered by anyone is 15k. Using a download manager doesn't help much, > > as most servers only allow 1 user at a time. So anybody using such a > > manager will take away from other users the capability of even loggin > > on. > > > > Personally, I tried 3 servers and the highest actual speed was around > > 10K on the first, 6K on the second and the third I never got into in > > 3 days. And currently I cannot get into any server at all. > > > > Luckily, my branch leader is now supplying me with CD-R disks that > > should arrive in the mail shortly (Thanks, Marcel!). So I have no > > problem with the tree itself. I only think the online idea was a bit > > early for TT2. Hopefully with the next tree, Dale and maybe others > > will be on faster lines - and in the future it will probably be the > > preferred system. But for now, the good ole post office beat the > > online techies by far... > > > > Arne > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35469 Re: downloaders please report Robert Asmus Mon 8/12/2002 6 KB 35470 Re: downloaders please report Robert Asmus Mon 8/12/2002 7 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 4:08 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Old Stories Klaus, If this was actually 1987, wasn't Chris already planning to leave by the time they did that concert (Livemiles pt. 2)? So maybe the 'personal distance' you noticed was a recent development, and not the way things had been in the past? James -----Original Message----- I've met the band around their last Froese/Franke/Schmoelling performance in Berlin in 1987, and I don't find it unbelievable. I have no specific information, but a friendly and respectful 'business' association between Edgar and Chris, with little extension into the private area, is consistent with what I experienced. regards klaus From: 'duncan mckee' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 4:14 pm Subject: tangerine dream video cds on ebay hi i have listed a few rare video cds on ebay, just search for my user name Duncan41 or go direct to here http://cgi6.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=duncan4\ 1&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25 i will consider trading these items for cds on my wants list Thank You. Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk www.tangerine-dream.co.uk ICQ 41739379 MSN Messenger dmckee20@h... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Michael Fox Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 4:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum At 05:12 PM 08/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Tell me how would it be easier for me to reply to an e-mail than it is now? Well Vic, you're missing all the javascript, shockwave and flash that could be used to completely muck things up. :-) Until another way has been tested and run for some time, I'd hate to see this list jump ship to the latest internet craze just because it is there. Mike From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 4:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories Someone from the magazine, 'Beyond the Horizon', I think his name is Brian Kirby (sorry if I'm wrong; I'm bad with names), can probably expand on the brouhaha that developed and was posted there regarding the bad blood between EF and CF. It had something to do with a comment that CF made about having done most of the music for TD in the past few years and EF being responsible for the business end. EF took exception to his musical contributions being slighted. 8-Dell >From: 'Chris Owen' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories >Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 19:00:49 -0700 > >Chris Franke's departure was first announced officially in a very small >piece on page 4 of the second issue of The Tangible Dream, the old fan club >newsletter. Here's what it said..... > >' 'The Change' - After a working decade of 17 years, Chris Franke decided >to >work on his solo career. He said that it's time for a 'creative break'. He >spends a lot of time composing and concentrating on hard and software >development. Chris has been replaced by Ralf Vadeful (sic?), a keyboard >wizard who also works on computer terminals and is a trained audio >engineer. >He has already co-composed one track of the forthcoming new studio album >'Optical Race' which will be released worl wide in July '88.' > >Since then, more details have emerged in interviews regarding his leaving. >Fans naturally wanted to know more about why Chris had left so suddenly. We >eventually learned that Edgar and Chris had reputedly only ever seen each >other once outside their involvment in the band, and so many fans assumed >that their relationship was strictly professional. Chris was reported as >saying he no longer felt the band's music was challenging enough, to which >Edgar replied (in a somewhat barbed comment) that Chris should be judged on >the music he has made since leaving (i.e., his soundtrack work, which Edgar >clearly doesn't think very much of!) I seem to remember Chris also saying >he >felt Edgar had agreed to do too much soundtrack work between 1983-87, and >that the work load had left Chris creatively exhausted. Extensive UK and US >tours in 1986, in addition to the regular studio LPs, didn't help either. >I don't think there was very much (if any) contact between them for many >years after Chris left, although I think I'm right in saying they have been >in touch in more recent years, if only to exchange tapes over the Atlantic >(Chris is based in LA) when collaborating on the unreleased CD for the >Dream >Roots Collection. > >If anyone can expand upon or correct any of this info, please do! > >- Chris As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 4:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: RE: Re: Forum (hopefully non-inflammatory) > > LnXtraH > > > > Marion What does this LnH mean, anyway? John Vertical (giving you an example of what kind of stuff people usually fill forums with...) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 5:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories In a message dated 8/12/2002 9:46:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, outlanda60@h... writes: > Someone from the magazine, 'Beyond the Horizon', I think his name is Brian > Kirby (sorry if I'm wrong; I'm bad with names), can probably expand on the > brouhaha that developed and was posted there regarding the bad blood > between > EF and CF. It had something to do with a comment that CF made about having > done most of the music for TD in the past few years and EF being > responsible > for the business end. EF took exception to his musical contributions being > slighted. 8-Dell > *This is a shame, but not uncommon really. The music biz is littered with these kinds of horror stories... I don't remember the exact quote, but do remember being very disappointed by a quote from Edgar that Paul Haslinger was the ONLY person he had fond memories of working with... I thought that spoke volumes about Edgar... in a not so great light when combined with the amount of revisioning I was seeing. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Jonathan Holt Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD and vocals I thought the vocals on the Shy People soundtrack were ok - relatively 'normal'. I don't know what Joliffe was smoking on Cyclone! > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 2:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bulletin Board I'm with you, Dennis! My feelings precisely. - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Nigbur To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Bulletin Board > Finally, please remember that there are still some of us, at least in > Europe, who have to use their phone line to access the internet, and > fewer but still some who are on a pay-per-call basis and not on flatrate > or broadband. I, for one, like the idea of downloading the e-mails from > the list and then taking my time in replying to interesting topics, without > the fear of blocking the phone line for too long and without the nuisance > of waiting for a web page to build. > > Call me a luddite all you want, but the mailing list format does have its > merits. > > Dennis > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 2:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories If I'm not mistaken, Chris Franke left TD the day after the 1st August 1987 concert in Berlin. - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Owens, James To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 9:08 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] Old Stories > Klaus, > > If this was actually 1987, wasn't Chris already planning to leave by the > time they did that concert (Livemiles pt. 2)? > So maybe the 'personal distance' you noticed was a recent development, and > not the way things had been in the past? > > James > > -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 2:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories I also remember Edgar commenting favourably about Paul Haslinger, though I'm sure he was very complimentary about Johannes too. In fact, the very omission of Chris Franke's name from the list of ex-TD members who Edgar had enjoyed working with speaks volumes. - Chris NP - Depeche Mode 'Exciter' > *This is a shame, but not uncommon really. The music biz is littered with > these > kinds of horror stories... I don't remember the exact quote, but do remember > being > very disappointed by a quote from Edgar that Paul Haslinger was the ONLY > person he had fond memories of working with... I thought that spoke volumes > about Edgar... > in a not so great light when combined with the amount of revisioning I was > seeing. > > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 6:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories What is Chris Franke's full name? dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Chris Owen' To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories > I also remember Edgar commenting favourably about Paul Haslinger, though I'm > sure he was very complimentary about Johannes too. In fact, the very > omission of Chris Franke's name from the list of ex-TD members who Edgar had > enjoyed working with speaks volumes. > > - Chris > > NP - Depeche Mode 'Exciter' > > > *This is a shame, but not uncommon really. The music biz is littered with > > these > > kinds of horror stories... I don't remember the exact quote, but do > remember > > being > > very disappointed by a quote from Edgar that Paul Haslinger was the ONLY > > person he had fond memories of working with... I thought that spoke > volumes > > about Edgar... > > in a not so great light when combined with the amount of revisioning I was > > seeing. > > > > Poly > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'convention24' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 7:42 pm Subject: The Best Of Tangerine Dream CD on ebay Buy it Now for $111.11. Now thats what i call inflatory prices. From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 7:43 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report In an effort to try and help the people that are downloading from my server I have cut my regular clients down to 1 KB/s to try and speed up my connection Robert Asmus Email: Asmus0324@c... Home Page:http://members.cox.net/asmus0324/ -----Original Message----- From: Administrator [mailto:admin@k...] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:57 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report One other note, one of the nice things about this new system, it has some additional hardware installed to allow me not to worry about IP address as much. So I will be passing out login and pw's. Just a bit less time and work for me. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Administrator' To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report > True, I wasn't ready yet when the disks where. The system planned is online > towards the end of this month.When it is, then I move them to that system, > including tree 1 as well for those who have not had the time to do so yet. > Next tree, as we learn, things should smooth out even better. > > dale > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'richter_arne' > To: > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 3:26 AM > Subject: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report > > > > --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > > > i'd like to get some immediate feedback on how the downloading > > situation is > > > coming along, > > > > Well, I think the downloading, while a great idea, turned out to be a > > disappointment. When the option of downloading was offered, the idea > > was that users with high-speed connections could get the albums that > > way. The problem was, that a lot of people have high-speed download > > capabilities, but nobody has highspeed upload capabilities (yet). > > Dale is working on it, but as of today, the highest download speed > > offered by anyone is 15k. Using a download manager doesn't help much, > > as most servers only allow 1 user at a time. So anybody using such a > > manager will take away from other users the capability of even loggin > > on. > > > > Personally, I tried 3 servers and the highest actual speed was around > > 10K on the first, 6K on the second and the third I never got into in > > 3 days. And currently I cannot get into any server at all. > > > > Luckily, my branch leader is now supplying me with CD-R disks that > > should arrive in the mail shortly (Thanks, Marcel!). So I have no > > problem with the tree itself. I only think the online idea was a bit > > early for TT2. Hopefully with the next tree, Dale and maybe others > > will be on faster lines - and in the future it will probably be the > > preferred system. But for now, the good ole post office beat the > > online techies by far... > > > > Arne > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35470 Re: downloaders please report Robert Asmus Mon 8/12/2002 7 KB From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 7:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report In another note, I have had isp problems and that will be resolved on 8/13/02. Seems I either have a bad modem or my lines are bad. Or both I have been battling with Cox (Cocks) for several months over this and they state that this will be resolved on their visit tomorrow. Sorry for the inconvience. Robert Asmus Email: Asmus0324@c... Home Page:http://members.cox.net/asmus0324/ -----Original Message----- From: Robert Asmus [mailto:asmus0324@c...] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 3:44 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report In an effort to try and help the people that are downloading from my server I have cut my regular clients down to 1 KB/s to try and speed up my connection Robert Asmus Email: Asmus0324@c... Home Page:http://members.cox.net/asmus0324/ -----Original Message----- From: Administrator [mailto:admin@k...] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:57 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report One other note, one of the nice things about this new system, it has some additional hardware installed to allow me not to worry about IP address as much. So I will be passing out login and pw's. Just a bit less time and work for me. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Administrator' To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report > True, I wasn't ready yet when the disks where. The system planned is online > towards the end of this month.When it is, then I move them to that system, > including tree 1 as well for those who have not had the time to do so yet. > Next tree, as we learn, things should smooth out even better. > > dale > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'richter_arne' > To: > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 3:26 AM > Subject: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report > > > > --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > > > i'd like to get some immediate feedback on how the downloading > > situation is > > > coming along, > > > > Well, I think the downloading, while a great idea, turned out to be a > > disappointment. When the option of downloading was offered, the idea > > was that users with high-speed connections could get the albums that > > way. The problem was, that a lot of people have high-speed download > > capabilities, but nobody has highspeed upload capabilities (yet). > > Dale is working on it, but as of today, the highest download speed > > offered by anyone is 15k. Using a download manager doesn't help much, > > as most servers only allow 1 user at a time. So anybody using such a > > manager will take away from other users the capability of even loggin > > on. > > > > Personally, I tried 3 servers and the highest actual speed was around > > 10K on the first, 6K on the second and the third I never got into in > > 3 days. And currently I cannot get into any server at all. > > > > Luckily, my branch leader is now supplying me with CD-R disks that > > should arrive in the mail shortly (Thanks, Marcel!). So I have no > > problem with the tree itself. I only think the online idea was a bit > > early for TT2. Hopefully with the next tree, Dale and maybe others > > will be on faster lines - and in the future it will probably be the > > preferred system. But for now, the good ole post office beat the > > online techies by far... > > > > Arne > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 4:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories I think Christoph Franke is the correct spelling, though maybe one of our German friends on the list be able to educate us on the correct extension of the name Chris in their country. Guys? - Chris NP - What A Blast ----- Original Message ----- From: Administrator To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories > What is Chris Franke's full name? > > dale > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Chris Owen' > To: > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:18 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories > > > > I also remember Edgar commenting favourably about Paul Haslinger, though > I'm > > sure he was very complimentary about Johannes too. In fact, the very > > omission of Chris Franke's name from the list of ex-TD members who Edgar > had > > enjoyed working with speaks volumes. > > > > - Chris > > > > NP - Depeche Mode 'Exciter' > > > > > *This is a shame, but not uncommon really. The music biz is littered > with > > > these > > > kinds of horror stories... I don't remember the exact quote, but do > > remember > > > being > > > very disappointed by a quote from Edgar that Paul Haslinger was the ONLY > > > person he had fond memories of working with... I thought that spoke > > volumes > > > about Edgar... > > > in a not so great light when combined with the amount of revisioning I > was > > > seeing. > > > > > > Poly > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 10:16 pm Subject: Christoph Franke It is Christoph on most of the old interviews and album covers. The first I heard him called 'Christopher' was on the Risky Business promo spots. Announcer: 'How would you describe this music?' *an excerpt from 'The Dream is Always the Same'* CF: 'We call it electronic music or spherical music...' Announcer: 'He should know. He's Christopher Franke...' Perhaps he goes by 'Christopher' now because that's how he was remembered for his contribution to the most well-known TD soundtrack. (Especially since he's primarily in the soundtrack business.) James > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Owen [mailto:chris@o...] > > I think Christoph Franke is the correct spelling, > ----- Original Message ----- > > What is Chris Franke's full name? > > > > dale Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35487 Re: Christoph Franke Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Med Tue 8/13/2002 2 KB From: 'sean_w_montgomery' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 10:26 pm Subject: Re: downloaders please report I'm being a download slut...I'm grabbing from every server I can break into. And this afternoon, I was delighted to find I could get very swfit speeds (500 kbs+) from Georg Oppenberg. Thank you Georg! I went staight for the early 80s shows, and was not disappointed. At last, I have a great sounding version of Silver Scale - as originally performed! This is some great stuff....kudos to everyone involved. -Sean From: Deb H-J Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 10:39 pm Subject: Bulletin Board Klaus: << At the moment, I still like the mailing list approach better, for practical reasons and because I get to see all posts - even if I chose to ignore most of them. >> As a relatively new TD fan (compared to some of you Old Phart Types out there :o}), I like getting reading all the posts in digest fashion because it lets me absorb a lot of information with doable effort. I admit I sort of scan through most of the messages, but I'm always on the lookout for little tidbits that will prove useful. When I was at Okefenokee, it wasn't the names so much as my impressions about people from reading the list that allowed me to open up and get to know everyone. I sort of agree that the BB idea should exist side by side with the Yahoo list as it is now. Just my $2 worth, Deb H-J dhj4@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From: Dan Downey Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 10:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Legal Live Tape trading network I ran into Further Net a few weeks ago and have downloaded some very nice shows from it (Flaming Lips, Modest Mouse, etc.) The nice thing about it is that they list the bands that are being hosted by members and you can get good details on the shows. Amazingly they differentiate SHN vs MP3. I've only downloaded SHN and they've been great. On the downside, all I can say is that the band listing is slim with very little EM, in fact Tortoise and Songs Ohia are the closest to EM that I've seen. It's a real hit or miss as to what is actually available to download, there have been a couple of listings where nothing comes up when you search the artist, I'm not sure if this is because nobody hosting in on line or not. Once you initiate a download you'll find that the server connections come and go with a lot of frequency but it does remember where it left off. I've found it takes an average of 3-4 days to get a big fat SHN (700MB) I'm on the SHN branch of the TDTree so have them all but I have not made them available, at some point I was going to address this with the list but don't know who could give approval to it. I've liked what I've received so far from this service and would like it to grow. --- John Vertical wrote: > >Hi guys, > > > >check this out, there's a filesharing network to > trade live > >concerts, but only from bands who've officially > allowed this: > > > >http://furthurnet.com > > > Hmm, could this be used as a way to DOWN some > further TTrees? > just a thought... > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.ambientissue.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 11:04 pm Subject: TT2 SHNs >From: Dan Downey >Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 5:45 pm >Subject: Re: [tadream] Legal Live Tape trading network >I'm on the SHN branch of the TDTree so have them all >but I have not made them available, at some point I >was going to address this with the list but don't know >who could give approval to it. > >I've liked what I've received so far from this service >and would like it to grow. Well, FurtherNet would first require a greenlight from Virgin AND Tangerine Dream. I'm not holding my breath. If you have the Tree as SHNs and would like to offer some of your bandwidth to people downloading, your best bet is to download Serv-U FTP and talk to Joe about how to get listed so people can download from you. I can help you get the FTP configured if you wish. -Morgan *************************************************************** Looking for a friendly place to chat in real-time about Tangerine Dream? You're encouraged to drop by the Tangerine Dream Chat on Fridays and Saturdays. Usually, we get quite a few visitors from the UK, Europe, and Asia on Friday (evening to them, afternoon in US time) and then have been known to find quite a few visitors (as many as 8-10) from the US 9pm to midnight Central US time on Friday and Saturday. Download the chat client here: http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe It's already set up to connect to the chat (it takes about 30-40 seconds) and should drop you right into the #tadream chatroom. This list is not run by the tadream mailing list, forum, etc. there's no politics, etc.. Things are typically very relaxed and pleasant!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35486 Re: TT2 SHNs Gustavo Jobim Tue 8/13/2002 2 KB From: 'mikebrowder' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 11:31 pm Subject: TT2: please help I contacted the person I was supposed to get my discs from (I am a leaf), but he didn't seem to know what I was talking about, and I haven't heard from him since. Could whoever is in charge of the tree structure please contact me (at spawnofcthulhu@w...). Thanks, mike From: Marion Horrod Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 7:29 am Subject: TTree2 Got my disks yesterday, and am listening to Paris Bataclan (1981/02/02) right now. What a way to start the day! The quality is astounding, to say nothing of the content. Many thanks to everybody involved, Heiko, the back room boys, the cover artists, and not forgetting the branches who turned it around so fast. (Also the band, for making the music in the first place, of course!) LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35479 Re: TTree2 Heiko Heerssen Tue 8/13/2002 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 7:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TTree2 > Got my disks yesterday, and am listening to Paris Bataclan (1981/02/02) > right now. What a way to start the day! The quality is astounding, to say > nothing of the content. Paris Bataclan is indeed a fantastic concert...Sequencer mania! > Many thanks to everybody involved, Heiko, the back room boys, 'Heiko & the back room boys'..sounds like a German Schmaltz group of the 50s ~LOL~ > (Also the band, for making the music in the first place, of course!) Of course!..& merci beaucoup to the person who taped the show in Paris, this is surely one of the best sounding TD audience recordings ever. Heiko From: Marion Horrod Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 7:58 am Subject: RE: Re: downloaders please report 'try wetting it for multiple connections' Yup, should get multiple connections that way all right! (We physicists know these things, you know.) LnH Marion From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 8:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories 'Christoph' is correct german spelling. armin Chris Owen wrote: > I think Christoph Franke is the correct spelling, though maybe one of our > German friends on the list be able to educate us on the correct extension of > the name Chris in their country. Guys? > > - Chris > > NP - What A Blast > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Administrator > To: > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:29 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories > > > >>What is Chris Franke's full name? >> >>dale >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: 'Chris Owen' >>To: >>Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:18 PM >>Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories >> >> >> >>>I also remember Edgar commenting favourably about Paul Haslinger, though >>> >>I'm >> >>>sure he was very complimentary about Johannes too. In fact, the very >>>omission of Chris Franke's name from the list of ex-TD members who Edgar >>> >>had >> >>>enjoyed working with speaks volumes. >>> >>>- Chris >>> >>>NP - Depeche Mode 'Exciter' >>> >>> >>>>*This is a shame, but not uncommon really. The music biz is littered >>>> >>with >> >>>>these >>>>kinds of horror stories... I don't remember the exact quote, but do >>>> >>>remember >>> >>>>being >>>>very disappointed by a quote from Edgar that Paul Haslinger was the >>>> > ONLY > >>>>person he had fond memories of working with... I thought that spoke >>>> >>>volumes >>> >>>>about Edgar... >>>>in a not so great light when combined with the amount of revisioning I >>>> >>was >> >>>>seeing. >>>> >>>>Poly >>>> >>>> >>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>> >>>> >>>>----------------------------------------------------_- >>>>To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>>>----------------------------------------------------_- >>>>Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >>>>http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ >>>> >>>>Tangerine Tree info at >>>>http://www.tadream.net/tree >>>> >>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >>>> >>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>----------------------------------------------------_- >>>To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>>----------------------------------------------------_- >>>Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >>>http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ >>> >>>Tangerine Tree info at >>>http://www.tadream.net/tree >>> >>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >>> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >>> >>> >> >>----------------------------------------------------_- >>To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>----------------------------------------------------_- >>Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >>http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ >> >>Tangerine Tree info at >>http://www.tadream.net/tree >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> >> > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35483 Re: Old Stories Dennis Nigbur Tue 8/13/2002 6 KB From: Marko Marin Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 9:07 am Subject: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board This current situation is the best IMO, but I don't actually care if this place would move into a message board. So I guess I'm neutral in this subject. Only problem about message board is that the subjects aren't necessarily so restricted as they are in here. But there could be some secondary forums as in www.b5tv.com. There's different forums for off topic, B5, Crusade, etc. Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 9:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories Does anyone know whether Chris Franke's official name is 'Christoph' or 'Christopher', though? Both are acceptable in German, and both have been thrown around in musical contexts. Dennis On 13 Aug 2002 at 9:52, Armin Theissen wrote: > 'Christoph' is correct german spelling. > > armin > > Chris Owen wrote: > > > I think Christoph Franke is the correct spelling, though maybe one > > of our German friends on the list be able to educate us on the > > correct extension of the name Chris in their country. Guys? > > > > - Chris > > > > NP - What A Blast > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Administrator > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:29 AM > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories > > > > > > > >>What is Chris Franke's full name? > >> > >>dale > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: 'Chris Owen' > >>To: > >>Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:18 PM > >>Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories > >> > >> > >> > >>>I also remember Edgar commenting favourably about Paul Haslinger, > >>>though > >>> > >>I'm > >> > >>>sure he was very complimentary about Johannes too. In fact, the > >>>very omission of Chris Franke's name from the list of ex-TD members > >>>who Edgar > >>> > >>had > >> > >>>enjoyed working with speaks volumes. > >>> > >>>- Chris > >>> > >>>NP - Depeche Mode 'Exciter' > >>> > >>> > >>>>*This is a shame, but not uncommon really. The music biz is > >>>>littered > >>>> > >>with > >> > >>>>these > >>>>kinds of horror stories... I don't remember the exact quote, but > >>>>do > >>>> > >>>remember > >>> > >>>>being > >>>>very disappointed by a quote from Edgar that Paul Haslinger was > >>>>the > >>>> > > ONLY > > > >>>>person he had fond memories of working with... I thought that > >>>>spoke > >>>> > >>>volumes > >>> > >>>>about Edgar... > >>>>in a not so great light when combined with the amount of > >>>>revisioning I > >>>> > >>was > >> > >>>>seeing. > >>>> > >>>>Poly > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>----------------------------------------------------_- > >>>>To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >>>>----------------------------------------------------_- > >>>>Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > >>>>http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >>>> > >>>>Tangerine Tree info at > >>>>http://www.tadream.net/tree > >>>> > >>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > >>>> > >>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>----------------------------------------------------_- > >>>To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >>>----------------------------------------------------_- > >>>Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > >>>http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >>> > >>>Tangerine Tree info at > >>>http://www.tadream.net/tree > >>> > >>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > >>> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >>> > >>> > >> > >>----------------------------------------------------_- > >>To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >>----------------------------------------------------_- > >>Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > >>http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >> > >>Tangerine Tree info at > >>http://www.tadream.net/tree > >> > >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > >>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN > Microsystems Ireland > > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' > - Woody Allen > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 9:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories From: 'Dennis Nigbur' > Does anyone know whether Chris Franke's official name is 'Christoph' > or 'Christopher', though? Both are acceptable in German, and both > have been thrown around in musical contexts. It's Christoph, but he uses 'Christopher' as it's a more common name in America (hence his credit on stuff like B5). Maff _________________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.tangent.da.ru www.mst3uk.com From: 'Georg Oppenberg' Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 10:53 am Subject: RE: Re: downloaders please report You (and nine others at the same time) are welcome! This server is directly (100 Mbit/s) at the biggest backbone of the world. I think it can saturate everybodies DSL line. Have fun! Georg > I'm being a download slut...I'm grabbing from every server I can break > into. And this afternoon, I was delighted to find I could get very > swfit speeds (500 kbs+) from Georg Oppenberg. Thank you Georg! I > went staight for the early 80s shows, and was not disappointed. At > last, I have a great sounding version of Silver Scale - as originally > performed! This is some great stuff....kudos to everyone involved. > > -Sean > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 6:03 pm Subject: Re: TT2 SHNs > Looking for a friendly place to chat in real-time about Tangerine Dream? > Usually, we get quite a few visitors from the UK, Europe, and Asia on Friday... ...and me from the Wild Far South. always with a good nowplaying. (even if it's just the ceiling fan.) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 11:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Christoph Franke I read an explanation from Franke that they started calling him (or he started calling himself possibly) Christopher Franke when they started working extensively outside Germany, to make it easier to say his name. Apparently Christoph Franke with two F's meeting would sound 'Christo Franke' or 'Christof Ranke' which wouldnt be entirely correct. Glenn From: Mark Filipak Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 4:01 pm Subject: Green Desert & missing Peter (was: [tadream] Creativity is not a limited thing) Hi Chris and everyone interested in Green Desert! ________________________________________________________________________ Green Desert 1973 [Aug 73] - EF+CF 1 Green Desert [19:25] 3 Astral Voyager [7:03] 2 White Clouds [5:01] 4 Indian Summer [6:53] _______ __/ Notes \___________________________________________________________ As of 2002, these original mixes have never been released. Also see: Green Desert 1984. 'Peter Meisel, with whom we were before court, bought this monster [a Moog synthesizer] from the [Rolling] Stones' management. A heap of cables and scrap iron. No-one knew how to use the thing. But Chris had a soft spot for it. When the first sounds emerged, we went crazy. Meisel said: 'Can we produce hits with this thing?' and we said: 'No, you sell it to us'. Thus we got hold of our first Moog'. - EF ('Rolling Stone' magazine, 1996). 'When we bought this first synth, we first of all had to learn how to decode the technical terms, there was no translation/instruction manual, nothing at all' - EF (in 'Musik Express' magazine). 'In 1973 Peter Baumann left the group for a short time. Edgar and Christopher went into the Berlin Skyline studio with new material. However the results of this work didn't appear until 1986 on the album 'Green Desert'.' - Stephan Schelle ('Rock News' magazine, Dec, 2000). ________________________________________________________________________ I wonder what Peter thought when he got back. TD was almost a different band. Where was Peter anyway? Anyone know why he left the band, and for how long. Hmm.... let's see. Was Peter in the show in Lyon in July 3rd.? Klaus stood in for him during the three shows in August (Paris on the 23rd, La Rochelle on the 24th, and Roanne on the 25th), right? Was Peter back for the show in Berlin on the 29th of November? Ciao -- Mark From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 4:14 pm Subject: Re: Green Desert & missing Peter (was: [tadream] Creativity is not a limited thing) Mark Filipak wrote: > > Where was Peter anyway? Anyone know why he left the band, and for how > long. Hmm.... let's see. I think he went to Nepal and/or Tibet > > Was Peter in the show in Lyon in July 3rd.? > > Klaus stood in for him during the three shows in August (Paris on the > 23rd, La Rochelle on the 24th, and Roanne on the 25th), right? Klaus Schulze? Not Michael Hoenig? > > Was Peter back for the show in Berlin on the 29th of November? > > Ciao -- Mark > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35490 Re: Green Desert & missing Peter (was: [tadream] Mark Filipak Tue 8/13/2002 3 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 4:23 pm Subject: Re: Green Desert & missing Peter (was: [tadream] Creativity is not a limited thing) Hi Armin! Armin Theissen, a TD die-hard who goes waaaayyyy back, wrote: > > Mark Filipak wrote: > > > Where was Peter anyway? Anyone know why he left the band, and for how > > long. Hmm.... let's see. > > I think he went to Nepal and/or Tibet > > > Was Peter in the show in Lyon in July 3rd.? > > > > Klaus stood in for him during the three shows in August (Paris on the > > 23rd, La Rochelle on the 24th, and Roanne on the 25th), right? > > Klaus Schulze? Not Michael Hoenig? > > > Was Peter back for the show in Berlin on the 29th of November? You're confused, Armin -- understandable. You're thinking of March, 1975, when Peter went to Lhasa to study Zen meditation and Michael Hoenig filled in for the Australasian Tour. I'm referring to August, 1973. Peter was gone and Chris and Ed recorded some stuff that eventually became 'Green Desert'. Peter still wasn't back for three shows in France at the end of August and I think KS filled in for him. I think that the show at L'Arc en Ciel in Roanne on the 25th of August was the very last time KS appeared with TD. All help with these details will be gratefully appreciated. Ciao -- Mark From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 4:27 pm Subject: KS/TD 73 Now if someone discovers tapes of some of these shows... James > -----Original Message----- > Peter still wasn't back > for three shows in France at the end of August and I think KS > filled in > for him. I think that the show at L'Arc en Ciel in Roanne on > the 25th of > August was the very last time KS appeared with TD. > > Ciao -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35492 Re: KS/TD 73 Mark Filipak Tue 8/13/2002 2 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 4:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] KS/TD 73 'Owens, James' wrote: > > Now if someone discovers tapes of some of these shows... Indeed! I would love to hear what Klaus did. He had just finished 'Cyborg'. I wonder how much of that got into the three French shows. Since everything was improvised, I can imagine that Klaus improvised on his latest works while Ed and Chris did their things. It must have been wild. Ciao -- Mark From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 4:58 pm Subject: reading backwards mailing list moves....fully beta tested been outta town and am now reading the digests in reverse order..... a couple ???? and comments: >If the current mailing list has to move (I believe yahoo isn't a non-profit organisation),< why does that matter? even nonprofits buy pencils from for-profit companies.... what does 'fully beta tested' mean? when is the beta testing abandoned and the product rolled out regardless? ;) --T _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: Marion Horrod Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 5:40 pm Subject: Re: TD and Vocals Jonathan said 'I don't know what Joliffe was smoking on Cyclone!' Nor do I, but it was obviously harsh on the throat! LnH Marion From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 5:45 pm Subject: several topics I'm on a business trip, so here's in a nutshell Froese/Franke/Schmoelling in 87 was a typo I've told you what I _know_ about the relation of Chris and Edgar. Everybody may speculate at will, I will not. Chris himself said that he added the 'er' because especially americans stumbled a bit pronouncing the two consecutive 'f' sounds in Christoph Franke, which is his real name. Furthurnet permission: I gave the BTAT link. He who takes the trouble to read the rules there will know whom we'd have to ask for what. TTree downloads: why don't we just feed the stuff into edonkey or gnutella? Give it a totally obscure filename and description, post the link here, and everybody can down/upload from everybody else.... What subject line should I post this under in a forum ;-) cheers, klaus From: Marion Horrod Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 5:48 pm Subject: Heiko's new band (another one that's drifted off thread) I'm not doing this on purpose, honest, but how will this work on a BB? Will starting a new topic start a new thread? And will it refer back somehow to the originating thread? I'm not being confrontational, I honestly want to know. Or maybe I should just wait and see. Anyway... Heiko said ''Heiko & the back room boys'..sounds like a German Schmaltz group of the 50s. Sounds more like an techno band to me - maybe you should start it! LnH Marion From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 6:33 pm Subject: TT2 Downloads >Klaus Beschorner said: > >TTree downloads: why don't we just feed the stuff into >edonkey or gnutella? Give it a totally obscure filename and >description, post the link here, and everybody can >down/upload from everybody else.... eDonkey and Gnutella in and of themselves are not servers. They are only conduits to people who have bandwidth available to share TT2. Well, the people who have bandwidth available already are sharing TT2. 9 people so far. For those who feel the task of setting up an FTP might be daunting, then yes, one of the freebie P2P programs you mention would then make sense. -Morgan From: 'Scott' Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 8:39 pm Subject: Re: Legal tape trading network Two site you might want to try out: www.phishhook.com has a searchable database. You can search by band and by date. They have a fair amount of TD, but I've not looked for anything else EM. They're heavy on jam bands. www.etree.org again is heavy on the jam bands but offers links to shn downloads. These two are probably the premier sites on the net, since they have the most members. I'm on Phishhook, but not etree. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35533 Legal tape trading network Klaus Beschorner Wed 8/14/2002 2 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 6:19 am Subject: TT2 FTP All those who are set up to FTP into one of my systems, ATT seems to have a router problem somewhere. They (ATT) are working on it. Several IP's routed to it as a link are not passing thru. It is possible for you to get cut off, not find it etc. A good example on my end is I can not touch anything to the University Of Phoenix, email, web, newsgroup etc. That is one confirmed route that is dead. I can get to MTV. Just note this, if you are having problems getting in. Some might not have a problem at all. A side request, any who still want to ftp from me, send me a note. I want to clear out address I have locked in during this down time. I want to verify what I have listed and remove any extra. Also any who I might have missed. Dale From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 7:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TTree2 (extensive review!) Well, I've had my disks since Friday, listened each through at least once, and here's my lenghty review: Volume 9, London 75 Quite a bit like Phaedra or Rubycon. The sequencing builds slowly but steadily, increasing until it must start the way back down. The intros & outros are long and atmospheric. The mood is relaxing yet mysterious. Vibrating sound layers, dark melloron choral passages, wind whooshes, occasional lighter flute segments, organ, and other slow, smooth Zeit-like voices (though not as dark) form the core of this concert. The sequences are mainly bass, though eventually percussion lines join too (as in Rubycon pt1). Only the first, longer sequenced section of part 1 has anything that could be called a theme... the rest is just random humming, like when you're bored. Indeed, this is great to listen to when you can't concentrate on about anything. You can play it either on the background or simply sink into it... Both main sets begin with ~20 minutes of ambience. In the first set the sequence ends after another 20 minutes to give way for a quarter of an hour of more (slightly boring) humming. At 54 minutes, things get interesting again, quickly leading to another, shorter sequence section. The 2nd set has only about 15 minutes of sequencing, and ends with a nice flute theme (for a non-Baumann concert). The encore begins with roaring wind and starts a sequence pretty soon (about 2 minutes in). The final outro is even shorter. The tree version is wayyy better than my old copy of the concert! Especially the sequences in parts 2 & 3 has been boosted up big time. Cheers to 3N and the source tape sources! (and of course everyone else involved too, but especially them...) Volume 10, Newcastle 81 This volume sounds basically very mechanic, sometimes even clinically cold. The beginning of the loooooong version of Logos pt. 1 surprized me - it's the same drum sequence as in the beginning of Poland! The rest is just boring. Too slow for a 80s piece. I don't like Edinburgh Castle very much (save for the intro perhaps), it sounds too tangentized, but Sobornost is not cool either. It lacks something, but I don't know what. Perhaps it's just about the mix? The Digital Times suite doesn't sound unremarkable either. It's dividable to 3 main sections, the first one being rather short. No real details, just random howls and metallic voices. There are some slightly catchy themes though; I'll probably learn this better in the future. But there's no real emotionality here! Big flaw. Bondy Parade was the highlight of disk 1. It has lots of nice, ie. friendly, not vile, keyboard and guitar work. I haven't heard the Sohoman version, but I can imagine what it probably is like, given the TDI excerpts of the Logos and WE pieces and the fact that the guitarline is removed. Disk 2 starts with an early version of Mojave Plan; some melodies are missing from the beginning, which is compensated with extended sequences with some small toppings. The part with the bright keyboard line (circa 7 minues in the album version) sounds better here though. The 2nd section is pretty similar to the released version; in the 3rd section the intro flute is absent, but there's lots of noodling near the end. Thermal Inversion starts with the end of Calymba Caly, ie. a rather energic and catchy sequence pile - one of them is actually a keyboard line, a lá Midnight in Tula & the outro of Coldwater Canyon. The melodies follow along similar lines, being among the catchiest of TDs 80s output. This section is a definite favourite of mine! I have an 82 version of this too; it's similar in terms of content, but the mix is better. This morphs to a rattling percussion bridge, with a few monotonic howls as toppings this time. Then comes a downright annoyingly bright sequence. (Imagine the Cherokee Lane sequence sticked to Phaedra, and you understand what I mean.) This time there's actually a main melody too, but it has the same problem as the characterizing melody: it's nervous and ear-splicingly sharp. Finally, these high-pitched pests drop off; then one drumline starts rapidly accelerating and eventually morphs into coloured noice where the whole structure dissolves. Some shrieks try to fight back, but eventually the track crossfades onwards. Next comes the intro from Remote Viewing, and then 4 minutes of Force Majeure (near the end, but not the final section) in a slightly condensed form. The 2nd main set ends with a track named The Price, which remotely resembles the ending of Logos. It's not the same though, there's several different aspects. Hard to describe exactly what, but it feels somewhat crispier. For the encores, Kiew Mission is nice but not remarkable; I still prefer the album version. Choronzon is much longer than the released version; the extra length generally comes from sequence repetition. There're some non-released sequences and themes, but not many. Volume 11, Hamburg 78 I don't have much to comment on this. Part 1 begins and ends with a short piano section, and the main sequences are like a crossbreed of Madrigal Meridian and the typical 70s bass sequence sections. Steve Jollife shouts something here and there, the general toppings are nice but not great, at least considering the melodic value. There are several (apparently?) acoustic instruments. In-between and during fadeins/-outs there's several weird voices. Drumming is typical Cyclone stuff. I'd play this on background, but it's not as hypnotic as F/F/B era material. Part 2 is more enjoyable since it's shorter and more energetic. Volume 12, Croydon 82 OK, lots of already released stuff here... The beginning is as on Logos, but the ambient section just goes on for a few more minutes; then we launch into Heritage Survival, a great piece indeed. A Logos-ish drumline enters first, then a few gentle sequences, and then the energetic main theme (which sounds slightly similar to the 1st climax of Tangram?). Verse-chorus-verse pattern is apparent. This is a very jolly piece, though towards the end there seems to be some technical difficulties; the mix starts sorts of trembling. After the fadeout comes a long bridge of dark hum overlaid with wispy voices and repetitive rattling, entitled 'Mirage'. The highlight of the next piece, Sign In The Dark, is a galloping bass sequence. The frosting is some ordinary melodies and other sounds. A short bridge, and here comes the slow drumming of Night In Romania. Peaceful keyboard layers weave around. These 2 tracks don't have much progression, thus it's no wonder they ended up as soundtrack pieces. Dreamscape is basically a varying sequence line with a few overlaid voices; no real progression here either. Some sound effects have conquered the last third of this piece. The version of Choronzon as played here is the worst of the 4 I have. This tries to compromize between the original live version and the album version too much... Disk 1's last piece is anachronically the first section of Tangent; it ends quite sudd Disk 2 starts with the first section of Mojave Plan. The skyish section has been replaced with something different this time, too. After the fadeout comes something that sounds like Horizon at first (for perhaps 30 seconds or so) and then goes on with the rest of Logos. Two things stand out: 1) there's an annoyingly cheesy harpsichord line during the first sequenced part 2) the second-to-last section's keyboard lines are completely different, much better than what's released. The rest (including the encores) is about exactly what has been released. And I like the album versions better... Volume 13, Mannheim & Saarbrücken 76 This volume was a slight disappointment, since Mannheim has too many watered-down themes from TT1 and TT8... but there are positive sides too. Most on Saarbrücken. Mannheim part 1 is slow with plenty of mellotron, several TT8 themes abound. The sequence is interesting at first and at the end, but in the between it's the same olé over and over again. The end portion is slightly more original, but not among my favourites so far. Mh. part 2 has themes from mainly TT1:2, in different, slightly meeker forms. The last 8 or so minutes (after the guitarsolo ends) are finally great, however! Rapid sequencing, odd voices dashing about, one of the best Betrayal live appearences, a great final... Mh. part 3 features at the beginning the same keyboard solo as in TT1:3, but its slower and more sober here. The piece starts in an overall trudging mood, gaining slowly more energy but still being somewhat pessimistic. Afterwards there's more themes from TT1:2 (the Cherokee Lane one) and some new ones. Not many, though; it's mainly sequencing, the keyboards stay pretty much where they are. Part 4 starts off where Part 3 left off (are they originally the same piece?), replaying TT8 themes eventually on top of a very basic sequence. There's an original guitar solo here too, but it doesn't quite reach into success. A little piano solo ends this concert. Saarbrücken does not recycle themes, but doesn't create many new ones either. It has other merits though... In part 1, initial creepy buzzing fades quickly into fluttering flute and other less dark but eventually still somewhat sinister, clearly improvised melodies. This morphs to a panic-ish choral with more buzzing, and back to flute again. More evil noises emerge for a while, after which the piece relaxes back again. A fourth such pair of more and less dark sections is in too. Finally, after about 2/3 of the piece is behind, a rattling sequence comes forward, soon bringing a bass buddy too. The mood stays oppressive to the very end, which consticts of some twinkling bright sound effects. Part 2 starts a sequence very quickly. The voices are crude, rockish. This resembles Coldwater Canyon pretty much! No guitar for the first 7 minutes, but after that Edgar starts a solo that indeed has some Coldwater Canyon elements. Ferocious wind effects keep the intensity high. The sequence here never undergoes 'flattenization' as in CC; it instead gets rather percussive in an 80s style when nearing the midpoint. Large howls rove the soundscape, and the drumming drops gradually off. Voices from the darkest jungle merge seamlessly into industrial metallic clangs, providing a very surreal feeling... Sound effects crossfire on an organ/choir base keeps going, displaying about every one of the common ones played during the 70s live concerts; as a speciality, some resemble even the outro of Quichotte Part 1! A hoarsly throbbing pulse starts, but fades away after only a few minutes. The peaceful chords from the outros of Mannheim part 1 and Nottingham part 2 try to settle the things down, but no, there's still 3 minutes left to listen to! Windbursts, gluey ripple, more metallic noice... and finally only a very quiet slow drumbeat, as in Atem or Fauni-Gena. 'it's over.' [in the same voice tone as in horror movies] Volume 14, Paris 81 This is one of the best concerts of this batch... Undulation begins with lots of different voices, from metallic to watery. Two minutes of this intro, then comes a rapidly tictactoctictactocking semi-drumline. The incessant crossarpeggiating feels sort of strainedly alert...After it's over we descend keyboard stairs into the next piece. The Electro Part of Calymba Caly is a very ingenious track! The Speed sequence is the basis; lone chords pop up like toast, percussion bursts in life occasionally and some sort of sax-like melody circles above like a hawk watching over all this. Midway through, a mid-frequency version of the bassline joins, while more and more attention goes towards the ever-growingly perplexing high-pitched melody. A definite shiverer! The Ancient Part emerges rather suddendly. The sounds of the previous one just turn into the ones here. The bass slows down and starts weaving complex patterns, the keyboards just wave back and forth lazily. Sadly, the brilliant wistful bell theme that's apparent in the Antique Dreams version is not to be found here; instead the bright, flute-like melody line has much more variety and lenght. Suddendly, some frictionish chords end this section, leading into Thermal Inversion. There's one main difference from the Newcastle version, and that's that the first section is much tamer. The released version is this same one. After the buzzing fades out, there's an e-piano solo - played in a quirky tone of steely echoes at first, but after the introductory clangs it sounds rather normal. It takes time to get into full power, but when it does, it's great stuff: completely new material that's easily of the same quality as in Quichotte Part 1! Force Majeure / The Price is the same as at Newcastle. Set 2 begins with a few minuted of friendly vibrations, and eventually starts the Silver Scale intro: a high-pitched sparkling version of the Thief sequence, some ambience base and occasional bass patterns. They say that this is a version of 'Church Theme' from Wavelength, but I haven't heard that... The lead is like very high pitched pipe organ. Around 7 minutes the first main section begins: a definite bassline replaces the background ambience, and a nervously twitching keyboard pseudo-sequence plays the main role. The high organ still goes on, sounding like a flute or sax occasionally. Percussion enters at 10 minutes; around 11.30 there's several crashing voices which accompanies the sequence switching over to the normal Thief sequence. Melody lines change too, it's a bit more aggressive now. There's a few minutes of unrelesed noodling before the instrument patterns change, thus denoting the beginning of Horns of Doom. The lead is very high-pitched again. This shrieking frenzy finally settles with a similar effect as in Thermal Inversion; one drumline gains enough velocity to be considered whiteish noise. I must say that I liked the Tangents verson of Silver Scale better: it had that nice choral intro and was less obsessive at the end. Phase Change is quite similar with the Quichotte Part 2 intro. Distinguished by hissing and beeping voices. Diamond Duster is kinda like an evil twin brother of Beach Theme. They say that this is an unreleased Thief track, and the rhytm is sort of beachish (not as lax though). Slow, malicious squeaky lead line alternates with pessimistic flute. Not much action. Then, the Thief sequence suddendly restarts. Some mild keyboards for a few minutes, after that it's basically a backdrop for a guitar solo. The solo has elements from Scrap Yard, Coldwater Canyon and even TT1:2... but no Quichotte Part 2 as far as I can tell? The version of Choronzon featured here is probably the best of the 4 ones I've heard (3 here and the official one). Mostly because the other 2 performances are too much compromizing between this (original) and the released version (which gets the silver). People are clapping throughout the piece, and even sometimes dadaa-dadaa-dadaa-dadaadaa -'ing. Some sequence repetition condensation could have been used, however, since this is about 3 times longer than the Exit version. But don't miss the intense keyboard sections @ circa 4.30, 8.00, 9.00 and 10.30! The final track is Trap Feeling / Scrap Yard. Well, what can I say? They're the album versions, not exactly in mint condition (they've been shortened) but not modified much either. The bridging is OK, no guitar in the latter. Volumes 15 & 16, Warsaw 2001 This volume has at least a minute of ambience between each track. Not bad if they're some 8-12 minutes, but with ~3 minute tracks, that's unnecessary... The bridges can be rather interesting sometimes, but usually it's just some synth hum. All the remixes are slightly laid-back in general; sometimes even tired (note: not tiresome!). Strangely, even sequences whih seem to have energy at first start sounding relaxing if they just repeat, simultaneously with other voices supporting that impression. The journey begins somewhere between the Chainsaw Echoes reality and the Evil Breezes reality; after returning to Warsaw, Spirit of the Czar begins with slowly building percussion. The introductory clangs of Poland repeat throughout the track. The other sequences follow the 83 version somewhat faithfully. When we get into the Sun, there's a nice extra keyboard solo layer. The version playing underneath is the 7' single version. Comet's Figure Head has an extra guitarline, othervise it's what's released. Force Majeure is the same bit as during the 81 tours. This track also has a short piano solo at the end. The next 3 tracks follow the typical remix style of this concert. Some additions on Going West, slight slackiness on Lamb with etc, and a shadowy apparation mood on Comfort Zone. Longing For Cashba has an energetic guitarsolo and romping rhytms. I haven't heard the original version so I can't comment much, though... Ending Disk 1 is an odd percussion/whistle solo. Disk 2 sounds slightly monotonic. Strong melodies are mysteriously absent? There are themes of course, but they're not good for much besides humming. Funny voices are used plentifully and the rhytms are pleasing. This disk is pretty leptosomic, especially the double-noodled version of Towards the Evening Star. The exception is a raging guitar section during Astrophobia... Sony Center has some quirky beats and melodies. They're not extraordinary, but among the best of this disk nevertheless. Disk 3 (vol.16) has only 3 encores and some interview. No big surprizes during Stereolight (if you knew already that it's based on some bits of Desert Dream and Monolight). Extensive acceleration towards the end, after it has boiled over it's time for yet another cameo, this time of Diamond Diary.. This piece differs from the mainstream of this concert; it actually is energetic. Guitar riffs are plentiful, especially near the end. The Bridge Song, to keep it simple, _sucks_. Mobocaster is not bad, but too undistinguishable from the rest of this concert. I haven't yet bothered to listen through the interview... Interestingly, this concert resembles Vol.9 by the structure pretty much. It's not similar, but it still is. You have to listen to it yourself to be able to understand... Both are just lots of humming and rhytms, with little (if anything) that really stands off. Even