From:
David Hughes
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 7:50
am
Subject: OT : Zeit and Phaedra Sequencers
Hello folks,
Sorry for the blatent plug but...
For information about the Zeit and Phaedra sequences, go to :
http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk
and follow the link marked 'Instruments'.
The feature list is not yet frozen and contributions are most welcome. The
functional specification on the web page is an old version of the document and
it will be fully revised once we have the feature set defined.
To answer Marcel's question, yes, skip steps are fully supported - they were a
late addition to the specification and a large number of people have requested
this capability.
There is a discussion group for all things Zeit-related over on yahoogroups
called 'Infectioninstruments'. Traffic is low and contributions are most
welcome.
If you would like more information please contact me off list. I am more than
happy to answer any questions you might have.
Best wishes
David Hughes
Infection Music
http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 8:12
am
Subject: Fwd: [Mantovani] Problems
Hello all!
Dale's right. Yahoogroups must be really messed up. The Mantovani list
owner can't even post. He forwarded the message below asking me to post
it on his behalf.
But as it appears that the tadream list really isn't dead, I guess it's
moot and he will have to get his own list.
Ciao -- Mark
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: [Fwd: [Mantovani] Problems]
Hello.
It has come to our attention that though we've recycled the disused,
former tadream list, posts to it continue to be headed by '[tadream]'.
We are working on this problem and request your patience.
Regards,
Mantovani-owner
From:
René Brenner
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 10:10
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 SHN Downloading
To all who use shn: There is a new lossless format available called flac
which should result in smaller files than the corresponding .shn files.
It's released under the GNU General Public License and available for many
platforms e.g. Windows, Linux, *BSD, Solaris, OS X, etc.
You can get it from: http://flac.sourceforge.net/
Regards
René
On Fri, Jul 19, 2002 at 12:22:47 -0500, Morgan Feldon wrote:
> The Tangerine Tree 2 is being distributed as SHN files to retain the
> perfect quality of the original CDs.
>
> There are other sources for mp3 versions, if you are so inclined, but we
> are NOT seeding the tree in this manner.
From:
'E Neal Frost'
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 11:44
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1426
> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 06:23:06 -0000
> From: 'tangram80'
> Subject: German Auction
>
> Hello everyone
>
> I just noticed the following auction: isn't it awesome?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=895392159
>
> Rgds
> Jeffrey
You know, 35,000EU divided by the 503 members of this list is ONLY
69.58EU!!! Then the Tadream Mailing list can have it's own, professional
studio for the exclusive use of each of the list members. It could also be
used to master concert recordings and other things.
So to whom should I send my 70.00EU to?????
Neal
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From:
'mars103nl'
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 12:20
pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1426
--- In tadream@y..., 'E Neal Frost' wrote:
>
> You know, 35,000EU divided by the 503 members of this list is ONLY
> 69.58EU!!! Then the Tadream Mailing list can have it's own,
professional
> studio for the exclusive use of each of the list members. It could
also be
> used to master concert recordings and other things.
>
> So to whom should I send my 70.00EU to?????
Well count me out.
I don't find any interesting instruments on that
equipment-list apart from maybe the MemoryMoog.
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 12:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1426
That is about 2,86 min. to each member pr
day...........................................sounds like a good deal......=O)
Jan
> You know, 35,000EU divided by the 503 members of this list is ONLY
> 69.58EU!!! Then the Tadream Mailing list can have it's own, professional
> studio for the exclusive use of each of the list members. It could also be
> used to master concert recordings and other things.
>
> So to whom should I send my 70.00EU to?????
>
> Neal
From:
ampmusic
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 1:00
pm
Subject: Re: Schulze
Message: 2
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 06:23:06 -0000
From: 'tangram80'
Subject: German Auction
Hello everyone
I just noticed the following auction: isn't it awesome?
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=895392159
Rgds
Jeffrey
If you think about it, all he's doing is selling the mixing desk/s,
which studios regularly do when they want to update, plus a couple of
older keyboards and samplers, some Quasimidi modules of which he has
about 17 remaining, and some old PA and processing gear.
It probably indicates that like a lot of studios he's going over to the
use of virtual synths on a big computer - a much more efficient way to
work (not that I've done it myself - still around 25 instruments listed
on the 'Sequencer Loops' CD).
Did a quick visit to Mike Oldfield's studio last week. It's now much
more sparse than it used to be, as he's going over to virtual synths
too. Full interview at http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/emix.html in the
next few days...
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 1:26
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #279
[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
Show #279 July 25, 2002.
RECAP:
On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Robert Carty, who creates
ambient and spacemusic from his unique perspective. The Featured CD at
midnight was 'Source' on the Deep Sky label.
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Heaven and Hell' by Vangelis on the RCA
label.
Robert Carty http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jul
PLAYLIST:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Vangelis Part 2 * Heaven and Hell (RCA)
T-Bass UK The Fabulous Neutrinos The Fabulous Neutrinos
(Infection Music)
Wave World The Plains of Narrdal Another Strange Day on Gonxa
(VFR Records)
Jonn Serrie Dawn Trader Planetary Chronicles Vol. 1
(Miramar)
Wave World Trasyyqhu Another Strange Day on Gonxa
(VFR Records)
VA [Ben Neill] Chenistry of 7 The Gatherings (Synkronos)
Dweller at the Walk in the Dust CDR from Paul (none)
Threshold
VA [Jeff Greinke] Vocal Overlay The Gatherings (Synkronos)
Tom Seche au debut op. 1 Step by Step (Rocket to the
Moon)
Terra Ambient Aether * The Darker Space (Space for
Music)
12:00 am
Robert Carty Breath Source (Deep Sky)
Robert Carty Electric Blood Source (Deep Sky)
Robert Carty Roots of Soul Source (Deep Sky)
Robert Carty Discover 1 Source (Deep Sky)
Robert Carty Discover 2 Source (Deep Sky)
Robert Carty Discover 3 Source (Deep Sky)
Robert Carty Discover 4 Source (Deep Sky)
1:00 am
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Hemisphere. The Featured
CD at Midnight will be 'Intruders' on the Groove label.
The vinyl show starter will be from the soundtrack LP 'Angst' by Klaus Schulze
on the IC label.
Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg. Show Site: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic
Radio Station Web Site: http://wdiyfm.org
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!]
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 1:49
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for July, 2002
WDIY 88.1 FM 'EMUSIC' Top 20 report to
New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for July, 2002.
Shows #276 to #279; 4-July-2002 to 25-July-2002
Reported in non-ranked order.
Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@f...
CONTACT: billfox@f...
http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic
ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL
============================
Bjorn Lynne - Colony - none
Dino Pacifici - special cdr - none
Klangwelt - Weltweit - Spheric
Mark Jenkins - Sequencer Loops - AMP
Paul Ellis - Into the Liquid Unknown - Binary
Robert Carty - Energy - Deep Sky
Robert Carty - Gateway - Deep Sky
Robert Carty - Midnight Rainbows - Deep Sky
Robert Carty - Source - Deep Sky
Ron Boots - Liquid Structures in Solid Form - Groove
T-Bass UK - The Fabulous Neutrinos - Infection Music
Terra Ambient - The Darker Space - Space for Music
Various Artists - Beyond Me - Neu Harmony
Various Artists - First Decade - Manikin
Various Artists - Lost & Found - Foundry/Hypnos
Various Artists - Portraits - In the Bubble Music
Various Artists - The Gatherings - Synkronos
Vir Unis and Chris Short - The Yellow House - In the Bubble Music
Vir Unis and Saul Stokes - Thermal Transfer - Binary
Wave World - Another Strange Day on Gonxa - VFR Records
Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg. Show Site: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic
Radio Station Web Site: http://wdiyfm.org
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!]
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 3:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 SHN Downloading
Great... does this mean we go back to square on for the FTP? It they are
smaller and quality is the same, this would be a good thing for those on
slow boat to China connections.
Dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
By the Way
Mark is Evil and his LFO is on Ramp
----- Original Message -----
From: 'René Brenner'
To:
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 3:10 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2 SHN Downloading
> To all who use shn: There is a new lossless format available called flac
> which should result in smaller files than the corresponding .shn files.
>
> It's released under the GNU General Public License and available for many
> platforms e.g. Windows, Linux, *BSD, Solaris, OS X, etc.
>
> You can get it from: http://flac.sourceforge.net/
>
> Regards
> René
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2002 at 12:22:47 -0500, Morgan Feldon wrote:
> > The Tangerine Tree 2 is being distributed as SHN files to retain the
> > perfect quality of the original CDs.
> >
> > There are other sources for mp3 versions, if you are so inclined, but we
> > are NOT seeding the tree in this manner.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 3:30
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1426
Interesting idea... Not only that but could be rest it out to ourselves and
others to pay the additional expenses, then perhaps make a tidy profit to
use to get us off the Yahoo monkey on the back?
dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
By the Way
Mark is Evil and his LFO is on Ramp
----- Original Message -----
From: 'E Neal Frost'
To:
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 4:44 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1426
> > Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 06:23:06 -0000
> > From: 'tangram80'
> > Subject: German Auction
> >
> > Hello everyone
> >
> > I just noticed the following auction: isn't it awesome?
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=895392159
> >
> > Rgds
> > Jeffrey
>
> You know, 35,000EU divided by the 503 members of this list is ONLY
> 69.58EU!!! Then the Tadream Mailing list can have it's own, professional
> studio for the exclusive use of each of the list members. It could also be
> used to master concert recordings and other things.
>
> So to whom should I send my 70.00EU to?????
>
> Neal
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 3:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Schulze
Do you think he is going Spartan? I think, at least this works out for me,
one has to have a bit of both in the studio. The trend towards virtual is
great but how about all those other trends in the past? Seems a bit of both
worlds would be the solution. In my experience so far with using both, the
virtual is great but tends to lead me astray. Using actual hardware seems to
ensure the discipline needed to get the job done. Mind set I am sure.
Dale
Administrator for Kay-Net.com
admin@k...
661-723-0266
Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.
By the Way
Mark is Evil and his LFO is on Ramp
----- Original Message -----
From: 'ampmusic'
To:
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 6:00 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Schulze
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 06:23:06 -0000
> From: 'tangram80'
> Subject: German Auction
>
> Hello everyone
>
> I just noticed the following auction: isn't it awesome?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=895392159
>
> Rgds
> Jeffrey
>
>
> If you think about it, all he's doing is selling the mixing desk/s,
> which studios regularly do when they want to update, plus a couple of
> older keyboards and samplers, some Quasimidi modules of which he has
> about 17 remaining, and some old PA and processing gear.
>
> It probably indicates that like a lot of studios he's going over to the
> use of virtual synths on a big computer - a much more efficient way to
> work (not that I've done it myself - still around 25 instruments listed
> on the 'Sequencer Loops' CD).
>
> Did a quick visit to Mike Oldfield's studio last week. It's now much
> more sparse than it used to be, as he's going over to virtual synths
> too. Full interview at http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/emix.html in the
> next few days...
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 4:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] [Mantovani] Greetings
Dan? If this isn't a joke, I truly welcome you back. It has been a long time
not seeing you around. Still creating music? 8-Dell
>From: Mark Filipak
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To: tadream
>Subject: [tadream] [Mantovani] Greetings
>Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 02:05:26 -0400
>
>We have a new Mantovani fan, who just joined. Welcome Dan Schulte!
>
>Enjoy the music. -- Mark
As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:15
pm
Subject: [mantovani] great news
fans of mantovani may want to check out '101 Strings Orchestra'--sounds just
like him.
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:00
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] GWOC, SHN, studio, bouncing mails
Vic Rek said about GWOC:
'You should give it a listen - they are a few great tracks on that CD!'
I second that; although it's not fascinating, it's quite interesting. Every
time I play it - although that rarely happens - I like it better.
The same happens with Exit. ;)
--------------
Then René Brenner, about SHN:
>'To all who use shn: There is a new lossless format available called flac
>which should result in smaller files than the corresponding .shn files.'
SHN, then OGG Vorbis, now Flac... now this can really make a headache.
an mp3 player, an MD portable player, or a mp3-capable cd player (or the single
CD-format mp3-capable player), oh what should i get? oh I just hate and love
technology. well, better stay with my old turntable (which is an old-fashioned
cd player with am/fm). and play beethoven's 5th and nine inch nails' 'and all
that could have been'.
----------------
Then Dale, about the bouncing mails:
>'(...) This is what yahoo messages told me. All the groups I belong too where
shut down from sending me mail. Due to my mail bouncing back.(...)'
yeah. this mysterious bouncing happens here from time to time; unfortunately
I've already got used to it. I don't know why this happens. I check my mail at
least two times a day, so the box is always empty...
-----------------
Finally, Neal Frost, about the studio for sale:
>'You know, 35,000EU divided by the 503 members of this list is ONLY
>69.58EU!!! Then the Tadream Mailing list can have it's own, professional
>studio for the exclusive use of each of the list members. It could also be
>used to master concert recordings and other things.'
Does it come with fancy portable transoceanic teleporting devices?
GJ
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:37
pm
Subject: Sound Formats
As much as people might talk about OGG Vorbis, Flac, etc. etc., let's look
at the standards.
SHN is a standard. It's used to distribute fantapes by fans of many
different music groups in this country. We didn't just pick it out of a
hat. If Flac has a substantial size difference, than we'll look into it.
Otherwise, we should stick with the standard. I think people forget that
not everyone is a techie. Everyone is still getting up to speed on SHN and
into the habit of verifying the concerts we get with them (Tangerine Tree 2
is 8 SHN CDs by the way).
OGG Vorbis to me is a non-starter. mp3 at 192 or 256 is already very good
quality and there are hundreds of thousands of mp3 players out there. Maybe
if I could go into a store and buy a player that worked with OGG Vorbis, I
MIGHT consider it, but then the sound quality would have to be
significantly better in a smaller size for me to start dealing with 2
formats. At 192kbps quality, I can comfortably fit 8 hours of music on a
single mp3 CD. That's pretty hard to beat for a $110 player and 25 cent
blank CDs. My entire TD collection exists as mp3s so that everything is
easily accessible. My TD CDs are in storage or in the closet. :)
And there are dozens of different mp3 models out there, anything from the
truly portable memory stick-type mp3 players (which I have no interest in),
to the new micro CD mp3 players, which play those new 3' CDs (about 3 hours
capacity per disc), and of course my favorite, the mp3 CD players. The
nicer ones display the artist and track names and times, or if you select
it, the filename.
I think that mp3 and SHN are going to be around for a long time. And this
is not an attempt to try to switch people to new formats (Betamax,
Laserdisc, 8 track). I think audio CDs will be around for a long time, but
they will be used differently. Instead of buying a CD to play, you'll buy a
CD to add the music to your collection (which might be on a portable mp3
player like an iPod, on multiple mp3 CDs, or in a jukebox in your car).
Then the CD goes in storage. :)
-Morgan
From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 7:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] [Mantovani] Greetings
Nah, it *has* to be a joke if Dano is being welcomed
with open arms -- *anywhere*. ;)
Stephe Feldman, androgyne
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TransRomance listowner
http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster
On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:46:36 -0400 'Adele Outland'
writes:
> Dan? If this isn't a joke, I truly welcome you back. It has been a
> long time not seeing you around. Still creating music? 8-Dell
>
>
> >From: Mark Filipak
> >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> >To: tadream
> >Subject: [tadream] [Mantovani] Greetings
> >Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 02:05:26 -0400
> >
> >We have a new Mantovani fan, who just joined. Welcome Dan Schulte!
> >
> >Enjoy the music. -- Mark
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 6:48
am
Subject: EM CDs Available
Excuse me for the self promotion, but to celebrate my 1,000th visitor at
www.ricochetdream.com I have decided to sell certain CDs - mainly latest
releases and artists associated with the Ricochet Gathering. The lastest
Tangerine Dream CDs are there, along with DSOM IX, Klaus Schulze
Contemporary Works II (pre-order), and others. Check it out, and the prices
are good, especially for the fans living in the USA.
Soon I'll be adding great artists like: AirSculpture, Free System Projekt,
Arcane and artists from Manikin.
VicRek
www.ricochetdream.com
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From:
Eric Williamson
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 8:20
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Schulze
Administrator for kay-net.com wrote:
> Do you think he is going Spartan? I think, at least this works out for me,
absolutely not.
that sale of his equipment seems to me to be more of a cleaning-house sort
of sale than a spartanisation routine. nothing that he's selling has been
used on an album for awhile now.
Mixer: replaced with Soundcraft Ghost
Synths: all kind of non-essential. he's got like 3 more EIVs, 17 more
Quasimidi thingies, ANOTHER linntronics Memorymoog, and lots of other stuff.
those Quasars are _JUNK_.
Pooters: old. been replaced.
Monitors: probably replaced.
software: upgraded.
Klaus Schulze is one of those special electro musicians who totally forsake
multitimbrality in synthesisers for useability and sound reasons. he has
always and will continue to have more gear onstage than _anyone_ else.
including me ... but i'm working on it.
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 8:35
am
Subject: [sonambulistic imagery] 'release date'
> Here you go, Thomas (from my Chronology):
>
> 'Sonambulistic Imagery'
> [1993] Blue Moon (TW?) BM-5/BM-6 (boot, KB sound: 9, brittle highs,
> nice insert booklet)
Hi,
those of you who use my sound quality rating as a refernece
(a wise decision, by the way :-), please be aware of some
past actions:
Three times since it's introduction, in 1982, I did an
across-the-board downgrading of all live tapes by one grade.
This was done to free up top rankings as better and better
recording gear became available, digital being the latest.
Also, during the search for the best available source tapes
for the T.Tree project, quite a few individual recvordings
received in-depth scrutiny and got re-rated.
Sonambulistic Imagery stands at an '8' now.
best regards,
klaus
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From:
'omegatransfinito'
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 9:00
am
Subject: A question about TT 1&2 covers
Apparently the standard in the Tangerine Tree is to name all
tracks on all post-80 volumes, but many of the 70s volumes have
simply 'Part 1', 'Part 2' etc.
Which is somewhat boring since they're not even Part n's of
something*. I mean, we have Rubycon Part 1, Tangram Set 2,
etc. but TT tracks are referred to by simply the date&venue. IMHO
'Quichotte Part 2' sounds a whole lot better (as a name) than
'Berlin Palast Der Republik 31.01.1980 Set 2 Part 2'
I understand that not every of the several dozens (even
hundreds?) of T.Dream's improvised 70's concerts can get a
name; but since some of them already have names given by
some of us on this list:
(And here comes my real request)
Maff, Marko and Gustavo: would it be too big a job to change
some of the track titles into 'real' titles from plain Part 1-2-3s?
Here's a list of what I think has been named afterwards so far:
TT vol1:
Track 1 = Scale Deluxe
Track 2 = Sorcerer Supreme
Track 3 = Indolent Annihilation
TT vol2 = Concave Streams
TT vol6:
Track 1 = Live Grove
Track 2 = Straits of Noon
Tracks 3&4 unnamed
TT vol8 = Birth of a Black Hole
Also, if anyone out there feels similarily about track names;
please contact me (johnvertical@h...), we could invent
a few further titles, too.
John Vertical
PS: And just what is this sudden Mantovani plague? I've seen
some vague hints, but no real explanations.
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From:
'omegatransfinito'
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 9:04
am
Subject: Free sound editor
Does anyone know any free Mac AIFF music editors? I don't
really need anything more special than simple cut&paste, fading,
and perhaps (though not necessarily) pitch/speed adjustment
features.
John Vertical
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 9:35
am
Subject: Re: Alien Seagull, again
>Well, I was being poetic, but I should have said the
>chronological appearance of Chris Franke's alien
>seagull sound. I stand corrected.
I think it actually has evolved a bit. The appearences in Dominion and
Yellowstone Park are rather distinctive...
Anyway, I like the idea.
The next step could be exploring&catalogizing the appearences of the
Monolight sequences, the Ricochet II themes, and other music bits appearing
throughout the 75-77 live material... (Just a suggestion, if you have free
time on your hands)
John Vertical
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 10:45
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] A question about TT 1&2 covers
From: 'omegatransfinito'
> Apparently the standard in the Tangerine Tree is to name all
> tracks on all post-80 volumes, but many of the 70s volumes have
> simply 'Part 1', 'Part 2' etc.
[snip]
I tend to agree, some made up track names would be nice. The cover designers
don't get to decide the track names though, that's Heikos domain. We're
handed the tracks, times and credits, and then we design the graphics and
stick those details on top.
For the next Tree, how about members of the list submitting track titles?
You don't need to have heard the track already, just come up with the most
exciting names you can, then we can compile a list and Heiko can pick the
best and assign them to the most appropriate tracks?
John, would you be willing to accept the submissions and compile the list?
Maff
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From:
Rolf Elfström
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 10:53
am
Subject: Re: A question about TT 1&2 covers
>I tend to agree, some made up track names would be nice. The cover designers
>don't get to decide the track names though, that's Heikos domain. We're
>handed the tracks, times and credits, and then we design the graphics and
>stick those details on top.
I for one must say that I prefer the 'Part 1', 'Part 2' etc. -naming.
I rather have those than pseudo-TD mockup names that in most cases are
just plain silly...
Rolf
From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 12:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Free sound editor
on 27/07/02 11:04, omegatransfinito at johnvertical@h... wrote:
> Does anyone know any free Mac AIFF music editors? I don't
> really need anything more special than simple cut&paste, fading,
> and perhaps (though not necessarily) pitch/speed adjustment
> features.
>
> John Vertical
>
Sound Studio 2.0
Paul
From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 8:54
pm
Subject: Track titles on TT discs
Just my objective view to both sides of this one......
It seems as though giving the live 1970's improvised pieces actual track
names goes against the whole ethic and philosophy of TD's approch to live
music in this era. As we all know, their live output at this time was a
spontaneous reaction to how the three members felt at that precise moment on
stage in that arena, at that exact time, representing how they felt as human
beings, and presenting every thought and emotion as musical expression.
Edgar would no doubt argue that to label such fluid expression is
meaningless. I guess this is precisely the reason why most of TD's earlier
live albums have titles like 'Ricochet Part One', 'Logos Part Two', etc.
Even the variety of titles on 'Encore' don't even begin to explain the
several movements explored through each 17-20 minute track.
To back this up, I have a music press interview with Peter Baumann from
sometime during the mid 70's, in which he explains that the band would
prefer not to give names to any of the tracks they compose/record/perform
either in the studio or on stage. He explains they would just prefer to call
them '1976 piece 5, etc'.
Having said that, solely from a fan point of view, it would be far easier to
give everything titles, especially when trying to remind another fan of a
certain live track. Instead of saying to them: 'you know that piece they
played at Manchester 1976, the one with the metallic effects and deep
strings at the start, then that flute melody comes in after 5
minutes.......', we could instead refer them to the 'fan-given' title. Also,
I do believe that the title of a track often adds something to its feel. Go
and listen to 'Ricochet' while pretending it's called 'Tangam'! Kind of
alters your perception of it just a little. But I guess this is exactly the
reason Edgar would prefer to work without titles: because naming something
changes it minutely, and I'm sure they would prefer us to experience their
music in the exact terms in which it was conceived.
So, pro and cons in my mind. Does anyone else agree/disgree with all
this...?
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Rolf Elfström
To:
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 3:53 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: A question about TT 1&2 covers
>
> >I tend to agree, some made up track names would be nice. The cover
designers
> >don't get to decide the track names though, that's Heikos domain. We're
> >handed the tracks, times and credits, and then we design the graphics and
> >stick those details on top.
>
> I for one must say that I prefer the 'Part 1', 'Part 2' etc. -naming.
> I rather have those than pseudo-TD mockup names that in most cases are
> just plain silly...
>
> Rolf
>
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 2:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Free sound editor
> > Does anyone know any free Mac AIFF music editors? I don't
> > really need anything more special than simple cut&paste, fading,
> > and perhaps (though not necessarily) pitch/speed adjustment
> > features.
> >
> > John Vertical
> >
>
>Sound Studio 2.0
>
>Paul
I rather need a freeware program, if there are any; I don't have that much
things to that that I'd be willing to pay for the program. I only need the
most basic features...
Our CDR burning software already allows me to make excerpts, except that no
fading out is possible. That's what I need, not much else.
I know there was a program called Sound Editor, but it for some reason
doesn't edit the System 9 sound format.
John Vertical
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 3:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] A question about TT 1&2 covers
Personally, I prefer them without names if they didn't have them before, but at
the same time I think names help to identify a track, like Chris Owen said.
Plus, they can be inspiring for the artwork, like the one I made for Paris
Bataclan 81, inspired by the name 'Undulation' (I'm not sure if this one was
invented or not). Still, my vote is for no invented names - just like we're not
using old bootleg titles like 'Coefficient'.
>> Apparently the standard in the Tangerine Tree is to name all
>> tracks on all post-80 volumes, but many of the 70s volumes have
>> simply 'Part 1', 'Part 2' etc.
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 5:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] EM CDs Available
You made it over the 1000th mark!
Congrats to you!
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'vic rek'
To: 'TD List' ; 'TD List (unmod)'
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 11:48 PM
Subject: [tadream] EM CDs Available
> Excuse me for the self promotion, but to celebrate my 1,000th visitor at
> www.ricochetdream.com I have decided to sell certain CDs - mainly latest
> releases and artists associated with the Ricochet Gathering. The lastest
> Tangerine Dream CDs are there, along with DSOM IX, Klaus Schulze
> Contemporary Works II (pre-order), and others. Check it out, and the
prices
> are good, especially for the fans living in the USA.
>
> Soon I'll be adding great artists like: AirSculpture, Free System Projekt,
> Arcane and artists from Manikin.
>
> VicRek
> www.ricochetdream.com
>
>
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 5:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Schulze
You know you have too much gear when it takes you a week to set it up before
you play for a few hours.
dale's rule of thumb #5. Till then, put it on the stage.
You know you have too much gear when it requires a small stadium to install
all the equipment, then one city scale generator to power it.
dale's rule of thumb #8. Till then, put it on the stage.
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Eric Williamson'
To:
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 1:20 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Schulze
> Administrator for kay-net.com wrote:
> > Do you think he is going Spartan? I think, at least this works out for
me,
>
> absolutely not.
>
> that sale of his equipment seems to me to be more of a cleaning-house sort
> of sale than a spartanisation routine. nothing that he's selling has been
> used on an album for awhile now.
>
> Mixer: replaced with Soundcraft Ghost
>
> Synths: all kind of non-essential. he's got like 3 more EIVs, 17 more
> Quasimidi thingies, ANOTHER linntronics Memorymoog, and lots of other
stuff.
> those Quasars are _JUNK_.
>
> Pooters: old. been replaced.
>
> Monitors: probably replaced.
>
> software: upgraded.
>
> Klaus Schulze is one of those special electro musicians who totally
forsake
> multitimbrality in synthesisers for useability and sound reasons. he has
> always and will continue to have more gear onstage than _anyone_ else.
>
> including me ... but i'm working on it.
>
> Eric Williamson
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>
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 5:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] A question about TT 1&2 covers
This too I noticed.
I just thought that perhaps, once you got the disk, art work, one might just
name them as they see fit. When it became to time to talk about them, they
would have some relation back to the originals so we all know. The naming
seemed to keep it in some type of organization to get them on CD.
Your suggestions are good. I am not sure everyone would agree.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'omegatransfinito'
To:
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 2:00 AM
Subject: [tadream] A question about TT 1&2 covers
> Apparently the standard in the Tangerine Tree is to name all
> tracks on all post-80 volumes, but many of the 70s volumes have
> simply 'Part 1', 'Part 2' etc.
> Which is somewhat boring since they're not even Part n's of
> something*. I mean, we have Rubycon Part 1, Tangram Set 2,
> etc. but TT tracks are referred to by simply the date&venue. IMHO
> 'Quichotte Part 2' sounds a whole lot better (as a name) than
> 'Berlin Palast Der Republik 31.01.1980 Set 2 Part 2'
>
> I understand that not every of the several dozens (even
> hundreds?) of T.Dream's improvised 70's concerts can get a
> name; but since some of them already have names given by
> some of us on this list:
>
> (And here comes my real request)
>
> Maff, Marko and Gustavo: would it be too big a job to change
> some of the track titles into 'real' titles from plain Part 1-2-3s?
> Here's a list of what I think has been named afterwards so far:
>
> TT vol1:
> Track 1 = Scale Deluxe
> Track 2 = Sorcerer Supreme
> Track 3 = Indolent Annihilation
>
> TT vol2 = Concave Streams
>
> TT vol6:
> Track 1 = Live Grove
> Track 2 = Straits of Noon
> Tracks 3&4 unnamed
>
> TT vol8 = Birth of a Black Hole
>
> Also, if anyone out there feels similarily about track names;
> please contact me (johnvertical@h...), we could invent
> a few further titles, too.
>
> John Vertical
>
> PS: And just what is this sudden Mantovani plague? I've seen
> some vague hints, but no real explanations.
>
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From:
Rolf Elfström
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 5:37
pm
Subject: Re: Track titles on TT discs
>Having said that, solely from a fan point of view, it would be far easier to
>give everything titles, especially when trying to remind another fan of a
>certain live track. Instead of saying to them: 'you know that piece they
>played at Manchester 1976, the one with the metallic effects and deep
>strings at the start, then that flute melody comes in after 5
>minutes.......', we could instead refer them to the 'fan-given' title.
What's wrong with refering to them as 'Tangerine Tree Vol. xx Track/Part xx'?
Easy enough for me... ;)
Rolf
From:
'Steve'
Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 6:12
pm
Subject: Attn: Duncan
Would Duncan, to whom I owe blanks for TT2, please contact me off list at
steve@c... ? This morning my CPU died of heatstroke, and while I
can access most data on its drives by putting them into another machine,
accessing my mail isn't so easy, and that's the only place I have your
snailmail address stored...
Steve
From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 6:42
pm
Subject: [tadream] Anthology
Hi all
Can anyone who has copy of 'Journey Through a Burning Brain' answer a
question about track 11:
11. Dolphin Dance [As part of the track 'Livemiles II: Berlin Concert']
9:20
This doesn't make sense of course, which album is this track taken from
exactly?
Paul
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 6:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Alien Seagull, again
That's exactly the idea for the radio program, 'By
George, I think he's got it.'
Anyway, give it a listen at www.lougentile.com. It is
now running 24/7 and the Vic Rek program is getting
lots of e-mail at soundexplorer@a...
Get with me privately and We'll flesh out a program.
Wade
--- John Vertical wrote:
> >Well, I was being poetic, but I should have said
> the
> >chronological appearance of Chris Franke's alien
> >seagull sound. I stand corrected.
>
>
> I think it actually has evolved a bit. The
> appearences in Dominion and
> Yellowstone Park are rather distinctive...
>
> Anyway, I like the idea.
> The next step could be exploring&catalogizing the
> appearences of the
> Monolight sequences, the Ricochet II themes, and
> other music bits appearing
> throughout the 75-77 live material... (Just a
> suggestion, if you have free
> time on your hands)
>
> John Vertical
>
>
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 2:52
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthology
Hi Paul,
As we all know, Dolphin Dance is of course from Underwater Sunlight, but the
anthology seems to be referring to the 10 minute or so section towards the
end of of LiveMiles Part 2, which kind of loosely 'improvises' around some
of the themes of Dolphin Dance.
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Fellows
To:
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:42 AM
Subject: [tadream] Anthology
> Hi all
>
> Can anyone who has copy of 'Journey Through a Burning Brain' answer a
> question about track 11:
>
> 11. Dolphin Dance [As part of the track 'Livemiles II: Berlin Concert']
> 9:20
>
> This doesn't make sense of course, which album is this track taken from
> exactly?
>
> Paul
>
>
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 7:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthology
What's the story on this new box set. In other words,
is it worth the effort to get. Does it have any
unreleased stuff on it? Is it like Tangents or i-box?
Wade
--- Chris Owen wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> As we all know, Dolphin Dance is of course from
> Underwater Sunlight, but the
> anthology seems to be referring to the 10 minute or
> so section towards the
> end of of LiveMiles Part 2, which kind of loosely
> 'improvises' around some
> of the themes of Dolphin Dance.
>
> - Chris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Fellows
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:42 AM
> Subject: [tadream] Anthology
>
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > Can anyone who has copy of 'Journey Through a
> Burning Brain' answer a
> > question about track 11:
> >
> > 11. Dolphin Dance [As part of the track
> 'Livemiles II: Berlin Concert']
> > 9:20
> >
> > This doesn't make sense of course, which album is
> this track taken from
> > exactly?
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 7:19
pm
Subject: Anthology
>What's the story on this new box set. In other words,
>is it worth the effort to get. Does it have any
>unreleased stuff on it? Is it like Tangents or i-box?
>
>Wade
It is yet another compilation of nothing new, while hundreds of concert
tapes languish in the archives.
At least Tangents, Dream Roots, and I-Box each had 40-60 minutes of
unreleased music on them (doctored to hell, granted).
-Morgan
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 7:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthology
> >What's the story on this new box set. In other words,
> >is it worth the effort to get. Does it have any
> >unreleased stuff on it? Is it like Tangents or i-box?
> >
> >Wade
>
>It is yet another compilation of nothing new, while hundreds of concert
>tapes languish in the archives.
>
>At least Tangents, Dream Roots, and I-Box each had 40-60 minutes of
>unreleased music on them (doctored to hell, granted).
>
>-Morgan
I'd be happy to get even released stuff, if they were rare.. Doesn't Castle
have the rights for Ultima Thule Part 2, Dolphin Smile and other such
tracks?
John Vertical
np: Vanishing Blue (and I don't think it has been 'doctored to hell'. The
bonus tracks on Tangents do too sound like they had gotten away with little,
if any, adjustments.)
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 7:37
pm
Subject: Klaus in Holland
Hi all,
just to let everybody know who's waiting for comments to TT2 from me, or
wants to set up trades in the near future:
For the next 8 weeks, I'm working in Nijmegen Mon-Wed, with my other
obligations this means that I will rarely be home and all trading
activity will have to take a summer break.
cheers,
klaus
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 7:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] A question about TT 1&2 covers
Looks like his subject raises many rather different opinions. What year was
that Baumann interview from? I'm not sure if they anymore think similarly;
we can probably be sure (?) about Edgar, judging by Soundmill Navigator.
Yes, we _can_ distinguish tracks even if they have names. But my opinion
still is that tracks are better with names - as long as they don't sound
like they originated from a random title generator, like 'Marmosets Glowing
In A Flowerpot' would. I mean, inventing a title doesn't exactly require the
skills of Hemingway, and I guess it could be possible to think names that
would go well with the existing TD track titles.
Should we set a poll about this at Yahoo?
At least Hamburg 78 (vol11) should get its titles. It's not a FFB era
recording you seem to primarily be defending, right?
>Personally, I prefer them without names if they didn't have them before,
>but at the same time I think names help to identify a track, like Chris
>Owen said. Plus, they can be inspiring for the artwork, like the one I made
>for Paris Bataclan 81, inspired by the name 'Undulation' (I'm not sure if
>this one was invented or not). Still, my vote is for no invented names -
>just like we're not using old bootleg titles like 'Coefficient'.
I think Undulation exactly is a bootleg title, just like Thermal Inversion,
Dremscape, etc. What do you mean by 'invented'? Is a title less good if it's
made up by a normal fan instead of a bootlegger?
Oh, and I do too think that at least Royal Albert Hall should remain
untitled. People seem to have strong feelings especially about that..
John Vertical
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From:
Rolf Elfström
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 8:16
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Subject: Re: A question about TT 1&2 covers
>Yes, we _can_ distinguish tracks even if they have names. But my opinion
>still is that tracks are better with names - as long as they don't sound
>like they originated from a random title generator, like 'Marmosets Glowing
>In A Flowerpot' would. I mean, inventing a title doesn't exactly require the
>skills of Hemingway, and I guess it could be possible to think names that
>would go well with the existing TD track titles.
Well, to me 'Marmosets Glowing In A Flowerpot' sound just as 'good' as
any of the names you listed... :-) My point is that I usually don't want
my mind pushed towards any 'images' or 'mindsets' because of a title,
UNLESS the guy(s)/girl(s) who wrote the piece gave it a name in the first
place.
Surely, I can agree that you don't have to be a Hemingway to invent
song-titles.
Especially if you don't regard them as important in the first place. But to
me a 'title' suggest the frame of mind I have when I listen to the music.
Imagine 'Song of the whale' being called 'Rape of the flamingos' next time
you listen to it and you might catch my drift. Hemingway, no, but it does
takes something more than picking 'TD:ish' words and flipping grammar á la
Yoda.
And most importantly you need to know the intentions of the creator...
Rolf
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 4:25
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthology
I don't think we'll ever get much unreleased stuff from Castle as it costs a
hell of a lot more to get the rights to previously-unreleased music as it
does to constantly churn out best-of CDs and (now they've bought a
thesaurus) 'anthologies', and I don't think they're a big enough outfit to
out-bid the likes of Virgin. They would appear to only have the rights to
certain LPs. But with all these compilations, maybe they're trying to rasie
enough funds to buy some unreleased stuff from Edgar! We live in hope...
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vertical
To:
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthology
> > >What's the story on this new box set. In other words,
> > >is it worth the effort to get. Does it have any
> > >unreleased stuff on it? Is it like Tangents or i-box?
> > >
> > >Wade
> >
> >It is yet another compilation of nothing new, while hundreds of concert
> >tapes languish in the archives.
> >
> >At least Tangents, Dream Roots, and I-Box each had 40-60 minutes of
> >unreleased music on them (doctored to hell, granted).
> >
> >-Morgan
>
>
> I'd be happy to get even released stuff, if they were rare.. Doesn't
Castle
> have the rights for Ultima Thule Part 2, Dolphin Smile and other such
> tracks?
>
> John Vertical
> np: Vanishing Blue (and I don't think it has been 'doctored to hell'. The
> bonus tracks on Tangents do too sound like they had gotten away with
little,
> if any, adjustments.)
>
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 4:27
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] A question about TT 1&2 covers
I'll try and dig out the Baumann interview for you John, and will post his
exact comments here if I can find it amongst 700 TD cuttings! I'm going
in.....
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vertical
To:
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] A question about TT 1&2 covers
> Looks like his subject raises many rather different opinions. What year
was
> that Baumann interview from? I'm not sure if they anymore think similarly;
> we can probably be sure (?) about Edgar, judging by Soundmill Navigator.
> Yes, we _can_ distinguish tracks even if they have names. But my opinion
> still is that tracks are better with names - as long as they don't sound
> like they originated from a random title generator, like 'Marmosets
Glowing
> In A Flowerpot' would. I mean, inventing a title doesn't exactly require
the
> skills of Hemingway, and I guess it could be possible to think names that
> would go well with the existing TD track titles.
>
> Should we set a poll about this at Yahoo?
>
> At least Hamburg 78 (vol11) should get its titles. It's not a FFB era
> recording you seem to primarily be defending, right?
>
>
> >Personally, I prefer them without names if they didn't have them before,
> >but at the same time I think names help to identify a track, like Chris
> >Owen said. Plus, they can be inspiring for the artwork, like the one I
made
> >for Paris Bataclan 81, inspired by the name 'Undulation' (I'm not sure if
> >this one was invented or not). Still, my vote is for no invented names -
> >just like we're not using old bootleg titles like 'Coefficient'.
>
>
> I think Undulation exactly is a bootleg title, just like Thermal
Inversion,
> Dremscape, etc. What do you mean by 'invented'? Is a title less good if
it's
> made up by a normal fan instead of a bootlegger?
>
> Oh, and I do too think that at least Royal Albert Hall should remain
> untitled. People seem to have strong feelings especially about that..
>
> John Vertical
>
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 9:10
pm
Subject: Castle
>I don't think we'll ever get much unreleased stuff from Castle as it costs a
>hell of a lot more to get the rights to previously-unreleased music as it
>does to constantly churn out best-of CDs and (now they've bought a
>thesaurus) 'anthologies', and I don't think they're a big enough outfit to
>out-bid the likes of Virgin. They would appear to only have the rights to
>certain LPs. But with all these compilations, maybe they're trying to rasie
>enough funds to buy some unreleased stuff from Edgar! We live in hope...
Out-bid?
You think Virgin would try to win the rights to release a 1972 album (to
which they don't own the rights, to my knowledge)? I don't think Virgin
inherited the rights to TD's prior output (live or released), did they?
Who does own this music from 1970-1973 and 1985-1991?
I hear everyone say that Virgin has the rights to not only the released
music, but also every live performance while TD was signed with Virgin.
Does this same clause apply to Castle or whomever owns the rights to
1970-1973 and 1985-1991?
Besides his own distaste for any TD music older than 10 years, what is
stopping Edgar from releasing a 1986 or 1973 concert?
-Morgan
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'Admin'
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 9:24
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Castle
ahh the loaded gun has been shown again...
next will the the smoking gun, not necessary the same as the loaded and the
gun with out bullets... not necessary related to either of the other three
either... still it must be shown (asked)
This problerly accounts for close to 12% of the list since day one?
The WHY??
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 2:10 PM
Subject: [tadream] Castle
>
> >I don't think we'll ever get much unreleased stuff from Castle as it
costs a
> >hell of a lot more to get the rights to previously-unreleased music as it
> >does to constantly churn out best-of CDs and (now they've bought a
> >thesaurus) 'anthologies', and I don't think they're a big enough outfit
to
> >out-bid the likes of Virgin. They would appear to only have the rights to
> >certain LPs. But with all these compilations, maybe they're trying to
rasie
> >enough funds to buy some unreleased stuff from Edgar! We live in hope...
>
>
> Out-bid?
>
> You think Virgin would try to win the rights to release a 1972 album (to
> which they don't own the rights, to my knowledge)? I don't think Virgin
> inherited the rights to TD's prior output (live or released), did they?
>
> Who does own this music from 1970-1973 and 1985-1991?
>
> I hear everyone say that Virgin has the rights to not only the released
> music, but also every live performance while TD was signed with Virgin.
> Does this same clause apply to Castle or whomever owns the rights to
> 1970-1973 and 1985-1991?
>
> Besides his own distaste for any TD music older than 10 years, what is
> stopping Edgar from releasing a 1986 or 1973 concert?
>
> -Morgan
>
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 10:11
pm
Subject: Zeit (French Emit Mix)
Even though this may be old news in some hardcore TD circles, I have to say
that today I discovered the 'backwards' version of Zeit! I call it the 'Emit
Mix' backward for 'Time' of course.
I had a Zeit LP in my collection that I never played until today (since I
just recently got a new needle). It is a French Virgin release from 1976
with the catalog number 940 108/109. I heard that this release may be
special so I finally played it. First off, when I pulled out the LP some
kind of press insert from 1975 with Michael Hoenig fell out! It is
beautiful and in French. Check out the low-resolution scan at:
http://www.ricochetdream.com/france75.jpg
Anyway, I played the LP and the track times and music were different than
the CD. Everything was backwards, reversed and upside-down (so it seemed).
What a strange recording... Can anyone shed some light on this? I didn't do
a thorough analysis if it truly is backwards, but it sure gives that
impression. I even looked at the grooves of other Zeit LPs, and even the
groove patterns are different.
Wade, maybe you should play it on your Internet radio show? I'm sure this
will be a first :-D
Vic
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Zeit (French Emit Mix)
Hi all,
which reminds me that I puchased a 'Optical Race', (tape version), when that
was first released , and that was in 'reverse mode' also....!
Regards
Paul
From:
'Vincent Goudreault'
Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 10:45
pm
Subject: Re: Track titles on TT discs
On the issue of giving names to the Tangerine Tree tracks, if one would
want to keep the 'feeling' of the improvised piece, how about naming
the tracks after the various major streets, avenues or landmarks of the city
where the concert took place? Presumably, street names already make
some reference to local landmarks or luminaries (heroes, artists,
scientists)
so this would establish a link between the improvised renditions and
the venue where it was performed. Of course, the names don't have to be
strict transposition of a street name, but variations thereof, to viz
Walking on Champs Elises
The taxis of Broaway
8 PM according to Big Ben
Mozart slept here
or things like that. I presume that people on this list who live or are
particularly familiar with a city where a concert was held could come
up with good suggestions. With enough suggestions to pick from, those
who are doing the mastering could select a title that seems the most
appropriate for the track they are working on.
C.B.Vincent Goudreault
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 6:51
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Track titles on TT discs
Hi Chris! Hi All!
Chris Owen wrote:
>
> So, pro and cons in my mind. Does anyone else agree/disgree with all
> this...?
When I remaster old shows I use classical-music-inspired pseudonames
enclosed with angle brakets <> to indicate they are not real names. For
example:
Tangerine Tree - Volume 6 - Bilbao 1976
Disc 1
Part One
1 [14:42]
2 [1:57]
3 [1:15]
4 [2:48]
5 [2:29]
6 [2:34]
7 [5:32]
8 [8:15]
9 [4:35]
Disc 2
Part Two
1 [2:29]
2 [10:08]
3 [2:01]
4 [6:32]
5 [9:09]
6 [12:27]
Part Three
7 [16:00]
Part Four
8 [8:45]
The idea is to characterize the music without actually naming it.
My biggest problem with invented names is that in the past, these names
have caused a lot of confusion. If you don't that a particular boot ('Sea
of Dreams' for example) then you don't have a clue what a 'named' segment
refers to ('Thermal Inversion' from 'Sea of Dreams' for example). When
Edgar later names the segment, as was the case for 'Thermal Inversion',
the situation gets worse.
That's my 2 cents, which will be 2 cents too much to some people.
Ciao and Peace -- Mark
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 7:10
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Zeit (French Emit Mix)
Hi Vic!
vic rek wrote:
>
> Even though this may be old news in some hardcore TD circles, I have
> to say that today I discovered the 'backwards' version of Zeit! I call
> it the 'Emit Mix' backward for 'Time' of course.
>
> [...] I played the LP and the track times and music were different
> than the CD. Everything was backwards, reversed and upside-down
> (so it seemed). What a strange recording... Can anyone shed some light
> on this? I didn't do a thorough analysis if it truly is backwards,
> but it sure gives that impression. I even looked at the grooves of
> other Zeit LPs, and even the groove patterns are different.
From what you write I assume that the mastering house threaded the wrong
end of the mix tape so that the discs are entirely backwards, i.e., on
disc 1, a backwards version of 'Nebulous Dawn' comes first followed by a
backwards version of 'Birth of Liquid Plejades', and likewise for disc 2.
Do I have it right?
Also, what are the names of the tracks? Is the track listing on the
artwork also 'backwards'? (I would assume not.)
Thanks for posting this. -- Mark
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 7:36
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Zeit (French Emit Mix)
I asked:
> [...] on disc 1, a backwards version of 'Nebulous Dawn' comes first
> followed by a backwards version of 'Birth of Liquid Plejades' [...]
> Do I have it right?
Never mind. They are LPs, not CDs, so there's one track per side -- duh!
Been a long time since I last played an LP. -- Mark
From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 10:17
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthology
Well after careful study of tracks included on previous TD compilations such
as 'The Best of TD', 'From Dawn 'til Dusk', 'Atmospherics', etc..., it seems
that the following tracks have not appeared on a compilation before:
2. Fly And Collision Of Comas Sola 13:18
3. Cold Smoke 10:48
4. Origin Of Supernatural Probabilities 19:32
11. Dolphin Dance [As part of the track 'Livemiles II: Berlin Concert']
9:20
15. 21st Century Common Man, Part One 4:49
16. Gaudi Park 5:17
21. Alchemy Of The Heart 12:17
I have not taken into account 'Book of Dreams' or 'Dream Roots' because they
are all tangentised versions. It seems that 'Anthology' is all normal album
versions.
Paul
on 27/07/02 21:12, Wade Gordon at mindvoyager1@y... wrote:
> What's the story on this new box set. In other words,
> is it worth the effort to get. Does it have any
> unreleased stuff on it? Is it like Tangents or i-box?
>
> Wade
> --- Chris Owen wrote:
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> As we all know, Dolphin Dance is of course from
>> Underwater Sunlight, but the
>> anthology seems to be referring to the 10 minute or
>> so section towards the
>> end of of LiveMiles Part 2, which kind of loosely
>> 'improvises' around some
>> of the themes of Dolphin Dance.
>>
>> - Chris
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Paul Fellows
>> To:
>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:42 AM
>> Subject: [tadream] Anthology
>>
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Can anyone who has copy of 'Journey Through a
>> Burning Brain' answer a
>>> question about track 11:
>>>
>>> 11. Dolphin Dance [As part of the track
>> 'Livemiles II: Berlin Concert']
>>> 9:20
>>>
>>> This doesn't make sense of course, which album is
>> this track taken from
>>> exactly?
>>>
>>> Paul
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From:
thomas b
Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 3:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: A question about TT 1&2 covers
If you buy a poster of a painting that doesn't have a
name, do you invent a name to go with it?? Only the
creators of the music have a right to name their
tracks, it's as simple as that.
I also think the un-titled music is easier to
identify. How can it get clearer than: London 1975?
There have been many questions in the past regarding
what concert was played on which bootleg. This is a
way of eliminating that problem.
I would like to grab the opportunity and thank the
people that created the Tangerine Trees. Both with
music and covers you have done an outstanding job -
tracks named or not.
Thomas
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Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 3:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Schulze
Perhaps he's going unplugged? Keep your eyes open for
his MTV special!
--- 'Administrator for kay-net.com'
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> Do you think he is going Spartan? I think, at least
> this works out for me,
> one has to have a bit of both in the studio. The
> trend towards virtual is
> great but how about all those other trends in the
> past? Seems a bit of both
> worlds would be the solution. In my experience so
> far with using both, the
> virtual is great but tends to lead me astray. Using
> actual hardware seems to
> ensure the discipline needed to get the job done.
> Mind set I am sure.
>
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 06:23:06 -0000
> > From: 'tangram80'
>
> > Subject: German Auction
> >
> > Hello everyone
> >
> > I just noticed the following auction: isn't it
> awesome?
> >
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=895392159
> >
> > Rgds
> > Jeffrey
> >
> >
> > If you think about it, all he's doing is selling
> the mixing desk/s,
> > which studios regularly do when they want to
> update, plus a couple of
> > older keyboards and samplers, some Quasimidi
> modules of which he has
> > about 17 remaining, and some old PA and processing
> gear.
> >
> > It probably indicates that like a lot of studios
> he's going over to the
> > use of virtual synths on a big computer - a much
> more efficient way to
> > work (not that I've done it myself - still around
> 25 instruments listed
> > on the 'Sequencer Loops' CD).
> >
> > Did a quick visit to Mike Oldfield's studio last
> week. It's now much
> > more sparse than it used to be, as he's going over
> to virtual synths
> > too. Full interview at
> http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/emix.html in the
> > next few days...
> >
> >
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 4:18
pm
Subject: TT Naming
What a controversial topic.
I see a lot of people talking about preserving the integrity of the art and
the artist. Well, it's tough when Edgar does not believe in preserving the
integrity of the art himself.
I don't think giving names to pre-1980 tracks really accomplishes much
because every show was different. Some people are saying it's to help
identify the track, but I think it will make it more confusing. But I am
not going to stop anyone from doing so. Except for the 1977 shows, the
typical show was 2 or 3 sets and some encores. So at worst, you have to
refer to something as, say, 'the third set of Nov 22, 1976 Paris' or 'part
2 of 1976.01.24 Saarbrücken Universität'.
Now, for 1977, there were recognizable themes, Cherokee Lane and Monolight.
Also, there was another 1st set theme which recurred in various forms
through 1977. I simply call this '1977 tour theme'. Most everything else in
77 was improvised from show to show although you could hear bits and pieces
in common.
But from 1980 on, we are stuck with a situation where there are several
unreleased bits of music. Recently, some of these tracks have been named.
Akash Deep, Longing For Cashba, etc. Then there are the nonsensical
renamings of tracks which already had names, Edinburgh Castle (Sobornost),
Cool breeze of Brighton (Vermillion Sands), Flock of Bluebirds (Tatort
OST-Flock), Speed Dragon (Tatort OST-Speed), etc. And finally the bizarre
editing jobs like Calymba Caly, which contains part of 3 distinct tracks.
Then there is an aspect which is not based in logic. I simply love names
like 'Thermal Inversion' and 'Finish Line' because they fit so perfectly to
the music being played.
I don't think it is arrogant for us to create titles as some have said. But
let's look at the reason why. If it's to try to apply our own imagery to
the music, well, I'd rather let the music be a personal thing to me. I'll
draw my own conclusions. If it's for identification's sake, then I can
understand in the case of 1980+ music. That's honestly why I use names like
'Thermal Inversion'. There is no easier way to identify that specific track
among diehard TD collectors than to call it by that name.
-Morgan
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 5:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Zeit (French Emit Mix)
It seems that the track order may be reversed too, that is, track 2 is
played first, then track 1 from the LP. But I can't be sure, since it's
sometimes difficult to match a drone when it's being played forward or
backward. I'm sending out a coy to one of my French experts for analysis
:-)
> > [...] on disc 1, a backwards version of 'Nebulous Dawn' comes first
> > followed by a backwards version of 'Birth of Liquid Plejades' [...]
> > Do I have it right?
>
> Never mind. They are LPs, not CDs, so there's one track per side -- duh!
>
> Been a long time since I last played an LP. -- Mark
>
From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 5:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthology
Yippie!!!!
--- Paul Fellows wrote:
> Well after careful study of tracks included on
> previous TD compilations such
> as 'The Best of TD', 'From Dawn 'til Dusk',
> 'Atmospherics', etc..., it seems
> that the following tracks have not appeared on a
> compilation before:
>
> 2. Fly And Collision Of Comas Sola 13:18
> 3. Cold Smoke 10:48
> 4. Origin Of Supernatural Probabilities 19:32
> 11. Dolphin Dance [As part of the track
> 'Livemiles II: Berlin Concert']
> 9:20
> 15. 21st Century Common Man, Part One 4:49
> 16. Gaudi Park 5:17
> 21. Alchemy Of The Heart 12:17
>
> I have not taken into account 'Book of Dreams' or
> 'Dream Roots' because they
> are all tangentised versions. It seems that
> 'Anthology' is all normal album
> versions.
>
> Paul
>
> on 27/07/02 21:12, Wade Gordon at
> mindvoyager1@y... wrote:
>
> > What's the story on this new box set. In other
> words,
> > is it worth the effort to get. Does it have any
> > unreleased stuff on it? Is it like Tangents or
> i-box?
> >
> > Wade
> > --- Chris Owen
> wrote:
> >> Hi Paul,
> >>
> >> As we all know, Dolphin Dance is of course from
> >> Underwater Sunlight, but the
> >> anthology seems to be referring to the 10 minute
> or
> >> so section towards the
> >> end of of LiveMiles Part 2, which kind of loosely
> >> 'improvises' around some
> >> of the themes of Dolphin Dance.
> >>
> >> - Chris
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Paul Fellows
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:42 AM
> >> Subject: [tadream] Anthology
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi all
> >>>
> >>> Can anyone who has copy of 'Journey Through a
> >> Burning Brain' answer a
> >>> question about track 11:
> >>>
> >>> 11. Dolphin Dance [As part of the track
> >> 'Livemiles II: Berlin Concert']
> >>> 9:20
> >>>
> >>> This doesn't make sense of course, which album
> is
> >> this track taken from
> >>> exactly?
> >>>
> >>> Paul
>
>
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 5:26
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthology
How would you compare it Tangents or i-box? Please
say it is not reworked stuff.
Wade
--- Chris Owen wrote:
> I don't think we'll ever get much unreleased stuff
> from Castle as it costs a
> hell of a lot more to get the rights to
> previously-unreleased music as it
> does to constantly churn out best-of CDs and (now
> they've bought a
> thesaurus) 'anthologies', and I don't think they're
> a big enough outfit to
> out-bid the likes of Virgin. They would appear to
> only have the rights to
> certain LPs. But with all these compilations, maybe
> they're trying to rasie
> enough funds to buy some unreleased stuff from
> Edgar! We live in hope...
>
> - Chris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Vertical
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 12:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthology
>
>
> > > >What's the story on this new box set. In other
> words,
> > > >is it worth the effort to get. Does it have any
> > > >unreleased stuff on it? Is it like Tangents or
> i-box?