These 2 concerts requre different moods and opinions if you want to really like them (I'm with #9) but it's apparent that it's the same band, despite the 27 years in the between. --- OK, I suppose I'm done now... Extreme thanks to: Heiko & the back room boys (catch phrase of the week ;) for organizing this Edgar, Chris, Peter, Johannes and all the other musicians for the very music itself Gustavo, Marko and Maff for the cover art and everyone else involved of course! It's great to be a member of this community. :) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35502 Re: TTree2 (extensive review!) Heiko Heerssen Wed 8/14/2002 3 KB 35503 Re: TTree2 (extensive review!) omegatransfinito Wed 8/14/2002 2 KB 35559 Re: TTree2 (extensive review!) Janet Wojtecki Thu 8/15/2002 4 KB 35577 Re: TTree2 (extensive review!) Art Of Vision Thu 8/15/2002 2 KB From: Marion Horrod Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 7:53 am Subject: LnH Hi John LnH stands for 'Love 'n' Hugs', or 'Love and Hugs' if you want it in full. It's just my personal sign-off, although I don't mind if other people use it too. You can never have too much love and hugs! LnH Marion From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 9:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TTree2 (extensive review!) > Well, I've had my disks since Friday, listened each through at least once, > and here's my lenghty review: Thanks John for your extensive review of TT#2 (although after finished reading it I'm still not sure whether you liked it or not ;-) I agree with what you're saying about Newcastle 1981 (Volume 10) being mechanic and clinically cold. But if one is in the right mood for it it's always fascinating to hear it (especially the first 30+ minutes of the 1st set have a special 'cold war' atmosphere..hard to describe) I don't agree with what you said about Mannheim 1976 (Volume 13) having 'too many watered-down themes of TT1 and TT8', I think it's a great concert (but you have to listen to it a couple of times before coming to this conclusion since the music of Mannheim seems to be much more improvised than -for example- Nottingham or Berlin 1976) But then again, each of us has his/her own individual taste about the music of Tangerine Dream :-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35503 Re: TTree2 (extensive review!) omegatransfinito Wed 8/14/2002 2 KB From: 'omegatransfinito' Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 12:11 pm Subject: Re: TTree2 (extensive review!) > Thanks John for your extensive review of TT#2 (although after finished reading > it I'm still not sure whether you liked it or not ;-)> Well duh! Of course I liked it! It takes enthusiasm to even bother to write something that long. If it wasn't clear enough already, the definitive highlights are: -vol.9 -Bondy Parade -Calymba Caly electro part -Saarbücken 76 -Heritage Survival -Parisienne -first section of Thermal Inversion on vol.10 -Choronzon on vol.14 But then again, each of > us has his/her own individual taste about the music of Tangerine Dream :-) > > Heiko Yep. Those were after all only my opinions, but I hope it was descriptive enough so you could get a good impression of what's this like. John Vertical From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 12:43 pm Subject: Near-Dark DVD pre-order http://www.hmv.com/?ct=pd&sku=285637&source=1205 Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 12:53 pm Subject: Weird Dream Last night I had a dream that Cher was singing 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'... - jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35506 Re: Weird Dream TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Wed 8/14/2002 2 KB 35507 Re: Weird Dream thomas.soucheleau@n... Wed 8/14/2002 3 KB 35508 Re: Weird Dream Armin Theissen Wed 8/14/2002 4 KB 35510 Re: Weird Dream Administrator Wed 8/14/2002 2 KB 35511 Re: Weird Dream Administrator Wed 8/14/2002 4 KB 35512 Re: Weird Dream Administrator Wed 8/14/2002 5 KB 35537 Re: Weird Dream Gustavo Jobim Thu 8/15/2002 2 KB 35550 Re: Weird Dream John Vertical Thu 8/15/2002 3 KB 35551 Re: Weird Dream Robert Asmus Thu 8/15/2002 4 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 12:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream At 08:53 14.08.02 , you wrote: >Last night I had a dream that Cher was singing 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'... > >- jim > Jim... you are sick! That is one of the worst nightmares imaginable... did you awake sweating? LOL ;-) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 1:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream Many years ago, I had a pretty similar weird dream that kim wilde was singing over cinamon road... Better not think of it. thomas. > >At 08:53 14.08.02 , you wrote: >>Last night I had a dream that Cher was singing 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'.. >> >>- jim >> > > >Jim... you are sick! That is one of the worst nightmares imaginable... did >you awake sweating? LOL ;-) > > >Best regards, > >Martin Kasprzak >TDI- Music- Support. >Tel:-49-30-23620995 >Fax:-49-30-23620996 > >Visit our Website at: > >www.tdimusic.com > >Have a nice day! > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 2:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream what's happening with you, guys? I'm afraid to dream this night that Tom Jones will join the band... (maybe not so bad for you americans - TD in Las Vegas!) armin thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote: > Many years ago, I had a pretty similar weird dream that kim wilde was singing over cinamon road... > Better not think of it. > > > thomas. > > >>At 08:53 14.08.02 , you wrote: >> >>>Last night I had a dream that Cher was singing 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'.. >>> >>>- jim >>> >>> >> >>Jim... you are sick! That is one of the worst nightmares imaginable... did >>you awake sweating? LOL ;-) >> >> >>Best regards, >> >>Martin Kasprzak >>TDI- Music- Support. >>Tel:-49-30-23620995 >>Fax:-49-30-23620996 >> >>Visit our Website at: >> >>www.tdimusic.com >> >>Have a nice day! >> >>----------------------------------------------------_- >>To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>----------------------------------------------------_- >>Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >>http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ >> >>Tangerine Tree info at >>http://www.tadream.net/tree >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... > Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com > Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 EUR TTC/min) > Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 EUR TTC/min) > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'sean_w_montgomery' Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 3:55 pm Subject: New TD Website is online They finally took the wraps off today...the new TD website is up. It's an improvement, to be sure...although they should really tone down the faux gold. It adds some cute new features - like an instant poll, and Edgar and Jerome's favourite websites...Edgar, predictably, is checking out Picasso lithographs, while Jerome enjoys Stick Death theatre. They have indeed restored a guestbook, and provided a new threaded forum. Also, you can now order individual albums straight from TDI...that includes Jerome's Ground Liftaz singles, and Inferno, which has a slightly reworked cover with a typically atrocious TDI font selection. But they still haven't addressed a longstanding complaint of mine: there's very little info about the albums. No composition credits, no track times, no info about track origins, or whether material has been remixed, previously released under a different name, or overdubbed. Also, some release are 'No Longer Available', including Soundmill Navigator, Sohoman, Canyon Dreams...and most disturbingly, Antique Dreams, an album I consider to be the best thing they put out since the original Dream Mixes release. I presume there are legal issues at play here? Maybe they'll show up in the next $250 'Booster Package' ;-) What I like best about the site now is that it opens the door to improved two-way communication between the label and its customers. Hopefully, that door won't be shut by people posting crap in the guestbook...time will tell. -Sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35514 Re: New TD Website is online TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Wed 8/14/2002 3 KB 35519 Re: New TD Website is online Steve Wed 8/14/2002 2 KB 35520 Re: New TD Website is online heineu Wed 8/14/2002 2 KB 35515 Re: New TD Website is online Administrator Wed 8/14/2002 4 KB 35522 Re: New TD Website is online Administrator Wed 8/14/2002 3 KB 35532 Re: New TD Website is online Owens, James Wed 8/14/2002 2 KB 35540 Re: New TD Website is online Heiko Heerssen Thu 8/15/2002 3 KB 35541 Re: New TD Website is online Jens Kilian Thu 8/15/2002 3 KB 35544 Re: New TD Website is online René Brenner Thu 8/15/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 4:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream Have you considered requesting a doctor's appointment? ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jim Moore' To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 5:53 AM Subject: [tadream] Weird Dream > Last night I had a dream that Cher was singing 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'... > > - jim > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 4:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream Kim is a better vision than Cher. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream Many years ago, I had a pretty similar weird dream that kim wilde was singing over cinamon road... Better not think of it. thomas. > >At 08:53 14.08.02 , you wrote: >>Last night I had a dream that Cher was singing 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'.. >> >>- jim >> > > >Jim... you are sick! That is one of the worst nightmares imaginable... did >you awake sweating? LOL ;-) > > >Best regards, > >Martin Kasprzak >TDI- Music- Support. >Tel:-49-30-23620995 >Fax:-49-30-23620996 > >Visit our Website at: > >www.tdimusic.com > >Have a nice day! > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 ? TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 ? TTC/min) ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Administrator' Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream TJ and Edgar? Neil Diamond, and the rest following this too? Robert Goutlet' as well... End of the world isn't it? dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Armin Theissen' To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream > what's happening with you, guys? I'm afraid to dream this night > that Tom Jones will join the band... > > (maybe not so bad for you americans - TD in Las Vegas!) > > armin > > thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote: > > > Many years ago, I had a pretty similar weird dream that kim wilde was singing over cinamon road... > > Better not think of it. > > > > > > thomas. > > > > > >>At 08:53 14.08.02 , you wrote: > >> > >>>Last night I had a dream that Cher was singing 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'.. > >>> > >>>- jim > >>> > >>> > >> > >>Jim... you are sick! That is one of the worst nightmares imaginable... did > >>you awake sweating? LOL ;-) > >> > >> > >>Best regards, > >> > >>Martin Kasprzak > >>TDI- Music- Support. > >>Tel:-49-30-23620995 > >>Fax:-49-30-23620996 > >> > >>Visit our Website at: > >> > >>www.tdimusic.com > >> > >>Have a nice day! > >> > >>----------------------------------------------------_- > >>To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >>----------------------------------------------------_- > >>Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > >>http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >> > >>Tangerine Tree info at > >>http://www.tadream.net/tree > >> > >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... > > Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com > > Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 EUR TTC/min) > > Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 EUR TTC/min) > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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ID Date Size 35537 Re: Weird Dream Gustavo Jobim Thu 8/15/2002 2 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 4:16 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #281 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #281 August 8, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Hemisphere, a band from Germany known for dark electronic ambient excursions. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Liquid Mirror' on the Groove label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Romance 76' by Peter Baumann on the Virgin label. Hemisphere http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#aug PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Peter Baumann Phase by Phase Romance 76 (Virgin) Klangwelt Connect Weltweit (Spheric) Navigator Mellowtrain advance CDR of Northern Consequence (Invisible Shadows) Navigator Ocean CDR from Jens Peschke (none) VA [Robert Rich] Mosaic The Gatherings (Synkronos) DreamLand Sunspots Underwater (Dog Fingers) 12:00 am Hemisphere In the Deep Liquid Mirror (Groove) Hemisphere Northern Horizon Liquid Mirror (Groove) Hemisphere Below Sea Level Liquid Mirror (Groove) Hemisphere We're Afloat Liquid Mirror (Groove) Hemisphere Touch the Waves Liquid Mirror (Groove) Hemisphere Liquid Mirror Part I Liquid Mirror (Groove) Hemisphere Liquid Mirror Part II Liquid Mirror (Groove) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Hemisphere. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Inversion' on the Groove label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Shadows of Light' by the Nightcrawlers on the Synkronos label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiy.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 4:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online Hi Folks, as Sean has rightly remarked, the new TD-website went online today at www.tangerinedream.org We sincerely hope that you will find it a big improvement to the old sites. Please note that the webshop is now via a secure server protocol and that it features an interactive shopping cart which will automatically calculate item costs and shipping expenses. We have restored the guestbook feature and added an interactive forum to address the demand for discussion among the fans. We also hope that this forum will help improving the interaction between band, TDI office and fans. So, please get registered for the forum and do not hesitate to use it. Feedback on the site is also very well appreciated within the forum. Please be aware that netiquette does apply within, though and we will not allow slandering of band or other fans nor will we allow abusive language. Hope you will enjoy it. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35519 Re: New TD Website is online Steve Wed 8/14/2002 2 KB 35520 Re: New TD Website is online heineu Wed 8/14/2002 2 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 5:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online noted the Joshua Tree... too bad I see thousands of these daily but still... I noted it on the viewer... excellent update... dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak' To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online > Hi Folks, > > as Sean has rightly remarked, the new TD-website went online today at > > www.tangerinedream.org > > We sincerely hope that you will find it a big improvement to the old sites. > > Please note that the webshop is now via a secure server protocol and that > it features an interactive shopping cart which will automatically calculate > item costs and shipping expenses. > > We have restored the guestbook feature and added an interactive forum to > address the demand for discussion among the fans. We also hope that this > forum will help improving the interaction between band, TDI office and > fans. So, please get registered for the forum and do not hesitate to use it. > > Feedback on the site is also very well appreciated within the forum. Please > be aware that netiquette does apply within, though and we will not allow > slandering of band or other fans nor will we allow abusive language. > > Hope you will enjoy it. > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 5:57 pm Subject: New Site It looks nice, though I need to spend time learning the navigation. I noticed there are some short videos you can view by clicking on the circular object in the upper right corner. I tried registering at the site twice, and received confirmations via email, but have not been able to log in successfully. I wonder what if anything am I missing? Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35517 Re: New Site Administrator Wed 8/14/2002 3 KB 35518 Re: New Site hyperboreauk Wed 8/14/2002 2 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 6:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Site same here did it twice too.. I sent them a note, perhaps the forum isn't activated yet. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Michael Jean' To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:57 AM Subject: [tadream] New Site > It looks nice, though I need to spend time learning the navigation. > > I noticed there are some short videos you can view by clicking on the circular object in the upper right corner. > > I tried registering at the site twice, and received confirmations via email, but have not been able to log in successfully. I wonder what if anything am I missing? > > Regards, > > > Michael A. Jean > The Brookings Institution > 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. > Washington, DC 20036-2188 > > TEL: (202)-797-6214 > FAX: (202)-797-2479 > EMAIL: mjean@b... > http://www.brookings.edu > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'hyperboreauk' Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 6:07 pm Subject: Re: New Site --- In tadream@y..., 'Michael Jean' wrote: > It > . > > I tried registering at the site twice, and received confirmations via email, but have not been able to log in successfully. I wonder what if anything am I missing? > Hi Micheal I have tried the same as you with no success at the moment must be a fault already. Cheers Gary > > > > > Washington, DC 20036-2188 > > TEL: (202)-797-6214 > FAX: (202)-797-2479 > EMAIL: mjean@b... > http://www.brookings.edu > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Steve' Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 5:52 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] New TD Website is online Well, I headed to the forums and saw that there were no posts yet, so I registered in the hope of being able to be the first to post and whatever I do I get told 'incorrect login'... Steve www.craftman.co.uk www.rottievision.com www.rotties-r-us.co.uk - Paws Around the World Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35520 Re: New TD Website is online heineu Wed 8/14/2002 2 KB From: 'heineu' Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 6:45 pm Subject: Re: New TD Website is online Hello steve, I have the same problem. I dont know why??? But, it is a wonderfull HP, many interesting stuff. Good work. Regards heiko - Mr. Optical http://www.opticaldream.de --- In tadream@y..., 'Steve' wrote: > Well, I headed to the forums and saw that there were no posts yet, so I > registered in the hope of being able to be the first to post and whatever I > do I get told 'incorrect login'... > > Steve > > www.craftman.co.uk > www.rottievision.com > www.rotties-r-us.co.uk - Paws Around the World From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 7:14 pm Subject: Re: Neil Diamond Yes!!! I actually thought Neil Diamond would be a better fit. He could probably even just pull a 'Loved By the Sun' and just come in and spin his magic over a few tracks. So, are you guys saying that Neil will be featured on the next installment of the Divine Comedy? I thought Inferno was already done. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35523 Re: Neil Diamond Administrator Wed 8/14/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 7:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online it's working! dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Steve' To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:52 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] New TD Website is online > Well, I headed to the forums and saw that there were no posts yet, so I > registered in the hope of being able to be the first to post and whatever I > do I get told 'incorrect login'... > > Steve > > www.craftman.co.uk > www.rottievision.com > www.rotties-r-us.co.uk - Paws Around the World > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 7:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Neil Diamond go to the new site register me thinks the sun might have touch ya... dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Neil Diamond > Yes!!! I actually thought Neil Diamond would be a better fit. > > He could probably even just pull a 'Loved By the Sun' and just come in and spin his magic over a few tracks. > > So, are you guys saying that Neil will be featured on the next installment of the Divine Comedy? I thought Inferno was already done. > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 7:42 pm Subject: Forum Looks like I get my forum after all (eyeroll) http://www.tangerinedream.org/ -Morgan From: Philip Meyer Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 7:48 pm Subject: TT replacements In the readme for TT1 - Volume 1, it is mentioned that the recording replaces Me-Rad. I compared the two, and Volume 1 is much better. I was wondering if there are any other bootlegs that TT1 or TT2 recordings now replace? I could look through all my other concert recordings and work out if I have any duplicates, but I just wondered if anyone else has done side-by-side comparisons already. Phil ------------------------------ Phil Meyer ICQ:10029030 http://www.hergest.demon.co.uk From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 7:46 pm Subject: Forum Now if I could just get logged in. Went thru the confirmation code thing, etc. and the passwords it is giving out aren't working. Surprised the list of rules is entirely cookie-cutter. I would have assumed that they would have set specific policies about which topics cannot be discussed. I can think of dozens. :) -Morgan From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 7:59 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree replacing other boots >From: Philip Meyer >Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 2:48 pm >Subject: TT replacements >In the readme for TT1 - Volume 1, it is mentioned that the recording replaces >Me-Rad. I compared the two, and Volume 1 is much better. > >I was wondering if there are any other bootlegs that TT1 or TT2 recordings now >replace? I could look through all my other concert recordings and work out >if I >have any duplicates, but I just wondered if anyone else has done side-by-side >comparisons already. Although it is still quite under construction (I'm begging for suggestions/corrections/updates!), you can see which bootlegs and fantapes have been replaced by Tangerine Trees or other recordings at my website here: http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/ Also some of the Tangerine Trees indicate which recordings they replace on the artwork. Tangerine Tree 9 - Royal Albert Hall UK April 2, 1975 replaces: Coefficient of Aural Expansion Phaedream Ruby in the Sky Absolutely Hypnotized Royal Dreams Tangerine Tree 11 - Newcastle Oct 25, 1981 replaces: Dreamtime Spaces and Spheres Space Trucking Speaking of Space Trucking, Preston 1980 might get the magic treatment soon. A future Tangerine Tree (remastered from the wonderful 'Lifted Curtain' recording) will replace: White Cloths Bergamo Beyond the Wall Don Quixotte Staatsgrenze West -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35538 Re: Tangerine Tree replacing other boots Gustavo Jobim Thu 8/15/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 8:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum AHHH you be a thinking again do ya.... Did you get the LFO with the ramp? rrrr r r rr me good eye was a watering at the updated site.... teary eye at that.... forum... yea me got in... thanks to the great TD webmaster.... ô0 ?? dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:46 PM Subject: [tadream] Forum > Now if I could just get logged in. Went thru the confirmation code thing, > etc. and the passwords it is giving out aren't working. > > Surprised the list of rules is entirely cookie-cutter. > > I would have assumed that they would have set specific policies about which > topics cannot be discussed. I can think of dozens. :) > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 8:14 pm Subject: TD Web site update I did not know Martin was into Guitars. There is a dealer right down the road from me that sales those guitars. (Lancaster CA) (He also does a bit of part time teaching music at the local Junior College too, not to mention plays Jazz) I took the ebow route. The kit is a great retro fit if you have a guitar you wish to custom that way. dale From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 8:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum Morgan Feldon wrote: > > I would have assumed that they would have set specific policies about which > topics cannot be discussed. Why do you think you cannot get logged in? ;-) Antonio np: TD - Paris Bataclan 1981-02-02 From: 'Administrator' Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 8:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum hehehe I wished I thought of that... good one!!!!!!! dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Antonio Nunes' To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum > > Morgan Feldon wrote: > > > > I would have assumed that they would have set specific policies about which > > topics cannot be discussed. > > > Why do you think you cannot get logged in? ;-) > > Antonio > > np: TD - Paris Bataclan 1981-02-02 From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 8:49 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] New TD Website is online Thanks TDi for a great-looking website. And most importantly, that awesome jukebox feature! Now playing Rubycon pt1 - the perfect mood for reading up on my favorite band! James > -----Original Message----- > From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak [mailto:manager@t...] > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:52 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online > > > Hi Folks, > > as Sean has rightly remarked, the new TD-website went online today at > > www.tangerinedream.org From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 9:56 pm Subject: Legal tape trading network > Two site you might want to try out: Excuse me, Scott, but did you take the trouble to read the first word in the subject ? klaus From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 10:00 pm Subject: TT2 Downloads > eDonkey and Gnutella in and of themselves are not servers. They are only > conduits to people who have bandwidth available to share TT2. Well, the > people who have bandwidth available already are sharing TT2. 9 people so > far. For those who feel the task of setting up an FTP might be daunting, > then yes, one of the freebie P2P programs you mention would then make sense. Of course, I know that. The nice thing about these networks is that everybody who downloads is also offering file chunks for upload, at least for the time the download is not completed. cheers, klaus From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 11:13 pm Subject: conspicuous by its absence conspicuous by its absence while searching the new tangerinedream.org site I couldn't find either of the keep CD releases nor the sony topping out ceremony score listed. --T ps I thought dot org was for noncommercial sites..... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 11:43 pm Subject: top 5 jerome ah yes--the pinball pasture--reminds me I want to restore an old pinball machine that's been collecting cobwebs on my patio--now finding parts should be easier--thanks Jerome! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream It could be worse... It could be Mike Oldfield singing Smile... >TJ and Edgar? >Neil Diamond, and the rest following this too? Robert Goutlet' as well... >End of the world isn't it? >dale Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree replacing other boots >Philip Meyer said: >>I was wondering if there are any other bootlegs that TT1 or TT2 recordings now replace? I could look through all my other concert recordings and work out if I have any duplicates, but I just wondered if anyone else has done side-by-side comparisons already. Then Morgan replied: >Tangerine Tree 9 - Royal Albert Hall UK April 2, 1975 replaces: >(...)Absolutely Hypnotized >Royal Dreams I didn't know about these too; if they had been mentioned before [while we were working on the covers] I'd have put them in the back cover (it mentions only Coefficient, Ruby and Phaedream). I don't remember if TT11 mentions those bootlegs. >A future Tangerine Tree (remastered from the wonderful 'Lifted Curtain' >recording) will replace: White Cloths... What can I say? woohoo. btw: 'Meyer' is the name of the suburb where I live. Well nowadays it's written 'Méier', but it's the same pronunciation; it comes from the Meyer family's farm (big one) in the XIX century, which developed into the suburb. Méier is officially now a bit more than 120 years old I think. TD has never been in Méier. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:23 am Subject: RE: [TT2] DOWNloaders feedback, please Thanks Arno, and I hope you don't mind me cc:ing the list as a reminder for SHN branches to CHECK YOUR SHNs! Run the md5 file in each folder to make sure your disks are good before you send them out. The easy way is to do a file search for *.md5 on the CDR, then run them in order. Thanks, Joe -----Original Message----- From: Arno Kolster To: Joe Shoults Sent: 8/14/02 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [TT2] DOWNloaders feedback, please Joe, Arno Kolster here. I managed to download the remainder of the disks last night, but haven't had time yet to check the md5s. I will update status tonight after I confirm the downloads. Thanks for all your work on this. Arno --- Joe Shoults wrote: > Thanks to our download HOSTs, the downloading effort > for TT2 is going much > more smoothly than for TT1, from what we can tell so > far. > > We need more feedback from you: Is your downloading > process working for > you? > > If you are a branch, you should have your files by > now and already be > burning for your leaves. If you are a branch and > you do NOT have your disks > yet, we may need to make adjustments to get them to > you, unless you are > alomost finished downloading your files. This > includes the following > people, who are all currently listed as 'UNRECEIVED' > in the database: > > Harry Besler > Daniel Fishman > Arno Kolster > Antonio Nunes > Simon Pride > Arne Richter > Brian Williams > scott charles > > If you have your disks, please update your status. > If you need to be > switched, let us know asap. > > Thanks, > Joe > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 5:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online > We also hope that this forum will help improving the interaction between band, > TDI office and > fans. So, please get registered for the forum and do not hesitate to use it. Is it just me or do other people also have problems with getting registered for the forum? I entered my nickname and password twice but all it said was 'incorrect login'. I even used an alternative nickname & email address but the result was the same. Help meeeee........ > Feedback on the site is also very well appreciated within the forum. Please > be aware that netiquette does apply within, though and we will not allow > slandering of band or other fans nor will we allow abusive language. I thought you knew that we all love & adore you ;-) Heiko From: Jens Kilian Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 7:08 am Subject: Re: New TD Website is online > From: 'sean_w_montgomery' > > They finally took the wraps off today...the new TD website is up. ... and it brings my browser down. Probably some Flash or other crap. Guess I won't buy anything from them. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35544 Re: New TD Website is online René Brenner Thu 8/15/2002 3 KB From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 7:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online Me too! I also get 'Incorrect login!' on my nickname and password..... Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online > > > > We also hope that this forum will help improving the interaction between band, > > TDI office and > > fans. So, please get registered for the forum and do not hesitate to use it. > > Is it just me or do other people also have problems with getting registered for > the forum? I entered my nickname and password twice but all it said was > 'incorrect login'. I even used an alternative nickname & email address but the > result was the same. Help meeeee........ > > > Feedback on the site is also very well appreciated within the forum. Please > > be aware that netiquette does apply within, though and we will not allow > > slandering of band or other fans nor will we allow abusive language. > > I thought you knew that we all love & adore you ;-) > > Heiko > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: edgar-rainer.berberich@g... Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 7:30 am Subject: Antwort: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online You're not alone. Anonther user same problem. Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards Edgar Rainer Berberich 'Peter Ravn' on 15.08.2002 09:21:19 Bitte antworten an tadream@yahoogroups.com An: Kopie: Thema: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online Me too! I also get 'Incorrect login!' on my nickname and password..... Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online > > > > We also hope that this forum will help improving the interaction between band, > > TDI office and > > fans. So, please get registered for the forum and do not hesitate to use it. > > Is it just me or do other people also have problems with getting registered for > the forum? I entered my nickname and password twice but all it said was > 'incorrect login'. I even used an alternative nickname & email address but the > result was the same. Help meeeee........ > > > Feedback on the site is also very well appreciated within the forum. Please > > be aware that netiquette does apply within, though and we will not allow > > slandering of band or other fans nor will we allow abusive language. > > I thought you knew that we all love & adore you ;-) > > Heiko > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! 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From: René Brenner Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 8:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New TD Website is online On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 09:08:55 +0200, Jens Kilian wrote: > > From: 'sean_w_montgomery' > > > > They finally took the wraps off today...the new TD website is up. > > ... and it brings my browser down. Probably some Flash or other crap. > Guess I won't buy anything from them. works fine with mozilla 1.0/linux here... From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 8:58 am Subject: Logos remix http://www.oxygene65.freeserve.co.uk/music.htm There's a eurotrance remix of Logos on that page, made by James Munro in London Glenn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35594 Re: Logos remix tadream Fri 8/16/2002 2 KB From: Marion Horrod Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 10:42 am Subject: Re: New site Nice to see all those photos - and they load pretty quickly too. Praise be for web designers who think about speed as well as flashy effects! I notice that a few people (Linda springs to mind) seem to have been 'forgotten' in the line-ups list - although they do appear in the piccies. Looking forward to spending some time browsing around: surprised not to see Al writing 'by hook or by crook I'll be first in this (guest)book', but nice to see the other usual suspects in there. LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35547 Re: New site Totta Thu 8/15/2002 3 KB 35554 Re: New site Armin Theissen Thu 8/15/2002 3 KB From: Totta Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 11:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New site Hi all Can you please tell me the Url to this site, i have lost it. Thaks in advance Totta Marion Horrod wrote: >Nice to see all those photos - and they load pretty quickly too. Praise be >for web designers who think about speed as well as flashy effects! > >I notice that a few people (Linda springs to mind) seem to have been >'forgotten' in the line-ups list - although they do appear in the piccies. > >Looking forward to spending some time browsing around: surprised not to see >Al writing 'by hook or by crook I'll be first in this (guest)book', but >nice to see the other usual suspects in there. > >LnH > >Marion > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 11:22 am Subject: Buy or die One thing I noticed about the new TD homepage is that the prices in their online shop are much more 'customer friendly' than before. As far as I can remember (please correct me if I'm wrong..wouldn't be the first time ~lol~) a T-shirt used to cost $30 (now $19), the Scuba watch $75 (now $25)..the 'I-box' is on sale for just $35, and all the TDI releases cost $12 each (except for Dream Mixes 2 & Tang-go which is $15, but these are double CDs) I'm impressed! Heiko From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 12:21 pm Subject: Emil Hachfeld This is a small tribute to the late Emil Hachfeld, percussionist with TD between 1997 and 2002. Having noticed the sign of the cross next to his name on the updated TD homepage, here is the only information I could find, from a German live music info page at http://www.konzi-tip.de/news.shtml: > Auch wenn es immer wieder tiefe Einschnitte gibt, wie den traurigen Todesfall des > Trommlers Emil Hachfeld (u. a. TANGERINE DREAM), der das letzte HORSHAMMER-Konzert > bestritt, vervolgen sie weiterhin beharlich ihr Ziel. So wurde das Label THORSHAMMER > gegründet, (auf dem inzwischen auch internationale Bands vertreten sind), um die > Produktionen unabhängig von äußeren Einflüssen gestalten zu können, welche Plattenfirma > presst schon 190 Gramm schwere Vinyle für ihre Künstler? I had the privilege to meet Emil after a TD concert in Bonn in 1997. He was not only an amazing percussionist, whose creative and energetic work managed to integrate his own lively style with the mellower harmonies of Tangerine Dream and will remain an enduring memory for many fans and concert visitors. He was also a very nice person who was friendly, forthcoming and genuinely looking forward to further work with TD. Emil Hachfeld will be missed by many people whose lives have been enriched by his musical contribution. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream > >Last night I had a dream that Cher was singing 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'... > > > >- jim > > > > >Jim... you are sick! That is one of the worst nightmares imaginable... did >you awake sweating? LOL ;-) Has anyone ever really had an opposite kind of a dream? For I sure do. I've seen at least half a dozen of dreams where I hear some new great music by someone (usually TD, but JMJ has gotten one appearence too), and when I awake, I don't sadly remember at all what it was like... With the last one, I remember some faint details though. It was playing on the background of a some sorts of garden on a camping area or something. The piece was 'Ricochet Part III'! The first few minutes were somewhat similar to the 2nd main part of Part I or the nearing-the-middle section of Part II; then came a slow percussion part (slightly as during the central bridge of part I). No length known, no themes known, only the abstract feelings... Isn't _that_ quite a Dream! John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35551 Re: Weird Dream Robert Asmus Thu 8/15/2002 4 KB 35580 Re: Weird Dream Jim Moore Fri 8/16/2002 3 KB From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:23 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Weird Dream Are you on anti psychotic drugs Jim or are you just crazy Robert Asmus Email: Asmus0324@c... Home Page:http://members.cox.net/asmus0324/ -----Original Message----- From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 9:13 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream > >Last night I had a dream that Cher was singing 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'... > > > >- jim > > > > >Jim... you are sick! That is one of the worst nightmares imaginable... did >you awake sweating? LOL ;-) Has anyone ever really had an opposite kind of a dream? For I sure do. I've seen at least half a dozen of dreams where I hear some new great music by someone (usually TD, but JMJ has gotten one appearence too), and when I awake, I don't sadly remember at all what it was like... With the last one, I remember some faint details though. It was playing on the background of a some sorts of garden on a camping area or something. The piece was 'Ricochet Part III'! The first few minutes were somewhat similar to the 2nd main part of Part I or the nearing-the-middle section of Part II; then came a slow percussion part (slightly as during the central bridge of part I). No length known, no themes known, only the abstract feelings... Isn't _that_ quite a Dream! John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Armin Theissen Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream I once had a TD related weird dream, too (long ago). Peter Baumann had so many modules in his modular so that he was completely surrounded by it, and in order to see him at all on stage, there was a window-like cut-out. Made him look like in a puppet theatre (germans will know as Kasperle Theater). Hey, I know its weird, but these are dreams, and we often shake our heads about what we dream. armin John Vertical wrote: >>>Last night I had a dream that Cher was singing 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'... >>> >>>- jim >>> >>> >> >>Jim... you are sick! That is one of the worst nightmares imaginable... did >>you awake sweating? LOL ;-) >> > > > Has anyone ever really had an opposite kind of a dream? For I sure do. I've > seen at least half a dozen of dreams where I hear some new great music by > someone (usually TD, but JMJ has gotten one appearence too), and when I > awake, I don't sadly remember at all what it was like... > > With the last one, I remember some faint details though. It was playing on > the background of a some sorts of garden on a camping area or something. The > piece was 'Ricochet Part III'! > The first few minutes were somewhat similar to the 2nd main part of Part I > or the nearing-the-middle section of Part II; then came a slow percussion > part (slightly as during the central bridge of part I). No length known, no > themes known, only the abstract feelings... Isn't _that_ quite a Dream! > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream I had a dream not long ago where TD were playing an outside concert in the summer , only they were playing thier new album of Christmas carol arrangements !!! I bet that`ll happen soon ;) Every TD concert dream I have is awful , usually in a school hall with small dusty speakers etc . Think I may be working too hard . Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Robert Asmus' To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 2:23 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Weird Dream > Are you on anti psychotic drugs Jim or are you just crazy > > Robert Asmus > Email: Asmus0324@c... > Home Page:http://members.cox.net/asmus0324/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 9:13 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream > > > >Last night I had a dream that Cher was singing 'Bent Cold > Sidewalk'... > > > > > >- jim > > > > > > > > >Jim... you are sick! That is one of the worst nightmares imaginable... > did > >you awake sweating? LOL ;-) > > > Has anyone ever really had an opposite kind of a dream? For I sure do. > I've > seen at least half a dozen of dreams where I hear some new great music > by > someone (usually TD, but JMJ has gotten one appearence too), and when I > awake, I don't sadly remember at all what it was like... > > With the last one, I remember some faint details though. It was playing > on > the background of a some sorts of garden on a camping area or something. > The > piece was 'Ricochet Part III'! > The first few minutes were somewhat similar to the 2nd main part of Part > I > or the nearing-the-middle section of Part II; then came a slow > percussion > part (slightly as during the central bridge of part I). No length known, > no > themes known, only the abstract feelings... Isn't _that_ quite a Dream! > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Armin Theissen Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New site I signed up for the forum, and apparently I should get a password by email, but I didn't. :-( any experience on how long that might take? armin Marion Horrod wrote: > Nice to see all those photos - and they load pretty quickly too. Praise be > for web designers who think about speed as well as flashy effects! > > I notice that a few people (Linda springs to mind) seem to have been > 'forgotten' in the line-ups list - although they do appear in the piccies. > > Looking forward to spending some time browsing around: surprised not to see > Al writing 'by hook or by crook I'll be first in this (guest)book', but > nice to see the other usual suspects in there. > > LnH > > Marion > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Armin Theissen Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Emil Hachfeld I'm very sad to hear that. His drumming on the tour was really great. I will listen to his solo on 'Tournado' tonight. armin Dennis Nigbur wrote: > This is a small tribute to the late Emil Hachfeld, percussionist with TD > between 1997 and 2002. > > Having noticed the sign of the cross next to his name on the updated > TD homepage, here is the only information I could find, from a German > live music info page at http://www.konzi-tip.de/news.shtml: > > >>Auch wenn es immer wieder tiefe Einschnitte gibt, wie den traurigen Todesfall des >>Trommlers Emil Hachfeld (u. a. TANGERINE DREAM), der das letzte HORSHAMMER-Konzert >>bestritt, vervolgen sie weiterhin beharlich ihr Ziel. So wurde das Label THORSHAMMER >>gegründet, (auf dem inzwischen auch internationale Bands vertreten sind), um die >>Produktionen unabhängig von äußeren Einflüssen gestalten zu können, welche Plattenfirma >>presst schon 190 Gramm schwere Vinyle für ihre Künstler? >> > > I had the privilege to meet Emil after a TD concert in Bonn in 1997. He > was not only an amazing percussionist, whose creative and energetic > work managed to integrate his own lively style with the mellower > harmonies of Tangerine Dream and will remain an enduring memory > for many fans and concert visitors. He was also a very nice person who > was friendly, forthcoming and genuinely looking forward to further work > with TD. > > Emil Hachfeld will be missed by many people whose lives have been > enriched by his musical contribution. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:33 pm Subject: OT: Hear outtakes from Klaus Schulzes next box Hi, On http://www.rainhorse.de/ is outtakes from Klaus Schulze's next box set 'Contemporary Works 2' available. 6 of 12 outtakes is available now. Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35563 Re: OT: Hear outtakes from Klaus Schulzes next bo vic rek Thu 8/15/2002 2 KB From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Emil Hachfeld According to http://www.germanrock.de/musiker/h/hachfeld_emil.htm died he in 2000 - very sadly.... Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Armin Theissen' To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Emil Hachfeld > I'm very sad to hear that. His drumming on the tour was really great. > > I will listen to his solo on 'Tournado' tonight. > > armin > > Dennis Nigbur wrote: > > > This is a small tribute to the late Emil Hachfeld, percussionist with TD > > between 1997 and 2002. > > > > Having noticed the sign of the cross next to his name on the updated > > TD homepage, here is the only information I could find, from a German > > live music info page at http://www.konzi-tip.de/news.shtml: > > > > > >>Auch wenn es immer wieder tiefe Einschnitte gibt, wie den traurigen Todesfall des > >>Trommlers Emil Hachfeld (u. a. TANGERINE DREAM), der das letzte HORSHAMMER-Konzert > >>bestritt, vervolgen sie weiterhin beharlich ihr Ziel. So wurde das Label THORSHAMMER > >>gegründet, (auf dem inzwischen auch internationale Bands vertreten sind), um die > >>Produktionen unabhängig von äußeren Einflüssen gestalten zu können, welche Plattenfirma > >>presst schon 190 Gramm schwere Vinyle für ihre Künstler? > >> > > > > I had the privilege to meet Emil after a TD concert in Bonn in 1997. He > > was not only an amazing percussionist, whose creative and energetic > > work managed to integrate his own lively style with the mellower > > harmonies of Tangerine Dream and will remain an enduring memory > > for many fans and concert visitors. He was also a very nice person who > > was friendly, forthcoming and genuinely looking forward to further work > > with TD. > > > > Emil Hachfeld will be missed by many people whose lives have been > > enriched by his musical contribution. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 > SUN Microsystems Ireland > > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' > - Woody Allen > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'vic rek' Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream From: Armin Theissen > (maybe not so bad for you americans - TD in Las Vegas!) TD playing in Las Vegas? That's sounds like a great idea. Just imagine the exposure ;-) As for weird dreams, I had my own this morning. I was at a dinner at one of Saddam Hussein's palaces with a entourage of American guests. During the dinner I managed to approach him and ask him if he liked electronic music and cared to listen to my favorite band Tangerine Dream? He looked at me strangely and took a long sip on his milkshake. Later at the end of the dinner as the 'guests' were leaving, he told me that I must stay. I became very nervous as he and I and his guards walked out to a large white ambulance parked in the back of his compound. I check the ambulance to see if it had a CD player and then I double checked that I had my 'Le Parc' CD in my coat jacket. At the point, I hear a knock on my bedroom door, and it's my son asking what are we having for breakfast. Darn, I didn't get to find out if I was going to be the first US victim of the new conflict with Iraq, or if I would be able to crank up some TD as we sped around in the ambulance and try to convince him that listening to TD can make the world a better place for all of us. Vic From: 'Janet Wojtecki' Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TTree2 (extensive review!) Re Mannheim, yes Heiko I agree. For me Mannheim is one, if not THE highlight of the set. Well done in tracking down the new version .Thanks Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] TTree2 (extensive review!) > > > > > Well, I've had my disks since Friday, listened each through at least once, > > and here's my lenghty review: > > Thanks John for your extensive review of TT#2 (although after finished reading > it I'm still not sure whether you liked it or not ;-) I agree with what you're > saying about Newcastle 1981 (Volume 10) being mechanic and clinically cold. But > if one is in the right mood for it it's always fascinating to hear it > (especially the first 30+ minutes of the 1st set have a special 'cold war' > atmosphere..hard to describe) I don't agree with what you said about Mannheim > 1976 (Volume 13) having 'too many watered-down themes of TT1 and TT8', I think > it's a great concert (but you have to listen to it a couple of times before > coming to this conclusion since the music of Mannheim seems to be much more > improvised than -for example- Nottingham or Berlin 1976) But then again, each of > us has his/her own individual taste about the music of Tangerine Dream :-) > > Heiko > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Armin Theissen Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream A good friend of mine and bandmember lived in Bagdad for three years (worked in the german embassy there). He's much into TD, Schulze etc.. He may have spread some TD in Iraq... ;-) After his Bagdad time he went to Teheran. So don't be surprised... ;-) armin vic rek wrote: > From: Armin Theissen > >>(maybe not so bad for you americans - TD in Las Vegas!) >> > > TD playing in Las Vegas? That's sounds like a great idea. Just imagine the > exposure ;-) > > As for weird dreams, I had my own this morning. > I was at a dinner at one of Saddam Hussein's palaces with a entourage of > American guests. > During the dinner I managed to approach him and ask him if he liked > electronic music and cared to listen to my favorite band Tangerine Dream? > He looked at me strangely and took a long sip on his milkshake. Later at > the end of the dinner as the 'guests' were leaving, he told me that I must > stay. I became very nervous as he and I and his guards walked out to a > large white ambulance parked in the back of his compound. I check the > ambulance to see if it had a CD player and then I double checked that I had > my 'Le Parc' CD in my coat jacket. > > At the point, I hear a knock on my bedroom door, and it's my son asking what > are we having for breakfast. > Darn, I didn't get to find out if I was going to be the first US victim of > the new conflict with Iraq, or if I would be able to crank up some TD as we > sped around in the ambulance and try to convince him that listening to TD > can make the world a better place for all of us. > > Vic > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online Looks nice, I especially liked the photos section. I had expected an update for a long time already! I'd second that comment about reversing the 'next' and 'previous' arrows in the chronological galleries, though... And the color scheme could have been a little more towards tangerine of course. >Also, some release are 'No Longer Available', including Soundmill >Navigator, Sohoman, Canyon Dreams...and most disturbingly, Antique >Dreams, an album I consider to be the best thing they put out since >the original Dream Mixes release. I already got SN and AD, don't care much about Sohoman, but Canyon Dreams unavaivable sounds sad... :( Is there any other company selling this? >Thanks TDi for a great-looking website. And most importantly, that awesome >jukebox feature! Now playing Rubycon pt1 - the perfect mood for reading up >on my favorite band! The jukebox doesn't work for me, what're its system requirements? Should a Mac work? >noted the Joshua Tree... too bad I see thousands of these daily but >still... >I noted it on the viewer... Joshua Tree?!? I tried to search a bit on Google to find out what that means; I only found a National Park and a U2 album.. I don't think you can mean either. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 3:01 pm Subject: com vs org tangerinedream.com was already taken. It's a vintage automobile locator service. I think the whatever gets used for whatever purpose the buyer chooses. Exceptions would be the .edu and .mil and .gov which are reserved for universities, military, and government (all US). The rest seem to go whichever way they want. -----Original Message----- ps I thought dot org was for noncommercial sites..... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35567 Re: com vs org Chris Owen Thu 8/15/2002 3 KB 35572 Re: com vs org Owens, James Thu 8/15/2002 2 KB 35573 Re: com vs org Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Med Thu 8/15/2002 2 KB 35574 Re: com vs org Owens, James Thu 8/15/2002 3 KB 35575 Re: com vs org tei waz Thu 8/15/2002 2 KB 35584 Re: com vs org Armin Theissen Fri 8/16/2002 4 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 3:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Hear outtakes from Klaus Schulzes next box From: Peter Ravn > On http://www.rainhorse.de/ is outtakes from Klaus Schulze's next box set > 'Contemporary Works 2' available. > 6 of 12 outtakes is available now. If you live in the US, I can accept pre-orders for this box set (this helps guarantee that you get the bonus CD too). I also had to lower the cost of my TD CDs since the new TD website has become very competitive in its pricing :) VicRek www.ricochetdream.com From: Mark Filipak Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 5:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Emil Hachfeld Oh my! How sad. Rest in Peace and Love, Emil. I tried the link Peter provided and got a blank page. Would someone be so very kind to translate the German supplied by Dennis. > > Dennis Nigbur wrote: > > > > >>Auch wenn es immer wieder tiefe Einschnitte gibt, wie den > > >>traurigen Todesfall des Trommlers Emil Hachfeld (u. a. TANGERINE > > >>DREAM), der das letzte HORSHAMMER-Konzert bestritt, vervolgen sie > > >>weiterhin beharlich ihr Ziel. So wurde das Label THORSHAMMER > > >>gegründet, (auf dem inzwischen auch internationale Bands vertreten > > >>sind), um die Produktionen unabhängig von äußeren Einflüssen > > >>gestalten zu können, welche Plattenfirma presst schon 190 Gramm > > >>schwere Vinyle für ihre Künstler? Peter Ravn wrote: > > According to http://www.germanrock.de/musiker/h/hachfeld_emil.htm > died he in 2000 - very sadly.... > > Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35585 Re: Emil Hachfeld Dennis Nigbur Fri 8/16/2002 3 KB 35589 Re: Emil Hachfeld richter_arne Fri 8/16/2002 3 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 1:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Emil Hachfeld This is quite a shock about Emil. I had no idea he was no longer with us. I don't wish to be morbid, but does anyone know what caused it?, as he was still relatively young. Let us all think of him and thank him when we listen to 'Tournado' and 'Valentine Wheels' - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Nigbur To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:21 AM Subject: [tadream] Emil Hachfeld This is a small tribute to the late Emil Hachfeld, percussionist with TD between 1997 and 2002. Having noticed the sign of the cross next to his name on the updated TD homepage, here is the only information I could find, from a German live music info page at http://www.konzi-tip.de/news.shtml: From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 1:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream I saw a very unfamiliar-looking TD once in a big hall with barely any audience, playing a very strange set of guitar based jazz fusion. Everyone was commenting they didn't like this new 'direction' of TD's. I decided there and then not to but any CDs that contained this style of music, and couldn't wait for the concert to end. I've also had a few instances where, totally by co-incidence, I've walked into a cafe and sat there at a table are Edgar and Jerome. All I could do was curse the fact I didn't have anything on me that they could sign! And years ago, TD were doing a concert in my old sixth-form rest room! How cool was that? Oh, by the way, in case you hadn't guessed, these were all dreams. - Chris Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35583 Re: Weird Dream Marko Marin Fri 8/16/2002 2 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 1:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] com vs org How could someone else use the words 'tangerine dream'? Don't TDI have the trademark on the name? - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Owens, James To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 8:01 AM Subject: [tadream] com vs org > tangerinedream.com was already taken. It's a vintage automobile locator > service. > > I think the whatever gets used for whatever purpose the buyer chooses. > Exceptions would be the .edu and .mil and .gov which are reserved for > universities, military, and government (all US). The rest seem to go > whichever way they want. > > -----Original Message----- > > ps I thought dot org was for noncommercial sites..... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 2:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online There seems to be a problem with the online shop too. After entering my country and payment method, I clicked 'continue' as prompted, but the next page says that my cart is currently empty, even though there's a CD clearly displayed in it. I tried four times too. Has anyone else used the shop yet? Did you experience this problem? Just teething problems I hope. - Chris From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 6:04 pm Subject: Copyright >How could someone else use the words 'tangerine dream'? Don't TDI have the >trademark on the name? >-Chris Owen Copyrights apply to specific markets. I cannot come out with my own soda called Coca-Cola or my own facial tissue called Kleenex. But nobody can stop me from coming out with a car called the 'Xerox'. Also the numbering matters. The Porsche was originally supposed to be the 901 but Peugeot fought them in court and won, so they had to call it the 911. As for TD, there is Tangerine Dream ice cream, for instance. It is in a totally different market. Finally, to add confusion, copyrights on a movie title or music CD are peculiar. I can come out with a movie called 'Terminator' or 'Jurassic Park' tomorrow and nobody can stop me, unless I steal the specific design and typography of the logo and artworks used. I firmly disagree with TD moving to a non-profit organization domain 'tangerinedream.org'. The already www.tadream.de, www.tangerinedream.de, www.tdi-music-mall.de, and www.groundliftaz.de. Hopefully the location at the .org domain is temporary. -Morgan From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 6:04 pm Subject: Firestarter: Rekindled on Groove.nl This is not an advertisement. Actually it's a disadvertisement. An entry has appeared on Groove.nl for 'BREAKING NEWS' 'Tangerine Dream - FIRESTARTER: REKINDLED (DVD) 21064 ' and the individual entry for it is: 'FIRESTARTER: REKINDLED (DVD) 21064 / ? 21.75 2002. PAL, Zone 2. Rel.date: Oct 14 2002' under the Tangerine Dream section. Firestarter: Rekindled (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0297120) is a made-for-TV movie produced in 2002 with original music by Randy Miller. If you visit the IMDB site above, click on (more) under Cast and Crew for the more detailed list. To my knowledge, there is no TD music in this movie. -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35578 Re: Firestarter: Rekindled on Groove.nl Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Thu 8/15/2002 3 KB 35588 Re: Firestarter: Rekindled on Groove.nl Wade Gordon Fri 8/16/2002 3 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 2:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online Cheap CDs certainly, but $7.20 to mail one from Germany to the UK? Ouch. - Chris From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 6:13 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] com vs org If you go to Tangerinedream.com you will see a Porsche painted in the 'tangerine dream' color. While I would expect legal action against an upstart band who decided to use the name 'Tangerine Dream', I rather doubt that TDI would have any reasonable claim against auto dealers, dune-buggy manufacturers, or even Canadian strippers! James -----Original Message----- From: Chris Owen [mailto:chris@o...] How could someone else use the words 'tangerine dream'? Don't TDI have the trademark on the name? From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 6:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] com vs org ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Owens, James' > I think the whatever gets used for whatever purpose the buyer chooses. > Exceptions would be the .edu and .mil and .gov which are reserved for > universities, military, and government (all US). Non-US entities can also use .edu/gov/mil org were originally for nonprofit organisations but as with com and net, it's use has been watered down so anyone can use it for any purpose. Glenn From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 6:53 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] com vs org My bank (which is a Federal Credit Union) has a .org address: www.redfcu.org -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media [mailto:glenn@f...] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 1:24 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] com vs org ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Owens, James' > I think the whatever gets used for whatever purpose the buyer chooses. > Exceptions would be the .edu and .mil and .gov which are reserved for > universities, military, and government (all US). Non-US entities can also use .edu/gov/mil org were originally for nonprofit organisations but as with com and net, it's use has been watered down so anyone can use it for any purpose. Glenn ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 8:00 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] com vs org From: 'Owens, James' My bank (which is a Federal Credit Union) has a .org address: www.redfcu.org as a nonprofit dot org is as it should be..... --T _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 8:00 pm Subject: New file uploaded to tadream Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the tadream group. File : /TT2/TT2-20020815-1258-supplier.pdf Uploaded by : bigstupidgeek Description : TT2 update by supplier You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/TT2/TT2-20020815-1258-supplier.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, bigstupidgeek From: Art Of Vision Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 9:05 pm Subject: Re: TTree2 (extensive review!) >Well, I've had my disks since Friday, >listened each through at least once, >and here's my lenghty review: This review is marvellous, John! Very picturesque. I imagined the music while reading it, sometimes almost heared it in my ears - it'll be fine to compare it with the original... thanks! ArtOfVision __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From: Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 10:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Firestarter: Rekindled on Groove.nl At 13:04 15-8-02 -0500, you wrote: >This is not an advertisement. Actually it's a disadvertisement. > >An entry has appeared on Groove.nl for > >'BREAKING NEWS' >'Tangerine Dream - FIRESTARTER: REKINDLED (DVD) 21064 ' > >and the individual entry for it is: > >'FIRESTARTER: REKINDLED (DVD) 21064 / ? 21.75 2002. PAL, Zone 2. Rel.date: >Oct 14 2002' >under the Tangerine Dream section. > >Firestarter: Rekindled (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0297120) is a made-for-TV >movie produced in 2002 with original music by Randy Miller. > >If you visit the IMDB site above, click on (more) under Cast and Crew for >the more detailed list. > >To my knowledge, there is no TD music in this movie. > >-Morgan Thanks for the info. I was told that it was the TD version. We have removed it. Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten, Kees GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music) Kees Aerts PO Box 2171 8203 AD Lelystad the Netherlands Tel: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910 http://www.groove.nl Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35588 Re: Firestarter: Rekindled on Groove.nl Wade Gordon Fri 8/16/2002 3 KB From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 11:56 pm Subject: New file uploaded to tadream Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the tadream group. File : /TT2/disks/disks-y.htm Uploaded by : bigstupidgeek Description : temporary disks description You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/TT2/disks/disks-y.htm To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, bigstupidgeek From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 1:30 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Weird Dream From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] > >Last night I had a dream that Cher was singing 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'... >Has anyone ever really had an opposite kind of a dream? For I sure do. I've seen at least half a dozen of dreams where I hear some new great music by someone (usually TD, but JMJ has gotten one appearence too), and when I awake, I don't sadly remember at all what it was like... Actually, about 10 years ago, I dreamed a dream ('what can it mean?') that I was hosting Saturday Night Live, and the musical guests were Tangerine Dream with David Sanborn on sax. They played the two Destination Berlin pieces in the same fashion as on 'In Den Gaertens Pharaos'. (I can only remember being in one skit with Chris Farley...) - jim From: 'colin anderson' Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 4:28 am Subject: Re: Logos Remix Double take or what!! The first 30 seconds of this is classic Human League, circa Dare. Have a listen and you'll see what I mean. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:58:16 +0200 From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Subject: Logos remix http://www.oxygene65.freeserve.co.uk/music.htm There's a eurotrance remix of Logos on that page, made by James Munro in London Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35582 Re: Logos Remix Admin Fri 8/16/2002 3 KB 35587 Re: Logos Remix Greg Fri 8/16/2002 2 KB 35592 Re: Logos Remix Administrator Fri 8/16/2002 3 KB 35606 Re: Logos Remix odean@m... Sun 8/18/2002 2 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 4:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Logos Remix Human League style was in your face synth. Typical of the 80's run. Logos was not. To be fair, I will take some time tomorrow and check this out. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'colin anderson' To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 9:28 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Logos Remix > Double take or what!! The first 30 seconds of this is classic Human League, circa Dare. Have a listen and you'll see what I mean. > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:58:16 +0200 > From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' > Subject: Logos remix > > http://www.oxygene65.freeserve.co.uk/music.htm > > There's a eurotrance remix of Logos on that page, made by James Munro in > London > > Glenn > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Marko Marin Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 6:51 am Subject: [tadream] Re: Weird Dream I never had any TD-dreams so I guess I'm the only normal person here, you freaks! :-) Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 9:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] com vs org ...and there was a 'Tangerine Dream' motel somewhere in the US, and a 'Tangerine Dream' pin up girl site... a. Chris Owen wrote: > How could someone else use the words 'tangerine dream'? Don't TDI have the > trademark on the name? > > - Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Owens, James > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 8:01 AM > Subject: [tadream] com vs org > > > >>tangerinedream.com was already taken. It's a vintage automobile locator >>service. >> >>I think the whatever gets used for whatever purpose the buyer >> > chooses. > >>Exceptions would be the .edu and .mil and .gov which are reserved for >>universities, military, and government (all US). The rest seem to go >>whichever way they want. >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>ps I thought dot org was for noncommercial sites..... >> >> >>----------------------------------------------------_- >>To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>----------------------------------------------------_- >>Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >>http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ >> >>Tangerine Tree info at >>http://www.tadream.net/tree >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> >> > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 9:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Emil Hachfeld Here's the translation, Mark. I was a bit too shocked yesterday to bother with it. On 15 Aug 2002 at 13:08, Mark Filipak wrote: > Oh my! How sad. Rest in Peace and Love, Emil. > > I tried the link Peter provided and got a blank page. Would someone be > so very kind to translate the German supplied by Dennis. > > > >>Auch wenn es immer wieder tiefe Einschnitte gibt, wie den > > > >>traurigen Todesfall des Trommlers Emil Hachfeld (u. a. TANGERINE > > > >>DREAM), der das letzte HORSHAMMER-Konzert bestritt, vervolgen > > > >>sie weiterhin beharlich ihr Ziel. So wurde das Label THORSHAMMER > > > >>gegründet, (auf dem inzwischen auch internationale Bands > > > >>vertreten sind), um die Produktionen unabhängig von äußeren > > > >>Einflüssen gestalten zu können, welche Plattenfirma presst schon > > > >>190 Gramm schwere Vinyle für ihre Künstler? 'Despite repeated upheavals, such as the sad death of the drummer Emil Hachfeld (e.g. TANGERINE DREAM), who played the last THORSHAMMER concert, they keep pursuing their aims doggedly. So the label THORSHAMMER was founded (on which international bands are now represented as well) to produce independently of external influence; which record label would press vinyls of 190 grammes for their artists, after all?' Since all of this has little or no relevance to Emil or TD except a brief mention, I think you'll understand why I didn't consider the translation worthwhile at the time. This snippet about Thor's Hammer was simply the only Hachfeld-related entry I could find. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35589 Re: Emil Hachfeld richter_arne Fri 8/16/2002 3 KB From: David Hughes Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 10:06 am Subject: InfectionInstruments Newsletter No. 005 Hello, It's been a busy two weeks and work on the General Development System has continued at a very healthy pace. Membership of the discussion group continues to grow and, as of last night, we've reached 46 members. A warm welcome to all of those newcomers to the list. In the last newsletter (004, 02-Aug-02) we were able to demonstrate the prototype version of Zeit playing sequences from memory with the MIDI velocity modified by a software-derived low frequency oscillator. Since then, Zeit has expanded quite a bit and the prototype system now features an eight channel potentiometer board, rotary encoder inputs, four switches and the all-important tempo LED. These were all constructed on stripboard and they look a bit rough and ready but they at least give us the opportunity to develop software very rapidly. There are a collection of video snaps over on the web page for those who are interested. The quality of these snaps is a major disappointment to us and we'll be investing in a decent quality digital camera in a couple of weeks. So, what can Zeit do at the moment? The best way to demonstrate this is to have a listen to some of the samples over on the InfectionInstruments web pages (http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk). Zeit is able to play eight note sequences on one MIDI channel, with transposition, synchronised to an external MIDI clock. We ran the prototype from a Yamaha RM1x Rhythm Re-sequencer at it's maximum tempo of 300 bpm for two hours and Zeit was still playing properly with no stuck notes or unusual system problems. When we first started to experiment with the eight pitch knobs it became immediately obvious that, such was the coarse resolution of the potentiometers, finding an accurate pitch was quite difficult. The next step was to write the force-to-scale routines and to limit the effective range of the pitch knobs in software. The video snaps illustrate force-to-scale and transposition in action. The sequencer is set up to play a major scale so that, when a knob is turned, the resulting MIDI Note numbers always fall in a major key. Press a key on the MIDI keyboard and the sequence is transposed but the notes played still remain in a major key. My favourite example of this technique is the ChurchOrgan sample. I've uploaded seven samples in total which should demonstrate some of the capabilities of the sequencer. Have a listen and let me know what you think. That's all for now. I'm on holiday in two weeks time so the next newsletter may be a couple of days late. Best wishes David -- Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/tbassuk From: 'Greg' Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 1:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Logos Remix This sounds more like a regression of things than a progression... Greg H. NP: FSOL: The Isness From: Wade Gordon Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Firestarter: Rekindled on Groove.nl You are absolutely correct sir. This is pure and simple hype or if you perfer B.S. Wade --- Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited wrote: > At 13:04 15-8-02 -0500, you wrote: > >This is not an advertisement. Actually it's a > disadvertisement. > > > >An entry has appeared on Groove.nl for > > > >'BREAKING NEWS' > >'Tangerine Dream - FIRESTARTER: REKINDLED (DVD) > 21064 ' > > > >and the individual entry for it is: > > > >'FIRESTARTER: REKINDLED (DVD) 21064 / ? 21.75 > 2002. PAL, Zone 2. Rel.date: > >Oct 14 2002' > >under the Tangerine Dream section. > > > >Firestarter: Rekindled > (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0297120) is a made-for-TV > >movie produced in 2002 with original music by Randy > Miller. > > > >If you visit the IMDB site above, click on (more) > under Cast and Crew for > >the more detailed list. > > > >To my knowledge, there is no TD music in this > movie. > > > >-Morgan > > Thanks for the info. I was told that it was the TD > version. > We have removed it. > > > Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten, > > Kees > > GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music) > Kees Aerts > PO Box 2171 > 8203 AD Lelystad > the Netherlands > Tel: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910 > http://www.groove.nl > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From: 'richter_arne' Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 2:59 pm Subject: Re: Emil Hachfeld It seems that Emil also played with a band called 'Lord Bishop's Rockadelic Kings'. Here is what I found at http://www.lobby.ie/profiles/rockadelickings.html ======= 'Lord Bishop's Rockadelic Kings' were founded in late summer of 1999 by cult hero rock freak Lord Bishop from New York City with Paul 'Lion' Sinclair (bass, flute and harmonica player from London).The musical idea was to vibe a mixture of Hard Rock, Funk, Soul Reggae and tons of chaos with a big fat groove. For that they found drummer Emil Hachfeld from Berlin. The threesome approached the art of music in a non mainstream direction but not getting away from the seductive hooks and catchy lyrics that ooze through your head and never leave. The first album 'Revolution 2000' was released in March 2000 and the first tour led them all through Germany, The Netherlands, Belgium, England, Ireland, Poland and the Czech Republic. But after this successful start fate struck back - drummer Emil Hachfeld died. The decision if and how to go on or not had to be made quickly because a ten hour show was just about to happen. The decision that 'you have to rock on' came with Rich 'Chicken Rock' Bryant who replaced Emil during the 'Sex, Drugs and Punk n Roll Tour' - to the relief of the Rock Kings fans. From: Paul Fellows Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 3:10 pm Subject: [tadream] Deadly Care VHS Hi all, Not all of you may know that Deadly Care exists on VHS, well here is the proof: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/films/webpages/deadlycare.html Cheers Paul From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 3:25 pm Subject: Tangerine Dreams I dreamt last night that I was able to go back to an 82 concert with my digital camera. :) -Morgan From: 'Administrator' Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 5:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Logos Remix A regression is only progression in reverse. If you want, you can take the midi file, reverse it (add some backward masking) and call it regression if you want. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Greg' To: Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Logos Remix > This sounds more like a regression of things than a progression... > > Greg H. > > NP: FSOL: The Isness > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 5:50 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream's radio appearance I don't know how you make a appearance on the radio but this was on the EM list.. Cross post Please go to www.lougentile.com to see new information on Tangerine Dream's radio appearance. Tim Rivers dale Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35607 TD concert ticket stubs Paul Fellows Sun 8/18/2002 3 KB 35608 Re: TD concert ticket stubs Chris Owen Sun 8/18/2002 4 KB 35611 TD concert ticket stubs Klaus Beschorner Sun 8/18/2002 3 KB 35612 Re: TD concert ticket stubs Admin Sun 8/18/2002 3 KB 35614 Re: TD concert ticket stubs Admin Sun 8/18/2002 4 KB 35615 Re: TD concert ticket stubs atye@a... Sun 8/18/2002 2 KB 35628 Re: TD concert ticket stubs tei waz Mon 8/19/2002 2 KB 35629 Re: TD concert ticket stubs Chris Owen Mon 8/19/2002 2 KB 35631 Re: TD concert ticket stubs Administrator Mon 8/19/2002 3 KB From: 'tadream' Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 7:27 pm Subject: Re: Logos remix Love it, Love it Love it. And yes, it DOES start out like classic Human League from the 'Dare' era just like he said. Thanks guys From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 2:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Emil Hachfeld Hi Everyone, Wow, I can't believe that Emil was so busy with different groups like that. That's impressive! I'm currently working with two different groups (playing drums with one and keyboards with the other) and my solo stuff, but at least it's all locally. This is while having a regular job, but still Emil's workload was more impressive as my one group is just barely starting, and the other one is just trying to play out somewhere. I remember when I first heard that TD was taking on Emil as a percussionist, I was excited and was hoping that he was going to become a main part of the group with some writing involvement. I would have rather seen him take on all the drumming, but thought his additions to what was already there were quite good. I'm sorry I was never able to see a TD show with him in it. So was Emil's last public appearance with TD the Osnabruek 1999 Mars Polaris show? I may have to listen to that show again (I haven't in quite some time). If he really did pass away a couple of years ago, it's really sad we never heard about it until now. I guess that would explain why he hasn't been with TD recently (not knocking Iris, though). Is he the first TD musician (past or present) to pass away? And I wonder why there was never any explicit mention of his passing on TD's website (other than the cross next to his name on the one picture)? Just some things I was thinking about. Going back to lurking... :-) Regards, Dave B. -----Original Message----- From: richter_arne To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 16, 2002 8:00 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Emil Hachfeld >It seems that Emil also played with a band called 'Lord Bishop's >Rockadelic Kings'. Here is what I found at > >http://www.lobby.ie/profiles/rockadelickings.html > From: 'vic rek' Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 2:09 am Subject: Peter Baumann - Romance '76 Does anyone have an original CD of Peter Baumann's Romance '76 for sale or trade? I'm trying to help out a friend in Poland that is dying to get this release. This must be an original CD of course. Also, I am looking for Peter Baumann 7' singles from France - these will be tough to find. BTW, I still consider Romance '76 as one of the top EM albums of all time! Talk to me off-list if you can help. Thanks. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35599 Re: Peter Baumann - Romance '76 Gustavo Jobim Sat 8/17/2002 2 KB 35875 Re: Peter Baumann - Romance '76 piotr3 piotr3sulas Tue 9/3/2002 3 KB From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 11:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Emil Hachfeld I am saddened and still find it unbelievable on hearing this news 2 days ago. Still remember vividly meeting and shaking hands with Zlatoko and Emil after the Neu-Isenburg show. They were both very friendly. At one moment I was poking fun at Emil as he had to deliberately slowed down the drumming (compared to other TD compositions) during 'Warsaw In The Sun'. Yes I was listening to his drumming on Tournado the other day and my mind was empty for quite a while. How sad, we lost a young man of energy. Peace Jeffrey >From: 'Chris Owen' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] Emil Hachfeld >Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:40:57 -0700 > >This is quite a shock about Emil. I had no idea he was no longer with us. I >don't wish to be morbid, but does anyone know what caused it?, as he was >still relatively young. > >Let us all think of him and thank him when we listen to 'Tournado' and >'Valentine Wheels' > >- Chris > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Dennis Nigbur >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:21 AM >Subject: [tadream] Emil Hachfeld > > >This is a small tribute to the late Emil Hachfeld, percussionist with TD >between 1997 and 2002. > >Having noticed the sign of the cross next to his name on the updated >TD homepage, here is the only information I could find, from a German >live music info page at http://www.konzi-tip.de/news.shtml: > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 1:55 pm Subject: Re: Green Desert & missing Peter / Buddhism (off-topic) Mark Only noticed your post now... I doubt if Peter really studied Zen Buddhism there: Zen Meditation is not really taught in Tibet today. 'Zen' is Japanese buddhism derived from the Chinese 'Chan' buddhism. Buddhism in Tibet is specifically known as 'Tibetan esoteric buddhism', consisting mainly of Gelug, Sakya, Kagyu and the Nyingma schools. In the 8th Century, there was a big debate between the 'Chan' monk Mo-ho-yen from China and Kamalasila from India. History records that Mo-ho-yen lost the debate, and as a result 'Chan' (or 'Zen' Buddhism) lost ground in Tibet. Later, tantric (esoteric) buddhism was brought from India by Padmasambhava, Atisa etc and became the 'mainstream'. Then with the religious reform of Tsong Ka-pa in the 14th Century, the Gelug school (which Dalai Lama belongs) was established the leading school until today. AFAIK, in tibet, many (or at considerable) buddhists have a rather negative feeling when they hear 'Zen' or 'Chan' buddhism. Hope this off-topic isn't too boring. Jeffrey >From: Mark Filipak >>You're confused, Armin -- understandable. You're thinking of March, 1975, >> >when Peter went to Lhasa to study Zen meditation and Michael Hoenig >> >filled in for the Australasian Tour. > > >Ciao -- Mark > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Peter Baumann - Romance '76 >Does anyone have an original CD of Peter Baumann's Romance '76 for sale or >trade? Does it exist? >BTW, I still consider Romance '76 as one of the top EM albums of all time! Sure is. I don't play it as often as I should though. I also like Transharmonic Nights very much. >Talk to me off-list if you can help. Thanks. >Vic Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'michael_berling' Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:03 pm Subject: VitN updated Hi all, just to inform you: VitN has just been updated again with some bug fixes and additional data. Please check the News section for details. BTW, VitN is online now for a about one year, and more than 7,100 people have visited it by now (or, most probably, much less people have visited it more than once...) I suppose the site will become even more popular now that TD have finally added a direct link to VitN on their new site. Thanks to you, Martin -- I suppose you've been involved in this wise decision... ;-) I'd like to say thank you to all list members who have supported the site so far -- you know who you are! Regards Michael From: 'michael_berling' Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:26 pm Subject: VitN updated Hi all, just to inform you: VitN has just been updated again with some bug fixes and additional data. Please check the News section for details. BTW, VitN is online now for a about one year, and more than 7,100 people have visited it by now (or, most probably, much less people have visited it more than once...) I suppose the site will become even more popular now that TD have finally added a direct link to VitN on their new site. Thanks to you, Martin -- I suppose you've been involved in this wise decision... ;-) I'd like to say thank you to all list members who have supported the site so far -- you know who you are! Regards Michael Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35603 Re: VitN updated michael_berling Sat 8/17/2002 2 KB From: 'michael_berling' Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:36 pm Subject: Some TT2 remarks Hi all, I'd like to say thank you to everyone who was involved in the making of TT 2 -- TD for their great music, those who recorded the tapes decades ago, Heiko the tree-man himself, those who did the fine remastering, those who did the fantastic artwork, and those who provided the technical support (database, ftp, shn and so on). And thanks to those I forgot to mention, of course. This TD community once again succeeded to create one of the finest TD fan projects ever. Though I was so lucky to receive my SHN disks very early, I've not yet managed to listen to all the concerts due to constant lack of time -- and I need time to listen carefully ('But listen carefully and this key is yours - for we can lead you far beyond that door')... Well, those concerts I've listened to by now are really great -- especially for me, being a fan of the early eighties line-up with Johannes! I appreciate the artwork very much, and I suppose I have to buy a color printer eventually... The artwork is in style so similar to that of official TD records... There are even those small mistakes that make them real TD covers... ;-) Some errors I've found so far: On Volume 11 poor Steve is misspelled once again -- this time Joliffe instead of Jolliffe. (Even worse: I've overlooked myself a mistake in the SHN text files where he is named Stefe instead of Steve). On Volume 12, the Track 'Logos VI' is missing the word 'Part', and on Volume 15&16 Gerald Gradwohl is misspelled Gradwool. And on the backside of Volume 15 Emil Hachfeld has a post-mortem appearance on the line-up photo -- well, I think it's meant as a kind of tribute, though at that time we didn't know that he had passed away... Regards Michael Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35604 Re: Some TT2 remarks John Vertical Sat 8/17/2002 2 KB 35609 Re: Some TT2 remarks michael_berling Sun 8/18/2002 2 KB 35610 Re: Some TT2 remarks Gustavo Jobim Sun 8/18/2002 2 KB 35617 Re: Some TT2 remarks Marko Marin Mon 8/19/2002 2 KB 35618 Relationship btw Edgar and Chris Marko Marin Mon 8/19/2002 4 KB 35619 About movies and music Marko Marin Mon 8/19/2002 4 KB 35621 Re: Some TT2 remarks John Vertical Mon 8/19/2002 2 KB 35622 Re: Some TT2 remarks Marko Marin Mon 8/19/2002 2 KB From: 'michael_berling' Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:40 pm Subject: Re: VitN updated --- In tadream@y..., 'michael_berling' wrote: > Hi all, > > just to inform you: Sorry about the duplicate post -- don't know how this happened... I didn't want to spam... ;-) Michael From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 6:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Some TT2 remarks >Some errors I've found so far: On Volume 11 poor Steve is misspelled >once again -- this time Joliffe instead of Jolliffe. Waitwaitwait. You mean he isn't Jollife with only one f? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35609 Re: Some TT2 remarks michael_berling Sun 8/18/2002 2 KB 35610 Re: Some TT2 remarks Gustavo Jobim Sun 8/18/2002 2 KB 35617 Re: Some TT2 remarks Marko Marin Mon 8/19/2002 2 KB 35618 Relationship btw Edgar and Chris Marko Marin Mon 8/19/2002 4 KB 35619 About movies and music Marko Marin Mon 8/19/2002 4 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 10:12 pm Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for August 17, 2002 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown on 91.7 FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #6 August 17, 2002. RECAP: I started with spacemusic and moved through some eclectic genres of music, ending with some progressive rock. Along the way, I played the music of a band that will be appearing at the Progday festival in Chapel Hill, North Carolina on August 31 and September 1. I will return to The AM/FM Show on August 31. PLAYLIST: Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== vidnaObmana and I The Shifts Recyclings Asmus Tiechens (Soleilmoon) VA [Ministry of Inside While the Rest of the The Gatherings (Synkronos) Things] World Sleeps VA [Bionaut] Astral Unraveller The Gatherings (Synkronos) Navigator Flashing Blue Oceanic Empire (Groove) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Trammell Starks The Castle Gate A Trilogy Fantasy (St. Clair) Linisfarne This Too Will Pass Lindisfarne Acoustic (none) Eva Cassidy I Wandered By A Brookside Time After Time (Blix Street) Erik Wollo Rainbows Guitar Nove (Spotted Peccary) Armen Chakmakian Gypsy Rain Ceremonies (Tru Art) Willy Porter If Love Were An Airplane Willy Porter (Six Degrees) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Porcupine Tree Strip the Soul Sampler 2002.3 (Lava) Porcupine Tree Slave Called Shiver Stupid Dream (K Scope) VA [IZZ] Oh, How It's Great Progday 2002 (Progday) Transatlantic Duel With The Devil Bridge Across Forever (InsideOut) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) Bill =============================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiy.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: odean@m... Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 1:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Logos Remix At 09:28 PM 8/15/02, you wrote: >Double take or what!! The first 30 seconds of this is classic Human >League, circa Dare. Have a listen and you'll see what I mean. >________________________________________________________________________ >________________________________________________________________________ Yes, the bassline is very reminiscent of The Sound of the Crowd. From: Paul Fellows Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 3:58 pm Subject: [tadream] TD concert ticket stubs Hi all, An idea occurred to me today whilst looking through the files uploaded to the Tadream site. As a lot of you will know, I have a comprehensive list of concerts given by TD on my site. There is often discussion on this list about the accuracy of certain dates, which when you think about it is rather surprising because surely hundreds or even thousands of people must have been present at pretty much every concert they gave after Phaedra made it into the UK charts. I don't know about you but I preciously guard my TD concert ticket stubs. So why doesn't each member of this list post scans or photocopies or whatever of the tickets for concerts they have attended? Surely as there are somewhere between 400-500 subscribers, we should be able to come up with a large body of information proving that these concerts actually took place and on a certain date. The objective of this exercise would be to add a link to each scan next to each date as a real proof that this concert really took place. The ultimate concert database if you like. So how about it y'all? Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35608 Re: TD concert ticket stubs Chris Owen Sun 8/18/2002 4 KB 35611 TD concert ticket stubs Klaus Beschorner Sun 8/18/2002 3 KB 35612 Re: TD concert ticket stubs Admin Sun 8/18/2002 3 KB 35614 Re: TD concert ticket stubs Admin Sun 8/18/2002 4 KB 35615 Re: TD concert ticket stubs atye@a... Sun 8/18/2002 2 KB 35628 Re: TD concert ticket stubs tei waz Mon 8/19/2002 2 KB 35629 Re: TD concert ticket stubs Chris Owen Mon 8/19/2002 2 KB 35631 Re: TD concert ticket stubs Administrator Mon 8/19/2002 3 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 12:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD concert ticket stubs Sounds like a good idea to me Paul. Wouldn't it be great if we could amass at least one ticket from every single TD concert? It'd prove a great asset to any concert archive. As a tour 'veteran' since UK 1986, count me in! - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Fellows To: Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 8:58 AM Subject: [tadream] TD concert ticket stubs > Hi all, > > An idea occurred to me today whilst looking through the files uploaded to > the Tadream site. > > As a lot of you will know, I have a comprehensive list of concerts given by > TD on my site. There is often discussion on this list about the accuracy of > certain dates, which when you think about it is rather surprising because > surely hundreds or even thousands of people must have been present at pretty > much every concert they gave after Phaedra made it into the UK charts. I > don't know about you but I preciously guard my TD concert ticket stubs. > > So why doesn't each member of this list post scans or photocopies or > whatever of the tickets for concerts they have attended? Surely as there > are somewhere between 400-500 subscribers, we should be able to come up with > a large body of information proving that these concerts actually took place > and on a certain date. > > The objective of this exercise would be to add a link to each scan next to > each date as a real proof that this concert really took place. The ultimate > concert database if you like. > > So how about it y'all? > > Paul > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'michael_berling' Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 5:48 pm Subject: Re: Some TT2 remarks Hi John, --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > >Some errors I've found so far: On Volume 11 poor Steve is misspelled > >once again -- this time Joliffe instead of Jolliffe. > > > Waitwaitwait. You mean he isn't Jollife with only one f? > > John Vertical Well, I've seen all four variations so far, but the only correct spelling is the luxury version including two l and two f... Michael Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35610 Re: Some TT2 remarks Gustavo Jobim Sun 8/18/2002 2 KB 35617 Re: Some TT2 remarks Marko Marin Mon 8/19/2002 2 KB 35618 Relationship btw Edgar and Chris Marko Marin Mon 8/19/2002 4 KB 35619 About movies and music Marko Marin Mon 8/19/2002 4 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 6:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Some TT2 remarks hmm. I thought it was Dzsólíf. Isn't he Hungarian? ;) >Well, I've seen all four variations so far, but the only correct >spelling is the luxury version including two l and two f... >Michael Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35617 Re: Some TT2 remarks Marko Marin Mon 8/19/2002 2 KB 35618 Relationship btw Edgar and Chris Marko Marin Mon 8/19/2002 4 KB 35619 About movies and music Marko Marin Mon 8/19/2002 4 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 8:25 pm Subject: TD concert ticket stubs Paul, great idea, just don't take the stubs as the sole, ultimate proof. More than one concert has been moved on very, very short notice, to another venue, or another date, with the original tickets remaining valid. So, the ultimate proof, should be a stub + eyewitness statement. That is, second-hand , bought-at-fleamarkets stubs are just a (whatever percentage below 100%) proof. My own, personal experience here is Kraftwerk in Böblingen, 1982. All the tickets, concert previews etc. say 'Sporthalle', but it was moved, just by a sign at the entrance of the Sporthalle, to Kongresshalle. Reason was obvious - less than 300 people attended. Even some (obviously 'remote') concert reviews in papers mentioned 'Sporthalle' as the venue ;-) cheers, klaus From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 8:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD concert ticket stubs I will see if I can find my own. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Fellows' To: Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 8:58 AM Subject: [tadream] TD concert ticket stubs > Hi all, > > An idea occurred to me today whilst looking through the files uploaded to > the Tadream site. > > As a lot of you will know, I have a comprehensive list of concerts given by > TD on my site. There is often discussion on this list about the accuracy of > certain dates, which when you think about it is rather surprising because > surely hundreds or even thousands of people must have been present at pretty > much every concert they gave after Phaedra made it into the UK charts. I > don't know about you but I preciously guard my TD concert ticket stubs. > > So why doesn't each member of this list post scans or photocopies or > whatever of the tickets for concerts they have attended? Surely as there > are somewhere between 400-500 subscribers, we should be able to come up with > a large body of information proving that these concerts actually took place > and on a certain date. > > The objective of this exercise would be to add a link to each scan next to > each date as a real proof that this concert really took place. The ultimate > concert database if you like. > > So how about it y'all? > > Paul > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 9:07 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #282 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #282 August 15, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Hemisphere, a band from Germany known for dark electronic ambient excursions. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Inversion' on the Groove label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Shadows of Light' by the Nightcrawlers on the Synkronos label. Hemisphere http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#aug PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm The NightCrawlers In a Distant Corridor Shadows of Light (Synkronos) The NightCrawlers Inerlude I Shadows of Light (Synkronos) The NightCrawlers Glimmer Shadows of Light (Synkronos) Rudy Adrian Kuiper Belt Starfields (Groove) Navigator The Journey Oceanic Empire (Groove) The Circular Ruins Echoes from Stone Part 2 Realm of Possibility (Databloem) Frank Van Bogaert Ballet Human (Groove) Rudy Adrian Space Border Partol Starfields (Groove) 12:00 am Hemisphere Psychodelic Friends Inversion (Groove) Create Hemisphere A New Point of View Inversion (Groove) Hemisphere The Inversion of Mind Inversion (Groove) Hemisphere It's a Way Shamans Go Inversion (Groove) Hemisphere Singing the Crazy Inversion (Groove) Hemisphere Song of Tranceformation Inversion (Groove) Hemisphere Looking Deep Inside Inversion (Groove) Hemisphere Tasting Nothingness Inversion (Groove) Hemisphere There is No Secret Inversion (Groove) Hemisphere Only Certitude That Inversion (Groove) Hemisphere Black and White Belongs Inversion (Groove) Together * 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Hemisphere. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Now' on the Groove label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Bhakti Point' by Richard Burmer on the Fortuna label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiy.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 9:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD concert ticket stubs 'An Evening with Tangerine Dream' Universal Amphitheatre Thursday June 5, 1986 8:15 pm Sec 15, row J seat 11 I also have the North American Tour Book. Has lots of interesting photos. Paul, Chris, Edgar, Peter and Johannes collection from 1974 to 1986 line up. Most notable to me are Edgar and Chris leaning on each other title 'Blues Brothers' BW Edgar with a picture of Marylyn Monroe in back ground called 'New York' Color Edgar in the Mojave desert near a sign that says no hunting, dress cowboy style Color Edgar at a Warsaw concert, which doesn't look cold Color Edgar with Guitar in hand at Oxford Concert 1986 Color There are more photos of the Oxford and Olympia Concert (Paris). From what I remember, the set up there was similar to Universal. I think the Universal was more cramped that the others. There you go, still want scan of stub? dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Fellows' To: Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 8:58 AM Subject: [tadream] TD concert ticket stubs > Hi all, > > An idea occurred to me today whilst looking through the files uploaded to > the Tadream site. > > As a lot of you will know, I have a comprehensive list of concerts given by > TD on my site. There is often discussion on this list about the accuracy of > certain dates, which when you think about it is rather surprising because > surely hundreds or even thousands of people must have been present at pretty > much every concert they gave after Phaedra made it into the UK charts. I > don't know about you but I preciously guard my TD concert ticket stubs. > > So why doesn't each member of this list post scans or photocopies or > whatever of the tickets for concerts they have attended? Surely as there > are somewhere between 400-500 subscribers, we should be able to come up with > a large body of information proving that these concerts actually took place > and on a certain date. > > The objective of this exercise would be to add a link to each scan next to > each date as a real proof that this concert really took place. The ultimate > concert database if you like. > > So how about it y'all? > > Paul > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: atye@a... Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 11:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD concert ticket stubs September 13, 1988 Center Stage Theater Atlanta, GA I also still have the T-Shirt (Optical Race running man), although it immediately shrank to 60% of it's original size. I was sorta new to the TD ranks and shoulda bought a LOT more at the souvenir table. Here's a scan for the archives. I attended and the info is correct. http://members.aol.com/atye/88\ _td_stub.jpg I believe that I also have a small preview/review of the band from the Atlanta paper. I'm sure it was the standard press release for the tour. Enjoy, ATYE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 1:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1462 You can count me in as well. I still have my two ticket stubs from the Sarasota AND Miami dates in 1988. Neal Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:58:38 +0200 From: Paul Fellows Subject: TD concert ticket stubs Hi all, An idea occurred to me today whilst looking through the files uploaded to the Tadream site. As a lot of you will know, I have a comprehensive list of concerts given by TD on my site. There is often discussion on this list about the accuracy of certain dates, which when you think about it is rather surprising because surely hundreds or even thousands of people must have been present at pretty much every concert they gave after Phaedra made it into the UK charts. I don't know about you but I preciously guard my TD concert ticket stubs. So why doesn't each member of this list post scans or photocopies or whatever of the tickets for concerts they have attended? Surely as there are somewhere between 400-500 subscribers, we should be able to come up with a large body of information proving that these concerts actually took place and on a certain date. The objective of this exercise would be to add a link to each scan next to each date as a real proof that this concert really took place. The ultimate concert database if you like. So how about it y'all? Paul ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:03:23 -0700 From: 'Chris Owen' Subject: Re: TD concert ticket stubs Sounds like a good idea to me Paul. Wouldn't it be great if we could amass at least one ticket from every single TD concert? It'd prove a great asset to any concert archive. As a tour 'veteran' since UK 1986, count me in! - Chris From: Marko Marin Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 7:44 am Subject: [tadream] Re: Some TT2 remarks Doesn anyone else hear some grazy fan going 'badam-badam-badam...' in Choronzon (Newcastle-version if I remeber correctly)? Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From: Marko Marin Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 7:46 am Subject: [tadream] Relationship btw Edgar and Chris Most of you might have read this interview (can't remeber where I downloaded it) but if you haven't, here's the part I found interesting... --- I: But the chemistry among you, even when the time of being part of the group has ended, doesn't seem too bad. Paul Haslinger for example gives his thanks to you in his CD, and you have plans to release a CD from Johannes Schmoelling on your label. There were almost never any negative remarks about one another. That is actually very rare among bands that exist for such a long time. EF: Of course there were also remarks that hurt me. For example from Christoph Franke, whom I worked with the longest time. That was when he stated for economical reasons (and since he lives in LA you can draw your own conclusions) that during the time we worked together, I was the one to run the business and he the one to play the music. That really hits you, because a) it doesn't reflect the truth and there are dozens of people who can testify against that, and b) it is bad style to treat one another like that. Those are things I believe could have been dealt with more intelligently and more sensitively. I: But surely you can still have that 'cup of coffee' together? EF: The famous 'cup of coffee' yes, but in the case of Christoph it probably woudn't be possible to have cake as well. I: But Christoph is not an unknown person in the area of soundtracks. He doesn't have to put an 'Ex-TD!' sticker on his records. Isn't that also more a problem with the record companies? EF: Well maybe, but people aren't stupid. For example in an interview which I've read in the magazine 'Keys', he was asked how much he can compose per day. And he said 'well, it used to be 3 minutes, today it is about 6 minutes per day'. Roughly that is how I read it. Now I ask myself: If someone composes for 6 minutes per day, how can he come up with music for 4 to 5 entire TV serials within a couple of months? Ok, I don't want to say more about that. But the same Christoph Franke accuses me to have contracted too much work and that he could not work under the stress anymore. Those are facts that can be proven with evidence. So I am not talking nonsense here, and I don't want to break his stride. But I also refuse to be called names here. I was the one who contracted the work, because he didn't have any money, if you want to know the truth! For no other reason! --- Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From: Marko Marin Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 7:48 am Subject: [tadream] About movies and music I recently listened The Rock by Zimmer & Co., I got curious again. What kind of movies and episodes from different series give you the shivers? I mean the combination of the music and the scenery. I have few personal favourites: Movies: The Rock Actually everything here gives me the shivers. The main title sequence were the slow and sad theme is played, the scene where they chase Mason in the streets of San Fransisco, etc. The music is so damn good. Without it the movie would suck big time. Filmtracks (www.filmtracks.com) rated The Rock as one of the overrated scores of the 90's. Well, I never trusted their opinions anyway... Terminator 2 The end where the last termintor is destroyed. The main theme is played out loud and it's magnificent! Mission: Impossible 2 In the scene where Ambrose shoots Hunt and founds out that Hunt is actually one of his own men. I hate the movie and the soundtrack for most parts but the choir is great. Unfortunately the rest of the track is shit with the roaring guitars which play the M:I-theme... badly. Jurassic Park I believe I don't need to say anything. The brass theme is wonderful! The Abyss The last scenes were Bud is taken into the world of the aliens. The choir is very reflective and gives a great impact together with the scene. Series: Babylon 5 Season 1: And The Sky Full Of Stars... This whole episode is great as it introduces one of the greatest themes in the series. Babylon 5 Season 1: Chrysalis The scene where Garibaldi warns Sinclair about the assasination of the president, but it comes too late. Again, it's all about the Requiem Of The Line. Babylon 5 Season 3: Messages From Earth As the Shadow Vessel wakes up, the screaming guitar sounds great and brings more terror into the scene. The Whitestar - chased by a Shadow Vessel - plunges into the atmosphere of Jupiter. The male choir and the guitar gives a great effect. Babylon 5 Season 3: Z'ha'dum The whole episodes is full drama and I don't need to say which scene is the most dramatic... Babylon 5 Season 5: Sleeping In Light Again, I don't need to say anything if you've seen the last episode of the series... Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From: Marion Horrod Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 8:08 am Subject: e-live / Kraftwerk Is anyone going to e-live in Eindhoven on Sept 21st, or Kraftwerk in Luxembourg on the 22nd and fancies meeting up before, during or after? Hope to see you there LnH Marion From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 8:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Some TT2 remarks >Doesn anyone else hear some grazy fan going >'badam-badam-badam...' in Choronzon (Newcastle-version >if I remeber correctly)? I do, but I think it's the Paris version (the one with hand clapping too). I think I even mentioned that in the review? Guess I didn't write it clearly enough. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35622 Re: Some TT2 remarks Marko Marin Mon 8/19/2002 2 KB From: Marko Marin Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 10:02 am Subject: [tadream] Re: Some TT2 remarks --- John Vertical wrote: > I do, but I think it's the Paris version (the one > with hand clapping too). I > think I even mentioned that in the review? Guess I > didn't write it clearly > enough. > > John Vertical I haven't got the time to read your review yet. My school just started and my access to the web is problematic and your review is so friggin' big! Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 5:04 pm Subject: Froese Solo http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=900426366 I noticed the above on EBAY today... This is the one that contains the backwards Epsilon. Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35637 Re: Froese Solo Robert Grabowsky Tue 8/20/2002 3 KB From: 'Pete Dandy' Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 5:49 pm Subject: Goblins Club Hi I just bought Goblins Club today and it lists The Vienna Boys Choir , two Trombone players , The Buckminster Choir (complete with named conductors) and a harpist !!!??? now if any of these performers are on this album then I must be deaf !!!! I find this to be a little off key to be honest , I bought it because I read the sleeve and thought they had been working with choirs which I thought would be awesome ....but alas no !!!!! come on guys ...whats the deal ???? did TD even write it or are they mis credited as well ????? Pete _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 6:16 pm Subject: Vienna Boys Choir >I just bought Goblins Club today and it lists The Vienna Boys Choir , two >Trombone players , The Buckminster Choir (complete with named conductors) >and a harpist !!!??? now if any of these performers are on this album then I >must be deaf !!!! I find this to be a little off key to be honest , I bought >it because I read the sleeve and thought they had been working with choirs >which I thought would be awesome ....but alas no !!!!! come on guys ...whats >the deal ???? did TD even write it or are they mis credited as well ????? > >Pete I have to agree. The choir on some of the tracks is awful. I had hoped when I looked at the credits that they would have recorded the Vienna Boys Choir singing to a backing tape so that they would get all the wonderful inflection and performance. Instead, it seems they made samples of different notes and played it on an ordinary keyboard. Unfortunate. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35626 Re: Vienna Boys Choir Paul Lawler Mon 8/19/2002 3 KB 35640 Re: Vienna Boys Choir John Vertical Tue 8/20/2002 3 KB 35641 Re: Vienna Boys Choir Synthhtnys@a... Tue 8/20/2002 2 KB 35643 Re: Vienna Boys Choir Marko Marin Tue 8/20/2002 2 KB 35644 Re: Vienna Boys Choir Paul Lawler Tue 8/20/2002 3 KB 35645 Re: Vienna Boys Choir Marko Marin Tue 8/20/2002 2 KB From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 6:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Vienna Boys Choir ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 7:16 PM Subject: [tadream] Vienna Boys Choir > > I have to agree. > > The choir on some of the tracks is awful. > > I had hoped when I looked at the credits that they would have recorded the > Vienna Boys Choir singing to a backing tape so that they would get all the > wonderful inflection and performance. > > Instead, it seems they made samples of different notes and played it on an > ordinary keyboard. I`m afraid its not even that adventurous , the choir sound credited as the Vienna Boys choir is a simple Korg choir preset as seen on the M1 and 01W , there is nothing remotley resembling a trombone though . I presume Edgar was listing the original source of the presets ? which is really quite a cheeky misleading thing to do IMO . Paul From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 6:31 pm Subject: [Tree] TT trade terms - an offical stance 2002 August 19 Hi Folks! The management of the Tree is an ongoing learning process. As loose as we would like to be with policies, as we go forward it becomes apparent that guidelines need to be set to establish a 'baseline' of expectations for our participants in Tangerine Tree activities. The issue du jour is the question of compensation for branches. I want to be perfectly clear about what the HARDFAST OFFICIAL Tangerine Tree policy is on trade compensation: The spirit of the Tangerine Tree is that people put in their time and effort out of generosity, camaraderie and on a non-profit basis. This means trading disks for disks, either 2:1 for blanks or 1:1 for content - or, if a leaf doesn't want to send disks, never should a branch charge anything more than B&P. B&P means the postage cost to send the disks, plus the cost of double the blanks used (as if it were a 2:1 trade for blanks). That's it! We're CERTAINLY not saying that people cannot have their own agreements between themselves, but the above is the 'official' policy of the Tangerine Tree. This is what someone should expect when they sign up for the Tree. It certainly is OK for a branch to say: 'Look, I've got all the blanks I need, I don't want any more, Mr. Leaf, just pay me MY COST 2:1 for the CDRs I'm sending you, plus postage.' or: 'I only trade with Brand X CDRs, Mr. Leaf. Please only send me blanks of Brand X or just send B&P.' Ultimately, if an agreement cannot be reached (!), the Tree Managers will reassign the leaf to another branch. Just let us know at mailto:tadream-owner@y... Thank you to each and every one of you for your participation in the Tree! We've got a fantastic thing going here because of your generosity. Sincerely, Joe Shoults From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 7:39 pm Subject: re: TD concert ticket stubs >The objective of this exercise would be to add a link to each scan next to each date as a real proof that this concert really took place. The ultimate concert database if you like.< if it were only that simple--then I could have seen the US 2001 and US 2002 TD tours bymerely possessing the ticket stubs--I still have the tickets from concerts from both tours which did not happen. And I have my ticket stub from the 1986 music in the movies extravaganza (warfield november 1986) which makes no mention of TD's performance that night on the stub nor of any of the myriad of other performers.... --T _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 4:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] re: TD concert ticket stubs Maybe we could also start a database of concerts that DIDN'T happen! - Chris > if it were only that simple--then I could have seen the US 2001 and US 2002 > TD tours bymerely possessing the ticket stubs--I still have the tickets > from concerts from both tours which did not happen. And I have my ticket > stub from the 1986 music in the movies extravaganza (warfield november 1986) > which makes no mention of TD's performance that night on the stub nor of any > of the myriad of other performers.... > > --T From: 'dreamsector' Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 8:10 pm Subject: official td car Thought everyone might get a tickle out of this... I'm heading off to the car dealer... http://www.suntimes.com/output/auto/car-news-fill19.html I hope this link works. Basically... new PT Cruiser: Tangerine Dream edition! From: 'Administrator' Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 8:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re: TD concert ticket stubs One might need to use Oracle for that database.... ;-) rrrr r r r r still be thinking about the time I bought some tickets and it was canceled, then took months to get refund... rrr r r r rme eye twictchs a bit over this still.... Maybe if I share some of me booty with Edgar there, he come over and play... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Chris Owen' To: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] re: TD concert ticket stubs > Maybe we could also start a database of concerts that DIDN'T happen! > > - Chris > > > > > if it were only that simple--then I could have seen the US 2001 and US > 2002 > > TD tours bymerely possessing the ticket stubs--I still have the tickets > > from concerts from both tours which did not happen. And I have my ticket > > stub from the 1986 music in the movies extravaganza (warfield november > 1986) > > which makes no mention of TD's performance that night on the stub nor of > any > > of the myriad of other performers.... > > > > --T > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 8:56 pm Subject: Paul Fellows' website Paul Fellows' website started with the Voices in the Dunes concert listings and went from there, adding new dates, correcting venues and dates, etc. all based on eyewitness accounts and ticket stubs. To my limited knowledge (I have tried to catch up on 32 years of TD history in 3), Paul's concert listing is one of the most accurate around for listing concerts that did and did not happen. http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/concertdates.html Really, the years which may still have some mystery surrounding them are 1970-1978 and 1983. It is amazing how little information there is about the 1983 Germany-Poland tour. Just a few months back, Johannes Schmoelling procured a ticket stub on his website to a show which had never been on the publicly circulating TD concert lists. Look at all the purple text in the listings to see just how many things have changed in the last year. -Morgan >Maybe we could also start a database of concerts that DIDN'T happen! > >- Chris > > > > > if it were only that simple--then I could have seen the US 2001 and US >2002 > > TD tours bymerely possessing the ticket stubs--I still have the tickets > > from concerts from both tours which did not happen. And I have my ticket > > stub from the 1986 music in the movies extravaganza (warfield november >1986) > > which makes no mention of TD's performance that night on the stub nor of >any > > of the myriad of other performers.... > > > > --T From: Liondream@a... Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 9:05 pm Subject: minutes per day You know (in case this isn't obvious), I truly believe that composing for six minutes a day quote was misunderstood by EF - as he is quoted. I honestly think the three minutes and six minutes is really referring to minutes of finished music per day. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35634 Re: minutes per day Administrator Mon 8/19/2002 3 KB 35639 Re: minutes per day Dennis Nigbur Tue 8/20/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 9:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] minutes per day finished music? quality, quantity, just when is the art finished? I am not sure what was meant either by the time reference. I seen times when one goes for day's composing, laying down tracks... is this time reference a average perhaps? We will just have to wait for more clarifications... dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 2:05 PM Subject: [tadream] minutes per day > You know (in case this isn't obvious), I truly believe that composing for six minutes a day quote was misunderstood by EF - as he is quoted. > > I honestly think the three minutes and six minutes is really referring to minutes of finished music per day. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'mikebrowder' Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 11:46 pm Subject: Liverpool 1975 Wondering what other people think of this show? I'm listening to it again, and I think in parts it rivals Croyden from the same year. Haven't heard it discussed much. But then again, I miss a lot. mike Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35636 Liverpool 1975 Morgan Feldon Tue 8/20/2002 2 KB 35638 Re: Liverpool 1975 John Vertical Tue 8/20/2002 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 1:12 am Subject: Liverpool 1975 >From: 'mikebrowder' >Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 6:46 pm >Subject: Liverpool 1975 > >Wondering what other people think of this show? I'm listening to it again, and >I think in parts it rivals Croyden from the same year. Haven't heard it >discussed much. But then again, I miss a lot. > >mike My tape of this is very poor but I will take a shot at it tonight and provide my opinion. -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 2:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Froese Solo It is not Epsion which is backwards. It is Marouba Bay(sp?) anyway, it sounds good backwards too. I have it recorded to CD. THE HIGHLANDER At 01:04 PM 8/19/02 -0400, you wrote: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=900426366 > >I noticed the above on EBAY today... This is the one that contains the >backwards Epsilon. > >Regards, > > >Michael A. Jean >The Brookings Institution >1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. >Washington, DC 20036-2188 > >TEL: (202)-797-6214 >FAX: (202)-797-2479 >EMAIL: mjean@b... >http://www.brookings.edu > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 8:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Liverpool 1975 >Wondering what other people think of this show? I'm listening to it again, >and I think in parts it rivals Croyden from the same year. Haven't heard it >discussed much. But then again, I miss a lot. > >mike There will probably be more discussion about various live shows soon, due to the Tangerine Tree... I only have 3 1975 shows: TTs 7 & 9 and the Pop'd Orange festival show so I can't comment on it. You could also try raising the subject at Morgan's 'Unheard TD' forums: www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/forums/index.php John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 8:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] minutes per day I think that's the way in which it was presented in the interview in question, too. Edgar was probably going 'below the belt' a bit on this occasion, after being understandably upset about Chris' comment regarding his musical input into TD. Dennis On 19 Aug 2002 at 17:05, Liondream@a... wrote: > You know (in case this isn't obvious), I truly believe that composing > for six minutes a day quote was misunderstood by EF - as he is quoted. > > I honestly think the three minutes and six minutes is really referring > to minutes of finished music per day. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 8:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Vienna Boys Choir > >I just bought Goblins Club today and it lists The Vienna Boys Choir , two > >Trombone players , The Buckminster Choir (complete with named conductors) > >and a harpist !!!??? now if any of these performers are on this album >then I > >must be deaf !!!! I find this to be a little off key to be honest , I >bought > >it because I read the sleeve and thought they had been working with >choirs > >which I thought would be awesome ....but alas no !!!!! come on guys >...whats > >the deal ???? did TD even write it or are they mis credited as well ????? > > > >Pete > >I have to agree. > >The choir on some of the tracks is awful. > >I had hoped when I looked at the credits that they would have recorded the >Vienna Boys Choir singing to a backing tape so that they would get all the >wonderful inflection and performance. > >Instead, it seems they made samples of different notes and played it on an >ordinary keyboard. > >Unfortunate. > >-Morgan I don't think it's awful, just unimpressively basic.. But can you imagine what it would have been like if they had used a Mellotron choir...? :D John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 10:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Vienna Boys Choir In a message dated 8/20/2002 1:58:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, johnvertical@h... writes: > I don't think it's awful, just unimpressively basic.. But can you imagine > what it would have been like if they had used a Mellotron choir...? :D > > John Vertical > *Yes, it would have automatically been better. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35643 Re: Vienna Boys Choir Marko Marin Tue 8/20/2002 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 10:47 am Subject: Fan meeting at Burg Nideggen Saturday, August 24th To everyone who is attending TD's second 'Inferno' gig at Burg Nideggen this Saturday: why not meet for a drink & chat before the start of the concert (9 pm). My wife and I will be eating in one of the restaurants (either in the 'Kaiserzimmer', or on the terrace..depends on the weather). You can have a look at the menu card here (only in German language): 'http://burg-nideggen.de/content/4207.html' We will be there at around 6.30 pm. Be there or be square :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------------------- auf Deutsch: Meine Frau und ich werden um ca. 17.30 Uhr in der Burg 'zu Abend speisen' (bei diesen Preisen ist vornehme Wortwahl angebracht ;-) Bei gutem Wetter kann man auch draußen auf der Terrasse sitzen, ansonsten sitzen wir im 'Kaiserzimmer' (es gibt dort mehrere Restaurants) . Wer mag kann sich uns anschließen, eventuell wird so ja ein kleines Fan-Meeting daraus (ich habe ein paar Leuten auch noch diverse TD-Sachen zu überreichen, wäre also ein guter Ort dafür). Ach ja, die Speisekarte! : http://burg-nideggen.de/content/4207.html Bis dann, Heiko & Anja Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35646 Re: Fan meeting at Burg Nideggen Saturday, August Heiko Heerssen Tue 8/20/2002 2 KB 35647 Re: Fan meeting at Burg Nideggen Saturday, August heineu Tue 8/20/2002 3 KB 35673 Re: Fan meeting at Burg Nideggen Saturday, August convention24 Fri 8/23/2002 3 KB From: Marko Marin Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 11:07 am Subject: [tadream] Re: Vienna Boys Choir --- Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > In a message dated 8/20/2002 1:58:46 AM Pacific > Daylight Time, > johnvertical@h... writes: > > > I don't think it's awful, just unimpressively > basic.. But can you imagine > > what it would have been like if they had used a > Mellotron choir...? :D > > > > John Vertical > > > *Yes, it would have automatically been better. > Poly Indeed. Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 11:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Vienna Boys Choir how would Edgar feel if I used one of the samples from the'XX Large Analogue Dreams' sample library which has actual chords (as an instrument) from the Logos and Poland albums , and I put Tangerine Dream in the credits ? Same thing ! Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Marko Marin' To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:07 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Vienna Boys Choir > > --- Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 8/20/2002 1:58:46 AM Pacific > > Daylight Time, > > johnvertical@h... writes: > > > > > I don't think it's awful, just unimpressively > > basic.. But can you imagine > > > what it would have been like if they had used a > > Mellotron choir...? :D > > > > > > John Vertical > > > > > *Yes, it would have automatically been better. > > Poly > > Indeed. > > Regards, > Marko Marin > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35645 Re: Vienna Boys Choir Marko Marin Tue 8/20/2002 2 KB From: Marko Marin Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 12:02 pm Subject: [tadream] Re: Vienna Boys Choir --- Paul Lawler wrote: > how would Edgar feel if I used one of the samples > from the'XX Large Analogue > Dreams' sample library which has actual chords (as > an instrument) from the > Logos and Poland albums , and I put Tangerine Dream > in the credits ? > Same thing ! > > Paul Good point. Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 12:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fan meeting at Burg Nideggen Saturday, August 24th > auf Deutsch: > > Meine Frau und ich werden um ca. 17.30 Uhr in der Burg 'zu Abend > speisen' (bei diesen Preisen ist vornehme Wortwahl angebracht ;-) ich meinte natürlich *18.30 Uhr*, sorry! Heiko From: 'heineu' Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 1:39 pm Subject: Re: Fan meeting at Burg Nideggen Saturday, August 24th hello all, the other Heiko (Heiko Neumann - Mr. Optical) will also come to the Fan-Meeting on Saterday, I am also at the Friday Concert. See you all. Heiko - mr. Optical http://www.opticaldream.de --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > To everyone who is attending TD's second 'Inferno' gig at Burg Nideggen > this Saturday: why not meet for a drink & chat before the start of the > concert (9 pm). My wife and I will be eating in one of the restaurants > (either in the 'Kaiserzimmer', or on the terrace..depends on the > weather). You can have a look at the menu card here (only in German > language): 'http://burg-nideggen.de/content/4207.html' We will be there > at around 6.30 pm. Be there or be square :-) > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------- > > auf Deutsch: > > Meine Frau und ich werden um ca. 17.30 Uhr in der Burg 'zu Abend > speisen' (bei diesen Preisen ist vornehme Wortwahl angebracht ;-) Bei > gutem Wetter kann man auch draußen auf der Terrasse sitzen, ansonsten > sitzen wir im 'Kaiserzimmer' (es gibt dort mehrere Restaurants) . Wer > mag kann sich uns anschließen, eventuell wird so ja ein kleines > Fan-Meeting daraus (ich habe ein paar Leuten auch noch diverse TD- Sachen > zu überreichen, wäre also ein guter Ort dafür). Ach ja, die Speisekarte! > : > http://burg-nideggen.de/content/4207.html > > Bis dann, > Heiko & Anja Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35673 Re: Fan meeting at Burg Nideggen Saturday, August convention24 Fri 8/23/2002 3 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 5:08 pm Subject: pre-concert meeting in Nideggen Hi all, it looks like I'm going to make it for the Saturday 'Inferno' show this weekend. I'll arrive by train in Cologne around 14:30, and will take a rental car from there. Sunday late morning I'll drive up north to Nijmegen. Anybody in need of a ride on any of the legs of my journey, or wanting to meet before the show, please contact me off-list. cheers, klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35649 Re: pre-concert meeting in Nideggen Administrator Tue 8/20/2002 3 KB 35657 Re: pre-concert meeting in Nideggen Klaus Beschorner Wed 8/21/2002 2 KB 35658 Re: pre-concert meeting in Nideggen Administrator Wed 8/21/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 5:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] pre-concert meeting in Nideggen I envy you guys being able to attend. Please pass info back to us. I am not sure about the music however, what I heard so far off the new web site just wasn't in my veins. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Klaus Beschorner' To: 'tadream list (mod)' Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 10:08 AM Subject: [tadream] pre-concert meeting in Nideggen > > Hi all, > > it looks like I'm going to make it for the Saturday 'Inferno' show > this weekend. I'll arrive by train in Cologne around 14:30, and > will take a rental car from there. > Sunday late morning I'll drive up north to Nijmegen. > Anybody in need of a ride on any of the legs of my journey, or wanting > to meet before the show, please contact me off-list. > > cheers, > klaus > > -- > > Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 > Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 > D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754 > Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 > ............................................http://www.caby.de > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 5:24 pm Subject: Atten: Martin Kasprzak Followed one of your links off the new site. http://www.fernandesguitars.com/guitars/revolver.html . Should the wife the Revolver Pro at the closest store. Was on sale but green. She liked the way it played. So she talked to her friend there and he manage to find the same one in Black for her at the same price. He had them on sale. $450.00. So she ordered it. Looks like I am adding one of these bad boys to our collection. I hope to use this other than straight guitar to feed a few synths. The sustainer seem to be a lot easier to use than the e-bow, which I will use anyway with it. Thanks for the link. dale From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 8:27 pm Subject: Fernandes... Steve Hackett plays one of these bad boys too, I think. At any rate... would you mind sharing the name of that store? Green sounds cool!!! << Subject: Atten: Martin Kasprzak Followed one of your links off the new site. http://www.fernandesguitars.com/guitars/revolver.html . Should the wife the Revolver Pro at the closest store. Was on sale but green. She liked the way it played. So she talked to her friend there and he manage to find the same one in Black for her at the same price. He had them on sale. $450.00. So she ordered it. Looks like I am adding one of these bad boys to our collection. I hope to use this other than straight guitar to feed a few synths. The sustainer seem to be a lot easier to use than the e-bow, which I will use anyway with it. Thanks for the link. dale>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35652 Re: Fernandes... Administrator Tue 8/20/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 8:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fernandes... silly hooman where do I live? dale check off post mail soon ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 1:27 PM Subject: [tadream] Fernandes... > Steve Hackett plays one of these bad boys too, I think. > > At any rate... would you mind sharing the name of that store? Green sounds cool!!! > > > << Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:24:27 -0700 > From: 'Administrator' > Subject: Atten: Martin Kasprzak > > Followed one of your links off the new site. > http://www.fernandesguitars.com/guitars/revolver.html . Should the wife the > Revolver Pro at the closest store. Was on sale but green. She liked the way > it played. So she talked to her friend there and he manage to find the same > one in Black for her at the same price. He had them on sale. $450.00. So she > ordered it. > Looks like I am adding one of these bad boys to our collection. I hope to > use this other than straight guitar to feed a few synths. The sustainer seem > to be a lot easier to use than the e-bow, which I will use anyway with it. > > Thanks for the link. > > dale>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Felna Greymane Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 8:46 pm Subject: Email address change Sorry for spam, but for those interested, I am moving, so am losing my Roadrunner account (going from cable back to dial up........NO!!!!!). I am moving out to a rural area so there is no high speed coverage unfortunately. After today I will no longer be checking the kc.rr.com address so please change your listings for me (also in the tree distribution if it's not done systemically) to greymane@g... As we are physically doing most the move ourselves this weekend, I will be likely offline until the middle/end of next week. Thanks! Jeff Stevenson Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35654 Re: Email address change Administrator Tue 8/20/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 8:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Email address change Try satellite, you might have access in your area. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Felna Greymane' To: 'Tangerine Dream List Serv' ; 'Tangerine Dream' Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 1:46 PM Subject: [tadream] Email address change > Sorry for spam, but for those interested, I am moving, so am losing my > Roadrunner account (going from cable back to dial up........NO!!!!!). I am > moving out to a rural area so there is no high speed coverage unfortunately. > > After today I will no longer be checking the kc.rr.com address so please > change your listings for me (also in the tree distribution if it's not done > systemically) to > > greymane@g... > > As we are physically doing most the move ourselves this weekend, I will be > likely offline until the middle/end of next week. > > Thanks! > > Jeff Stevenson > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 10:39 pm Subject: Edgar's 'Beyond the Storm' Notice that this getting a lot of play on msn radio, Wind and Water lately. Do you think this recent play is a prelude to a concert? dale From: chris towers Date: Wed Aug 21, 2002 1:48 pm Subject: SORRY!!!!! Hi all, this is a sincere apology to all those who have been trying to contact me regarding getting the TT2 Cds from me as their supplier. My computer went AWOL and CD Burner went with it so unfortunately been out of action for a while. All those who i am to supply (if you already havnt been allocated to someone else) pop me a line and ill get the ball rolling for you all. You can get me at ----cjtt999fire@a... Again a big sorry to you all and hope i can get the TT2 to you as soon as poss. Thanks Chris Towers __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Wed Aug 21, 2002 7:23 pm Subject: Re: pre-concert meeting in Nideggen >I envy you guys being able to attend. Please pass info back to us. >I am not sure about the music however, what I heard so far off the new >web site just wasn't in my veins. Ah, well, who cares about the _music_ ? ;-) ;-) ;-) cheers, klaus From: 'Administrator' Date: Wed Aug 21, 2002 7:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: pre-concert meeting in Nideggen I been re-digging Edgar's Solos since I found a radio station that plays his albums. Seems the second time around listening to them is growing on me. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Klaus Beschorner' To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: pre-concert meeting in Nideggen > >I envy you guys being able to attend. Please pass info back to us. > >I am not sure about the music however, what I heard so far off the new > >web site just wasn't in my veins. > > Ah, well, who cares about the _music_ ? ;-) ;-) ;-) > > cheers, > klaus > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: gmroger@p... Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 10:42 am Subject: Been on lurk mode for too long Hi guys, Sorry not to have written to the groups for a while - I'm been without a computer for a while and only had time to read the messages when visiting Internet cafes etc, so not had the chance to talk about TT2, the forums etc. Now, I belive Jacek is my branch on the TT, but I'm over here in the UK at the moment so I will have to wait until I return to Poland before I get my chance to listen to the next set of Tangerine Trees. Jacek, can you let me have your e-mail address off-list so I can write to you regards the arrangements for my discs? Cheers Roger Hartopp From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 11:03 am Subject: OT: AERO concert radio broadcasted Hi, Some off topic news: The Jean Michel Jarre concert 7.9.02 - AERO - http://aero.tv2.dk - will be broadcasted direct on danish radio P3 - netstream: http://www.dr.dk/p3/lyt.htm the concert will also be spread to the European radio network and broadcasted on other stations throughout Europe.... The whole concert will be shown on danish TV station TV2 Zulu on sep. 16 - their website http://zulu.tv2.dk Highligths of the concert will be shown on danish TV2 sep. 14. Concert will also be netstreamet direct from the AERO website (see first link) Back to deep sleep mode.... Regards, Peter Peter Ravn pr@r... & peter@r... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35661 Re: OT: AERO concert radio broadcasted Heiko Heerssen Thu 8/22/2002 2 KB 35664 Re: OT: AERO concert radio broadcasted Richard Thu 8/22/2002 3 KB 35667 Re: OT: AERO concert radio broadcasted richter_arne Fri 8/23/2002 3 KB 35672 Re: OT: AERO concert radio broadcasted Richard Fri 8/23/2002 3 KB 35988 Re: OT: AERO concert radio broadcasted Wade Gordon mindvoyager1 Fri 9/6/2002 3 KB 36092 Re: OT: AERO concert radio broadcasted Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media glennfolkvord Tue 9/10/2002 2 KB 36357 Re: OT: AERO concert radio broadcasted Wade Gordon mindvoyager1 Thu 9/26/2002 3 KB 36358 Re: OT: AERO concert radio broadcasted Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media glennfolkvord Thu 9/26/2002 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 11:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: AERO concert radio broadcasted > Back to deep sleep mode.... it seems the whole Tadream list is sleeping right now...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... what about a new poll: name your top 5 TD lullaby tracks. My votes: 1.) Midwinter night 2.) Sequent 'C' 3.) The big sleep in search of Hades 4.) Breathing the night away 5.) Zeit :-) Heiko From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sleeping > > Back to deep sleep mode.... > >it seems the whole Tadream list is sleeping right >now...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... >what about a new poll: name your top 5 TD lullaby tracks. >My votes: > >1.) Midwinter night >2.) Sequent 'C' >3.) The big sleep in search of Hades >4.) Breathing the night away >5.) Zeit > >:-) >Heiko Hmmmm... In no particular order: 1. Remote Viewing 2. Alpha Centauri 3. Long Island Sunset 4. Soundmill Navigator 5. Ricochet Part II and as a bonus track... Departure from the Northern Wasteland. (Even though it's by Michael Hoening, I _must_list this too... it gets about as many night-plays as these TD tracks altogether) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35665 Re: sleeping Administrator Thu 8/22/2002 2 KB 35689 Re: sleeping Greg Sun 8/25/2002 2 KB 35703 Re: sleeping Marko Marin Mon 8/26/2002 2 KB 38001 Re: sleeping Liondream@a... dreamsector Sun 12/29/2002 3 KB 38002 Re: sleeping Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 12/29/2002 4 KB From: René Brenner Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 4:43 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream Online Encyclopedia for Beginners Hello, Another online discography with one of the most elaborate and longest reviews of all TD albums is available at: http://dieeigerwand.brinkster.net/tangerinedream.html Each album reviewed by two writers in great details, a rather interesting approach! René Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35666 Re: Tangerine Dream Online Encyclopedia for Begin Jim Moore Fri 8/23/2002 2 KB From: Richard Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: AERO concert radio broadcasted I have a friend with a motorised dish, etc. Is this TV channel and radio channel transmitted on any satellite. If so, I may be able to get him to record it. cheers >Hi, > >Some off topic news: > >The Jean Michel Jarre concert 7.9.02 - AERO - http://aero.tv2.dk - will >be broadcasted direct on danish radio P3 - netstream: >http://www.dr.dk/p3/lyt.htm > the concert will also be spread to the European radio network and broadcasted >on other stations throughout Europe.... > >The whole concert will be shown on danish TV station TV2 Zulu on sep. 16 >- their website http://zulu.tv2.dk > >Highligths of the concert will be shown on danish TV2 sep. 14. > >Concert will also be netstreamet direct from the AERO website (see first >link) > >Back to deep sleep mode.... > >Regards, >Peter >Peter Ravn >pr@r... & peter@r... > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- Richard F Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35667 Re: OT: AERO concert radio broadcasted richter_arne Fri 8/23/2002 3 KB 35672 Re: OT: AERO concert radio broadcasted Richard Fri 8/23/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sleeping maybe maybe busy working on music maybe in shock listening to inferno maybe in a nightmare state maybe in a dream state maybe vacation maybe xxx dale From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Fri Aug 23, 2002 2:42 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Online Encyclopedia for Beginners This is very good! I'm going to tuck this URL away for the slow pace of a Friday afternoon at work! Thanks for the post! -----Original Message----- From: René Brenner [mailto:rene.brenner@f...] Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:43 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Online Encyclopedia for Beginners Hello, Another online discography with one of the most elaborate and longest reviews of all TD albums is available at: http://dieeigerwand.brinkster.net/tangerinedream.html Each album reviewed by two writers in great details, a rather interesting approach! René From: 'richter_arne' Date: Fri Aug 23, 2002 8:54 am Subject: Re: OT: AERO concert radio broadcasted --- In tadream@y..., Richard wrote: > I have a friend with a motorised dish, etc. Is this TV channel and radio > channel transmitted on any satellite. If so, I may be able to get him to record The TV channel 'TV 2 ZULU' transmits over Satellite in both analogue and digital. Unfortunately both are encrypted! The digital transmission is on Thor II at 0.8 degrees West, and also on INTELSAT 707 at 1 degree West, both encrypted in CONAX (which is bad, as CONAX is one of the few encryption systems that are currently not hacked). The analogue transmission is on Thor III, also at 0.8 degrees West, encrypted in Eurocrypt S2 and in D2-MAC Format. In the UK you need a medium to large dish as the beam is directly heading towards Scandinavia. So I think you can forget it, as your friend most likely will not be able to decode the Conax or D2-MAC Eurocrypt 2. You will have better luck with the danish radio station, D3 P3 sits on Thor II and Intelsat 707 and transmitts digitally unencrypted (DVB). And they have yet another digital transmission on Sirius 3 at 5 degrees East, also DVB unencrypted. Should be no problem getting those. Good luck, Arne Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35672 Re: OT: AERO concert radio broadcasted Richard Fri 8/23/2002 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Aug 23, 2002 12:51 pm Subject: Rainbow drive & TD tribute CD: fiction or reality A couple of months ago I heard rumours about a possible CD release of 'Rainbow drive', an as yet unreleased TD soundtrack recording composed in 1990 (maybe on Silva Screen or a similar label?) I also remember that there was talk about a Tangerine Dream tribute album which should be made up of cover songs sung by more or less well-known artists. My memory about these two planned releases -or the origin of these rumours- is a bit blurred, but I know that these topics have been discussed on the Tadream list. Can anyone give an update about a possible (or impossible ;-) release of these two cd's? Heiko From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Fri Aug 23, 2002 12:58 pm Subject: Rudy Adrian Rudy Adrian: Live in Philadelphia Rudy Adrian makes his stateside concert debut on Saturday 21 September 2002 at 8:00pm in the church sanctuary of St. Mary's Hamilton Village, 3916 Locust Walk on the Penn campus in University City, Philadelphia, PA. For complete details, including directions and info on advance tickets, access: http://www.thegatherings.org Following the concert: tune in to the 09.22.02 broadcast of STAR'S END for a live-on air radio concert with Rudy Adrian. Anyone plan on attending this one? Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35671 Re: Rudy Adrian Vince LeGrand Fri 8/23/2002 3 KB 35678 Re: Rudy Adrian Synthhtnys@a... Sat 8/24/2002 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Aug 23, 2002 2:40 pm Subject: Tangerine Ambience 1 + 2: A Tribute to Tangerine Dream >Heiko Heerssen said: > >A couple of months ago I heard rumours about a possible CD release of >'Rainbow drive', an as yet unreleased TD soundtrack recording composed >in 1990 (maybe on Silva Screen or a similar label?) >I also remember that there was talk about a Tangerine Dream tribute >album which should be made up of cover songs sung by more or less >well-known artists. My memory about these two planned releases -or the >origin of these rumours- is a bit blurred, but I know that these topics >have been discussed on the Tadream list. Can anyone give an update about >a possible (or impossible ;-) release of these two cd's? There were actually 2 tribute albums to Tangerine Dream. I think it's great stuff but others have given harsh opinions about it. It certainly seems to be a polarizing event when others try to recreate or remix beloved songs we know front-and-back. Paul's website has tracklistings and cover art: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/ambience1.html http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/ambience2.html -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35675 Re: Tangerine Ambience 1 + 2: A Tribute to Tanger Synthhtnys@a... Sat 8/24/2002 2 KB 35679 Re: Tangerine Ambience 1 + 2: A Tribute to Tanger PERGAMON Sat 8/24/2002 2 KB 35682 Re: Tangerine Ambience 1 + 2: A Tribute to Tanger Wade Gordon Sat 8/24/2002 2 KB From: Vince LeGrand Date: Fri Aug 23, 2002 3:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rudy Adrian Hi Michael, I'll definitely be there. The entire fall Gatherings schedule is looking great! Rudy Adrian in September, Mike Griffin/Dave Fulton in October, and Manuel Gottsching in November. :-)) Vince ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Michael Jean' To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 8:58 AM Subject: [tadream] Rudy Adrian > Rudy Adrian: Live in Philadelphia > > Rudy Adrian makes his stateside concert debut on Saturday 21 > September 2002 at 8:00pm in the church sanctuary of St. Mary's > Hamilton Village, 3916 Locust Walk on the Penn campus in > University City, Philadelphia, PA. For complete details, including > directions and info on advance tickets, access: > http://www.thegatherings.org > > Following the concert: tune in to the 09.22.02 broadcast of > STAR'S END for a live-on air radio concert with Rudy Adrian. > > > Anyone plan on attending this one? > > Regards, > > > Michael A. Jean > The Brookings Institution > 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. > Washington, DC 20036-2188 > > TEL: (202)-797-6214 > FAX: (202)-797-2479 > EMAIL: mjean@b... > http://www.brookings.edu > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Richard Date: Fri Aug 23, 2002 4:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: OT: AERO concert radio broadcasted Thank you for the very concise information. Have had a word with him, and he 'MIGHT' be able to decode the D2MAC channel. Fingers crossed. Cheers >The TV channel 'TV 2 ZULU' transmits over Satellite in both analogue >and digital. Unfortunately both are encrypted! > >The digital transmission is on Thor II at 0.8 degrees West, and also >on INTELSAT 707 at 1 degree West, both encrypted in CONAX (which is >bad, as CONAX is one of the few encryption systems that are currently >not hacked). The analogue transmission is on Thor III, also at 0.8 >degrees West, encrypted in Eurocrypt S2 and in D2-MAC Format. In the >UK you need a medium to large dish as the beam is directly heading >towards Scandinavia. > >So I think you can forget it, as your friend most likely will not be >able to decode the Conax or D2-MAC Eurocrypt 2. > >You will have better luck with the danish radio station, D3 P3 sits >on Thor II and Intelsat 707 and transmitts digitally unencrypted >(DVB). And they have yet another digital transmission on Sirius 3 at >5 degrees East, also DVB unencrypted. Should be no problem getting >those. > >Good luck, > >Arne > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- Richard F From: 'convention24' Date: Fri Aug 23, 2002 8:37 pm Subject: Re: Fan meeting at Burg Nideggen Saturday, August 24th --- In tadream@y..., 'heineu' wrote: > hello all, > > the other Heiko (Heiko Neumann - Mr. Optical) will also come to the > Fan-Meeting on Saterday, I am also at the Friday Concert. > > See you all. > > Heiko - mr. Optical > http://www.opticaldream.de > > > --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > To everyone who is attending TD's second 'Inferno' gig at Burg > Nideggen > > this Saturday: why not meet for a drink & chat before the start of > the > > concert (9 pm). My wife and I will be eating in one of the > restaurants > > (either in the 'Kaiserzimmer', or on the terrace..depends on the > > weather). You can have a look at the menu card here (only in German > > language): 'http://burg-nideggen.de/content/4207.html' We will be > there > > at around 6.30 pm. Be there or be square :-) Have a great time chaps,WISH I WAS THERE.Tangerine Dream,I Loves em. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ -- > ----------------------------------- > > > > auf Deutsch: > > > > Meine Frau und ich werden um ca. 17.30 Uhr in der Burg 'zu Abend > > speisen' (bei diesen Preisen ist vornehme Wortwahl angebracht ;-) > Bei > > gutem Wetter kann man auch draußen auf der Terrasse sitzen, > ansonsten > > sitzen wir im 'Kaiserzimmer' (es gibt dort mehrere Restaurants) . > Wer > > mag kann sich uns anschließen, eventuell wird so ja ein kleines > > Fan-Meeting daraus (ich habe ein paar Leuten auch noch diverse TD- > Sachen > > zu überreichen, wäre also ein guter Ort dafür). Ach ja, die > Speisekarte! > > : > > http://burg-nideggen.de/content/4207.html > > > > Bis dann, > > Heiko & Anja From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Sat Aug 24, 2002 2:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream]Self-referential music I guess this isn't too old that I can still reply: I'm not exactly sure what self-referential means but I think I see where you're going with the argument and I agree with it. Let me see if I can put it in perspective from my point of view and perhaps you will see if I truly do understand or not. Listening to later compositions of TD can bring picture stories to my mind but they usually will hinge on the song title. For example: Two Bobcats in the Sun: well, I laugh at the antics of the two kittens wrestling with each other on the hillside while their mother calmly looks on. TD has entitled this music thus and this is what you will see. In contrast, earlier 70's music was experimental, free flowing, and non-titled. Therefore, your visions and mine to the same music may be totally different, but totally satisfying to each of us even if we tell the other what we see. For example: Mojave Plan is a housing project to me, but a shoot em up Western to another, and we both can share these different stories and visualize them without the music being spoiled. Self-referential meaning the music stands on its own without any specific reference to the outside world. It could as easily be seen as a trip through space or Disneyland or whatever. 8-Dell All IMO of course. NP: Parallel Dreams forever >From: 'Dennis Nigbur' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] ambient soundz >Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:10:32 +0100 > >On 6 Aug 2002 at 12:34, Adele Outland wrote: > > > list and I'll see if I can dig it out of a floppy somewhere. I find no > > lack of visions in many of the later releases, but that's just me. > > 8-Dell > >I'd be inclined to agree, Dell. I'm not a fan of the late Melrose/early >Seattle years, but on a purely intuitive level (struggling to define more >operationally what 'vision' means) I think that 'Turn of the Tides', >'Goblins' Club', 'Oasis', 'Mars Polaris' and 'Seven Letters' are all >visionary, whatever you make of their compositional accomplishment. > >I think Marion makes an interesting point, though, about TD's music >becoming more self-referential and less directly evocative of the world >around. Samples of horse whinnying and concepts of Transsibirian >railways aside, my guess is that the gradual move from moody and >experimental chord-playing to more classically composed and notated >music does indeed make the end product more abstract and self- >referential. I'm not at all an expert on this, but an art history student >once told me about an idea of 'musicality' to which some art aspires; >the creation of artistic beauty that is entirely self-referential and not >necessarily representative of any aspect of the imperfect outside world. > >I probably got that one completely wrong, though...! > >Dennis As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35747 Re: Self-referential music Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Wed 8/28/2002 4 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat Aug 24, 2002 4:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Ambience 1 + 2: A Tribute to Tangerine Dream In a message dated 8/23/02 7:46:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, feldon@f... writes: << There were actually 2 tribute albums to Tangerine Dream. I think it's great stuff but others have given harsh opinions about it. It certainly seems to be a polarizing event when others try to recreate or remix beloved songs we know front-and-back. Paul's website has tracklistings and cover art: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/ambience1.html http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/ambience2.html -Morgan >> *Some TD fans simply aren't going to like the beats added to their beloved pieces... I like them all OK, but Surface 10's Phaedra is just mindblowing! One of my fav pieces of EM Poly From: thesmitter@j... Date: Sat Aug 24, 2002 12:30 pm Subject: Re:Re: [tadream] Tangerine Ambience 1 + 2: A Tribute to Tangerine Drea m Anybody ever heard any of Surface 10's cds, and would care to comment on them? Thanks in advance, Larry *Some TD fans simply aren't going to like the beats added to their beloved pieces... I like them all OK, but Surface 10's Phaedra is just mindblowing! One of my fav pieces of EM Poly ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35687 Re: Tangerine Ambience 1 + 2: A Tribute to Tanger Synthhtnys@a... Sun 8/25/2002 2 KB 35688 Re: Tangerine Ambience 1 + 2: A Tribute to Tanger Phil White Sun 8/25/2002 4 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat Aug 24, 2002 6:17 am Subject: Tangerine Ambience I shall have to pencil in some time to listen to Surface 10 in between Klaus Schulze and Spyra. :) For anyone who does not know, I had not yet embraced KS until I heard Historic Edition. Now I am getting into Are You Sequenced?, etc. And Spyra is just great stuff (altho the 3rd disc on Elevator to Heaven is a bit weak). -Morgan From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat Aug 24, 2002 6:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Rudy Adrian In a message dated 8/23/2002 6:09:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, michaeljean@e... writes: > Rudy Adrian: Live in Philadelphia *I highly recommend this concert. He will also be playing in Salt Lake and Denver. Also anyone in the Northwest interested Rudy and I will be doing a small show near Portland Oregon. Write me offline if interested. Peace [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Sat Aug 24, 2002 10:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Ambience 1 + 2: A Tribute to Tangerine Dream > I like them all OK, but Surface 10's Phaedra is just mindblowing! One of my > fav pieces of EM > Poly This is also my favorite from TA1 and (i am probably getting beaten for this) IMO think that Exit is better than the original. Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35682 Re: Tangerine Ambience 1 + 2: A Tribute to Tanger Wade Gordon Sat 8/24/2002 2 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sat Aug 24, 2002 12:39 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #283 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #283 August 22, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Hemisphere, a band from Germany known for dark electronic ambient excursions. The Featured CD at midnight was 'NOW' on the Groove label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Bhakti Point' by Richard Burmer on the Fortuna label. Hemisphere http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#aug PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Richard Burmer Nightland Bhakti Point (Fortuna) Steve Roach and Taking Flight Trance Spirits (Projekt) Jeffrey Fayman John Lyell and Ethereal Float Synthetic Universe (Solar Wind) Brent Reiland Ben Swire Interim Equilibrium (Foundry) Cipher One Who Whispers One Who Whispers (Gliss) Asmus Tiechens and IV The Shifts Recyclings vidnaObmana (Soleilmoon) Ian Boddy Frozen Web Box of Secrets (DiN) 12:00 am Hemisphere Red NOW (Groove) Hemisphere Orange NOW (Groove) Hemisphere Blue NOW (Groove) Hemisphere White NOW (Groove) Hemisphere Red (reprise) NOW (Groove) Hemisphere Black * NOW (Groove) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Hemisphere. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Attachment X' on the Groove label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Gandharva' by Beaver and Krause on the Warner Brothers label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiy.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sat Aug 24, 2002 1:28 pm Subject: TT2: Calling Graeme Clark Graeme, please contact me off-list. Apparently my e-mail messages are not reaching you. Sorry list for the interruption. Antonio Nunes np: Tangerine Ambience II (thanks Morgan for reminding me these great tribute albums) From: Wade Gordon Date: Sat Aug 24, 2002 5:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Ambience 1 + 2: A Tribute to Tangerine Dream Both of the c.d.'s are simply incredible and were played on 'Sound Explorer.' --- PERGAMON wrote: > > I like them all OK, but Surface 10's Phaedra is > just mindblowing! One of my > > fav pieces of EM > > Poly > > This is also my favorite from TA1 and (i am probably > getting beaten for this) IMO think that Exit is > better than the original. > > Jan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Aug 24, 2002 9:06 pm Subject: cross post Note how TD is used to convey a style ! dale Folks, I got the new output driver and MIDI Effects processor working yesterday afternoon. Frankly, we were pretty thrilled with the results of just twiddling knobs on the prototype system and I've uploaded a fairly long sample to the web pages to demonstrate what the instrument can currently do. Very Tangerine Dream circa 'White Eagle'. I have two other samples which demonstrate tempo changes and some weird rhythmic capabilitiies. I'll upload these if there is sufficient interest. Best wishes David -- Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/tbassuk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35685 cross post Admin Sun 8/25/2002 3 KB From: 'sequentc' Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 7:22 am Subject: Cyclone CD + Atem CD if anyone is interested ....... TD - Cyclone CD I noticed that Amazon.co.uk have listed 'Cyclone' TAND9 CD as being released on 19th August 2002 which suggests that they are either obtaining further new stocks or this has been re-pressed. TD - Atem CD CMRCD495 Amazon have now listed 'Atem' as being released on 11th November 2002...and are taking pre-orders? Munt1 From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 4:34 am Subject: cross post Views from other forums. > when Johannes bailed and then finally > Franke...something really bad happened. I literally lost ALL interest in > anything they were doing. Their music lost it's momentum and vision. No > longer was I taking fantastic journies when I sat down to listen on the > headphones, waiting for each musical phase with drooling anticipation. > Now I was just hearing lackluster music that could have come from any > number of new age or electronic bands. Then more weirdness. Rock song > covers, tangetizing old stuff over and over and over, etc. Gone were the > rhythmic sequences, instead replaced with LONG dull non-analog leads and > Froese's typically bland chord synth washes. I bailed. I think Dan pretty much summed up TD there.... ^_^ I totally agree. I think Edgar should put this text on his website. Get a dose of reality. pe@c... MIRAI ps. Victor Cerullo: oooh, nice website, as usual. :^) pps. Craig P: Nice gig pics. :-) ppps. The scientologists have branched out with a new religious cult: 'Sound Explorer' _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Kiss the future: http://wisdomcore.com From: 'vic rek' Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 4:38 am Subject: Wavelength LP + Cassettes I am looking for a Wavelength LP. If anyone is interested to sell or trade theirs, please contact me off list. I am also looking for the following cassettes: Dream Sequence (2 cass.), 70-80 (2 cass. box), Encore, Peter Baumann - Trans-Harmonic Nights, $INKEY #10 w/TD. Thanks for your help. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35690 Re: Wavelength LP + Cassettes chris towers Sun 8/25/2002 3 KB 35693 Re: Wavelength LP + Cassettes vic rek Sun 8/25/2002 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 6:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Ambience 1 + 2: A Tribute to Tangerine Drea m In a message dated 8/23/2002 10:33:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, thesmitter@j... writes: > Anybody ever heard any of Surface 10's cds, and would care to comment on > them? > > Thanks in advance, > Larry > *I only have the one on Hypnotic (or was it Cleopatra? Don't have it with me.) I think it's self titled. has a sort of 3D cover.... Very tasty stuff, though more technoey than would be suggested in the Phaedra cover... I might say somewhere near Synesthesia sonically if that helps. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Phil White' Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 10:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Ambience 1 + 2: A Tribute to Tangerine Drea m Hi, For what its worth here's my two pence worth... I have two Surface 10 Discs: 'Hypnotic' which I enjoyed a great deal and would agree with the Poly comment. However I bought the second 'In Vitro Tide' on the strength of the first release and was very disappointed... Bland and uninspiring technosynth IMO of course as all listening experiences are purely personal. If any one wants to trade for it I'm open to offers :o) ATB Phil NP: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Ambience 1 + 2: A Tribute to Tangerine Drea m > In a message dated 8/23/2002 10:33:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > thesmitter@j... writes: > > > > Anybody ever heard any of Surface 10's cds, and would care to comment on > > them? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Larry > > > > *I only have the one on Hypnotic (or was it Cleopatra? Don't have it with > me.) > I think it's self titled. has a sort of 3D cover.... Very tasty stuff, though > more technoey than would be suggested in the Phaedra cover... I might say > somewhere near Synesthesia sonically if that helps. > > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Greg' Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 11:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] sleeping In Order: Best songs to sleep and/or wind down to 1. Soundmill Navigator 2. Green Desert 3. Horizon 4. Logostypes 4 5. Coldwater Canyon Greg H. NP: Joe Jackson: Steppin' Out From: chris towers Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 12:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Wavelength LP + Cassettes I have the Dream Sequence available for you on Cassette if you like. Chris Towers --- vic rek wrote: > I am looking for a Wavelength LP. If anyone is > interested to sell or trade > theirs, please contact me off list. > I am also looking for the following cassettes: Dream > Sequence (2 cass.), > 70-80 (2 cass. box), Encore, Peter Baumann - > Trans-Harmonic Nights, $INKEY > #10 w/TD. > > Thanks for your help. > Vic > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 2:05 pm Subject: Make your plans public!!! - was: Re: Rudy Adrian I suppose that everyone announces to the public if he intends to go to a non-TD-related concert, because there are still not enough non-TD-related messages on this list. I hope some more 200 or 300 enthusiastics are dying for this important event and all of them let us know in advance... And who of you guys is gonna eat at a fast food restaurant tonite? Tell us, maybe someone is interested in. Peter > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:28:26 -0400 > From: Vince LeGrand > Subject: Re: Rudy Adrian > > Hi Michael, > > I'll definitely be there. > > The entire fall Gatherings schedule is looking great! Rudy Adrian in > September, Mike Griffin/Dave Fulton in October, and Manuel Gottsching in > November. :-)) > > Vince > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Michael Jean' > To: > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 8:58 AM > Subject: [tadream] Rudy Adrian > > > Rudy Adrian: Live in Philadelphia > > Rudy Adrian makes his stateside concert debut on Saturday 21 > September 2002 at 8:00pm in the church sanctuary of St. Mary's > Hamilton Village, 3916 Locust Walk on the Penn campus in > University City, Philadelphia, PA. For complete details, including > directions and info on advance tickets, access: > http://www.thegatherings.org Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35695 Re: Make your plans public!!! - was: Re: Rudy Adr Michael A Jean Sun 8/25/2002 3 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 2:41 pm Subject: Dream Sequence Cassettes [Re: [tadream] Wavelength LP + Cassettes] Hi Chris, Thanks for the great news - what would you like for the cassettes? Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: chris towers > I have the Dream Sequence available for you on > Cassette if you like. > > Chris Towers From: 'vic rek' Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Wavelength LP + Cassettes Sorry - should have been off-list off course :-| From: Ken Beal Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 5:29 pm Subject: TD & Related For Sale: Howdy all.. Sorry for the crosspost and the wob, but I am in need of selling my Tangerine Dream, Edgar Froese and Chris Franke commpact disc collection. I would really prefer to sell it as a package, but realize that may be asking the impossible. If you are sincerely interested, please email me offlist at: noir43@d... Please use same subject as this email (just punch reply). I will then forward the list to you... Please notice...first come, first served...and may the best man (or woman) win... ;-) TIA, Ken Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35696 Re: TD & Related For Sale: Dan Downey Sun 8/25/2002 3 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 5:22 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Make your plans public!!! - was: Re: Rudy Adrian Well while its true that TD related messages had been slow, the purpose for inquiring was so that other list members might be able to meet up before or after the show. Since E-music events in the US are so rare, people sometimes travel quite a distance to see the show, and it is helpful to meet up with folks who might be fanmiliar with the area... That was the main purpose of the post. > > > I suppose that everyone announces to the public if he intends to go to a > non-TD-related concert, because there are still not enough non-TD-related > messages on this list. I hope some more 200 or 300 enthusiastics > are dying for > this important event and all of them let us know in advance... > > And who of you guys is gonna eat at a fast food restaurant > tonite? Tell us, > maybe someone is interested in. > > Peter > > > > From: Dan Downey Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD & Related For Sale: Sorry to hear you need to divest yourself of all this material. While I have a lot of TD I would like ot see your whole list. I would be very interested in any of the Klaus box sets if you have any of those. If the price is right and a lot of my holes can be filled I might go for the whole kit and sell off what I don't need. Please reply to djambient@d... rather than to my yahoo address. thanks, DanD --- Ken Beal wrote: > Howdy all.. > > Sorry for the crosspost and the wob, but I am in > need of selling my > Tangerine Dream, Edgar Froese and Chris Franke > commpact disc collection. > > I would really prefer to sell it as a package, but > realize that may be > asking the impossible. > > If you are sincerely interested, please email me > offlist at: > > noir43@d... > > Please use same subject as this email (just punch > reply). > > I will then forward the list to you... > > Please notice...first come, first served...and may > the best man (or woman) > win... ;-) > > > TIA, > > Ken > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.ambientissue.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From: 'heineu' Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 6:24 pm Subject: Burg Nideggen hello, I am back from my trip to the both shows of TD at the Burg Nideggen. And I must say, it was great. Two very good shows: INFERNO with more effects and fire works at on the Bernau or Berlin-Museumsinsel Shows. I was at a mystic location. Fantastic. A great thank you to Edgar , Jerome , Iris , Jaymey , Anja ,Martin and all the other people from TDI Crew for the possible to meet the Group after the show backstage. Thank you very much, it was a pleasure. Pictures from boths show will follow at my Homepage this week, watch out, then pictures says more then 1000 words. :-) Regards Heiko - Mr. Optical http://www.opticaldream.de From: 'fozziebear' Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 7:59 pm Subject: Bulletin I've just got back from a month in Poland and Prague, floods permitting, so please bear this in mind when reading my comments. I've got loads of emails to catch up with and I have been reading some of the debate about forums / bulletins. I am way behind with the thread and I have not read all of them or any conclusions to the debate yet I like Marion's observations. My view - If there can be something like there is now with extras for people to 'forum' as much as they want I am for that. I like the present emails system in plane text. I usually read all the emails and delete quickly those that are not of particluar interest. I am very pleased that this community is growing. It shows that there is interest for people to stick around. All credit to the organisers and contributors. I am pleased there is input from TDI. This list is growing up. I am for change if we can have 'access' to and use of what we have now got, independence from Yahoo and freedom to talk of taboo subjects. My 2 zlotys worth David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 11:20 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 1469 Greetings, This is NOT a spam, but has any one heard or tried this device. Right now, I run the output from my soundcard into my receiver and use the main stereo speakers for listening. This device uses a USB connector to a stereo and claims to improve the sound. Please, respond if you know if this is fact or fiction. Also, thanks to Herbert, who got me off MP3 and into shn. What a dramatic difference. Regards, DPH Subject: see to improve sound of MP3 files http://www.xitel.com/index.htm.xitel.com/index.htm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35708 Re: Digest Number 1469 Wade Gordon Mon 8/26/2002 3 KB 35721 Re: Digest Number 1469 richter_arne richter_arne Tue 8/27/2002 3 KB 35726 Re: Digest Number 1469 Administrator dale1kay Tue 8/27/2002 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Aug 26, 2002 12:36 am Subject: USB 'Sound Card' >From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' >Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 6:20 pm >Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 1469 > >This is NOT a spam, but has any one heard or tried this device. Right >now, I run the output from my soundcard into my receiver and use the >main stereo speakers for listening. This device uses a USB connector to >a stereo and claims to improve the sound. Please, respond if you know if >this is fact or fiction. > >http://www.xitel.com/index.htm >(corrected URL) Well, it sure sounds attractive from what I've read on their website. And my video card (GeForce 2 Xtasy Everything) has audio input, so I could completely forego by audio card. :) I really do need to replace my Creative Labs sound card (which has never had perfect results under Windows 2000 or XP) with something, whether it's a Turtle Beach or the device reviewed above. Oh, here's Creative Lab's full-blown USB option (a whole external sound card, vs the Xitel device which is playback only). >Also, thanks to Herbert, who got me off MP3 and into shn. What a >dramatic difference. An mp3 encoded with the typical mp3 software will definitely lose to SHN. An mp3 encoded with LAME at 192-224kbps quality after being captured with EAC should be completely indistinguishable from SHN. I am listening on Sennheiser phones. -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Aug 26, 2002 5:36 am Subject: USB Sound Card Replying to my own e-mails. I think I am getting senile... >Oh, here's Creative Lab's full-blown USB option (a whole external sound >card, vs the Xitel device which is playback only). I was talking about the Extigy. It's an external complete sound card solution. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35773 Re: USB Sound Card Janet Wojtecki caw8429 Thu 8/29/2002 3 KB 35775 AW: [tadream] USB Sound Card Herbert gae232 Thu 8/29/2002 5 KB 35774 Re: USB Sound Card tei waz teiwazbarana2002 Thu 8/29/2002 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Aug 26, 2002 9:41 am Subject: Nideggen concert review Saturday August 24th (very long & boring ;-) After having to drive around 450 kilometres with our car my wife (yes!..her first TD concert :-) and I arrived at the hotel in a small village near Nideggen, the town where the 'Eifel Festival' and the Inferno concert was taking place. TD had already performed the first of their two gigs and I was told that it was a great and sold out concert (ca. 600-700 seats). When we arrived at the hotel the lady at the receiption desk asked if we also wanted to see Tangerine Dream, it seems she was surprised that her hotel was almost fully booked ~lol~ She told me that she couldn't believe that people from all over the world (like Graham from Australia) come to Nideggen just to see them play. Little did she know.. There still was a couple of hours left before the start of the show, and so my wife and I decided to check out what is going on in the small town of Nideggen, and found a parking place near the castle. The town itself is relatively small but has a nice medieval touch, an apt scenery to what was lying in front of us. We went around the stage and had a look at the menu card of the restaurant that was on the opposite site, and once again I got the impression that since we have the new curreny some restaurant owners just replaced the Deutschmark with the new Euro sign, making it twice as expensive as before ;-) After having a look about what was going on we decided to drive back to our hotel, but before that a couple I hadn't recognized before asked me if my name was Heiko. It turned out that it was tadream list member Vincent Guerenne & his wife from Belgium (Hi Vincent! :-) . On our way back to the car we talked with them for a while and then drove back to the hotel. There we met British list member Alan Miller, and an hour later we were walking through the streets of Nideggen again, and I assume that half of the people there were TD fans wanting to see the concert. I noticed a couple of TD diehard fans (the usual suspects ;-) that were sitting outside of a pub, and so we joined them for a drink. A while later the Heerssens and Alan went up to the castle and met list member Volkmar Friauf and his wife. The five of us entered the restaurant and were lucky to catch a table (somehow I forgot that it would have been better to reserve some seats) We really had a great time there and all of sudden there was only half an hour left until the start of the show. So we headed out and all took our seats. Like all the other TD diehards I managed to get a ticket for the first row, and from there we had an excellent view of the stage setup. Meanwhile the sun had disappeared and it was becoming a bit colder. The concert started at 9.05 pm..but not with Tangerine Dream! Instead there was some kind of prologue, a recitation (sp?) of two verses from Dante's 'Inferno' , spoken in Italian language by Mara Redighieri. Unfortunately most of the audience (including yours truly) didn't understand the meaning of her words, and although this was a really unusual beginning to a TD concert she was greeted with warm applause. She talked for about 15 minutes. Soon after she ended the 'Inferno' crew walked in and the crowd gave them all a big roar. Edgar was sitting on the left, Iris Kulterer standing in the middle, and Jerome sitting on the right, and the choir singers were standing behind them (just like it was in Bernau and Berlin). Compared to the last 'Inferno' concert in Berlin the stage was relatively small, but then again this was no stage diving show with people jumping around like madmen ;-) There is not much for me to say about the music, it was very similar to what they played in Bernau & Berlin. But I noticed that since the 'world premiere' last October in Bernau a couple of tracks have undergone slightly different arrangements, and also Iris had some additional percussion instruments that she used for the first time. As always she was really 'into the groove' and smiling almost all of the time, and it was a real pleasure to look at her performance. Once again the female choir singers were excellent, and lead vocalist Jayney Klimek was always on the spot..I really like her voice! The lightshow was much better than the last time in Berlin, very colourful and full of effects..magnificent! Towards the end of the show they even had some stage firework (which at one point caused some problems because one of it accidently landed just a few feet away from Jerome, still burning) The sound was very 'fat', much louder than the Berlin concert, Iris' percussion sounds sent some shockwaves through my body and sometimes I was wishing for the sound to become a bit more quieter (it's funny that I am saying this because I often listen to TD music extremly loud under headphones ~lol~) After 80 minutes the show ended and almost the whole audience gave TD a standing ovation, and applauded for a couple of minutes. The TD crew looked overwhelmed by the reaction and I noticed a big grin on Edgar's face. Some were yelling for an encore but of course there none (next time I'd love to hear some passages of Inferno Part 2 as encore :-) I asked my wife if she liked the concert and to my surprise she said 'yes'..could it be we have a new TD fan here :-) After the show ended lots of fans waited outside, some of them went to the merchandise counter while others (incl. me) were hoping to see the band for a meet & greet. I had a 'Tangerine Tree 2' box for Martin (the TD manager), and also some replacement discs for Edgar which I wanted to give him since the ones I gave him after the Berlin concert were more or less different from the actual release in terms of sound quality & track indexing, Thanks to Martin (you wouldn't believe what a nice chap he is! :-) my wife and I were invited into the backstage area which was extremly small (I think even our living room is bigger) The room was crammed full with people, incl. the choir singers which I also met in Berlin. I saw Edgar and gave him my little 'tree' package and explained to him the reason why. After a couple of minutes it was time to go, and a few of us TD fans met again in the pub I mentioned before. The booze did flow and about 1pm we decided to drive back to the hotel. A perfect finish to what turned out to be a perfect day. Although I have seen the 'Inferno' show for the forth time now it was really worth it, and it was a good opportunity for me to see some new & familiar faces. Heiko P.S.: in the tour program of the 'Eifel-Festpiele' (Eifel Festival) there is also a six-page article about TD, and there it says 'that for this concert two additional keyboardists will also perform (John Malcolm and Barry Thompson, both from the UK)' erm..did anybody see them play or did they hide somewhere where no-one could see them? :-0 P.P.S.: I have four of these tour programs to give away, since they were for free I only ask to cover my postage cost. Anyone who is interested in having a copy please send me an email (off-list preferred ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35706 Re: Nideggen concert review Saturday August 24th John Marchington Mon 8/26/2002 10 KB 35707 Re: Nideggen concert review Saturday August 24th Heiko Heerssen Mon 8/26/2002 2 KB From: Marko Marin Date: Mon Aug 26, 2002 9:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] sleeping Not in any particular order... From TD: Alpha Centauri (the title track only) Zeit (the whole album ;-) Atem (Fauni Gena only) Phaedra (the whole album) Rubycon (first six minutes from Part One) From Oldfield Amarok (don't ask why it works for me but it did when I took a short nap :-) Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com