> > > >
> > > >Wade
> > >
> > >It is yet another compilation of nothing new,
> while hundreds of concert
> > >tapes languish in the archives.
> > >
> > >At least Tangents, Dream Roots, and I-Box each
> had 40-60 minutes of
> > >unreleased music on them (doctored to hell,
> granted).
> > >
> > >-Morgan
> >
> >
> > I'd be happy to get even released stuff, if they
> were rare.. Doesn't
> Castle
> > have the rights for Ultima Thule Part 2, Dolphin
> Smile and other such
> > tracks?
> >
> > John Vertical
> > np: Vanishing Blue (and I don't think it has been
> 'doctored to hell'. The
> > bonus tracks on Tangents do too sound like they
> had gotten away with
> little,
> > if any, adjustments.)
> >
> >
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 6:24
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] [sonambulistic imagery] 'release date'
From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...]
> 'Sonambulistic Imagery'
> [1993] Blue Moon (TW?) BM-5/BM-6 (boot, KB sound: 9, brittle
highs,
> nice insert booklet)
>Also, during the search for the best available source tapes
>for the T.Tree project, quite a few individual recvordings received
in-depth scrutiny and got re-rated.
>Sonambulistic Imagery stands at an '8' now.
Don't forget the freaking group of people near the microphone who talk
through the entire concert! It's even more stressful to listen with
headphones because THERE'S NO WAY TO SHUT THEM UP! Why did these people
even bother going to the concert if they were going to gab through the
whole thing? Is this a California thing? Does anyone know who recorded
this show? Maybe he/she would know who those people were so someone
could track them down and 'thank' them personally for ruining the whole
experience!
Can you tell I get a little emotional about this one? I almost biffed
someone at the '88 Dallas show who wouldn't stop talking -- they were
lucky my woman was there...
- jim
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 6:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthology
>Well after careful study of tracks included on previous TD compilations
>such
>as 'The Best of TD', 'From Dawn 'til Dusk', 'Atmospherics', etc..., it
>seems
>that the following tracks have not appeared on a compilation before:
Well, even after several tries, _none_ of the several Pink/Blue years
samplers (counting even non-Castle ones) has featured the 2nd movement of
Tangent nor the 3rd one of Barbakane. Pretty well, eh?
It could also be possible to put together a rather big Virgin years sampler
of stuff that hasn't been on any sampler, even excluding soundtrack
material; this includes
-sections of Rubycon Part 2
-Ricochet Part 1
-3am etc.
-the original Invisible Limits piano section
-half of Cherokee Lane and Monolight
-Coldwater Canyon
-most of Desert Dream
-Bent Cold Sidewalk and Rising Runner etc.
-half of Madrigal Meridian
-several parts of Force Majeure
-Thru Metamorphic Rocks
-all of Quichotte except the piano solo
-Network 23 and Remote Viewing
-several parts of Logos
-and finally, most of Sphinx Lightning.
This would probably make a nice sampler... Though I don't mean that it
_should_ be made.
John Vertical
PS: Isn't it stupid that 'Journey through a burning brain' doesn't include
the title track?
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 6:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT Naming
>I don't think giving names to pre-1980 tracks really accomplishes much
>because every show was different. Some people are saying it's to help
>identify the track, but I think it will make it more confusing. But I am
>not going to stop anyone from doing so. Except for the 1977 shows, the
>typical show was 2 or 3 sets and some encores. So at worst, you have to
>refer to something as, say, 'the third set of Nov 22, 1976 Paris' or 'part
>2 of 1976.01.24 Saarbrücken Universität'.
>
>Now, for 1977, there were recognizable themes, Cherokee Lane and Monolight.
>Also, there was another 1st set theme which recurred in various forms
>through 1977. I simply call this '1977 tour theme'. Most everything else in
>77 was improvised from show to show although you could hear bits and pieces
>in common.
>
>But from 1980 on, we are stuck with a situation where there are several
>unreleased bits of music. Recently, some of these tracks have been named.
>Akash Deep, Longing For Cashba, etc. Then there are the nonsensical
>renamings of tracks which already had names, Edinburgh Castle (Sobornost),
>Cool breeze of Brighton (Vermillion Sands), Flock of Bluebirds (Tatort
>OST-Flock), Speed Dragon (Tatort OST-Speed), etc. And finally the bizarre
>editing jobs like Calymba Caly, which contains part of 3 distinct tracks.
>
>Then there is an aspect which is not based in logic. I simply love names
>like 'Thermal Inversion' and 'Finish Line' because they fit so perfectly to
>the music being played.
>
>I don't think it is arrogant for us to create titles as some have said. But
>let's look at the reason why. If it's to try to apply our own imagery to
>the music, well, I'd rather let the music be a personal thing to me. I'll
>draw my own conclusions. If it's for identification's sake, then I can
>understand in the case of 1980+ music. That's honestly why I use names like
>'Thermal Inversion'. There is no easier way to identify that specific track
>among diehard TD collectors than to call it by that name.
>
>-Morgan
Okay, since so many people seem to dislike the idea to name the 70s tracks,
I won't stand against you. Of course, I might still think namer for them on
my own, but I'll stick with the 'Part 1 Croydon 76' methond when discussing.
What I think that should however still get named, are the 80s tracks. (and
perhaps that 77 theme, too? Is it usually a separate track?)
Your examples of Edgar's 'nonsencial' renamings do make sence to me.
Edinburgh Castle sounds like it might refer to the TV program (after all,
there's already 'Moorland'); Vermillion Sands was actually a name of
Franke's solo remix of Cool Breeze of Brighton, (right?) so it could be
simply copyright thingys; and Flock of Bluebirds and Speed Dragon aren't
that much different from the original.
And I don't really think that the Speed sequence clip at the beginning of
Calymba Caly qualifies as a section.
Well, if you need any track names for 80s (or even 90s?) material, you could
contact me if there're no bootlegs or such to suggest anything.
BTW, what bootleg is 'Finish line' from?
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From:
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Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 7:09
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Free sound editor
In a message dated 7/27/02 5:04:56 AM, johnvertical@h... writes:
>Does anyone know any free Mac AIFF music editors? I don't
>really need anything more special than simple cut&paste, fading,
>and perhaps (though not necessarily) pitch/speed adjustment
>features.
Try SoundEffects 0.9.2; it has those features.
http://www.riccisoft.com/soundeffects/
It's not actually free--it's $15 shareware--but you can use it before paying.
--Daniel
NP: Patrick O'Hearn - Between Two Worlds
From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 4:14
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Castle
> I hear everyone say that Virgin has the rights to not only the released
> music, but also every live performance while TD was signed with Virgin.
> Does this same clause apply to Castle or whomever owns the rights to
> 1970-1973 and 1985-1991?
I remember asking Jerome this exact question backstage during the Tournado
tour. He explained that the rights to any live material (previously released
or unreleased) played while under contract belongs to that record company.
So unless TD have bought them back (which I'm presuming they might have done
with Sohoman) Virgin would appear to own the rights to all unreleased live
TD music between 1974 and 1984. By that rationale, maybe Jive Electro (or
their parent company) still hold the 1985-1987 rights (including the UK and
USA tours of 86), Private Music those of the late 80's, etc.
I recall reading a few years ago that TD were trying to regain as many
rights as they could to old live material. Most of the good stuff was
property of Virgin, so maybe Sohoman was the first result of this.
I guess the whole thing is a legal minefield. After all, Tournado and
Valentine Wheels both contain music from all sorts of eras! No wonder TD
need laywers.
- Chris
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 9:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] [sonambulistic imagery] 'release date'
> headphones because THERE'S NO WAY TO SHUT THEM UP! Why did these people
> even bother going to the concert if they were going to gab through the
> whole thing? Is this a California thing? Does anyone know who recorded
> this show? Maybe he/she would know who those people were so someone
> could track them down and 'thank' them personally for ruining the whole
> experience!
Hey Jim, I have to agree about the talking. Unfortunately this is not just
a California thing.
I was at the last Roger Waters concert in Tampa Florida (with a few TD fans
from this list) and two guys behind me would not shut up either. I asked
them twice (politely) to shut up, then I had to use a few four letter words
and they still wouldn't shut up (they said 'Dude, you need to relax'). They
thought it was perfectly fine to talk through the entire 'Pigs on the Wing'
and 'Dogs' tracks (well, the entire concert). Well, that's what happens when
you take too many drugs or are just plain stupid and ignorant.
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Subject: RE: [tadream] [sonambulistic imagery] 'release date'
> I was at the last Roger Waters concert in Tampa Florida (with a few TD
fans from this list) and two guys behind me would not shut up either. I
asked them twice (politely) to shut up, then I had to use a few four
letter words and they still wouldn't shut up (they said 'Dude, you need
to relax'). They thought it was perfectly fine to talk through the
entire 'Pigs on the Wing' and 'Dogs' tracks (well, the entire concert).
Well, Animals is one of my least favorite Pink Floyd albums, so I'd cut
them some slack on those songs. But anyone who yaks during 'One
of These Days' next to me may lose consciousness (extra pain for using
the word 'dude')...
- jim
From:
'Admin'
Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 3:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT Naming
'''''''Well, it's tough when Edgar does not believe in preserving the
integrity of the art himself.'''''''
A art for art itself approach? or Art for the moment?
dale
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 6:11
am
Subject: what's wrong with...track titles
>What's wrong with refering to them as 'Tangerine Tree Vol. xx Track/Part
>xx'?
nothing
but for me, I guess, superficially, that the place and time is more
important. I certainly don't want to memorize the volume number--poland
2001 or warsaw 2001 works well--the month and day may help, too. Not TT2
volume 15 disc 3 of 3 track 4 or is that volume 15+1 (aka 16) since, for
example, warsaw has two volume numbers....
of course, I could just defer to a certain global communication album
(76:14) where the track lengths are the titles.....which is even more
confusing than movement 1, 2, 3, infinity.
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 6:14
am
Subject: Naming
>John Vertical asked:
>
>BTW, what bootleg is 'Finish line' from?
Any 1988 show plus the Werner-Seelenbinder 1990 show.
Track #8806 here:
http://www.zebbyworld.demon.co.uk/Frames/Frameset2.html
From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 9:16
am
Subject: TTree Track names (was Re: A question about TT 1&2 covers)
I agree with Rolf - if TD didn't name the track, I prefer to keep it
unnamed. There's a risk of intrducing (spurious or otherwise) connections
between tracks by giving them names that sound similar, or have obscure
links between them.
I just label them TTree 1:2 (i.e. Tangerine Tree Vol.1 Track 2). That's
enough for any other tree-er to understand what I'm talking about without
having to go into details of venue and date.
Just my 2p worth.
LnH
Marion
From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 9:30
am
Subject: Re: Zeit (French Emit Mix)
Paul <>
Yes, my 'Miracle Mile' (which I think somebody acquired at Ricochet 2001)
was like that too.
LnH
Marion
From:
'colin anderson'
Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 10:53
am
Subject: Re: TT Naming
From: Morgan Feldon
What a controversial topic......
I don't think it is arrogant for us to create titles as some have said. But
let's look at the reason why.
>>>
Well said. It'd be a nice idea, but there are limitations to it:
1. If we'd to try and replicate Edgar's or the band's thought processes behind
naming tracks - e.g 'Drunken Mozart in the Desert' and 'It Would Be Like
Samoa' (I mean - come on - what the.....?) for starters, we'd end-up with even
more conceptual nonsense that means and adds nothing to the music. If we decide
to do it, we need to keep the titles relevant, snappy, memorable and a bit
credible.
2. It'd also be unnecessarily complicating the distribution of the current and
forthcoming T Tree projects. Let's get the fundamentals of these sorted and
settled first and then develop the optional and wish-list stuff.
Of course, if someone would like to enlighten me with the point and relevance
of 'It Would Be Like Samoa', then I'm ready to learn something new today....
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From:
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Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 12:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TT Naming
colin anderson wrote:
> 1. If we'd to try and replicate Edgar's or the band's thought
> processes behind naming tracks - e.g 'Drunken Mozart in the
> Desert'
I read about this title somewhere - maybe it was in the notes
to 'Beyond the Storm' - that Edgar had a walk in the Mojave
Desert listening to Mozart. That created some weird atmosphere
that he had the inspiration to that track and title.
and 'It Would Be Like Samoa'
What is wrong with that title? Maybe it is my bad command of
the english language, but to me it sounds like some longing
for something samoan... Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>(I mean - come on - what
> the.....?) for starters, we'd end-up with even more conceptual
> nonsense that means and adds nothing to the music. If we decide to
> do it, we need to keep the titles relevant, snappy, memorable and a
> bit credible.
>
> 2. It'd also be unnecessarily complicating the distribution of the
> current and forthcoming T Tree projects. Let's get the fundamentals
> of these sorted and settled first and then develop the optional
> and wish-list stuff.
>
> Of course, if someone would like to enlighten me with the point and
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> something new today....
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From:
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Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 1:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TT Naming
I realized there's still one vital comment missing: what does Heiko think
about this? It's his project we're applying or not appying these titles
to... Heiko, you haven't left a 'I'm-on-vacation' post, so could you please
stand up and tell what should be done?
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Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 1:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TT Naming
> I realized there's still one vital comment missing: what does Heiko think
> about this? It's his project we're applying or not appying these titles
> to... Heiko, you haven't left a 'I'm-on-vacation' post, so could you please
> stand up and tell what should be done?
Well what do I think of this... we already had some major (off-list)
controversy about how to make a correct track indexing of some of the TT#2
concerts, and I don't want to go through this again since it was extremly
nerveracking for some of us.
Regarding the naming of certain TT recordings it is not possible for me to come
up with a solution that pleases everybody because there is no such definite
solution. I decided not to use track names for all TD concerts up to 1980 (the
only exception was the Washington 1977 concert since it already had two tracks
which were known before), and to use or/and invent track names for every
concert from 1980 onwards (the European tour which started in November)
I will give a more detailed statement (if necessary) tomorrow because I'll have
to switch off my office PC, otherwise I will miss the train!! :-)
bye
Heiko
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From:
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Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 5:19
pm
Subject: Last Call for TT2 database entries!
OK folks,
I will do the final update of the TT2 database tonight, using the e-mails
I've received from all of you. Here is the current version. I've made it a
pdf document so that everybody can read it, even if you cannot get into
yahoogroups:
http://www.tadream.net/tree/tt2/072902.pdf
If you have any branch/descendant arrangements that we don't know about, you
should tell us NOW by e-mailing tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com with the
pertinent information and we'll make sure it is recorded. If you've added
info to the database at yahoogroups directly, that's fine too.
Thanks!
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 11:14
pm
Subject: Okefenokee 2002 video
Hi folks,
It's with great disappointment that I write this.
I have just purchased some video capture hardware and started to take a
look at the video I shot at Okefenokee.
I was rolling tape on 2 cameras, an older Hi8 camera and a new DV camera.
The lighting conditions (4 bulbs on a ceiling fan) were extremely
challenging to the cameras. I knew going into this that it was a privilege
to videotape the event and that it would be extremely rude for me to ask
for changes in the lighting. I am very happy that I was able to record
something. When I was shooting, I had hoped that the two cameras would do
ok. I am capturing the DV into my computer without losing any quality,
while the Hi8 material is converted from analog to digital with the new
hardware.
While the DV camera's picture is watchable, the footage from the Hi8 has an
incredible amount of noise. This noise does not compress well at all.
Normally, 1500-2000kbps quality can deal with most videos I throw at it.
The DV cam requires 3000kbps to handle the extra noise of the evening
shots. But the Hi8 cam picture is very blurry even at 6000kbps.
The raw DV footage:
http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2002/videoDV.jpg
The raw Hi8 footage:
http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2002/videohi8a.jpg
The compressed Hi8 footage:
http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2002/videohi8b.jpg
I'm sure people would be happy to have any kind of video of the event even
at the quality shown, but I am now tempted to skip the DVD format in lieu
of SVCD or VCD, since the picture quality is so low. DVD mastering will
require me to find someone who has a DVD recorder and prepare all the
materials, menus, etc. for DVD authoring.
If there is still a lot of encouragement for this to appear on DVD, the
compression issues may also limit the amount of footage which can fit on
the disc. I had initially hoped to produce a 90-120 minute movie. I may
have to scale this back to 60-70 minutes on a single DVD.
Opinions?
-Morgan
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From:
'Marcelo Gutierrez'
Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 12:33
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Last Call for TT2 database entries!
Hi Joe:
Is it too late to join the tree? due to a death in the family I have been
away from the list for a short while and I missed signing up for TT2.
If it is still time I can make up to 5 copies if necessary.
Thanks
Marcelo Gutierrez
571 Emerson St.
Uniondale NY 11553
USA
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Shoults
To:
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 1:19 PM
Subject: [tadream] Last Call for TT2 database entries!
> OK folks,
>
> I will do the final update of the TT2 database tonight, using the e-mails
> I've received from all of you. Here is the current version. I've made it
a
> pdf document so that everybody can read it, even if you cannot get into
> yahoogroups:
> http://www.tadream.net/tree/tt2/072902.pdf
>
> If you have any branch/descendant arrangements that we don't know about,
you
> should tell us NOW by e-mailing tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com with the
> pertinent information and we'll make sure it is recorded. If you've added
> info to the database at yahoogroups directly, that's fine too.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe
>
>
>
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From:
'Marcelo Gutierrez'
Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 12:39
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Last Call for TT2 database entries!
Sorry!
That was meant for Joe ..
That dammed reply button strikes again.
Marcelo
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To:
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Last Call for TT2 database entries!
> Hi Joe:
>
> Is it too late to join the tree? due to a death in the family I have been
> away from the list for a short while and I missed signing up for TT2.
> If it is still time I can make up to 5 copies if necessary.
>
> Thanks
>
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 12:44
am
Subject: Tangerine Tree 2
Alright! The wheels are turning on Tangerine Tree 2 distribution.
We have SHNs (packaged/safeguarded CDs [no pops or clicks!]) and redbook
(normal audio CD) originals in the US and Europe ready to duplicate.
This time we're talking 14 discs a set for redbook and 8 discs a set for
SHN. So if you are signing up as a branch for 3 sets of redbook, that means
you've got to burn 42 CDs and get em in the mail in a week or two. 5 sets
is a whopping 70 discs. On a 4x CD burner, that's 20 hours of burning CDs.
Not to mention artwork if you're printing it for your leaves.
I'm not trying to stress anyone out, I just know that a lot of people work
10 hour days plus family, kids, etc. and really want to help out on the
Tree, but get buried in the procedure.
Also, I'm going to set up a website for SHN duplication help (a bit more
concise than Mark's 'concise' 50 page opus on music CD duplication :))
-Morgan
From:
'Admin'
Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 2:32
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2
and so it begins
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 5:44 PM
Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2
> Alright! The wheels are turning on Tangerine Tree 2 distribution.
>
> We have SHNs (packaged/safeguarded CDs [no pops or clicks!]) and redbook
> (normal audio CD) originals in the US and Europe ready to duplicate.
>
> This time we're talking 14 discs a set for redbook and 8 discs a set for
> SHN. So if you are signing up as a branch for 3 sets of redbook, that
means
> you've got to burn 42 CDs and get em in the mail in a week or two. 5 sets
> is a whopping 70 discs. On a 4x CD burner, that's 20 hours of burning CDs.
> Not to mention artwork if you're printing it for your leaves.
>
> I'm not trying to stress anyone out, I just know that a lot of people work
> 10 hour days plus family, kids, etc. and really want to help out on the
> Tree, but get buried in the procedure.
>
> Also, I'm going to set up a website for SHN duplication help (a bit more
> concise than Mark's 'concise' 50 page opus on music CD duplication :))
>
> -Morgan
>
>
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>
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>
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>
From:
Marko Marin
Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 7:55
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Alien Seagull, again
--- John Vertical wrote:
> I think it actually has evolved a bit. The
> appearences in Dominion and
> Yellowstone Park are rather distinctive...
Yeah, in B5:Vol2 it seems more like a sampled, crystal
clear guitar, altough it's still the same sound. And I
still think it sound more like an eagle!
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From:
'richter_arne'
Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 8:44
am
Subject: Re: Okefenokee 2002 video
--- In tadream@y..., Morgan Feldon wrote:
> While the DV camera's picture is watchable, the footage from the
Hi8 has an
> incredible amount of noise.
Yes, that is normal. It is similar to recording an analog audio tape
at low volume - tape hiss increases.
This noise does not compress well at all.
> Normally, 1500-2000kbps quality can deal with most videos I throw
at it.
> The DV cam requires 3000kbps to handle the extra noise of the
evening
> shots. But the Hi8 cam picture is very blurry even at 6000kbps.
I don't know what SW you use, but you can get rid of the noise almost
completely and without affecting the picture quality(!) by using
Virtual Dub (Freeware) and the 'Temporal Cleaner' plugin (Freeware
Filter). This filter will compare the individual images one by one
and even out the differences between them. As noise is random data,
it is very easy to isolate from the 'static' data which is the images
you really want to see and which are more or less identical in each
frame.
The result is much better than any noise reduction you would use on a
still image, where there is no information on what part of the data
is noise and what is image. And you will see that the output will
compress much better than before. You can run this filter both on
your DV and on your Hi-8 material.
> The raw DV footage:
> http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2002/videoDV.jpg
>
> The raw Hi8 footage:
> http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2002/videohi8a.jpg
>
> The compressed Hi8 footage:
> http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2002/videohi8b.jpg
Yes, very typical for low-light filming. And in my experience, you
can dramatically improve the result with the Temporal Cleaner both in
quality and in compressability.
Arne
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 9:05
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2
Geez, are you saying that you just *start* distributing
TDTree II? Lucky those who are branches/leaves under the
one and only Conrad Gibbons from Ireland! I have my TDTree II
CDs since last week!
I love it, in particular Newcastle.
cheers
armin
Morgan Feldon wrote:
> Alright! The wheels are turning on Tangerine Tree 2 distribution.
>
> We have SHNs (packaged/safeguarded CDs [no pops or clicks!]) and redbook
> (normal audio CD) originals in the US and Europe ready to duplicate.
>
> This time we're talking 14 discs a set for redbook and 8 discs a set for
> SHN. So if you are signing up as a branch for 3 sets of redbook, that means
> you've got to burn 42 CDs and get em in the mail in a week or two. 5 sets
> is a whopping 70 discs. On a 4x CD burner, that's 20 hours of burning CDs.
> Not to mention artwork if you're printing it for your leaves.
>
> I'm not trying to stress anyone out, I just know that a lot of people work
> 10 hour days plus family, kids, etc. and really want to help out on the
> Tree, but get buried in the procedure.
>
> Also, I'm going to set up a website for SHN duplication help (a bit more
> concise than Mark's 'concise' 50 page opus on music CD duplication :))
>
> -Morgan
>
>
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 9:41
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2
> Geez, are you saying that you just *start* distributing
> TDTree II? Lucky those who are branches/leaves under the
> one and only Conrad Gibbons from Ireland! I have my TDTree II
> CDs since last week!
Still I think that the distribution will get along much faster than it was/is
for
TT#1. What Morgan referred to was the distribution in the United States, and
since the 'tree' has its roots in Europe it usually takes a bit longer before it
crosses the Atlantic. What may cause some delay is the number of CDRs each
branch
has to copy for his/her descendants (14 'redbook' and 8 'shn' discs), but I hope
this won't be too much trouble.
> I love it, in particular Newcastle.
Yes, Newcastle 81 is great (especially the first disc). It's difficult for me to
come up with any favourites, I love them all :-B
Heiko
From:
'heineu'
Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 9:43
am
Subject: Nideggen
Hello Guys,
Who comes everything to the Tangerine dream Concert at Burg Nideggen?
I have Tickets for boths shows.
see us in Burg Nideggen!!!!
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
http://www.opticaldream.de
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 9:55
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Nideggen
...and visit my near-by home village Hoefen (or at least Monschau).
Also with a nice castle which hosts oper events! Unfortunately
not TD this time.
Would invite you all, but I'll happen to be in Bulgaria that time.
a.
heineu wrote:
> Hello Guys,
>
> Who comes everything to the Tangerine dream Concert at Burg Nideggen?
>
> I have Tickets for boths shows.
> see us in Burg Nideggen!!!!
>
> Regards
> heiko - Mr. Optical
> http://www.opticaldream.de
>
>
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 12:59
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree 2
>Geez, are you saying that you just *start* distributing
>TDTree II? Lucky those who are branches/leaves under the
>one and only Conrad Gibbons from Ireland! I have my TDTree II
>CDs since last week!
It's nice to be on a subtree, isn't it?
I think I was the first leaf to receive the TT1 disks - Timo Astala, trunk
of the Finland sub-tree, works reasonably near me so I simply went to pick
them up. No mailing hassle or delay...
John Vertical
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 1:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Alien Seagull, again
>Yeah, in B5:Vol2 it seems more like a sampled, crystal
>clear guitar, altough it's still the same sound. And I
>still think it sound more like an eagle!
I also lately got my hands on Pop'd Orange Festival, and that one sounds
different as well.
Well, it actually could be an eagle, too, but aren't seagulls a whole lot
more common than eagles? Not many people know what eagles say, but about
everyone within 100 kilometers from a lake or a sea knows what kind of noise
seagulls make.
John Vertical
np: The Cliffs of Sydney (which definetly has seagulls, not eagles ;-)
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 2:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Alien Seagull, again
John,
Did you hear 'Sound Explorer' yet? It is on
www.lougentile.com.
Wade
--- John Vertical wrote:
> >Yeah, in B5:Vol2 it seems more like a sampled,
> crystal
> >clear guitar, altough it's still the same sound.
> And I
> >still think it sound more like an eagle!
>
>
> I also lately got my hands on Pop'd Orange Festival,
> and that one sounds
> different as well.
>
> Well, it actually could be an eagle, too, but aren't
> seagulls a whole lot
> more common than eagles? Not many people know what
> eagles say, but about
> everyone within 100 kilometers from a lake or a sea
> knows what kind of noise
> seagulls make.
>
> John Vertical
>
> np: The Cliffs of Sydney (which definetly has
> seagulls, not eagles ;-)
>
>
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 3:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Alien Seagull, again
>John,
>
>Did you hear 'Sound Explorer' yet? It is on
>www.lougentile.com.
Nope. Our HD crashed a while ago and now reinstalling RealPlayer doesn't
work... I'll tell when I succeed to listen to it.
But anyway, that comment of mine was moreso to make a similar permanent
database as perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/concertdates.html and
www.zebbyworld.demon.co.uk/Frames/Frameset2.html are. A radio program of the
same subject sounds OK, but archiving such database in a simple readable
format sounds easier. This is not a disposable thingy, but something people
would like to refer to, double-check, etc.
John Vertical
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From:
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Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 7:07
pm
Subject: Mike Oldfield coming up
Cross post from EM list... You can scream at me later...
I hope you don't mind me posting this message to you, but I thought
that some of you might like to know that Mike Oldfield will be taking
part in a live webchat tomorrow afternoon (Wednesday 31st July).
Mike is currently scheduled to appear on the Johnny Walker show on
Radio 2 at about 6.15pm, but prior to going on the radio, he will be
chatting with the users of the Johnny Walker Show Chatroom for about
half an hour.
If you'd like join in, then all you need to do is to pop along to
www.bbc.co.uk/communicate and click on the 'Johnny Walker Show' link
in the top right-hand corner of the screen.
Hope you enjoy the chat!
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 8:14
pm
Subject: Off-topic Vip, my brother superman
Hi all
I am searching for a cartoon/animation called 'Vip, my brother superman',
an italien animation, by Bruno Bozzetto. I have not been able to locate it
anywhere. So maybe one of you know this one and hopefully are able to get hold
of it somewhere...............as I am living in Europe, I need this on VHS
(pal), DVD or mpg/avi/divx............
Can anyone help?????????..............(off-list)
Regards
Jan
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 11:05
pm
Subject: Montreal 1977 - which flavour?
So which version of Montreal 77 do you have?
Inquiring minds want to know...
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55
-Morgan
From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Wed Jul 31, 2002 10:23
am
Subject: TD 'superfan' in German Musik Express (July issue)
Hi!
If you live in Europe and you can access to the magazine
'Musik Express' - just pick up the issue July (the one
with the ugly yellow PUNK cover) and open page 14.
More about this interview and the story will come on my homepage
and (if I find the time) translated here.
Bye.
Rainer
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Jul 31, 2002 11:11
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD 'superfan' in German Musik Express (July issue)
>
>
> If you live in Europe and you can access to the magazine
> 'Musik Express' - just pick up the issue July (the one
> with the ugly yellow PUNK cover) and open page 14.
an article about a 'TD superfan' in the most popular German music
magazine...do we have to call you 'Sir Rainer' from now on? ;-)
btw, it's the August issue, not July!
Heiko
n.p.: Captain Beefheart: Safe as milk cd
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From:
Rainer Rutka
Date: Wed Jul 31, 2002 11:41
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD 'superfan' in German Musik Express (July issue)
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Heiko Heerssen wrote:
>> If you live in Europe and you can access to the magazine
>> 'Musik Express' - just pick up the issue July (the one
>> with the ugly yellow PUNK cover) and open page 14.
> an article about a 'TD superfan' in the most popular German music
> magazine...do we have to call you 'Sir Rainer' from now on? ;-)
> btw, it's the August issue, not July!
UPS: my fault. Sorry.
NONO, I am just a normal freak.
BTW: I am not completely satisfied about the contents of this
article. More will come....
> n.p.: Captain Beefheart: Safe as milk cd
Hey! He can`t sing. And his music is hmmmm... strange! Maybe he`s
genious but I prefer Tom Waits. But this is another story.
Rainer
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Date: Wed Jul 31, 2002 1:54
pm
Subject: Tangerine Dream live on 'Sound Explorer.'
Breaking News!
Tangerine Dream Live and in person (on the telephone)
from Germany on 'Sound Explorer.'
See www.lougentile.com for more details.
Wade
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From:
Date: Wed Jul 31, 2002 2:04
pm
Subject: item on auction
Hello Guys,
I have following item on auction (ebay.com):
Tangerine Dream - rare Promo 7' - Radio Hits
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=896612122&rd=1
Regards
Heiko - Mr. Optical
http://www.opticaldream.de
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Wed Jul 31, 2002 4:41
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD 'superfan' in German Musik Express (July issue)
Since you mentioned Captain Beefheart, one of his original guitarist is a
close friend I see several times a month. If you want to get some of the
inside tracks on the band, I can give you his email. He is rather a
interesting fellow. His day job is engineer for TBN on the Mountain top
repeaters. He is going to play with my wife with one of her bands at our
local fair next month.
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----- Original Message -----
From: 'Rainer Rutka'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD 'superfan' in German Musik Express (July issue)
> On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Heiko Heerssen wrote:
>
> >> If you live in Europe and you can access to the magazine
> >> 'Musik Express' - just pick up the issue July (the one
> >> with the ugly yellow PUNK cover) and open page 14.
> > an article about a 'TD superfan' in the most popular German music
> > magazine...do we have to call you 'Sir Rainer' from now on? ;-)
> > btw, it's the August issue, not July!
>
> UPS: my fault. Sorry.
>
> NONO, I am just a normal freak.
>
> BTW: I am not completely satisfied about the contents of this
> article. More will come....
>
> > n.p.: Captain Beefheart: Safe as milk cd
> Hey! He can`t sing. And his music is hmmmm... strange! Maybe he`s
> genious but I prefer Tom Waits. But this is another story.
>
> Rainer
>
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From:
'Administrator for kay-net.com'
Date: Wed Jul 31, 2002 5:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] item on auction
looks interesting
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Subject: [tadream] item on auction
> Hello Guys,
>
> I have following item on auction (ebay.com):
>
> Tangerine Dream - rare Promo 7' - Radio Hits
>
> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=896612122&rd=1
>
> Regards
> Heiko - Mr. Optical
> http://www.opticaldream.de
>
>
>
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From:
'convention24'
Date: Wed Jul 31, 2002 5:29
pm
Subject: Re: TD 'superfan' in German Musik Express (July issue)
--- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> >
> >
> > If you live in Europe and you can access to the magazine
> > 'Musik Express' - just pick up the issue July (the one
> > with the ugly yellow PUNK cover) and open page 14.
>
> an article about a 'TD superfan' in the most popular German music
> magazine...do we have to call you 'Sir Rainer' from now on? ;-)
> btw, it's the August issue, not July!
>
>
> Heiko
> n.p.: Captain Beefheart: Safe as milk cd
Hello Heiko
I bought the Mercurial Captain Beefhearts(safe as milk) re-master
last saturday,the Classic Electricity,and the wonderful Autumns child
and of coarse Zig Zag Wanderer,the great thing about this pressing is
the Seven extra tracks not on the album,do i love this Genius?
Sure n nuff n yes i do.God Bless Don Van Vliet.
NP Big Eyed Beans From Venus.
From:
Marko Marin
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 10:13
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Alien Seagull, again
--- John Vertical wrote:
> Well, it actually could be an eagle, too, but aren't
> seagulls a whole lot
> more common than eagles? Not many people know what
> eagles say, but about
> everyone within 100 kilometers from a lake or a sea
> knows what kind of noise
> seagulls make.
So? Everyone has seen at least one nature show where
they tell us about eagles...
> John Vertical
>
> np: The Cliffs of Sydney (which definetly has
> seagulls, not eagles ;-)
Even if there is a REAL samples of seagulls, it
doesn't mean that 'The Sound' is supposed to be a
seagull. I don't believe it until you can show me an
interview where Chris has said that it's a seagull!
Regards,
Marko Marin
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 10:27
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT Naming
Well I'm against the naming of the tracks. It's
perfect how it is. So... over my dead, beaten,
mutilated, burned, violated, cutted and bloody body.
Hmmm... that isn't so nice image... Well, at least
from my point of view... ;-)
Regards,
Marko Marin
--- Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> > I realized there's still one vital comment
> missing: what does Heiko think
> > about this? It's his project we're applying or not
> appying these titles
> > to... Heiko, you haven't left a 'I'm-on-vacation'
> post, so could you please
> > stand up and tell what should be done?
>
> Well what do I think of this... we already had some
> major (off-list)
> controversy about how to make a correct track
> indexing of some of the TT#2
> concerts, and I don't want to go through this again
> since it was extremly
> nerveracking for some of us.
> Regarding the naming of certain TT recordings it is
> not possible for me to come
> up with a solution that pleases everybody because
> there is no such definite
> solution. I decided not to use track names for all
> TD concerts up to 1980 (the
> only exception was the Washington 1977 concert since
> it already had two tracks
> which were known before), and to use or/and invent
> track names for every
> concert from 1980 onwards (the European tour which
> started in November)
> I will give a more detailed statement (if necessary)
> tomorrow because I'll have
> to switch off my office PC, otherwise I will miss
> the train!! :-)
>
> bye
> Heiko
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From:
'Pete Dandy'
Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 7:34
pm
Subject: Evolution of the Tangs
Hi all
Messages seem to be coming through at last, thought I was doing something
wrong .
I would like peoples opinion on the Tangs evolution over the past 30+ years
.I must admit to enjoying the first two decades more than latter releases .I
think they simply aged better .
The sounds on Melrose and other albums around the Korg keyboard (was it Korg
?yes it was , just checked :))phase seem to sound older and less
sophisticated than the earlier stuff !!???? The sounds from earlier albums
seem timeless to me and I always noticed the lack of anything that would
suggest a *real* instrument (guitars not included)By that I mean a keyboard
sound trying to be an Oboe perhaps ? and that was kinda cool as it rooted TD
firmly in the electronic field . However they seem now to have gone for an
all out 'Orchestral' sound on 'Inferno' and various other tracks in recent
albums (The seven Letters , Ambient Monkeys etc)and this seems kinda cheap
sounding because to me (I`m not really a muso so its only an opinion) the
unique classy sound that TD always had has now merged into a wishy washy
'this could be anybody' kind of sound ,it doesn't`t stand on a pedestal
anymore .
Now of course not all of the later releases are like this .I just do not
like this almost classical direction TD are heading in, because I don't
think they do it very well, which is surprising to me ?
Pete
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From:
'bigstupidgeek'
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 4:00
pm
Subject: list maintenance
sorry I 've been absent lately. I just upgraded a bunch of people to
normal status, and you will see some pending messages come through
that may appear to be old. they are. sorry.
Joe
np: 02-09-76 Brussels Jansen Univ (is that Sept 2 or Feb 9?)
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From:
'paulus_d2002'
Date: Sat Jul 13, 2002 7:47
pm
Subject: Hiya Guys &gals!!!
been a fan of TD since White Eagle '82.
Saw them at the Shepherds Bush Empire 1997!! a good time was had by
all there!!
Owner of 20-30 TD albums!
Paulus.d_uk
Ps does anyone know what the Vocoded voice lyrics at the begining of
Cyclone is saying?
From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 8:44
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD while pregnant
'Mysterious semblelence in the strand of nightmares' from Phaedra- 1973
Virgin.
Very soothing music, thick with mellotron strings and white noise whooshes,
fantastic!!!!!
Paulus.d_uk
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Marko Marin'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD while pregnant
>
> --- omegatransfinito wrote:
> > > > What I wanted to throw into the round: What TD
> > music would
> > you
> > > > play for an unborn child????
> > > >
> >
> > A tough question, I don't remember anymore what my
> > musical
> > tastes were at that time :-P
>
> I could remember what my musical taste was at that
> point but the birth was so traumatic that everything
> before The Outer World has been wiped out from my
> mind.
> From TD... Rubycon of course. (Come on! What did you
> expect from me! ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Marko Marin
>
> =====
>
>
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From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 8:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Something other than TD? :)
Red Shift perhaps!!!!
Paulus.d_uk
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Marko Marin'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Something other than TD? :)
>
> --- Morgan Feldon wrote:
> >
> > >Marko said:
> > >
> > >You don't listen anything else but TD, right?
> > Perhaps
> > >in time you will be cured from that sickness... ;-)
> > >No, really! Try something different sometimes!
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >Marko Marin
> >
> > For the longest time, I listened to samples of other
> > people's music but
> > really only found Tangerine Dream compelling. In
> > fact, I'd given up on the
> > idea that there was other music I'd really get
> > attached to.
> >
> > Then I heard the Okefenokee 2000 CD.
> >
> > Now, these artists get heavy play around here:
> >
> > Free System Project
> > AirSculpture
> > Kubusschnitt
> > Lakveet - Scab
> > Star Sounds Orchestra
> > Wavestar
> > Mark Shreeve
> > Arcane
> >
> > I hope Airwave puts out a CD soon. :)
> >
> > -Morgan
>
> Hmmm... I know AirSculpure for sure... Altough I
> haven't found any of their cd's in the stores here in
> Finland. I only have couple of Mp3-files.
>
> Regards,
> Marko Marin
>
> =====
>
>
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From:
'bjoernsip'
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 7:05
pm
Subject: TT2 arrived today!
I´VE GOT IT!!!
Thanx to Heiko!
It will be a threesome weekend. Just me, one or the other glas of
The Balvenie Portwood or Laphroaig Cask Strenght and the TT2.
I´ve edited the database. Maybe this would help Joe to administrate
the tree. And I will start do copy my 3 sets by now. It´s up to Joe
to name the leaves ('this should be no way of pressure, Joe :O)).
Dream on!
Björn
From:
'Strimples'
Date: Sun Jul 21, 2002 4:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] SBMs x old Virgins
Hey, Where can I get an 'old Virgin'? .....Oh sorry wrong list...
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: thomas b
To:
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] SBMs x old Virgins
> Hi Gustavo and everyone else,
>
> I generally like the Super Bit Mapping releases from
> Virgin. There is one BIG exception though, and that is
> Encore. On all the other CDs they remastered they have
> done a well balanced job, but listen to the piano
> intro of 'Monolight' and you realize someone screwed
> up bigtime. On the original CD release, and even more
> so on the vinyl, it sounds reasonably like a piano,
> which I think was the intent. But on the SBM remaster,
> it sounds like they put the microphone inside a pillow
> (although there probably wasn't a microphone at all,
> that's still what it sounds like). I think they
> focused so much on taking the noise out that they
> forgot about the actual music! Listen and compare, it
> is SO obvious!
> They didn't do the same mistake on the other CDs, and
> they sound just fine. I personally prefer the old CDs,
> as I think they sound more 'organic' and have more
> grunt than the new ones, more musical. But if you like
> clean and bright recordings, than the SBM remasters
> are for you.
> The best CD of 'Rubycon' out there is the Super Audio
> CD though, but that's another chapter.
>
> Thomas Bertilsson
> St.Paul / MN
>
>
> --- Gustavo Jobim wrote:
> > Hi folks, I'm sure this question must've been asked
> > before, but please help me. Are the Virgin SBMs
> > really worth to get? I mean, is there a big sound
> > improvement over ALL old CDs, only a little, or does
> > it vary? Because I've noticed that while trying to
> > get the CDs, I ended up getting quite a number of
> > old Virgins: I have Phaedra, Rubycon, Tangram, White
> > Eagle and Hyperborea. They were usually for a quite
> > nice price, and the SBMs are usually for a
> > considerably higher price. So should I try to
> > substitute them? What about the others? Should I
> > absolutely try to get the SBMs or there's not a big
> > difference - and now I'm beginning to walk in
> > circles?
> >
> > anyway, thanks!
> > GJ np: Mysterious Semblance from an old Phaedra I
> > just got (well, better than my old CDR! and the
> > price was very nice!)
> >
> > Gustavo Jobim
> > gustavojobim@n...
>
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From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Sun Jul 21, 2002 9:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re A bit Off Topic, Sorry, Kitaro
Idont have a problem with Kitaro, his 'Silk Road' soundtrack is superb!
I do however need updating.....
Iam currently listening to 'Sohoman' as I type this, this was my last CD I
brought!!! shock horror....
What is Tangerine Tree, besides the beatles 'lucy in the sky with diamonds?
and SMB's? Please someone show me the way to the 2000's! Iam completely
lost!!!!
Paulus.d_uk
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Frank Arellano'
To: ;
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 12:55 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re A bit Off Topic, Sorry, Kitaro
> Well people, the last few days I've been on a Kitaro trip. Today I've
> been mostly listening and watching his 'Live In America' VHS on repeat,
> definitely recommended, BTW.
> Anyways, I just thought I'd pass on a little info that I thought was a
> little interesting that I came across.
>
> Kitaro's real name is Masanori Takahashi and he was born in 1953, [So
he's
> only seven years older than me! 8-\ 8-) I must be getting old! But I
> still can do _it_ with the _best_ of them 8-)] and his stage name
means
> 'man of joy and love'. The other day I had said that I had thought he was
> 'blessed with natural talent'. Well, this is what he has to said, that he
> gives credit for his creations to a power beyond himself. 'This music is
not
> from my mind. It is from heaven, going through my body and out my fingers.
> Sometimes I wonder, I never practice, I don't read or write music, but my
> fingers move. I wonder, 'Whose song is this?' I write my songs, but they
> are not my songs.' Interesting I thought ..... I guess Yanni isn't alone
in
> not being able to read or write music. 8-\ 8-)
>
>
> Also people, some of you may want to note that I'm in the middle of
changing
> ISP's, so my email address will be changing to farellano@c... . At
> the moment I have two for two different computers, but on my new email
> address I still need to change the configurations so that it'll let me
send
> out my email. 8-\ I should have switched to high speed cable a _long_
> time ago !! 8-\
>
> Have a good one from 'Idahammer', i..t's alll goood 8-)
>
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From:
René Brenner
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 4:12
pm
Subject: TDI Releases # 23,24,25
Today I went through my TDI releases and I found a gap between issue 22 and
26. Is there any information available regarding release 23, 24 and 25?
Thank you
René Brenner
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From:
'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR'
Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 8:17
am
Subject: RE: TT2 and downloading
Hi,
Someone brought this up before: each time I connect to the net I get a
different IP address. How is this going to work with needing to supply you
with the IP address before I can be let into your server?
Daniel
[moderator's note: good question, Daniel. The answer is that we will find a
SHN download host for you that won't require your IP address. I am hosting
SHNs for download, and I won't require your IP address; instead, I'll assign
you a login and password that is unique to YOU only and you can log into my FTP
server.
The only problem for me hosting SHN downloads is that my upload (to you) speed
ain't that swift; I'll probably only be able to have a couple people on at a
time, and those must initially be high-speed access people, so the copies get
out quickly.
We're finalizing the tree structure now and will have more details within the
next couple days. -Joe]
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From:
'plastics67'
Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 10:31
am
Subject: Tangerine Dream Parallel Dreams Box Set (18 Disk)
I have recently downloaded a 18 disk set called Parallel Dreams Box
Set. I have tried to find information on this and have not been
able to. Has anybody seen any info on it and can point me to the
location? Many Thanks....
Plastic
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From:
Ivan Yerkedoff
Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 10:01
pm
Subject: TT 1 + Beatles?
Hi to all. A big thank you to Robert Grabowsky ( my
branch) for all the extra effort, Joe Shoults and Matt
Sawyer for their help and advice, and to Heiko for
starting all this. These are the first 'boots' I have
ever got and WOW. Can hardly wait for TT2
P.S. Is it me or is there a quote from the Beatles
Hard Day's Night on Nottingham, track 3 starting 11:24
and then 11: 48?
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From:
'alistairhull'
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 1:14
am
Subject: What did he say?
We all have to lament the passing of vinyl, and the great fortune for
the record companies which means have to go and buy all the bloody
stuff on CD. Again.
But having just resurrected my memories of Newcastle City Hall -
Cyclone Tour. I have to ask
What the Hell is said in the vocoder part in the opening
It sounds like
'When I talk to the trees all the ... ... ... ... oil vapour till
there is no answer'
'when I talk to the snick snick.......'
' there are lost and lots of people around the trees who
grow ... ... ...'
'... ... ... ... or if there is I just don't understand, understand
understand'
Bemused, and remebering I never knew what the Hell Steve Joliffe was
saying back then EITHER.
Any Ideas.
Edgar?
Thanks - I know THIS group can pull an answer to something like that
out of the hat without even trying.
Enjoy Nideggen those of you who are lucky enough to be going Hope you
get backstage.
From:
'Richard Stockwell'
Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:44
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] [Mantovani] Discussion schedule
> Next week is D:'The Song from Moulin Rouge'
> The week of Aug 5 is D:'Swedish Rhapsody'
> The week of Aug 12 is D:'Exodus'
E by gum your a D astardly D ude
Regards
Richard
Cranium Music
http://www.cranium.co.nz
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 4:26
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Parallel Dreams Box Set (18 Disk)
> I have recently downloaded a 18 disk set called Parallel Dreams Box
> Set. I have tried to find information on this and have not been
> able to. Has anybody seen any info on it and can point me to the
> location? Many Thanks....
This is my compilation, details are at 'http://www.tangerinedreamer.de'
heiko
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 11:17
pm
Subject: Re: list maintenance
It's because of this (very annoying) confusion with date formats we put the
dates in the T.Tree as, for example, August 1st...
> sorry I 've been absent lately. I just upgraded a bunch of people to
> normal status, and you will see some pending messages come through
> that may appear to be old. they are. sorry.
>
> Joe
> np: 02-09-76 Brussels Jansen Univ (is that Sept 2 or Feb 9?)
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 4:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] list maintenance
bigstupidgeek wrote:
>
> np: 02-09-76 Brussels Jansen Univ (is that Sept 2 or Feb 9?)
It's Feb 9.
Antonio
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 4:30
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: list maintenance
> > np: 02-09-76 Brussels Jansen Univ (is that Sept 2 or Feb 9?)
>
it's February 9th..
From:
'dat_dream'
Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 3:04
pm
Subject: Re: Free sound editor
--- In tadream@y..., 'omegatransfinito' wrote:
> Does anyone know any free Mac AIFF music editors? I don't
> really need anything more special than simple cut&paste,
fading,
> and perhaps (though not necessarily) pitch/speed adjustment
> features.
>
> John Vertical
Check for Pro Tools Free. As the name
suggests it's actually pro tools from Digidesign and as such
probably is a bit daunting for your needs. But it is free. Does not
run on X (which is probably why they're giving it away). Supports
24 bit btw.
If you're running X, you can't beat Sound Studio 2.0--easy to
learn, stable, and probably all you need. They have a generous
trial period (15 days of use, not 15 from when you first launch it)
w/ no crippled functions during the trial.
I'm not running X and prefer Sound Studio Classic. You lose a
few goodies (flanger, graphic equilizer, reverb) but seems faster
on my slightly older system. Plus a little cheaper, I believe.
From:
Ivan Yerkedoff
Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 10:46
pm
Subject: Beatle's Quote?
Hi all. Is it me or is there a quote from the Beatle's
Hard Day's Night on TT1 Nottingham Track 3 starting at
11:24 min's into it and again at 11:48?
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From:
'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR'
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 11:08
am
Subject: RE: Shivers
HI,
Short list of what does it for me everytime:
TD Coldwater Canyon
TD Cloudburst Flight
Redshift Ether
Pink Floyd Comfortably Numb - gawd, I'm going tingly just thinking about it!
Dan
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From:
'bjoernsip'
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 1:19
pm
Subject: Re: Shivers
Great lists, big music!
I would like to add a few of my very personal shiver songs:
ELOY - Atlantis (from Ocean)
CHRIS EVANS/DAVID HANSELMANN - Stonehenge & Symbols (full albums)
GALAHAD - Bugeye (from Following Ghosts)
TANGERINE DREAM - Pick up at High Noon (from Near Dark)
JOHN DYSON - I.F.O. (from Evolution)
QUEENSRYCHE - Operation Mindcrime (album)
DREAM THEATER - Space Dye Vest (from Awake)
PETER SEILER - Grönland (from Flying Frames)
VANGELIS - 12 o´clock (from Heaven and Hell)
Enjoy it!
Björn
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 4:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT 1 + Beatles?
Ivan Yerkedoff wrote:
>
> P.S. Is it me or is there a quote from the Beatles
> Hard Day's Night on Nottingham, track 3 starting 11:24
> and then 11: 48?
Finally someone else notices that! I had mentioned it a few months ago
when I received my copy of TT1. See message
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/message/32713
Antonio
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 5:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT Naming
Marko has drawn the line.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Marko Marin'
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT Naming
> Well I'm against the naming of the tracks. It's
> perfect how it is. So... over my dead, beaten,
> mutilated, burned, violated, cutted and bloody body.
> Hmmm... that isn't so nice image... Well, at least
> from my point of view... ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Marko Marin
>
> --- Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> > > I realized there's still one vital comment
> > missing: what does Heiko think
> > > about this? It's his project we're applying or not
> > appying these titles
> > > to... Heiko, you haven't left a 'I'm-on-vacation'
> > post, so could you please
> > > stand up and tell what should be done?
> >
> > Well what do I think of this... we already had some
> > major (off-list)
> > controversy about how to make a correct track
> > indexing of some of the TT#2
> > concerts, and I don't want to go through this again
> > since it was extremly
> > nerveracking for some of us.
> > Regarding the naming of certain TT recordings it is
> > not possible for me to come
> > up with a solution that pleases everybody because
> > there is no such definite
> > solution. I decided not to use track names for all
> > TD concerts up to 1980 (the
> > only exception was the Washington 1977 concert since
> > it already had two tracks
> > which were known before), and to use or/and invent
> > track names for every
> > concert from 1980 onwards (the European tour which
> > started in November)
> > I will give a more detailed statement (if necessary)
> > tomorrow because I'll have
> > to switch off my office PC, otherwise I will miss
> > the train!! :-)
> >
> > bye
> > Heiko
>
>
> =====
>
>
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From:
'Dr_Chandrasegarampillai'
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 9:44
pm
Subject: At Darwin's Motel lyrics mystery revealed
Hello all,
Sorry if this is already discussed, (I'm new to this group) but I've
seen people were asking about the meaning of lyrics from 'At Darwin's
motel'.
The truth is, the sample is in Sanskrit, it is a Dhyaana Shloka,
invocation song of Hindu goddess Lakshmi, goddesss of wealth and
prosperity. You can find the whole thing at
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/2627/tstotmal.html
the lines you are interested in are:
vande padmakaraaM prasannavadanaaM saubhaagyadaaM bhaagyadaaM.
hastaabhyaamabhayapradaaM maNigaNairnaanaa vidhairbhuushhitaam.
The translation would be:
'I salute the Goddess, who bears lotus flowers in hands, who is of
smiling face, bestower of all fortunes, whose hands are ready to
rescue anyone from fear, who is adorned by various ornaments with
precious stones.'
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 5:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: TT2 and downloading
Watch your IP when you connect. You will see a pattern. Normally the last
two sets of numbers change. For me this is easy to set. Say your address is
123.456.78.111 on time, 123.456.78.22 the next. I set my mask for
123.456.78.xxx you get in. Same if I have to mask the last two sets too
(123.456.xxx.xxx). For those who get a few different sets, that isn't that
hard either, just tell me what the sets are. These come in pairs sometimes.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR'
To:
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 1:17 AM
Subject: [tadream] RE: TT2 and downloading
> Hi,
>
> Someone brought this up before: each time I connect to the net I get a
> different IP address. How is this going to work with needing to supply you
> with the IP address before I can be let into your server?
>
> Daniel
>
>
> [moderator's note: good question, Daniel. The answer is that we will find
a SHN download host for you that won't require your IP address. I am
hosting SHNs for download, and I won't require your IP address; instead,
I'll assign you a login and password that is unique to YOU only and you can
log into my FTP server.
>
> The only problem for me hosting SHN downloads is that my upload (to you)
speed ain't that swift; I'll probably only be able to have a couple people
on at a time, and those must initially be high-speed access people, so the
copies get out quickly.
>
> We're finalizing the tree structure now and will have more details within
the next couple days. -Joe]
>
>
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From:
'edmorrisuk'
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 9:32
pm
Subject: Re:Shivers
A difficult one this but interesting to knock up a list. Some tracks
are best left as part of the album as the whole is often better than
the sum of the parts. So here are a few of mine, covering the 70's
through until the present and several music types. Here goes.
TD - 'Rubycon' + many more - too difficult to choose.
Yes - 'Close to the Edge', 'Relayer' and 'Turn of the Century' from
'Going for the One' -- have to agree with my fellow Welshman Colin J
here - Moraz was brilliant on Gates.
Chris Squire - 'Fish out of Water'.
Steve Howe - 'Lost Symphony' from 'Beginings'.
Rick Wakeman - 'Journey to the Centre of the Earth'.
ELP - 'Karn Evil 9' from 'Brain Salad Surgery'.
Camel - 'Moonmadness'. Sad loss of Pete Bardens earlier this year.
Pink Floyd - 'Wish you were Here' and 'Sorrow' from 'Pulse'.
The Orb - 'OOBE' from 'UF Orb', 'Valley/Plateau/Oxbow Lakes' from
'Orbus Terrarum'and 'Star 6 + 7,8,9' from 'Adventures Beyond the
Ultraworld'. The stars of ambient house.
Orbital - 'Satan/LC1/Belfast' from the Orbital 3 single, and 'The
Girl with the Sun in her Head' from 'Insides'. The stars of electro
dance.
Brian Eno - 'Before and After Science'.
KLF - 'Last Train to Trancentral' from 'The White Room'.
Prodigy - 'Mindfields' from 'Fat of the Land'.
Santana - 'Black Magic Woman/Gypsy Queen' from 'Moonflower'.
Genesis - 'Supper's Ready' from 'Foxtrot'.
Stranglers - 'Rattus Norvegicus'.
David Sylvian - 'Nostalgia' from 'Brilliant Trees'.
Steely Dan - 'Home at Last' from 'Aja'.
Donald Fagan - 'Snowbound' from 'Kamakiriad'.
Bjork - 'Play Dead' from 'Debut'.
Status Quo - 'Forty Five Hundred Times' from 'Hello'.
Caravan - 'Nine Feet Underground' from 'In the Land of Grey and Pink'.
Television - 'Marquee Moon'.
PFM - 'The World Became the World'. Worth hearing if you can get a
copy.
George Thorogood And the Destroyers - album (1st) of the same name.
Be Bop Deluxe - 'Heavenly Homes/Ships in the Night/Crying to the Sky'
from 'Sunburst Finish'.
Al Stewart - 'Year of the Cat'.
Vangelis - 'Heaven and Hell'.
Ed
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 5:11
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: list maintenance
I prefer day month year.
DDMMYY is cool, DDMMYYYY is better.
Dale
Sorry I was tainted while living in Europe. It just makes more sense to
follow a logical order. (not to mention the military uses this format)
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Gustavo Jobim'
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:17 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: list maintenance
> It's because of this (very annoying) confusion with date formats we put
the
> dates in the T.Tree as, for example, August 1st...
>
> > sorry I 've been absent lately. I just upgraded a bunch of people to
> > normal status, and you will see some pending messages come through
> > that may appear to be old. they are. sorry.
> >
> > Joe
> > np: 02-09-76 Brussels Jansen Univ (is that Sept 2 or Feb 9?)
>
> Gustavo Jobim
> gustavojobim@n...
>
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From:
'strimples'
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 5:13
pm
Subject: TT2 Tree Structure?
Hello, I signed up for TT2 but cannot find myself on the color coded
database. Is it still being edited or did I fall through the cracks?
Steve
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 5:14
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT2 Tree Structure?
Only Joe knows for sure???
Joe where are you????
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'strimples'
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:13 AM
Subject: [tadream] TT2 Tree Structure?
> Hello, I signed up for TT2 but cannot find myself on the color coded
> database. Is it still being edited or did I fall through the cracks?
>
> Steve
>
>
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>
>
From:
'Herbert'
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 5:20
pm
Subject: AW: [tadream] Re: list maintenance
YYYYMMDD eases the sorting. That's why I do prefer it on filenames.
Only my 2 cents :)))
Herbert
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Administrator [mailto:admin@k...]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. August 2002 19:11
> An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [tadream] Re: list maintenance
>
>
> I prefer day month year.
>
> DDMMYY is cool, DDMMYYYY is better.
>
> Dale
>
> Sorry I was tainted while living in Europe. It just makes
> more sense to
> follow a logical order. (not to mention the military uses this format)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Gustavo Jobim'
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:17 AM
> Subject: [tadream] Re: list maintenance
>
>
> > It's because of this (very annoying) confusion with date
> formats we put
> the
> > dates in the T.Tree as, for example, August 1st...
> >
> > > sorry I 've been absent lately. I just upgraded a bunch
> of people to
> > > normal status, and you will see some pending messages come through
> > > that may appear to be old. they are. sorry.
> > >
> > > Joe
> > > np: 02-09-76 Brussels Jansen Univ (is that Sept 2 or Feb 9?)
> >
> > Gustavo Jobim
> > gustavojobim@n...
> >
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> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 12:20
am
Subject: Cyclone lyrics, story
Hi folks,
at this page - http://www.hmnetwork.com/cyclone.html - you can find the
lyrics for the Cyclone album, and also, and I don't know if others have seen
this, a kind of interview with Steve Jolliffe about the making of the album,
explanations about the lyrics, it was really very interesting to read. By
the way Cyc is an album I really like!
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
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From:
ampmusic
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 5:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1435
> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:14:21 -0000
> From: 'alistairhull'
> Subject: What did he say?
>
>
> But having just resurrected my memories of Newcastle City Hall -
> Cyclone Tour. I have to ask
>
> What the Hell is said in the vocoder part in the opening
>
> It sounds like
>
> 'When I talk to the trees all the ... ... ... ... oil vapour till
> there is no answer'
>
> 'when I talk to the snick snick.......'
>
> ' there are lost and lots of people around the trees who
> grow ... ... ...'
>
> '... ... ... ... or if there is I just don't understand, understand
> understand'
>
> Bemused, and remebering I never knew what the Hell Steve Joliffe was
> saying back then EITHER.
>
> Any Ideas.
I'm sure someone will post an answer to this, as it has been printed in a
couple of places before.
But I'd be interested to hear whether anyone can work out what THIS vocoded
introduction is saying...or find the original text...
http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/The Stone.mp3
(30s low res MP3 file)
Best effort wins......errrrr.......something nice :-)
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 5:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: list maintenance
yea, I see your point
using the folders to sort with... I am just use to doing this in a
database....
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Herbert'
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:20 AM
Subject: AW: [tadream] Re: list maintenance
> YYYYMMDD eases the sorting. That's why I do prefer it on filenames.
>
> Only my 2 cents :)))
> Herbert
>
> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Administrator [mailto:admin@k...]
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. August 2002 19:11
> > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: Re: [tadream] Re: list maintenance
> >
> >
> > I prefer day month year.
> >
> > DDMMYY is cool, DDMMYYYY is better.
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > Sorry I was tainted while living in Europe. It just makes
> > more sense to
> > follow a logical order. (not to mention the military uses this format)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'Gustavo Jobim'
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:17 AM
> > Subject: [tadream] Re: list maintenance
> >
> >
> > > It's because of this (very annoying) confusion with date
> > formats we put
> > the
> > > dates in the T.Tree as, for example, August 1st...
> > >
> > > > sorry I 've been absent lately. I just upgraded a bunch
> > of people to
> > > > normal status, and you will see some pending messages come through
> > > > that may appear to be old. they are. sorry.
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > > np: 02-09-76 Brussels Jansen Univ (is that Sept 2 or Feb 9?)
> > >
> > > Gustavo Jobim
> > > gustavojobim@n...
> > >
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> > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> > >
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> >
> >
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 12:42
am
Subject: Re: list maintenance
Yeah, in Brazil day month year is also used, but still it would make dates
like 2/9/1976 ambiguous; that was my point, we wrote the month's name
instead of its number.
Dale said:
> I prefer day month year.
>
> DDMMYY is cool, DDMMYYYY is better.
>
> Dale
>
> Sorry I was tainted while living in Europe. It just makes more sense to
> follow a logical order. (not to mention the military uses this format)
>
>> It's because of this (very annoying) confusion with date formats we put
> the
>> dates in the T.Tree as, for example, August 1st...
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 5:45
pm
Subject: Sohoman
>I do however need updating.....
>Iam currently listening to 'Sohoman' as I type this, this was my last CD I
>brought!!! shock horror....
First, you must have a Sohoman bonfire and dance around it.
Then pick up the two fan tapes 'The Real Sohoman' and 'Strange Attractions'.
The Real Sohoman is the complete Feb 22, 1982 concert which Sohoman is a
horrid version of (well, at least the first set).
Then Strange Attractions is the second set of the March 1, 1982 concert.
Both of these are from FM radio. Why both? I find that I play 'The Real
Sohoman' disc 1 and then 'Strange Attractions' back to back as a complete
recording of the 4 Australia 82 shows. 'Strange Attractions' sound quality
is 10 times better than The Real Sohoman.
For anyone with the old bootlegs 'Ratikon' and 'Outback Voices', you really
must hear these new ones.
>What is Tangerine Tree, besides the beatles 'lucy in the sky with diamonds?
>and SMB's? Please someone show me the way to the 2000's! Iam completely
>lost!!!!
>Paulus.d_uk
Since Edgar won't open the vaults, and when he does pull out a concert
tape, he plays nice and loud on top with his Korgs and other keyboards, we
have to find an alternate solution to listen to the hundred+ hours of
unique concerts. Did you know each 1974-1977 show had at least an hour of
entirely improvised music which not repeated from one show to the next?
So the Tangerine Tree is an attempt to wash away the crummy sounding TD
bootlegs out there and go back to original master tapes recorded in the
audience or (when we're lucky) from FM stereo. Many of these tapes are
incredible quality and with some work in the studio by some talented
remastering 'galley slaves' we are getting concerts which are a joy to
listen to.
Tangerine Tree 2 is just now rolling out. Once again, just like the first
Tree, 8 concerts are being showcased with professional-looking artwork and
very good sound quality.
If you want to get a taste of the Tangerine Tree, check out the artwork here:
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/
It also has the dates of the shows on it.
To get signed up for the tree, send an e-mail to joes@f...
-Morgan
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 5:53
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Sohoman
time for a change
Mark no longer Evil and he has manage to get his LFO off Ramp
Morgan is evil and his LFO doesn't have ramp!
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:45 AM
Subject: [tadream] Sohoman
>
> >I do however need updating.....
> >Iam currently listening to 'Sohoman' as I type this, this was my last CD
I
> >brought!!! shock horror....
>
> First, you must have a Sohoman bonfire and dance around it.
>
> Then pick up the two fan tapes 'The Real Sohoman' and 'Strange
Attractions'.
>
> The Real Sohoman is the complete Feb 22, 1982 concert which Sohoman is a
> horrid version of (well, at least the first set).
>
> Then Strange Attractions is the second set of the March 1, 1982 concert.
>
> Both of these are from FM radio. Why both? I find that I play 'The Real
> Sohoman' disc 1 and then 'Strange Attractions' back to back as a complete
> recording of the 4 Australia 82 shows. 'Strange Attractions' sound quality
> is 10 times better than The Real Sohoman.
>
>
> For anyone with the old bootlegs 'Ratikon' and 'Outback Voices', you
really
> must hear these new ones.
>
>
>
> >What is Tangerine Tree, besides the beatles 'lucy in the sky with
diamonds?
> >and SMB's? Please someone show me the way to the 2000's! Iam completely
> >lost!!!!
> >Paulus.d_uk
>
> Since Edgar won't open the vaults, and when he does pull out a concert
> tape, he plays nice and loud on top with his Korgs and other keyboards, we
> have to find an alternate solution to listen to the hundred+ hours of
> unique concerts. Did you know each 1974-1977 show had at least an hour of
> entirely improvised music which not repeated from one show to the next?
>
> So the Tangerine Tree is an attempt to wash away the crummy sounding TD
> bootlegs out there and go back to original master tapes recorded in the
> audience or (when we're lucky) from FM stereo. Many of these tapes are
> incredible quality and with some work in the studio by some talented
> remastering 'galley slaves' we are getting concerts which are a joy to
> listen to.
>
> Tangerine Tree 2 is just now rolling out. Once again, just like the first
> Tree, 8 concerts are being showcased with professional-looking artwork and
> very good sound quality.
>
> If you want to get a taste of the Tangerine Tree, check out the artwork
here:
> http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/
>
> It also has the dates of the shows on it.
>
> To get signed up for the tree, send an e-mail to
joes@f...
>
> -Morgan
>
>
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 5:53
pm
Subject: Date Conventions
>I prefer day month year.
>
>DDMMYY is cool, DDMMYYYY is better.
>
>Dale
>
>Sorry I was tainted while living in Europe. It just makes more sense to
>follow a logical order. (not to mention the military uses this format)
When you look at a clock, the time is in Hours, Minutes, Seconds.
Seconds is the most significant digit, then the minutes, then hours. The
seconds changes most often, the hours the least often.
Why in the world are dates not done this way?
I think 02/09/1976 (American format) and 09/02/1976 (European format) are
both completely nonsensical and confusing (because the other format
exists). Also, neither of these date formats mean anything to a computer
when trying to sort things.
I have completely standardized on my concert list and my online music
collection on the only date format that makes sense to me.
YYYY.MM.DD
1976.02.09.
It leaves no room for confusion and it sorts perfectly.
-Morgan
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From:
DAVKAUFMAN@a...
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 6:07
pm
Subject: The beginning of Bent Cold Sidewalk
The lyrics to the beginning of Bent Cold Sidewalk can be found on the Horizon
Music Web site. Just click the 'bios' section, then click the Steve Jolliffe
section, then click 'Cyclone' and you'll find them. You can also access our
site by going to www.tadream.net and clicking the link there.
Sincerely,
Dave Kaufman
Horizon Music, Inc.
www.hmnetwork.com
>
> But having just resurrected my memories of Newcastle City Hall -
> Cyclone Tour. I have to ask
>
> What the Hell is said in the vocoder part in the opening
>
> It sounds like
>
> 'When I talk to the trees all the ... ... ... ... oil vapour till
> there is no answer'
>
> 'when I talk to the snick snick.......'
>
> ' there are lost and lots of people around the trees who
> grow ... ... ...'
>
> '... ... ... ... or if there is I just don't understand, understand
> understand'
>
> Bemused, and remebering I never knew what the Hell Steve Joliffe was
> saying back then EITHER.
>
> Any Ideas.
>
> Edgar?
>
> Thanks - I know THIS group can pull an answer to something like that
> out of the hat without even trying.
>
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 6:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Date Conventions
Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
-snip a bunch of stuff I agree with-
>
> I have completely standardized on my concert list and my online music
> collection on the only date format that makes sense to me.
>
> YYYY.MM.DD
> 1976.02.09.
>
> It leaves no room for confusion and it sorts perfectly.
Yes. I do this also except that I format as YYYY-MM-DD, but hyphens
versus dots is entirely optional and doesn't really matter.
Ciao -- Mark
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 6:23
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Sohoman
Hi Dale!
Administrator (who's obviously up in smoke) wrote:
>
> time for a change
>
> Mark no longer Evil and he has manage to get his LFO off Ramp
>
> Morgan is evil and his LFO doesn't have ramp!
You've spent entirely too much time in California, my friend. You need to
get somewhere where the agricultural produce doesn't make you silly.
Dream away! -- Mark (...Ear! Ohr, here!...)
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From:
'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz'
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 6:29
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI Releases # 23,24,25
Sometime they planned to re-release three albums: Lily on the Beach, Melrose
& Optical Race but they postponed the edition. Probably the number you asked
were reserved for them.
cheers
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: René Brenner [mailto:fairway@g...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:12 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] TDI Releases # 23,24,25
>
>
> Today I went through my TDI releases and I found a gap
> between issue 22 and
> 26. Is there any information available regarding release 23,
> 24 and 25?
>
> Thank you
> René Brenner
>
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 7:10
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Cyclone lyrics, story
I have all the lyrics memorized... I have written 2 role-playing adventures
loosely based on the lyrics, one on the opening to 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' and
one on the last stanza of 'Rising Runner...'
TD lyrics make great Fantasy adventures...
James
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 9:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] The beginning of Bent Cold Sidewalk
heh! there you go, just the link I posted ;)
>The lyrics to the beginning of Bent Cold Sidewalk can be found on the Horizon
Music Web site.(...)
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Rolf Elfström
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 11:15
pm
Subject: Re: TT2 and downloading
>Watch your IP when you connect. You will see a pattern. Normally the last
>two sets of numbers change. For me this is easy to set. Say your address is
>123.456.78.111 on time, 123.456.78.22 the next. I set my mask for
>123.456.78.xxx you get in. Same if I have to mask the last two sets too
>(123.456.xxx.xxx). For those who get a few different sets, that isn't that
>hard either, just tell me what the sets are. These come in pairs sometimes.
>
>dale
Is there a place on the net that displays your IP?
It won't do me any good to check the IP given to my machine as
this whole town is on one big network with 'internal' IPs and
then the connections to the internet backbone is done with some
'dynamic' IP (I don't really know how this works, but I hope
you understand me)...
Rolf
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 11:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TT2 and downloading
yep I see your case is special
try www.tracert.com/cgi-bin/ping.pl
pick a server and the return IP, which more than likely your wan address.
Also normally the address in the box is the address to send me to let you in
or anyone else who has FTP locked down.
dale
BYW
Any good hacker knows this site... for those who are wondering....reminds me
of the number you dial on your phone that returns the phone number you are
calling from....
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Rolf Elfström'
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:15 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: TT2 and downloading
>
> >Watch your IP when you connect. You will see a pattern. Normally the last
> >two sets of numbers change. For me this is easy to set. Say your address
is
> >123.456.78.111 on time, 123.456.78.22 the next. I set my mask for
> >123.456.78.xxx you get in. Same if I have to mask the last two sets too
> >(123.456.xxx.xxx). For those who get a few different sets, that isn't
that
> >hard either, just tell me what the sets are. These come in pairs
sometimes.
> >
> >dale
>
> Is there a place on the net that displays your IP?
>
> It won't do me any good to check the IP given to my machine as
> this whole town is on one big network with 'internal' IPs and
> then the connections to the internet backbone is done with some
> 'dynamic' IP (I don't really know how this works, but I hope
> you understand me)...
>
> Rolf
>
>
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 12:42
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Sohoman
>
> Dream away! -- Mark (...Ear! Ohr, here!...)
Do my beady little eyes detect a Withnail & I reference?!
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 1:38
am
Subject: Dark Side of the Moog
I've been listening over the last few days to the various 'Dark Side of the
Moog' releases by Pete Namlook and Klaus Schulze. I was picking them up as
they came out - listened to them - liked them - then kind of forgot about
them - UNTIL - 'The Evolution of The Dark Side of the Moog' came out! This
is a great compilation (or best of?) of the first 8 DSOM CDs! I highly
recommend this release - track 4 & 8 really sent 'shivers' down my spine
(oh - wrong thread). And if you need the DSOM IX lastest release, I have a
few for sale. I wonder how the TD fans would rank these releases?
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 2:54
am
Subject: half-OT (bizarre music)
Hello everyone...
do you think 'Wahn' is weird?
hah!
have you heard a track called 'Aumgn' from Can's Tago-Mago? just to give you an
idea, the word 'aumgn' is part of the... err... 'lyrics'. absolutely the most
bizarre and insane music I've ever heard... a fantastic, unforgettable crazy
album, many kinds of music there. Take Radiohead (in Kid A/Amnesiac) and put in
1971.
-GJ on the way to bed (listening to Aumgn - which ends with a drumming frenzy
which makes Comas Sola sound... a bit soft maybe)
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 5:53
am
Subject: at darwin's..../list maintenance
>vidhairbhuushhitaam
is this what you use to get rid of a 'bad hair' day?
--T (YYYYMMDD preferred)
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 7:48
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] half-OT (bizarre music)
>Hello everyone...
>do you think 'Wahn' is weird?
>hah!
>have you heard a track called 'Aumgn' from Can's Tago-Mago? just to give
>you an idea, the word 'aumgn' is part of the... err... 'lyrics'. absolutely
>the most bizarre and insane music I've ever heard... a fantastic,
>unforgettable crazy album, many kinds of music there. Take Radiohead (in
>Kid A/Amnesiac) and put in 1971.
>-GJ on the way to bed (listening to Aumgn - which ends with a drumming
>frenzy which makes Comas Sola sound... a bit soft maybe)
>
>Gustavo Jobim
>gustavojobim@n...
I don't think Wahn is T.D:s strangest piece (though it does appear on my
Strange Voices hypothetic sampler; I have a few dozen different themed
samplers planned about about every TD theme. Gotta yet plan an 'urban'
sampler, early non-space music sampler, a guitar sampler, etc...), I'd so
far cast my vote on the 1973.11.29 concert which is my latest TD
acquisition.
Another really weird track I've heard is King Crimson's THRaKaTTaK. My
father collects all kinds of progressive rock, so every now and then I get
to hear some severely odd music...
John Vertical
PS: There's nothing strange about 'Aumgn'. Turned backwards, it's Finnish
for 'ventilation'.
PPS: Actually, I was just kidding...
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 7:56
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Cyclone lyrics, story
>I have all the lyrics memorized... I have written 2 role-playing
>adventures
>loosely based on the lyrics, one on the opening to 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' and
>one on the last stanza of 'Rising Runner...'
>
>TD lyrics make great Fantasy adventures...
>
>James
Two whole RPGs out of only few lines of lyrics? Well, they _are_ inspiring
ones, but either they must be somewhat small RPGs or you have a fabulous
imagination. Your 'Valley of the Sun' poetry would suggest the 2nd choice...
BTW, could you repost that? I lost my copy in a HD crash...
But then again, I also have a certain RPG connection with Bent Cold
Sidewalk. That '...but we can take you far beyond that door' verse always
associates for me with a certain mysterious bug in a certain game; when I
heard BCSW for the first time, I was exploring that bug.
John Vertical
np: Sad Merlin's Sunday - IMHO this is the best they have done within the
last 10 years. Or perhaps the guitar solo of Homeless? Whatever.
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 8:13
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1435
>But I'd be interested to hear whether anyone can work out what THIS vocoded
>introduction is saying...or find the original text...
>
>http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/The Stone.mp3
Well, sounds like:
The Stone is found
which is an estainment (?) for (a / Al / all)
For (which is crooked / witch is a Rook)
and (by / buy / why) a qualifying
For all above circles (or something...)
the Stone itself it's playing
But there is a (white / wide)
and (weight / wave)
at narrow (faith / weight)
It's called a Stone
and yet, he's no stone
and in that stone can adventure works of [something]
Look out for (or 'above'?) matter things
it's a [something] glow
it was involved in a [something] of circles... circles... circles...
What was this, anyway?
John Vertical
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From:
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Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 8:16
am
Subject: test
just testing, please ignore!
Nick
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 8:16
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Free sound editor
> > Does anyone know any free Mac AIFF music editors? I don't
> > really need anything more special than simple cut&paste,
>fading,
> > and perhaps (though not necessarily) pitch/speed adjustment
> > features.
> >
> > John Vertical
>
>Check for Pro Tools Free. As the name
>suggests it's actually pro tools from Digidesign and as such
>probably is a bit daunting for your needs. But it is free. Does not
>run on X (which is probably why they're giving it away). Supports
>24 bit btw.
Indeed, sounds a little mammothous. Our local macazine says exactly the
same...
Thanks to everyone who sent suggestions, I got a few and I think I'm happy
with them.
John Vertical
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 1:33
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Releases # 23,24,25
At 18:12 01.08.02 , you wrote:
>Today I went through my TDI releases and I found a gap between issue 22 and
>26. Is there any information available regarding release 23, 24 and 25?
>
>Thank you
>René Brenner
>
Good point. Here´s the story:
23, 24 and 25 were reserved for the reissues of the Private Music Releases
(Optical, Lily, Melrose) in the database of our distributor. For economic
reasons ( the market was still flooded with budget price copies of the
first issues), we decided to postpone the rerelease indefinitely until they
would be suffieciently long off the market to create a new demand. We have
left the numbers reserved in the database as we do plan to rerelease those
albums sometime in the future.
Hope this explanation helps to stop a few heads from pondering ;-)
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
www.tdimusic.com
Have a nice day!
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 8:53
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Evolution of the Tangs
>I would like peoples opinion on the Tangs evolution over the past 30+ years
>.I must admit to enjoying the first two decades more than latter releases
>.I
>think they simply aged better .
Agree. In the 70s TD were The Leaders in the field of EM; I mean, if you
were the first to employ a sequence, how could anyone say that was not
pioneering?
In the 80s they still were innovative, but I think this was moreso thanks to
the 'new blood'. The slow descent started after Franke left... Even though I
like the Melrose Years and some albums off the Seattle Years (220V, GC, but
NOT Rockoon), they don't sound too remarkable. Nice melodies and
soundscapes, but it simply lacks something.
I've discovered 3 lacking things so far:
1) Dark sections. Dolphin Dance on Livemiles was the last to get even near
dark (no pun intended), the last _really_ dark piece was Horizon. Crystal
Curfew or the likes are not even close.
2) Interesting background ambience. In eg. Poland or White Eagle, the
backgrounds are incredibly varying and interesting; this allows the music to
be examined from different viewpoints. The latter stuff has nothing but
these same old choral, symphonical or synthetic hums over and over again.
Real gems are rarities, not the standard.
3) Interesting sequencing. Chris was always the sequence mastermind, I
think; that's probably why there's so much drum patches and the like after
he left. Take The Midnight Trail for instance: it's a nice piece, but no
real sequencing. Of course, there are exceptions, eg. Waterborne, but again:
catchy sequencing is a rarity, not the standard anymore.
>The sounds on Melrose and other albums around the Korg keyboard (was it
>Korg
>?yes it was , just checked :))phase seem to sound older and less
>sophisticated than the earlier stuff !!????
Gee, *this* is some service! My question gets answered before I even have
asked it! I had wondered for some time now what instrument this nice
ever-reappearing Melrose Years keyboard sound is...
>The sounds from earlier albums
>seem timeless to me and I always noticed the lack of anything that would
>suggest a *real* instrument (guitars not included)By that I mean a keyboard
>sound trying to be an Oboe perhaps ? and that was kinda cool as it rooted
>TD
>firmly in the electronic field .
Timeless indeed. But back then, synths were generally still very primitive,
and able to produce mostly sounds like that; who knows, after some 100 years
that soundset might be thought to actually belong to the earliest EM: thus,
not timeless.
>However they seem now to have gone for an
>all out 'Orchestral' sound on 'Inferno' and various other tracks in recent
>albums (The seven Letters , Ambient Monkeys etc)and this seems kinda cheap
>sounding because to me (I`m not really a muso so its only an opinion) the
>unique classy sound that TD always had has now merged into a wishy washy
>'this could be anybody' kind of sound ,it doesn't`t stand on a pedestal
>anymore .
I agree. TD was a leading and innovative group up to at least the end of the
80s, but lately, they've lost their edge. Mars Polaris was my second TD
album, but even though I like Oasis, I really dislike MP. Originally I was
going to write 'absolutely hate' but then I remembered that there in fact
are some nice movements on Comet's Figure Head, Outland and Astrophobia. The
rest sucks. Oasis had a small flaw about disposability of themes; a theme
appears only once, with only slight or no variation. In MP this is taken
somewhat further... yuck. I'm probably not even going to try Great Wall of
China if I don't learn to like that style.
I've listened through TT3 two times, and I don't think I'll ever make it to
the end a 3rd time. Unimpressive cheap strings like they have on Tangents,
and I dislike vocals in general. Even the choral parts are boring.
I yet have to test the Dream Mixes style to see if I like that. Well, TT
vol.15-16 should be enough of a testbed.
John Vertical
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 9:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] At Darwin's Motel lyrics mystery revealed
>Hello all,
>
>Sorry if this is already discussed, (I'm new to this group) but I've
>seen people were asking about the meaning of lyrics from 'At Darwin's
>motel'.
>The truth is, the sample is in Sanskrit, it is a Dhyaana Shloka,
>invocation song of Hindu goddess Lakshmi, goddesss of wealth and
>prosperity. You can find the whole thing at
>http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/2627/tstotmal.html
>
>the lines you are interested in are:
>
>vande padmakaraaM prasannavadanaaM saubhaagyadaaM bhaagyadaaM.
>hastaabhyaamabhayapradaaM maNigaNairnaanaa vidhairbhuushhitaam.
>
>The translation would be:
>
>'I salute the Goddess, who bears lotus flowers in hands, who is of
>smiling face, bestower of all fortunes, whose hands are ready to
>rescue anyone from fear, who is adorned by various ornaments with
>precious stones.'
Indeed, you're revelaing the mystery a 2nd time. But how can the solution be
different? We already got a proof it's Mongolese...
see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/message/33387
John Vertical
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 9:12
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Evolution of the Tangs - dark
>I've discovered 3 lacking things so far:
>1) Dark sections. Dolphin Dance on Livemiles was the last to get even near
>dark (no pun intended), the last _really_ dark piece was Horizon. Crystal
>Curfew or the likes are not even close.
>
Terve John,
I would tend to disagree (but then moods in music are always somewhat
subjective, aren´t they ? ;-)) Example: what about 'The Red Blood
Connection', off 'The Seven Letters..'? IMHO, this is one of the darkest
tracks in TD´s history (and I´m a goth-rocker, so I should know... ;-)) -
this would easily fit as a soundtrack to a movie like 'Bram Stoker´s
Dracula'. Also, what, in your opinion, is so dark about Dolphin Dance?
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 9:27
am
Subject: Wade Gordon + TD Rarities
I have to say that Wade Gordon is really doing a great thing for EM and
Tangerine Dream.
I am hearing stories about how people won't leave their car because the
music is moving them in such a way.
Wade had an EM format that works very well and I hope it continues to gain
support.
So I hope you can tune into Wade and support his cause. He's the EM Man!
To get to him goto www.ricochetdream.com and click on the RADIO link.
I believe that TD will be on his show within the next few weeks?
--------------
Now for the hardcore fans... I have added some mega rarities to my Music
website.. Only the hardcore fans will know why these items are so
expensive - and there is no hurry to sell. But at least you'll know where
those gems are available - just in case the urge comes up :) VicRek
From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 9:34
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Evolution of the Tangs
Hi Pete,
let's take up your argument from here...
> I would like peoples opinion on the Tangs evolution over the past 30+
> years .I must admit to enjoying the first two decades more than latter
> releases .I think they simply aged better .
>
> The sounds on Melrose and other albums around the Korg keyboard (was
> it Korg ?yes it was , just checked :))phase seem to sound older and
> less sophisticated than the earlier stuff !!???? The sounds from
> earlier albums seem timeless to me and I always noticed the lack of
> anything that would suggest a *real* instrument (guitars not
> included)By that I mean a keyboard sound trying to be an Oboe perhaps
> ? and that was kinda cool as it rooted TD firmly in the electronic
> field . However they seem now to have gone for an all out 'Orchestral'
> sound on 'Inferno' and various other tracks in recent albums (The
> seven Letters , Ambient Monkeys etc)and this seems kinda cheap
> sounding because to me (I`m not really a muso so its only an opinion)
> the unique classy sound that TD always had has now merged into a wishy
> washy 'this could be anybody' kind of sound ,it doesn't`t stand on a
> pedestal anymore .
I suspect that this has someting to do with TD's intentions when the
group was first set up as compared with their agenda now. If the
various biographies are to be believed, TD set out to use music as a
vehicle for mood and surrealist expression - 'painting with music',
essentially.
In the permissive musical setting of the late 60s and early 70s, this was
probably a feasible agenda, and the group's use of instruments and
sounds reflected this undertaking. They began to use synthesisers
instead of traditional elements in order to 'paint' sounds straight from
their imagination instead of relying on the use or imitation of existing
instruments. They eschewed traditional musical structures for the sake
of a more expressive, organic sound that used mood to replace melody.
So, like a few other musicians at the time, they were very experimental
and pushed the boundaries in terms of sound research and musical
structures.
And then, gradually, others jumped onto the bandwagon, commercially
and musically. From the late 70s to the early 90s, synthesisers became
so popular that they rapidly evolved from being daunting voltage-
controlled organisms, which often had a mind of their own and would
be used only by the most daring of musicians, to being impressive
'workstations', which had hundreds or even thousands of pre-set
sounds, and which, thanks to robust digital technology, were able to
store and reproduce these sounds faithfully every time the musician
needed them.
From a technological point of view, this is great. For a performing
musician, it's a fantastic tool (and just see how relieved TD themselves
were when digital synthesisers finally put an end to their mammoth
tuning sessions). But for a group whose sound had been defined to a
large extent by the creation of brand new sounds and experimentation
with volatile technology, the swamping of the sonic market with
infinitely reproducible libraries of sounds must be rather limiting.
A second point about the technological and commercial development
of TD and the world around them is, of course, that the manufacturers
of synthesisers and keyboards - in the knowledge that TD were to a
large degree responsible for the popularity of these instruments since
the 70s - now seem to give them their newest models to use and
'advertise' in their music. Someone else on this list once quoted Edgar
as saying that he didn't want to stray too far away from factory presets
any more because the manufacturers expected their sounds to be
audible on the record. This is probably one of the reasons why you spot
so many familiar sounds on TD albums from the 80s onwards.
Musically, the case is hardly different. There have been countless
musical directions and styles springing up since TD first started out,
and many of them were at least influenced by TD. And, of course, there
have been those who have tried to recreate TD more directly - from the
bedroom musician who has been inspired by TD's music to produce
music of his/her own to those who are 'TD tribute bands' in all but
name.
Personally, I agree that the more recent releases may no longer sound
as fresh and timeless as those when TD were still truly at the cutting
edge of technological and musical development. However, to produce a
fine album like 'Mars Polaris' against the changed technological and
musical background witnesses a lot of artistic competence, and the
willingness to branch out into other styles (e.g., most recently, Inferno
or the Seven Letters) shows a lot of courage.
Many people on the list disagreed when I mentioned this before, but I
still do think that it is extremely difficult these days, given the
background I've just described, to produce anything that is (perceived to
be) anywhere near as ground-breaking as the work TD did back in the
70s. I realise that, for any artist, the feasibility of the new and radical is
an indispensable belief, and I do accept that there is a lot of interesting
music out there even now. But due to the sheer quantity of sounds and
music out there, I think we have reached a point of saturation, where
even the most creative of new acts will have a reduced impact on us.
It's a bit like McDonald's chucking some ginger into a burger and
calling it China McSo-and-so. It's sort of new, but it's no longer very
exciting because there are so many similar things all around it.
As for TD, I continue to be amazed by their staying power and I really
like some of their recent albums (e.g. Goblins' Club, Mars Polaris,
Seven Letters), which I think have seome real vision to them - even
though, of course, it no longer stands out as much and thus has little
chance of being made Peel's Record of the Year without any previous
airplay.
Dennis
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 9:33
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Evolution of the Tangs - dark
>Example: what about 'The Red Blood
>Connection', off 'The Seven Letters..'?
I haven't heard 7 Letters yet, so I can't comment on that. Hmm, sounds
promising...
>Also, what, in your opinion, is so dark about Dolphin Dance?
The remix at end of Livemiles: West Berlin Concert, not the US version.
Especially after that harpsichord or whatsit section, when the bass sequence
begins, sounds somewhat dark, and so does the finale.
John Vertical
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From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 9:38
am
Subject: Re: Shivers
Hey, Ed, interesting list. Thanks for reminding me about Santana and Al
Stewart. I'm off to dig out some old vinyl!
LnH
Marion
From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 9:41
am
Subject: : Re: Re: list maintenance
Dale wrote: 'I prefer day month year.'
But YYYYMMDD is easier for sorting purposes. (Yes I know you can get round
this without too much hassle, but why not do things the easiest way?)
LnH
Marion
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 10:00
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Evolution of the Tangs
>From a technological point of view, this is great. For a performing
>musician, it's a fantastic tool (and just see how relieved TD themselves
>were when digital synthesisers finally put an end to their mammoth
>tuning sessions). But for a group whose sound had been defined to a
>large extent by the creation of brand new sounds and experimentation
>with volatile technology, the swamping of the sonic market with
>infinitely reproducible libraries of sounds must be rather limiting.
Well, I guess Edgar himself is rather satisfied with his output, but that's
not the question - instead, I think we were collecting the fans' opinions...
>Many people on the list disagreed when I mentioned this before, but I
>still do think that it is extremely difficult these days, given the
>background I've just described, to produce anything that is (perceived to
>be) anywhere near as ground-breaking as the work TD did back in the
>70s. I realise that, for any artist, the feasibility of the new and radical
>is
>an indispensable belief, and I do accept that there is a lot of interesting
>music out there even now. But due to the sheer quantity of sounds and
>music out there, I think we have reached a point of saturation, where
>even the most creative of new acts will have a reduced impact on us.
I don't disagree, quite the opposite instead. The development of the
'industrial art' and the most extreme of experimentations caused by a
falldown of several taboos during the previous century has caused this
situation what Ben Akiba would be rather pleased with: 'Nothing new under
the sun'.
Of course, everything has not been done, but finding something similar is
now possible more easily.
I have a vision that could lead to something original:
1) develop a program that can code a piece of music into a grayscale picture
and vice versa
2) initially create the music graphically out of random data passed through
a few dozen Photoshop filters and only after that transform it into an
auditive form for the final editing
Some real artist could probably tell me how feasible / new this idea is, but
I still am afraid that producing something else than boring rainbow noise
would be very hard.
Isn't it really interesting, that the more information (=less repetitivity)
there is in any form of communication, the more it resembles complete chaos?
I think there's a rather challenging philosophical dilemma involved in this,
but I'm not able to fully grasp it yet... We'll see after I've gone through
the basics of information theory.
John Vertical
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From:
'michael_berling'
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 10:35
am
Subject: Re: TDI Releases # 23,24,25
--- In tadream@y..., TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote:
> At 18:12 01.08.02 , you wrote:
> >Today I went through my TDI releases and I found a gap between
issue 22 and
> >26. Is there any information available regarding release 23, 24
and 25?
> >
> >Thank you
> >René Brenner
> >
>
> Good point. Here´s the story:
> 23, 24 and 25 were reserved for the reissues of the Private Music
Releases
> (Optical, Lily, Melrose) in the database of our distributor. For
economic
> reasons ( the market was still flooded with budget price copies of
the
> first issues), we decided to postpone the rerelease indefinitely
until they
> would be suffieciently long off the market to create a new demand.
We have
> left the numbers reserved in the database as we do plan to
rerelease those
> albums sometime in the future.
>
> Hope this explanation helps to stop a few heads from pondering ;-)
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
The complete list of TDI releases can be found in 'Voices In The
Net', including some remarks about the missing numbers, and including
the unnumbered releases, too. Anyway, when editing that list, I
supposed that there were some copyright problems with the Private
Music entries (AFAIR there were some rumours saying this), but now
Martin has shed some light on this -- thanks!
Direkt link to the list in VitN:
http://home.t-online.de/home/320068467926-0001/___tdica.htm
Regards
Michael
From:
'zathrus13'
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 11:53
am
Subject: Does anyone have these KS ROIO's to trade???
I am looking for the following Klaus concert recordings to trade for:
Klaus Schulze - 09/08/99 Kickzone Festival
Klaus Schulze - 23/09/91 Valencia
Actually, I would like to get any/all of the 1991 tour in Spain.
If anyone has these or would just like to trade in general, please
contact me at jmisner13@l...
Thanks - Jeff
From:
'Greg'
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 12:13
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Evolution of the Tangs
You miss and issue here in regards to the difference between visual and
auditory art. Visual art is perceived all at once whereas auditory art is
experienced over a set limit of time. If I were to take a picture of scene
by the ocean with trees, a sky, and a sun bather, how would you convey that
in a piece of audio? When would the sky end and the ocean start? This is why
music that tries to paint a picture is basically music with numerous layers
running at once. Nevertheless, we experience things singularly, meaning our
eyes usually focus on one thing at a time. That scanning motion is something
that is perceived through a certain amount of time, and thus can be
'experienced' in a musical form. I'd love to see what would be made of such
an idea.. I can only imagine what music could try to do with art, like
Pierre Bonnard's work.. incredible visual subtlety in an attempt to
recapture that single momentary perception of seeing something new. I am
constantly trying to reverse this idea, to convert a piece of music into a
visual form. It is not easy, and there has not been an artist in the past
that I have seen that has done it in a satisfactory way IMO. I once thought
that percussion could be brush stroke.. repetition. Melody could be an
unbroken flowing line (like a visual equalizer), and that each sound had a
particular tonal value.. dark and light sounds equate to dark and light
visual information. I think it's hackneyed, but most art these days is
anyway.. good luck trying to do something new.
Greg H.
> I don't disagree, quite the opposite instead. The development of the
> 'industrial art' and the most extreme of experimentations caused by a
> falldown of several taboos during the previous century has caused this
> situation what Ben Akiba would be rather pleased with: 'Nothing new under
> the sun'.
> Of course, everything has not been done, but finding something similar is
> now possible more easily.
>
> I have a vision that could lead to something original:
> 1) develop a program that can code a piece of music into a grayscale
picture
> and vice versa
> 2) initially create the music graphically out of random data passed
through
> a few dozen Photoshop filters and only after that transform it into an
> auditive form for the final editing
>
> Some real artist could probably tell me how feasible / new this idea is,
but
> I still am afraid that producing something else than boring rainbow noise
> would be very hard.
>
> Isn't it really interesting, that the more information (=less
repetitivity)
> there is in any form of communication, the more it resembles complete
chaos?
> I think there's a rather challenging philosophical dilemma involved in
this,
> but I'm not able to fully grasp it yet... We'll see after I've gone
through
> the basics of information theory.
>
> John Vertical
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 12:32
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Visualizing Music
>You miss and issue here in regards to the difference between visual and
>auditory art. Visual art is perceived all at once whereas auditory art is
>experienced over a set limit of time.
No no, the point was not to transform pictures into music - it was to edit
music with a graphical interface. Like a step futher on from the basic
waveform view...
> > I have a vision that could lead to something original:
> > 1) develop a program that can code a piece of music into a grayscale
>picture
> > and vice versa
> > 2) initially create the music graphically out of random data passed
>through
> > a few dozen Photoshop filters and only after that transform it into an
> > auditive form for the final editing
> >
> > Some real artist could probably tell me how feasible / new this idea is,
>but
> > I still am afraid that producing something else than boring rainbow
>noise
> > would be very hard.
John Vertical
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From:
'Greg'
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 12:53
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Visualizing Music
Ok I see what you are saying! So I assume you would start with a rectangular
or squareish 'canvas' by which music would be visualized into an abstract
composition. From here, as in what you said before, you would have a
greyscale image.. and the tonal values of say white would equate to 16K
whereas black could be in the 60 hz range. One would have a 'brush' and the
object would to actually compose an interesting composition of lights and
darks (as any good painting would be) and it would then be converted back to
musical form to wishfully be a better piece of music.. I would though think
the visual form of music would actually convert into a very pattern like
image. You could take this a step further and have music critiqued in its
visual form and maybe how good a piece of music is would translate into how
well it creates a visual composition.
Greg H.
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From: 'John Vertical'
To:
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 5:32 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Visualizing Music
> >You miss and issue here in regards to the difference between visual and
> >auditory art. Visual art is perceived all at once whereas auditory art is
> >experienced over a set limit of time.
>
>
> No no, the point was not to transform pictures into music - it was to edit
> music with a graphical interface. Like a step futher on from the basic
> waveform view...
>
>
> > > I have a vision that could lead to something original:
> > > 1) develop a program that can code a piece of music into a grayscale
> >picture
> > > and vice versa
> > > 2) initially create the music graphically out of random data passed
> >through
> > > a few dozen Photoshop filters and only after that transform it into an
> > > auditive form for the final editing
> > >
> > > Some real artist could probably tell me how feasible / new this idea
is,
> >but
> > > I still am afraid that producing something else than boring rainbow
> >noise
> > > would be very hard.
>
> John Vertical
>
>
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Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 2:33
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Subject: Re: [tadream] Dark Side of the Moog
I hve the first DSOM - it is very wonderful. The only
complaint (if it is a complaint) is that some of the
track breaks seem almost random...
--- vic rek wrote:
> I've been listening over the last few days to the
> various 'Dark Side of the
> Moog' releases by Pete Namlook and Klaus Schulze. I
> was picking them up as
> they came out - listened to them - liked them - then
> kind of forgot about
> them - UNTIL - 'The Evolution of The Dark Side of
> the Moog' came out! This
> is a great compilation (or best of?) of the first 8
> DSOM CDs! I highly
> recommend this release - track 4 & 8 really sent
> 'shivers' down my spine
> (oh - wrong thread). And if you need the DSOM IX
> lastest release, I have a
> few for sale. I wonder how the TD fans would rank
> these releases?
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From:
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Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 2:36
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Cyclone lyrics, story
That '...but we can take you far beyond
> that door' verse always
> associates for me with a certain mysterious bug in a
> certain game; when I
> heard BCSW for the first time, I was exploring that
> bug.
>
Trying to spot the reference: Jet Set Willy/2 on the
old ZX Spectrum?
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 3:53
pm
Subject: RE: The Stone
Here's what I got:
The Stone is found
Which is sustained with bile
from which is grown
a fire volatile
When all the ?lovable?
Stone itself is made
But there is a white and great
and narrow faith
It's called the Stone,
and yet is no stone
And in that Stone
There Nature works around
Apart from that the ?may sticks?
sometimes flow
Is Wisdom rather a _______ also? (also) (also)
>http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/The Stone.mp3
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 3:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Evolution of the Tangs
Dark to me means playing in minor keys. I bet you might be refereing to
'Dark' as a emotion?
Dale
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 4:08
pm
Subject: TT2 Update
Hey Folks!
Unbeknownst to some, we've been busy little bees back here in the shop,
cranking out SHN files, and getting them to key people. We are almost ready
to announce the tree structure (it will be this weekend!).
I'm posting a new PDF file with the latest pre-branch-assignment status.
This is the current version of all your info:
http://www.tadream.net/tree/tt2.pdf
If there is a correction needed, let us know NOW. (thank you)
DOWNLOADERS:
We're leaving the server policies up to each owner. I have my FTP server
set to allow
2 concurrent logins due to my upload speed limitations. Anyone can log in
and I'm not worried about filtering stuff. If you cannot get in it is
because both slots
are filled. If you are using Internet Explorer, you should be able to
connect to:
ftp://TT2:froese@2...
ftp host: 24.51.35.43
username: TT2
password: froese
If you are disconnected during a download, wait a few moments to reconnect
and you should be able to resume the download.
NOTE: Only SHN discs 4-7 are complete on the FTP site. The files in SHN D3
and D8 are complete, but there are files missing. I will be repartitioning
my hard drive tonight so all 8 discs of the SHN are accessible.
NOTE 2: You only need download the 'new' text files. The old ones have some
errors in them.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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From:
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Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 4:11
pm
Subject: TT2 Downloads
I forgot to mention, you will need to disable PASV (Passive) mode in your
FTP client.
If you are using CuteFTP, after you have created an FTP site/account for my
site, click the 'Edit' button at the bottom and click the 'PASV' checkbox
twice or until there is no checkmark.
There may be troubles with the web access because of the above issue (web
browsers assume PASV), but I may be able to correct this tomorrow.
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From:
ampmusic
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 4:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest 1438 'The Stone'
> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 11:13:05 +0300
> From: 'John Vertical'
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 1435
>
> >But I'd be interested to hear whether anyone can work out what THIS vocoded
> >introduction is saying...or find the original text...
> >
> >http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/The Stone.mp3
>
> Well, sounds like:
>
> The Stone is found
> which is an estainment (?) for (a / Al / all)
>
> For (which is crooked / witch is a Rook)
> and (by / buy / why) a qualifying
>
> For all above circles (or something...)
> the Stone itself it's playing
>
> But there is a (white / wide)
> and (weight / wave)
> at narrow (faith / weight)
>
> It's called a Stone
> and yet, he's no stone
> and in that stone can adventure works of [something]
>
> Look out for (or 'above'?) matter things
> it's a [something] glow
> it was involved in a [something] of circles... circles... circles...
>
> What was this, anyway?
>
> John Vertical
That was a good guess! About 50% of the way there :-)
Anyway, you were winning, until this one came along...
> Message: 25
> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:53:19 -0500
> From: 'Owens, James'
> Subject: RE: The Stone
>
> Here's what I got:
>
> The Stone is found
> Which is sustained with bile
> from which is grown
> a fire volatile
>
> When all the ?lovable?
> Stone itself is made
>
> But there is a white and great
> and narrow faith
>
> It's called the Stone,
> and yet is no stone
> And in that Stone
> There Nature works around
>
> Apart from that the ?may sticks?
> sometimes flow
>
> Is Wisdom rather a _______ also? (also) (also)
>
> >http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/The Stone.mp3
Even better! About 65%...I thought it was much less intelligble than that.
If you want to try reading a bit more about the CD before trying the MP3, go to
the top of;
http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/albums.html
Wouter Bessels in 'Background' magazine (Netherlands) recently wrote, 'Just
think
of a combination of recent Ashra material, Mike Oldfield and Eighties style
Tangerine Dream and Jarre, with a little bit of modern e-m in some places. A
great CD to play in your car when you're heading for a long distance, as
'Sequencer Loops' will satisfy you for over an hour. Highly recommended!'
Any more guesses about those words? :-)
From:
'maggior'
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 5:39
pm
Subject: Re: TT2 Update
Folks -
I'm on vacation next week and won't have access to a computer again
until 8/12. So, if you send me an email because I am your supplier
(assuming I'm assigned a branch role) for TT2 and I don't respond
immediately, it's because I am on vacation, not because I'm being
unresponsive.
As soon as I get back, I will resopond to any email regarding the
tree.
I already have my artwork printed, cut out, and inserted into jewel
cases. I am eager to get things moving so I can add the CDs!
Thanks!
Rich Maggio
--- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote:
> Hey Folks!
>
> Unbeknownst to some, we've been busy little bees back here in the
shop,
> cranking out SHN files, and getting them to key people. We are
almost ready
> to announce the tree structure (it will be this weekend!).
>
> I'm posting a new PDF file with the latest pre-branch-assignment
status.
>
> This is the current version of all your info:
> http://www.tadream.net/tree/tt2.pdf
>
> If there is a correction needed, let us know NOW. (thank you)
>
> DOWNLOADERS:
>
> We're leaving the server policies up to each owner. I have my FTP
server
> set to allow
> 2 concurrent logins due to my upload speed limitations. Anyone can
log in
> and I'm not worried about filtering stuff. If you cannot get in it
is
> because both slots
> are filled. If you are using Internet Explorer, you should be able
to
> connect to:
>
> ftp://TT2:froese@2...
>
> ftp host: 24.51.35.43
> username: TT2
> password: froese
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> If you are disconnected during a download, wait a few moments to
reconnect
> and you should be able to resume the download.
>
> NOTE: Only SHN discs 4-7 are complete on the FTP site. The files in
SHN D3
> and D8 are complete, but there are files missing. I will be
repartitioning
> my hard drive tonight so all 8 discs of the SHN are accessible.
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> NOTE 2: You only need download the 'new' text files. The old ones
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From:
'Phil White'
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 5:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dark Side of the Moog
Vic
Couldn't agree more that the Evolution album is a cracker !
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: 'vic rek'
To: 'TD List'
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:38 AM
Subject: [tadream] Dark Side of the Moog
> I've been listening over the last few days to the various 'Dark Side of
the
> Moog' releases by Pete Namlook and Klaus Schulze. I was picking them up
as
> they came out - listened to them - liked them - then kind of forgot about
> them - UNTIL - 'The Evolution of The Dark Side of the Moog' came out! This
> is a great compilation (or best of?) of the first 8 DSOM CDs! I highly
> recommend this release - track 4 & 8 really sent 'shivers' down my spine
> (oh - wrong thread). And if you need the DSOM IX lastest release, I have
a
> few for sale. I wonder how the TD fans would rank these releases?
>
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 6:36
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: The Stone
I'm starting to guess that this is a reference to the 'adamant stone' or the
'adamas stone' as cited in the 'Aberdeen Bestiary', an ancient text, whose
translation can be found at:
http://www.clues.abdn.ac.uk:8080/besttest/alt/comment/best_toc.html
There is no exact text similar to this, but the text starting at 93v talks
about the fire-bearing stones (Adam and Eve) and the adamas stone, which the
text compares to Christ.
I'd guess the text for 'The Stone' was taken from a book covering this idea
in more detail.
James
-----Original Message-----
From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...]
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:53 AM
To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [tadream] RE: The Stone
Here's what I got:
The Stone is found
Which is sustained with bile
from which is grown
a fire volatile
When all the ?lovable?
Stone itself is made
But there is a white and great
and narrow faith
It's called the Stone,
and yet is no stone
And in that Stone
There Nature works around
Apart from that the ?may sticks?
sometimes flow
Is Wisdom rather a _______ also? (also) (also)
>http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/The Stone.mp3
From:
thesmitter@j...
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 3:06
am
Subject: Re:Re: [tadream] Dark Side of the Moog
I have all 9 DSOtM releases, but not 'Evolution...'. I tend to change my mind
on which I like the best. Right now the most recent one, IX, is probably my
favorite - it's very good. But that could change. Overall, I think later
releases are better than earlier releases in the series, imo.
Larry
I hve the first DSOM - it is very wonderful. The only
complaint (if it is a complaint) is that some of the
track breaks seem almost random...
--- vic rek wrote:
> I've been listening over the last few days to the
> various 'Dark Side of the
> Moog' releases by Pete Namlook and Klaus Schulze. I
> was picking them up as
> they came out - listened to them - liked them - then
> kind of forgot about
> them - UNTIL - 'The Evolution of The Dark Side of
> the Moog' came out! This
> is a great compilation (or best of?) of the first 8
> DSOM CDs! I highly
> recommend this release - track 4 & 8 really sent
> 'shivers' down my spine
> (oh - wrong thread). And if you need the DSOM IX
> lastest release, I have a
> few for sale. I wonder how the TD fans would rank
> these releases?
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 8:12
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Cyclone RPG reference [severely OT]
>Trying to spot the reference: Jet Set Willy/2 on the
>old ZX Spectrum?
No no, it's not a game of the late 70s or whenever 'old ZX' was around- I
was born in 85 (like Super Mario and Hearbreakers OST) and got Cyclone yet
this January.
If you're interested, the game's Legend of Zelda III for Super Nintendo; the
bug allows you to warp from one dungeon to any another by walking under the
floor... (kewl :)
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 10:56
pm
Subject: Old Virgins and Cyc-BR for trade
Hi folks,
Well I have just accidentally found a lot of SBMs in a store, and... well...
I've kind of completed my SBM collection ;) - by far my 'hugest' cd purchase in
one day - and they also had Man-Machine! :) Now I have all the SBMs indeed,
even Thief and Logos which seem to be a bit harder to find. np Tangram.
As I suspected, the sound quality wasn't light years away from the old cds, and
well, I now have some spare TD CDs, which are playing perfectly and in an
overall good shape (CDs and booklets etc). I don't really think people need
them, but hey, maybe there is. I'm looking for original CDs of people like
Schulze, Ashra, TD, Can, Faust, etc, something else you can maybe offer. Also,
I have yet another Cyclone made in Brazil. So if anyone needs them, here's the
list:
Phaedra;
Rubycon;
Cyclone;
Tangram;
White Eagle (NOT bronzed! ;)
Hyperborea;
and the Brazilian SBM Cyclone.
I'd like to get rid of them really, so probably tomorrow afternoon I'll put
them for sale in a friend's store (he usually has TD and he used to buy the
records when they came out).
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 5:40
am
Subject: Beatle's Quote & Warsaw
I hear it too!! Fantastic spot Ivan! The notes played at 11.48 reminded me
of it especially. Tribute or co-incidence?
Also, has anyone ever noticed that the tom-tom pattern from Going West can
be heard very low in the mix during certain parts of Warsaw In The Sun?
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Ivan Yerkedoff
To:
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 3:46 PM
Subject: [tadream] Beatle's Quote?
> Hi all. Is it me or is there a quote from the Beatle's
> Hard Day's Night on TT1 Nottingham Track 3 starting at
> 11:24 min's into it and again at 11:48?
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 7:15
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Evolution of the Tangs
Seeing as you've raised this John, I personally fell that as well as being a
magnificent composition, 'Comet's Figure Head' is a surprisingly dark piece,
perhaps their darkest for 10 years.
I would agree with you on most of the points you have made. In the 70s, it
wasn't just TD's use of sequencers which made them great, but how they built
layers of both deep and beautiful sound around those sequencers. It was
important how they incorporated their sequencers into longer pieces, making
the sequence part of the track at various points rather than merely
establishing a sequence and playing along to it. Even in the improvised
concerts of the mid 70s, there was always a strong sense of composition in
TD's music. Over a period of up to half an hour, tracks would build
gradually layer upon layer, would often reach some kind of extended
crescendo, before being brought to a gradual close. This structure is
evident in tracks from the 80s and 90s too, although in a far more
disciplined fashion (Three Bikes In The Sky, Electric Lion, Marakesh,
Vanishing Blue, Long Island Sunset, Red Roadster).
After Johannes joined, TD began to vary the structure and sytle of their
compositions a lot during the 1980s. There were lots of short, commercial
tracks with more traditional intro/chorus/verse/chorus/middle8/chorus type
structure (Streethawk, Warsaw In The Sun, Choronzon, Polish Dance, Dominion,
Rare Bird, Alexander Square), but they also produced a lot of pieces which
showcased true compositional flair and tracks were structured in their
natural way with no regard to commercial interests or traditional
song-writing (Horizon, Poland, Song Of The Whale, most of Hyperborea, second
half of Logos Part 1, Alchemy Of The Heart, Yellowstone Park)
Their use of sequencers in the way in which they were used in the past is
limited now, but the past is the past, and as much as we treasure his
massive contribution, when Chris Franke left, TD's music changed. But that's
exactly the point. TD's output always reflects the personnel who are in the
band at any one point. When Franke left, it wasn't a case of getting a new
guy in to do what he did, to compose sequences, etc. Whoever was to replace
him didn't necessarily have to be a sequencing expert. They just needed to
bring their natural talent to the band. When Paul Haslinger joined, he
brought different things than Chris Franke to the band, as did Jerome, as
had Johannes before him. So TD's lack of sequencers throughout the 90s is a
direct result of the evolution of their music (for better or worse), brought
about by changes in personnel.
There are sequences in some of TD's music nowadays, but they're usually
limited to very short loops and phrases, and aren't there to provide the
same kind of driving impetus like in Mojave Plan or parts of Logos. But who
wants a band of this longevity to continually produce music based on the
same format? One of the things I love about TD's music is it's sheer
variety. If I want to hear sequencer-dominated pieces, I can put on
Nottingham 1976, if I want to hear something powerful and evocative I can
play Song Of The Whale, if I want something impossibly beautiful and moving
I can play Alchemy Of The Heart, or I can listen to dance music on Dream
Mixes, or the compositional discipline of Tangram. Sequencers played a vital
role in TD's music, forming the rhythmical basis for those improvised 30
minute masterpieces of many a 1976 concert, but an artist must move on and
explore different styles of writing. But hey, one of Edgar's philosophies is
the fact that everything he sees in fashions, styles, approaches to
creativity, etc, turns in circles and cycles, so maybe TD will one day
become sequencer based again!
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vertical
To:
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:53 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Evolution of the Tangs
> >I would like peoples opinion on the Tangs evolution over the past 30+
years
> >.I must admit to enjoying the first two decades more than latter releases
> >.I
> >think they simply aged better .
>
>
> Agree. In the 70s TD were The Leaders in the field of EM; I mean, if you
> were the first to employ a sequence, how could anyone say that was not
> pioneering?
> In the 80s they still were innovative, but I think this was moreso thanks
to
> the 'new blood'. The slow descent started after Franke left... Even though
I
> like the Melrose Years and some albums off the Seattle Years (220V, GC,
but
> NOT Rockoon), they don't sound too remarkable. Nice melodies and
> soundscapes, but it simply lacks something.
>
> I've discovered 3 lacking things so far:
> 1) Dark sections. Dolphin Dance on Livemiles was the last to get even near
> dark (no pun intended), the last _really_ dark piece was Horizon. Crystal
> Curfew or the likes are not even close.
> 2) Interesting background ambience. In eg. Poland or White Eagle, the
> backgrounds are incredibly varying and interesting; this allows the music
to
> be examined from different viewpoints. The latter stuff has nothing but
> these same old choral, symphonical or synthetic hums over and over again.
> Real gems are rarities, not the standard.
> 3) Interesting sequencing. Chris was always the sequence mastermind, I
> think; that's probably why there's so much drum patches and the like after
> he left. Take The Midnight Trail for instance: it's a nice piece, but no
> real sequencing. Of course, there are exceptions, eg. Waterborne, but
again:
> catchy sequencing is a rarity, not the standard anymore.
>
>
> >The sounds on Melrose and other albums around the Korg keyboard (was it
> >Korg
> >?yes it was , just checked :))phase seem to sound older and less
> >sophisticated than the earlier stuff !!????
>
>
> Gee, *this* is some service! My question gets answered before I even have
> asked it! I had wondered for some time now what instrument this nice
> ever-reappearing Melrose Years keyboard sound is...
>
>
> >The sounds from earlier albums
> >seem timeless to me and I always noticed the lack of anything that would
> >suggest a *real* instrument (guitars not included)By that I mean a
keyboard
> >sound trying to be an Oboe perhaps ? and that was kinda cool as it rooted
> >TD
> >firmly in the electronic field .
>
>
> Timeless indeed. But back then, synths were generally still very
primitive,
> and able to produce mostly sounds like that; who knows, after some 100
years
> that soundset might be thought to actually belong to the earliest EM:
thus,
> not timeless.
>
>
> >However they seem now to have gone for an
> >all out 'Orchestral' sound on 'Inferno' and various other tracks in
recent
> >albums (The seven Letters , Ambient Monkeys etc)and this seems kinda
cheap
> >sounding because to me (I`m not really a muso so its only an opinion) the
> >unique classy sound that TD always had has now merged into a wishy washy
> >'this could be anybody' kind of sound ,it doesn't`t stand on a pedestal
> >anymore .
>
>
> I agree. TD was a leading and innovative group up to at least the end of
the
> 80s, but lately, they've lost their edge. Mars Polaris was my second TD
> album, but even though I like Oasis, I really dislike MP. Originally I was
> going to write 'absolutely hate' but then I remembered that there in fact
> are some nice movements on Comet's Figure Head, Outland and Astrophobia.
The
> rest sucks. Oasis had a small flaw about disposability of themes; a theme
> appears only once, with only slight or no variation. In MP this is taken
> somewhat further... yuck. I'm probably not even going to try Great Wall of
> China if I don't learn to like that style.
>
> I've listened through TT3 two times, and I don't think I'll ever make it
to
> the end a 3rd time. Unimpressive cheap strings like they have on Tangents,
> and I dislike vocals in general. Even the choral parts are boring.
>
> I yet have to test the Dream Mixes style to see if I like that. Well, TT
> vol.15-16 should be enough of a testbed.
>
> John Vertical
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From:
'simonfay2001'
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 12:30
am
Subject: Klaus Krieger/Kruger, Steve Jolliffe/Joliffe, Black Lung
Heiko asked about KK's 'One is One' recently - anyone able to supply
info on what kind of bag this record is in? And why is the 'Cyclone'
drummer's name rendered so differently in different places? Surely an
umlaut over the 'u' in Kruger doesn't force a pronunciation of the
vowel as 'ie'?
Have got the gorgeous 'Journeys Out Of The Body' and the watery
drippy 'Japanese Butterfly' by 'Cyclone'-wizard Steve J - has he done
anything else worth crossing the road for?
Anyone here familiar with Australian synth act Black Lung and able
to recommend?
thanks
SF (enduring a forced diet of BBC Radio 2, Jean Michel Jarre & The
Macc Lads in heavy rotation)
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From:
'Herbert'
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 12:41
am
Subject: AW: [tadream] Klaus Krieger/Kruger, Steve Jolliffe/Joliffe, Black Lung
> Have got the gorgeous 'Journeys Out Of The Body' and the watery
> drippy 'Japanese Butterfly' by 'Cyclone'-wizard Steve J - has he done
> anything else worth crossing the road for?
>
My favourite Steve J's one is Zanzi.
Herbert
From:
ampmusic
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 2:12
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1439
>
> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:36:04 -0500
> From: 'Owens, James'
> RE: The Stone
>
> I'm starting to guess that this is a reference to the 'adamant stone' or the
> 'adamas stone' as cited in the 'Aberdeen Bestiary', an ancient text...
>
> James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...]
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:53 AM
> To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: [tadream] RE: The Stone
>
> Here's what I got:
>
> The Stone is found
> Which is sustained with bile
> from which is grown
> a fire volatile
>
> When all the ?lovable?
> Stone itself is made
>
> But there is a white and great
> and narrow faith
>
> It's called the Stone,
> and yet is no stone
> And in that Stone
> There Nature works around
>
> Apart from that the ?may sticks?
> sometimes flow
>
> Is Wisdom rather a _______ also? (also) (also)
>
> http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/The Stone.mp3
> http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/albums.html
That's interesting stuff, but the actual content is more about alchemy than
religion (though I know there are links, mostly symbolic, between the two
subjects).
Anyway, closest person to the actual words gets the first copy off the presses
of the new Harald Grosskopf CD, which is nothing to do with either subject, but
everything to do with big piles of synthesizers and drum machines :-)
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 4:42
am
Subject: OT: signs
my son is browsing through the 'Signs' website - the movie 'Signs' with Mel
Gibson. the music for the site just started, and caught my attention, and I
look over and it is Paul Oakenfold, and also on the movie is The Crystal
Method. thought you guys would be interested to know. when a movie has a
cool music selection, that usually indicates to me that the producers have
put some effort into it, and it makes the movie so much better. (haha- even
a bad movie like 'The Soldier', right, Morgan? ;-) I think this idea really
sunk into me when I saw the awesome movie 'Pi' (the greek letter, a movie by
Darren Aronofsky (sp?), then The Matrix (which will of course, go down in
history as one of the greatest movie series of all time, with kick-ass music
to boot).
anyhoow...
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From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 5:51
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Krieger/Kruger, Steve Jolliffe/Joliffe, Black Lung
You must get 'Zanzi'. It's a classic! 'Omni' is pretty good too. I agree
with you about 'Journeys Out of the Body'. It's an amazing album.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'simonfay2001'
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 12:30 PM
Subject: [tadream] Klaus Krieger/Kruger, Steve Jolliffe/Joliffe, Black Lung
> Heiko asked about KK's 'One is One' recently - anyone able to supply
> info on what kind of bag this record is in? And why is the 'Cyclone'
> drummer's name rendered so differently in different places? Surely an
> umlaut over the 'u' in Kruger doesn't force a pronunciation of the
> vowel as 'ie'?
>
> Have got the gorgeous 'Journeys Out Of The Body' and the watery
> drippy 'Japanese Butterfly' by 'Cyclone'-wizard Steve J - has he done
> anything else worth crossing the road for?
>
> Anyone here familiar with Australian synth act Black Lung and able
> to recommend?
>
> thanks
>
> SF (enduring a forced diet of BBC Radio 2, Jean Michel Jarre & The
> Macc Lads in heavy rotation)
>
>
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 10:12
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Beatle's Quote & Warsaw
>I hear it too!! Fantastic spot Ivan! The notes played at 11.48 reminded me
>of it especially. Tribute or co-incidence?
>
>Also, has anyone ever noticed that the tom-tom pattern from Going West can
>be heard very low in the mix during certain parts of Warsaw In The Sun?
>
>- Chris
Which version of WitS? 7', 12' pt1 or 12' pt2?
Anyways, Polish Dance has a reappearing sequence too... the drums from Kiew
Mission / Choronzon. I guess some of you already have spotted this though,
it's easy to hear that.
John Vertical
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From:
'Greg'
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 12:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: signs
> I think this idea really
> sunk into me when I saw the awesome movie 'Pi' (the greek letter, a movie
by
> Darren Aronofsky (sp)
> anyhoow...
Pi, the best movie I have ever seen, and the soundtrack which I bought is
good as well!
Greg H.
From:
DAVKAUFMAN@a...
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 12:33
pm
Subject: Steve Jolliffe
It might interest some of you to know that 'Zanzi' was chosen by the American
radio program 'Musical Starstreams' as one of its Top Ten albums of 1996.
Sincerely,
Dave Kaufman
Horizon Music, Inc.
www.hmnetwork.com
>
> > Have got the gorgeous 'Journeys Out Of The Body' and the watery
> > drippy 'Japanese Butterfly' by 'Cyclone'-wizard Steve J - has he done
> > anything else worth crossing the road for?
> >
> My favourite Steve J's one is Zanzi.
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 1:43
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI Releases # 23,24,25
From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak [mailto:manager@t...]
>23, 24 and 25 were reserved for the reissues of the Private Music
Releases (Optical, Lily, Melrose) in the database of our distributor.
For economic reasons ( the market was still flooded with budget price
copies of the first issues), we decided to postpone the rerelease
indefinitely until they would be suffieciently long off the market to
create a new demand. We have left the numbers reserved in the database
as we do plan to rerelease those albums sometime in the future.
Martin:
Was Miracle Mile also going to be included eventually? That was also a
Private release (but since Hemdale went away, I'm sure the Lawyer-factor
is pretty high on that one).
- jim
From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 10:17
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Beatle's Quote & Warsaw
Hi John,
It's the version which appears as part of Barbakane on Poland. I'm listening
to it now. If you listen at 11.46, when Warsaw In The Sun goes into that
chorus with the ascending notes, you can clearly hear the toms from Going
West fade in for a short while! They aren't central in the stereo field, so
you'll hear them much better in one speaker than the other, and they sound
higher in pitch than on Flashpoint. You can hear them again at 13.22 when
the track is coming to a close.
They can also be heard during the version of Warsaw In The Sun on Valentine
Wheels, from 2.12 in the same passage of the song, again slightly to one
side in the stereo field, but oddly on the opposite side of the field (other
speaker) to the version on Poland.
- Chris
> Which version of WitS? 7', 12' pt1 or 12' pt2?
>
> Anyways, Polish Dance has a reappearing sequence too... the drums from
Kiew
> Mission / Choronzon. I guess some of you already have spotted this though,
> it's easy to hear that.
>
> John Vertical
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 4:59
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #280
[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
Show #280 August 1, 2002.
RECAP:
On this show, I started a month-long focus on Hemisphere, a band from Germany
known for dark electronic ambient excursions. The Featured CD at midnight was
'Intruders' on the Groove label.
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Angst' by Klaus Schulze on the Inteam label.
Hemisphere http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#aug
PLAYLIST:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Klaus Schulze Freeze Angst (Inteam)
Bjorn Lynne Hyperdrive Stimuli Colony (none)
Ricochet Musos Wildlife at Okefenokee Okefenokee Dreams 2001 (Neu
Harmony and Groove)
Robert Rich and Methane Outpost (DiN)
Ian Boddy
VA [Bionaut] Astral Unraveller The Gatherings (Synkronos)
Interstitial Refraction Temporal Arc (Red Antenna)
Matt Borghi The First Rays of This Elegy for Time (Space for
Forever's Light Music)
12:00 am
Hemisphere Intro Intruders (Groove)
Hemisphere Solitary Life Intruders (Groove)
Hemisphere Intruders Intruders (Groove)
Hemisphere Fearless Intruders (Groove)
Hemisphere Interllectual Freedom Intruders (Groove)
Hemisphere Human Victims Intruders (Groove)
Hemisphere Invaders from the True Intruders (Groove)
World
Hemisphere Dark Passion Intruders (Groove)
1:00 am
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Hemisphere. The
Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Liquid Mirror' on the Groove label.
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Romance 76' by Peter Baumann on the
Virgin label.
From:
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 6:10
pm
Subject: Sony Center on auction
Hello all,
I have the rare CD: SONY CENTER on ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=897545741&rd=1
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
heiko@o...
www.tribute-to-ashra.de
www.opticaldream.de
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From:
Michael W Daniels
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 9:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] At Darwin's Motel lyrics mystery revealed
At 12:06 PM 8/2/2002 +0300, you wrote:
>Indeed, you're revelaing the mystery a 2nd time. But how can the solution be
>different? We already got a proof it's Mongolese...
>see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/message/33387
Sanskrit used to be spoken/used in Mongolia, especially as a religious
language. So it makes sense that a Mongolian person/group could be singing
Sanskrit -- it's not that different from an American group/person singing
in Latin.
--
Michael W. Daniels | 'The thunder was ominous-sounding, much
daniels@l... | like the sound of a thin sheet of metal
Department of Linguistics | being shaken backstage during the storm
218 Oxley Hall | scene in a play.'
From:
Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 10:09
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Dark Side of the Moog
Jonathan Holt wrote:
> I hve the first DSOM - it is very wonderful. The only
> complaint (if it is a complaint) is that some of the
> track breaks seem almost random...
Some of them? How about all of them. I think they only put them
in so that one could use the track skip button to sort of fast
forward. Notice they are all pretty much every 5 minutes (IIRC).
PS Yes, another huge DSOTM fan here...I have them all _and_ the
compilation...been a subscriber to Fax for years...I is still my
favourite...
--
I remain,
:-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 11:06
pm
Subject: TT2: SHN Guide
I hope this will be of some use for those who will be copying SHN sets of
the Tangerine Tree over the coming months:
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/shnguide/
I'm open to suggestions on improving it.
-Morgan
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 4:17
am
Subject: Tree 2 FTP
Other than Mark, Micke and Jim, was there anyone else needing access?
I am gettting it ready right now. Since this is on DSL right now, 1 at a
time. The bandwidth just isn't there for more than one at a time.
Later this month, it switches to a T1 type.
Also, what do you think about rar'ing the shns into many at 10 meg each?
Might be easier to download and recover? This will take some time as I
tested one already (vol9) told me come back and see 3 hours later. That was
just to rar it into10 meg chunks.
dale
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 8:36
am
Subject: SHN Downloading
re: breaking the SHNs into rar files.
The only reason to break the SHNs into rar files is if people are having
trouble with the resume feature in their FTP software. It's probably easier
to just ask them to get CuteFTP rather than spend a lot of time breaking up
the files.
-Morgan
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From:
'Robert Asmus'
Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 12:23
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] SHN Downloading
Another good ftp program is SmartFTP. It is free and you can get it
from www.smartftp.com. It allows you to que multiple items
Robert Asmus
-----Original Message-----
From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...]
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 4:37 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] SHN Downloading
re: breaking the SHNs into rar files.
The only reason to break the SHNs into rar files is if people are having
trouble with the resume feature in their FTP software. It's probably
easier
to just ask them to get CuteFTP rather than spend a lot of time breaking
up
the files.
-Morgan
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 4:24
pm
Subject: VA
Bill, speaking of VA, I saw a boxed set the other night of a trilogy... I
think Mirage was one of the albums in it. Is that a good set of albums to
start with as a first intro to VA?
In a message dated 8/3/2002 6:26:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:59:35 -0400
> From: 'Bill Fox'
> Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #280
>
> [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]
>
> EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each
> Thursday
> at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in
> Easton,
> PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
>
> Show #280 August 1, 2002.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 4:24
pm
Subject: signs
I think the main score is by James Newton Howard, whose work I like. He did
the Wyeth Earp soundtrack which I like very much. I was looking at the cd
last night, but I didn't pick it up yet though.
In a message dated 8/3/2002 6:26:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 00:42:06 -0400
> From: Joe Shoults
> Subject: OT: signs
>
> my son is browsing through the 'Signs' website - the movie 'Signs' with Mel
> Gibson. the music for the site just started, and caught my attention, and I
> look over and it is Paul Oakenfold, and also on the movie is The Crystal
> Method. thought you guys would be interested to know. when a movie has a
> cool music selection, that usually indicates to me that the producers have
> put some effort into it, and it makes the movie so much better. (haha- even
> a bad movie like 'The Soldier', right, Morgan? ;-) I think this idea really
> sunk into me when I saw the awesome movie 'Pi' (the greek letter, a movie by
> Darren Aronofsky (sp?), then The Matrix (which will of course, go down in
> history as one of the greatest movie series of all time, with kick-ass music
> to boot).
>
> anyhoow...
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From:
'Herbert'
Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 4:34
pm
Subject: AW: [tadream] SHN Downloading
I wouldn't expect much problems with resumes doing downloads.
There are several nice ftp clients available that do support resumes (see
also filezilla at http://sourceforge.net/projects/filezilla/ ).
The main problem is on uploads to 'servers', which mostly don't allow
overwrites or resumes.
Herbert
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Robert Asmus [mailto:asmus0324@c...]
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 4. August 2002 14:23
> An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: RE: [tadream] SHN Downloading
>
>
> Another good ftp program is SmartFTP. It is free and you can get it
> >from www.smartftp.com. It allows you to que multiple items
>
> Robert Asmus
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 4:37 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tadream] SHN Downloading
>
> re: breaking the SHNs into rar files.
>
> The only reason to break the SHNs into rar files is if people
> are having
>
> trouble with the resume feature in their FTP software. It's probably
> easier
> to just ask them to get CuteFTP rather than spend a lot of
> time breaking
> up
> the files.
>
> -Morgan
>
>
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 4:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] signs
It was good. The hostiles took over long ago however.
(ôö)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 9:24 AM
Subject: [tadream] signs
> I think the main score is by James Newton Howard, whose work I like. He
did
> the Wyeth Earp soundtrack which I like very much. I was looking at the cd
> last night, but I didn't pick it up yet though.
>
> In a message dated 8/3/2002 6:26:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
> tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
>
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 00:42:06 -0400
> > From: Joe Shoults
> > Subject: OT: signs
> >
> > my son is browsing through the 'Signs' website - the movie 'Signs' with
Mel
> > Gibson. the music for the site just started, and caught my attention,
and I
> > look over and it is Paul Oakenfold, and also on the movie is The Crystal
> > Method. thought you guys would be interested to know. when a movie has
a
> > cool music selection, that usually indicates to me that the producers
have
> > put some effort into it, and it makes the movie so much better. (haha-
even
> > a bad movie like 'The Soldier', right, Morgan? ;-) I think this idea
really
> > sunk into me when I saw the awesome movie 'Pi' (the greek letter, a
movie by
> > Darren Aronofsky (sp?), then The Matrix (which will of course, go down
in
> > history as one of the greatest movie series of all time, with kick-ass
music
> > to boot).
> >
> > anyhoow...
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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>
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>
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>
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 4:33
pm
Subject: SmartFTP
Hopefully I can save some people the agony of using SmartFTP.
It's a nightmare (to me). Back to CuteFTP until someone improves upon it.
If only the queing in CuteFTP weren't impossible to use.
-Morgan
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 4:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] SmartFTP
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
> Hopefully I can save some people the agony of using SmartFTP.
>
> It's a nightmare (to me). Back to CuteFTP until someone improves upon it.
> If only the queing in CuteFTP weren't impossible to use.
I've found the queueing in CuteFTP Pro to be a soul destroying nightmare,
and CuteFTP regular version 5 has a tendency to bomb out on Win2K without
even offering up an error message, but CuteFTP v4 is pretty good.
Maff
From:
René Brenner
Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 6:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] test
On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 09:16:22 +0100, Nick Adams wrote:
> just testing, please ignore!
>
> Nick
test from me, sorry!
From:
'paul'
Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 7:10
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] At Darwin's Motel lyrics mystery revealed
Not sure if the sample has already been identified but its from 'Hearts of
Asia' by Spectrasonics .No idea about the sources Enigma have listed ?
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Michael W Daniels'
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] At Darwin's Motel lyrics mystery revealed
> At 12:06 PM 8/2/2002 +0300, you wrote:
> >Indeed, you're revelaing the mystery a 2nd time. But how can the solution
be
> >different? We already got a proof it's Mongolese...
> >see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/message/33387
>
> Sanskrit used to be spoken/used in Mongolia, especially as a religious
> language. So it makes sense that a Mongolian person/group could be singing
> Sanskrit -- it's not that different from an American group/person singing
> in Latin.
>
> --
> Michael W. Daniels | 'The thunder was ominous-sounding, much
> daniels@l... | like the sound of a thin sheet of metal
> Department of Linguistics | being shaken backstage during the storm
> 218 Oxley Hall | scene in a play.'
>
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
'Herbert'
Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 9:57
pm
Subject: AW: [tadream] Sony Center on auction
Hi,
I assume you're posting this, because there will be a rebate for the members
of this discussion group. ;-)
What will it be?
Herbert
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: heiko@o... [mailto:heiko@o...]
> Gesendet: Samstag, 3. August 2002 20:11
> An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com; ElectronicMusic@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [tadream] Sony Center on auction
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I have the rare CD: SONY CENTER on ebay auction:
> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=897545741&rd=1
>
> Regards
> heiko - Mr. Optical
> heiko@o...
> www.tribute-to-ashra.de
> www.opticaldream.de
>
> FREE ASHRA NEWSLETTER subcribe here:
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From:
rbrown4856@a...
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 12:45
am
Subject: OT:Bjorn Lynne
Greetings All!
I know this is not about TD but I just had to let you know about this
gentleman named Bjorn Lynne.I recently picked up his new CD Colony at a used
CD shop.This guy sounds incredibly like TD.I think everyone on this list
would enjoy his work.
He also has done music for video games.Colony reminds me alot of Mars
Polaris.If you get an oppurtunity check him out.
Rick
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From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 7:01
am
Subject: Re: Evolution of the Tangs
Dennis talking about the link with art reminded me of something that I like
from the early years that you don't hear (or at least I don't) in the more
recent releases. What I miss is the 'notes from the real world'. Examples?
The pouring water on 'Aqua', the distant sheep on '3 a.m. at the
borders....', the seagulls on 'Cliffs of Sydney' - there are many more.
Nowadays, it seems to me, the references come only from musical sources -
hints of other musical cultures, for example.
What this means, for me, is that I can't lie back and make pictures in my
head as I listen to the music any more. With 'old' TD (particularly late
70's), I can get as high as a kite without the aid of artificial stimulants
(legal or otherwise). With 'new' TD, I just enjoy the music.
What has this to do with art? Well, compare Dali and Pollock. Dali takes
objects from the 'real world' - clockfaces, human forms, lobsters - puts
them in a new context, deforms them, subverts them. It's powerful and
disturbing (IMHO) _because_ of its links to the familiar. Pollock's work, I
think, refers only to itself: what is important is _how_ it was made.
(Apologies for all the IMHOs and and other qualifiers - I am neither a
musician nor an artist, and feel myself to be on somewhat shaky ground here!)
This is not to say I don't like the more recent material. But I do miss
that old distant sheep.
LnH
Marion
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From:
René Brenner
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 8:29
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Sony Center on auction
On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 23:57:35 +0200, Herbert wrote:
> Hi,
> I assume you're posting this, because there will be a rebate for the members
> of this discussion group. ;-)
> What will it be?
>
> Herbert
Not really... compare the 2 auctions and look for the seller/buyer ;-)
> > I have the rare CD: SONY CENTER on ebay auction:
> > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=897545741&rd=1
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=894390361
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 11:44
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Evolution of the Tangs
>From: Marion Horrod [mailto:marion@h...]
>This is not to say I don't like the more recent material. But I do miss
that old distant sheep.
Careful: That last phrase has a completely different meaning here in
the South...
- jim
From:
'Matthew Stringer'
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 1:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT:Bjorn Lynne
BL = Dude, very cool guy, I think he's very much his own style and not just
another TD clone.
Matt
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 1:45 AM
Subject: [tadream] OT:Bjorn Lynne
> Greetings All!
>
> I know this is not about TD but I just had to let you know about this
> gentleman named Bjorn Lynne.I recently picked up his new CD Colony at a
used
> CD shop.This guy sounds incredibly like TD.I think everyone on this list
> would enjoy his work.
> He also has done music for video games.Colony reminds me alot of Mars
> Polaris.If you get an oppurtunity check him out.
>
> Rick
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 1:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT:Bjorn Lynne
> BL = Dude, very cool guy, I think he's very much his own style and not just
> another TD clone.
'Wolves of the gods' is great, excellent 'prog rock' (although it has
absolutely nothing to do with TD's style)
heiko
From:
'heineu'
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 1:27
pm
Subject: Re: Sony Center on auction
Hello Rene,
do you have an problem with this ?
I think the item is rare and the price on ebay.de was very good for
an sale. And this is an resale no more.
Heiko
--- In tadream@y..., René Brenner wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 23:57:35 +0200, Herbert wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I assume you're posting this, because there will be a rebate for
the members
> > of this discussion group. ;-)
> > What will it be?
> >
> > Herbert
>
> Not really... compare the 2 auctions and look for the
seller/buyer ;-)
>
> > > I have the rare CD: SONY CENTER on ebay auction:
> > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=897545741&rd=1
>
> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=894390361
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 3:07
pm
Subject: VO not VA
I made a mistake in my query the other night... I meant VO - Vidma Obmana. Saw
a boxed set of three albums at a very reasonable price. I think 'Mirage' was
one of the albums in the set - it was listed as a trilogy.
Worth getting?
From:
'Pete Dandy'
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 6:45
pm
Subject: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese
Whilst listening to Edgar's early solo albums this weekend for the first
time, I found myself dumbfounded as to how the same person who wrote
'Pinnacles' was the same person who wrote the new(ish) tracks from 'Beyond
the Storm', and writes for TD today .
Why ? because it sounded like TD in the glory days, but without the other
guys who I always thought were responsible for the bulk of the TD trademark
sound .I`m not a great a fan of Edgar's later solo work , and I think its
struck me what's going on .
The majority of Edgar's early tracks were all based around a single root
chord .All of the sequence lines and melody structures etc all around this
one point (excuse my lack of musical terminology)and it really works ! But
it seems that he tries to get more and more adventurous as he gets older,
with complex (in comparison with the early stuff) chord structures and
melodies etc and I don't think he pulls it off (so to speak :) )
Now Edgar is a sculpture and an artist , but is he a musician ?
Sure he once had unparalleled musical vision along with his colleagues , but
I don't think his musicality stretches as far as he imagines it does .
'Inferno' is a grand project idea which I really don't feel came off at all
for TD (my opinion of course) and I often feel that TDs ideas and thoughts
are of far greater interest than the musical results .
Now of course nobody expects an artist to reel out the same old stuff time
and again , and everybody has there own personal tastes .So before I get
flamed off the list I would like to point out that I`m just sharing my
opinion .
I would be interested in other peoples views on this .
Pete
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 6:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese
Well, (deep hole typically in the ground) does using more than one chord
make one a musician? Or being crafty enough to do so?
Would you think one hit wonders along the same lines as one chord users?
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Pete Dandy'
To:
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 11:45 AM
Subject: [tadream] The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese
> The majority of Edgar's early tracks were all based around a single root
> chord .All of the sequence lines and melody structures etc all around this
> one point (excuse my lack of musical terminology)and it really works ! But
> it seems that he tries to get more and more adventurous as he gets older,
> with complex (in comparison with the early stuff) chord structures and
> melodies etc and I don't think he pulls it off (so to speak :) )
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 6:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese
Adding more fuel on the fire...
I think when folks get together to make music, it is different than a solo.
When a group gets together, the sound normally is going to be different,
different thought, different styles and so forth. The combination is the
key. When you go solo, a rare treat happens, in some cases anyway. You get
to see what each brought to the table. While it is known that, in most case
again, when you are in a groups, your problem areas are sometimes taken care
of by other members. If you are wise, you learn. If you are wise, you learn
anyway with time. You grow.
Just the ranting of a mad man...
dale
From:
scfeldman@j...
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 7:30
pm
Subject: SIGNS
On Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:24:46 EDT Liondream@a... writes:
> think the main score is by James Newton Howard, whose
>work I like.
Yeah, that's the name of the guy who did the music. The
movie was sort of feeble (I've read about 25 books about UFOs,
with about 15 of them specifically about alien abduction, so I
was expecting much more depth in the metaphysico-spiritual
vein,) but the music was very good. At times, it mimicked
some of the themes from PSYCHO and THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD
STILL, as well as Mike Oldfield's famous chord progression
from TUBULAR BELLS/THE EXORCIST, but most of the time, the
music was very much like that of Tangerine Dream -- mostly
of the organic, contemplative sort, like that heard in
RUMPELSTILTSKIN and DEADLY CARE, but also brings to mind
music from FIRESTARTER.
Oh, and for anyone who wants to look into the link between
UFOs, aliens, metaphysics, and Christianity, the best places to
look would be in the following:
Downing, Barry H. The Bible and Flying Saucers. New York: J.B.
Lippincott Co., 1968.
________. The Bible & Flying Saucers. New York: Avon Books,
1968.
Fowler, Raymond E. The Andreasson Affair. Mill Spring, NC: Wild
Flower Press, 1994 reprint.
________. The Andreasson Affair-Phase Two. Mill Spring, NC:
Wild Flower Press, 1994 reprint.
________. The Watchers: The Secret Design Behind UFO Abduction.
New York: Bantam, 1990. [The Andreasson Affair Phase Three]
________. The Watchers II: Exploring UFOs and the Near-Death
Experience. Mill Spring, NC: Wild Flower Press, 1995. [The
Andreasson Affair Phase Four]
________. The Andreasson Legacy. NY: Marlowe and Company, 1997.
[The Andreasson Affair Phase Five]
Lewels, Joe. The God Hypothesis: Extraterrestrial Life and Its
Implications for Science and Religion. Mill Spring, NC:
Wild Flower Press, 1997.
-- Steven Feldman
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 8:41
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese
I agree... basically what you need is creativity; look at 'In C' by Steve Reich
in something like 1965 for example...
>Well, (deep hole typically in the ground) does using more than one chord
>make one a musician? Or being crafty enough to do so?
>
>Would you think one hit wonders along the same lines as one chord users?
>
>;-)
>dale
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 8:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese
I think Pete was saying that Eds early 'one chord' stuff was good wasn`t he
?
and that his later stuff has surpassed his musical ability . So in this case
'using more than one chord' would not make a musician would it ?
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Gustavo Jobim'
To:
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese
> I agree... basically what you need is creativity; look at 'In C' by Steve
Reich in something like 1965 for example...
>
> >Well, (deep hole typically in the ground) does using more than one chord
> >make one a musician? Or being crafty enough to do so?
> >
> >Would you think one hit wonders along the same lines as one chord users?
> >
> >;-)
> >dale
>
>
> Gustavo Jobim
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From:
DAVKAUFMAN@a...
Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 2:53
am
Subject: Re: OT:Bjorn Lynne
I also like 1995's 'Dreamstate' CD.
Cheers,
Dave Kaufman
> Greetings All!
>
> I know this is not about TD but I just had to let you know about this
> gentleman named Bjorn Lynne.I recently picked up his new CD Colony at a
> used
> CD shop.This guy sounds incredibly like TD.I think everyone on this list
> would enjoy his work.
> He also has done music for video games.Colony reminds me alot of Mars
> Polaris.If you get an oppurtunity check him out.
>
> Rick
>
>
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 4:31
am
Subject: ambient soundz
Marion, I think this is an interesting observation. About the only thing I
can think of is the horse and carriage from Pictures at an Exhibition.
In a message dated 8/5/2002 7:39:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 08:01:09 +0100
> From: Marion Horrod
> Subject: Re: Evolution of the Tangs
>
> Dennis talking about the link with art reminded me of something that I like
> from the early years that you don't hear (or at least I don't) in the more
> recent releases. What I miss is the 'notes from the real world'. Examples?
> The pouring water on 'Aqua', the distant sheep on '3 a.m. at the
> borders....', the seagulls on 'Cliffs of Sydney' - there are many more.
> Nowadays, it seems to me, the references come only from musical sources -
> hints of other musical cultures, for example.
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From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 9:54
am
Subject: Distant sheep
Jim said <>
I suspect it's similar to the meaning in Wales! (Why do Welshmen get
married? 'cos sheep can't cook.)
LnH
Marion
From:
thomas.soucheleau@n...
Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 10:08
am
Subject: Tr: [tadream] ambient soundz
For me, it's more a question of sonic diversity than gadget sounds.
Some tracks rely too much on the same synths or sound modules and sometimes
have some kind of 'plastic sound'.
It can be interesting sometimes like on rockoon but it seems that the sounds
giving the pieces a bit of extra soul have to be found in the commercial
samples they use on the dream mixes tracks for example.
Thomas.
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>Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:31:40 EDT
>Sujet: [tadream] ambient soundz
>
>Marion, I think this is an interesting observation. About the only thing I
>can think of is the horse and carriage from Pictures at an Exhibition.
>
>In a message dated 8/5/2002 7:39:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
>tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 08:01:09 +0100
>> From: Marion Horrod
>> Subject: Re: Evolution of the Tangs
>>
>> Dennis talking about the link with art reminded me of something that I like
>> from the early years that you don't hear (or at least I don't) in the more
>> recent releases. What I miss is the 'notes from the real world'. Examples?
>> The pouring water on 'Aqua', the distant sheep on '3 a.m. at the
>> borders....', the seagulls on 'Cliffs of Sydney' - there are many more.
>> Nowadays, it seems to me, the references come only from musical sources -
>> hints of other musical cultures, for example.
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 10:13
am
Subject: [tadream] Goblins Club
--- John Vertical wrote:
> John Vertical
> np: Sad Merlin's Sunday - IMHO this is the best they
> have done within the
> last 10 years. Or perhaps the guitar solo of
> Homeless? Whatever.
The best tracks from Goblins Club are Cranes' Passage
and Elf June and the midnight patrol (I don't have the
album with me so if those titles are wrong, please
excuse me). The latter is One Of The Best Tracks From
90's! In the credits Linda Spa's name is first, so
that would suggest that she has composed at least 60%
of Elf June. Has she done any solo albums?
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 12:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: OT:Bjorn Lynne
For more pure electronic space music from Bjorn, try to find the mostly
unavailable Hobbits & Spaceships, which he released under the name Dr
Awesome.
Glenn
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 12:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Goblins Club
I wonder what Linda is doing nowadays...
A web search won't tell you anything.
armion
Marko Marin wrote:
> --- John Vertical wrote:
>
>>John Vertical
>>np: Sad Merlin's Sunday - IMHO this is the best they
>>have done within the
>>last 10 years. Or perhaps the guitar solo of
>>Homeless? Whatever.
>>
>
> The best tracks from Goblins Club are Cranes' Passage
> and Elf June and the midnight patrol (I don't have the
> album with me so if those titles are wrong, please
> excuse me). The latter is One Of The Best Tracks From
> 90's! In the credits Linda Spa's name is first, so
> that would suggest that she has composed at least 60%
> of Elf June. Has she done any solo albums?
>
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Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist
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From:
'Pete Dandy'
Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 3:38
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1442
Hi
>
>Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:52:15 -0700
> From: 'Administrator'
>Subject: Re: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese
>
>Well, (deep hole typically in the ground) does using more than one chord
>make one a musician?
No , ideas and creativity make a musician , doesn't matter how many chords
they use providing they know what they are doing .
>Or being crafty enough to do so?
eh ? don't understand this bit ????
>
>Would you think one hit wonders along the same lines as one chord users?
Not really .I think you misunderstood my point .I enjoyed Edgar's work when
he based it all around the root chord .My problem with his later music is
that I don't feel his ability as a musician matches his ideas .
In plain speaking terms , I feel his later work is like that of intermediate
keyboard player trying to be a concert pianist .
regards
Pete
>
>;-)
>
>dale
>
>
>
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 4:00
pm
Subject: 'In C' by Steve Reich
>'In C' by Steve Reich
in something like 1965 for example...
hmm, is this a terry riley cover?
:)
--T (reading the digest)
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From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 4:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] ambient soundz
Let's not forget Goblin's Club: the neighing, snorting horse in 'Rising Haul
in Silence' and the yowling cat in 'Lamb with Radar Eyes'. All of the songs
on this album bring very vivid story pictures to my mind. In fact, you
should read that terrific poem by Nigel (I think?) written for 'Elf June'.
If you're interested, contact me off list and I'll see if I can dig it out
of a floppy somewhere. I find no lack of visions in many of the later
releases, but that's just me.
8-Dell
All IMO of course
NP: Transsiberia: my lack of vision here is simply inexperience with the
region
>From: Liondream@a...
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [tadream] ambient soundz
>Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:31:40 EDT
>
>Marion, I think this is an interesting observation. About the only thing I
>can think of is the horse and carriage from Pictures at an Exhibition.
>
>In a message dated 8/5/2002 7:39:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
>tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
>
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 08:01:09 +0100
> > From: Marion Horrod
> > Subject: Re: Evolution of the Tangs
> >
> > Dennis talking about the link with art reminded me of something that I
>like
> > from the early years that you don't hear (or at least I don't) in the
>more
> > recent releases. What I miss is the 'notes from the real world'.
>Examples?
> > The pouring water on 'Aqua', the distant sheep on '3 a.m. at the
> > borders....', the seagulls on 'Cliffs of Sydney' - there are many more.
> > Nowadays, it seems to me, the references come only from musical sources
>-
> > hints of other musical cultures, for example.
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 1:37
am
Subject: Re: 'In C' by Steve Reich
I said:
>>'In C' by Steve Reich
> in something like 1965 for example...
then tei waz said:
> hmm, is this a terry riley cover?
>
> :)
oh well, they all sound the same anyway ;)
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
p.s. just a joke... that's one of my favourite kinds of music and I respect
those guys a lot for their inventions.
np. Radiohead 'live recordings' (True Love Waits)
From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 3:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese
These are good and valid points Pete. It seems to me like Edgar always
appeared to contribute more to the lyrical side of TD's music (as exhibited
with differing degrees of success in his solo work), with Chris Franke
providing the technical/rhythmical/percussion expertise, with the third
member perhaps falling somewhere in between.
I feel that if TD's music lacks one vital ingredient nowadays, it is a sense
of mystery and danger in the actual sounds they use, and maybe Edgar's solo
material suffers most because of this. There was a sense of wonderment with
the old analogue gear in that the sounds had such remarkable depth and
timbre. This has all gone now, and so what TD must rely on instead is acyual
composition, and I guess any artist only has a finite level of creativty in
this sense, resulting in some fairly ordinary and uninspiring pieces over
the last 10 years (as well as many wonderful tracks I might add).
Back in the mid 70's synths were 'new' (so to speak) and audiences were
blown away by the scope and scale of their sound. It opened up whole new
worlds. But we are used to the view now, and need to be impressed by other
things, namely the quality of the songs themselves. TD have really delivered
time and again with some quite marvellous pieces throughout their career,
but these days they appear to have to rely more and more on song writing
skills, and I am slowly beginning to believe the well might be drying up at
long last (I sincerely hope I am proved wrong, please prove me wrong
Edgar!). Edgar and Jerome have been writing together now for over 10 years,
with only minor contributions from Linda Spa to assit in the writing
process. I would personally like to see new blood in the TD ranks. After
all, it is Edgar's philosophy that the constant evolution of TD's musc is
derived from the creative state of mind of the members who pass through it's
ranks. And not too many people have passed through those ranks in the last
decade, a fact that can be born out by judging just how much TD's music
evolved from 1982 to 1992 (a massive amount), and from 1992 to 2002 (not a
great deal if you examine the progression of releases, despite many great
tracks).
After the Inferno project, I feel TD need to evolve again, and progress into
a new era. Edgar promised this exact thing about 5 years ago. I hope he's
just been postponing this progression in TD's history rather than cancelling
it altogether.
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete Dandy
To:
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 11:45 AM
Subject: [tadream] The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese
> Whilst listening to Edgar's early solo albums this weekend for the first
> time, I found myself dumbfounded as to how the same person who wrote
> 'Pinnacles' was the same person who wrote the new(ish) tracks from 'Beyond
> the Storm', and writes for TD today .
>
> Why ? because it sounded like TD in the glory days, but without the other
> guys who I always thought were responsible for the bulk of the TD
trademark
> sound .I`m not a great a fan of Edgar's later solo work , and I think its
> struck me what's going on .
>
> The majority of Edgar's early tracks were all based around a single root
> chord .All of the sequence lines and melody structures etc all around this
> one point (excuse my lack of musical terminology)and it really works ! But
> it seems that he tries to get more and more adventurous as he gets older,
> with complex (in comparison with the early stuff) chord structures and
> melodies etc and I don't think he pulls it off (so to speak :) )
>
> Now Edgar is a sculpture and an artist , but is he a musician ?
> Sure he once had unparalleled musical vision along with his colleagues ,
but
> I don't think his musicality stretches as far as he imagines it does .
> 'Inferno' is a grand project idea which I really don't feel came off at
all
> for TD (my opinion of course) and I often feel that TDs ideas and thoughts
> are of far greater interest than the musical results .
>
> Now of course nobody expects an artist to reel out the same old stuff time
> and again , and everybody has there own personal tastes .So before I get
> flamed off the list I would like to point out that I`m just sharing my
> opinion .
>
> I would be interested in other peoples views on this .
>
> Pete
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From:
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Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 7:26
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese
>Back in the mid 70's synths were 'new' (so to speak) and audiences were
>blown away by the scope and scale of their sound. It opened up whole new
>worlds. But we are used to the view now, and need to be impressed by other
>things, namely the quality of the songs themselves.
Not a bad statement, but it has one problem: if we're so used to the old
style that TD simply couldn't use it anymore to amaze anyone... then why do
we still like Rubycon & co.? Edgar never intended to specifically amaze
people, he simply wanted to keep trying something new. Both strategies would
produce surreal sounds, but only choice #2 can explain why all the new
recruits were so different from the ones they came to replace.
>I would personally like to see new blood in the TD ranks.
I'll second that. But there's an interesting thing related to this. We TD
fans are usually not pleased with the amount of music they produced in the
80s or the 70s; aluckily, there's enough unreleased live material to fill a
whole forest of Tangerine Trees. But on the 90s, completely unheard material
is rather rare... But now the thematics are being used longer before
progressing onwards, so there's still similar amounts of each style as there
were in the 80s...
Hmm, I think I lost the specific location of my point, but you probably
understand anyway what I mean?
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From:
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Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 9:01
am
Subject: TT2 Database Final!
OK, Folks, the moment we've all been waiting for...
http://www.tadream.net/tree/tt2/tt2-final.pdf
and also at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database..
the idea is to try to turn your disks around in 2 weeks. Still, if
adjustments need to be made I can do them, but this is the structure
we are running with.
1) Look up your supplier
2) contact them to discuss terms of trade
3) when disks are received, update the database.
Thanks for your patience!
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From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 9:10
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese
On 7 Aug 2002 at 10:26, John Vertical wrote:
> Not a bad statement, but it has one problem: if we're so used to the
> old style that TD simply couldn't use it anymore to amaze anyone...
> then why do we still like Rubycon & co.? Edgar never intended to
> specifically amaze people, he simply wanted to keep trying something
> new.
At least one very strong reason why we still like Rubycon, Rocochet
and other offerings is that they are part of the pervasive fan nostalgia
that sooner or later grips any supporter of any long-running act ('I like
X, but I thought their old stuff was sooo much better'). To those among
us who were around in the 70s to hear these albums when they were
fresh and new, they connote the period of youth and experimentation in
the spirit of which they were produced. To those of us who weren't
around to listen to these works when they were new, the 'old stuff'
represents an idealised version of the above, plus the elusive, pure
'root' of TD that we are trying to find by buying each of their records
from the year dot. Also, I suppose a recording with the compositional
style, sonic texture and technical methods of 30 years ago fits in
extremely well with TD's other-worldly ambitions at the time, thus
adding to the appeal of the music.
Today, we are so in awe of this 'old stuff' and the idea that this is
somehow the way 'TD are meant to sound', and so swamped by
inspired disciples and imitators of that sound, that we become
disillusioned with the new records, which combine a different style of
composition with layers of now-familiar sounds (see my previous post),
and the crystal clear but somehow dull recording quality of today.
I'm not claiming that there are no other reasons why people might
prefer 'Rubycon' over 'Mars Polaris'. But I think we should be aware
that this nostalgia has probably got a lot to do with it. We simply can't
expect TD to turn up the 70s again, nor can we even make an informed
claim that the 'old stuff' was more authentic to TD than the recent
output. Both were made in the spirit of the time in which they were
composed and with the technological instrumentarium that was state-
of-the-art in its time. If TD were a new band today, I'm pretty sure they'd
sound a bit like...TD today!
Just my personal view, of course!
Dennis
From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 9:10
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese
On 6 Aug 2002 at 20:47, Chris Owen wrote:
> These are good and valid points Pete. It seems to me like Edgar always
> appeared to contribute more to the lyrical side of TD's music (as
> exhibited with differing degrees of success in his solo work), with
> Chris Franke providing the technical/rhythmical/percussion expertise,
> with the third member perhaps falling somewhere in between.
I know what you mean here, but I don't think we should type-cast the
members of the band too much. Chris may have been responsible for
some of TD's finer sequencing and rhythm moments, but I'm sure the
other members had a good go themselves, and there is some rather
decent rhythmic work after Chris had left. And as for Chris's solo work,
there are similarly moments of wonderful expressiveness, lyricism and
melody, which you can tell seeped into TD's work while he was still
aboard too.
> After the Inferno project, I feel TD need to evolve again, and
> progress into a new era. Edgar promised this exact thing about 5 years
> ago. I hope he's just been postponing this progression in TD's history
> rather than cancelling it altogether.
I think you're right! Inferno seems like the kind of project after which TD
could either retire or start something completely different. Let's see
what happens...
Dennis
From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 9:10
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] ambient soundz
On 6 Aug 2002 at 12:34, Adele Outland wrote:
> list and I'll see if I can dig it out of a floppy somewhere. I find no
> lack of visions in many of the later releases, but that's just me.
> 8-Dell
I'd be inclined to agree, Dell. I'm not a fan of the late Melrose/early
Seattle years, but on a purely intuitive level (struggling to define more
operationally what 'vision' means) I think that 'Turn of the Tides',
'Goblins' Club', 'Oasis', 'Mars Polaris' and 'Seven Letters' are all
visionary, whatever you make of their compositional accomplishment.
I think Marion makes an interesting point, though, about TD's music
becoming more self-referential and less directly evocative of the world
around. Samples of horse whinnying and concepts of Transsibirian
railways aside, my guess is that the gradual move from moody and
experimental chord-playing to more classically composed and notated
music does indeed make the end product more abstract and self-
referential. I'm not at all an expert on this, but an art history student
once told me about an idea of 'musicality' to which some art aspires;
the creation of artistic beauty that is entirely self-referential and not
necessarily representative of any aspect of the imperfect outside world.
I probably got that one completely wrong, though...!
Dennis
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Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 10:10
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Subject: Power Outage
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 5:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT2 Database Final!
>OK, Folks, the moment we've all been waiting for...
I've probably missed something, but what's this color code? I already
determined it's not tree level nor format nor status nor etc. Most but not
all leaves appear to be brown, branches' colors vary seemingly loosely along
tree level. Am I on the right track?
John Vertical
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From:
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Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 6:56
pm
Subject: Tree Colors
Thin type = Does not have discs yet
Bold type = Has their discs
Green = Branch
Brown = Leaf
Red = Already fulfilled their responsibilities
-Morgan
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From:
'Herbert'
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 7:18
pm
Subject: TT2 SHN
Hi,
I've got 2 spare copies of the TT2 SHN distribution, which are starting to
catch cob webs on my desk :))
I'd prefer to send to a region not covered till now by the TT2 disks (if
there is still one),
Please contact me off list.
Herbert.
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From:
'Pete Dandy'
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 7:15
pm
Subject: Digest Number 1443
Hi
see below
>
>Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:47:05 -0700
> From: 'Chris Owen'
>Subject: Re: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese
>
>I feel that if TD's music lacks one vital ingredient nowadays, it is a
>sense
>of mystery and danger in the actual sounds they use, and maybe Edgar's solo
>material suffers most because of this. There was a sense of wonderment with
>the old analogue gear in that the sounds had such remarkable depth and
>timbre. This has all gone now, and so what TD must rely on instead is
>acyual
>composition,
Analogue synthesis was a new and exciting thing back when TD started , but
think of the infinite amounts of new exciting software that's on the market
today. Physical Modeling , Sampling etc . Bands such as FSOL or Orbital etc
don't rely on composition yet they sound exciting and cutting edge with
their use of *modern* technology . TD do not have this excuse as they have
the funds and know-how to have a complete up to date cutting edge studio
.Laziness dare I say is the answer .Comfortable in the fact that people will
buy a CD because of the history of the band name .TD for me seem to lack the
hunger and enthusiasm to *create* , and instead they are happy to rattle off
what is often very poor musac .
Edgar's argument is that people only like the older material because of the
feelings of nostalgia that the music creates for the individual .
I would say not ! my first TD album was 'Optical Race', and whilst this does
hold a special place in my heart , I don't long for another Froese
/Haslinger album .In fact I prefer the 70s and 80s which I discovered over
the last 10 years , and similar feelings of awe came over me again whilst
listening to the unreleased material on 'Antique Dreams' from the same
periods , so no feelings of good days lost , just feelings of awe at hearing
fantastic Electronic music .
>Back in the mid 70's synths were 'new' (so to speak) and audiences were
>blown away by the scope and scale of their sound. It opened up whole new
>worlds. But we are used to the view now, and need to be impressed by other
>things, namely the quality of the songs themselves. TD have really
>delivered
>time and again with some quite marvelous pieces throughout their career,
>but these days they appear to have to rely more and more on song writing
>skills, and I am slowly beginning to believe the well might be drying up at
>long last (I sincerely hope I am proved wrong, please prove me wrong
>Edgar!)
Don't hold your breath ;) If the will was there , the albums would be there
.As I said ,Edgar's all too comfortable to sit with a single keyboard on his
knee .
. Edgar and Jerome have been writing together now for over 10 years,
>with only minor contributions from Linda Spa to assit in the writing
>process. I would personally like to see new blood in the TD ranks. After
>all, it is Edgar's philosophy that the constant evolution of TD's musc is
>derived from the creative state of mind of the members who pass through
>it's
>ranks. And not too many people have passed through those ranks in the last
>decade, a fact that can be born out by judging just how much TD's music
>evolved from 1982 to 1992 (a massive amount), and from 1992 to 2002 (not a
>great deal if you examine the progression of releases, despite many great
>tracks).
Yes! Yes! Yes! new blood pleeeaaasse save my favorite band ! However ,
didn`t Edgar say he wanted more of a servant than an individual ?
>
>After the Inferno project, I feel TD need to evolve again, and progress
>into
>a new era. Edgar promised this exact thing about 5 years ago. I hope he's
>just been postponing this progression in TD's history rather than
>cancelling
>it altogether.
I would agree that TD need to do something, and do it fast after the
dreadful 'Inferno', otherwise they must be due to disappear up their own
back passage due to the criminal amount of self indulgence that it must have
taken for this CD to exist.
I need to sit down :)
Pete
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 8:19
pm
Subject: TT2: RE: Question about Downloaders and FTP servers
Yeah, we were really kinda struggling with this whole host/leaves
assignments thing. some hosts are also burning, which complicates it
further. also there were a couple of HOSTs that we only assigned DOWNs to,
and some DOWNs that we assigned to SHNs, assuming that a DOWN doesn't really
care if they get them DOWN or by CDR.
We don't expect any big problems over the download thing. We have spare
branches ready to pick up slack if it doesn't work for DOWNs.
Also we expect questions and even reassignments. Just let us know at
tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com; if the answer will benefit other people,
we'll reply on-list.
**
Likewise it is equally important for everyone to establish contact NOW with
your connections to arrange your trade details, and especially so we can
figure out who has 'fallen out' of the Tree. Make sure all expectations are
clear (for example, artwork not included, and CDR quality). More general
guidelines at http://www.tadream.net/tree
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio Nunes
To: Joe Shoults
Sent: 8/7/02 3:04 PM
Subject: Question about Downloaders and FTP servers
Hi Joe,
I'm one of the TT2 downloaders, and I appreciate your messages and
everything you've been doing, but there's still one thing that's not
clear for me. Do I have to use only the FTP server that was assigned to
me in the Tree Structure, or can I use others? I'm asking this because
you suggested the use of download managers which allow multiple servers,
but on the other hand you assigned one 'supplier' to each downloader.
Thanks in advance for your answer.
Antonio
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 8:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1443
>Edgar's argument is that people only like the older material because of the
>feelings of nostalgia that the music creates for the individual .
Nostalgia? What about people like me, who have been listening to TD (and buying
the records) since august, 1999? Then the latest release was Mars Polaris,
which I only got early this year [ thanks! ;) ] Not nostalgia, but better
musical quality. How can you compare, just to name a little example, Sequent C'
to Gecko? (not to mention Cloudburst Flight, Mysterious Semblance, Monolight,
Tangram set 1.........)
just my one cent on this.
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
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Richard
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 9:26
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT2 SHN
Any chance of getting hold of one of those sets (UK based)
Cheers
>Hi,
>I've got 2 spare copies of the TT2 SHN distribution, which are starting to
>catch cob webs on my desk :))
>
>I'd prefer to send to a region not covered till now by the TT2 disks (if
>there is still one),
>
>Please contact me off list.
>
>Herbert.
>
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 10:45
pm
Subject: TT2 SHNs
>From: Richard
>Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 4:26 pm
>Subject: Re: [tadream] TT2 SHN
>
>Any chance of getting hold of one of those sets (UK based)
Remember, the purpose of the SHNs is to get the Tree distributed faster.
If all you want to do is get a copy of the music to listen to, you're
encouraged to sign up as a Redbook (normal audio CD) leaf. The SHN discs
will only play on a computer.
-Morgan
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 7:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Nostagy
> >Edgar's argument is that people only like the older material because of
>the
> >feelings of nostalgia that the music creates for the individual .
>
>Nostalgia? What about people like me, who have been listening to TD (and
>buying the records) since august, 1999? Then the latest release was Mars
>Polaris, which I only got early this year [ thanks! ;) ] Not nostalgia, but
>better musical quality. How can you compare, just to name a little example,
>Sequent C' to Gecko? (not to mention Cloudburst Flight, Mysterious
>Semblance, Monolight, Tangram set 1.........)
>
>just my one cent on this.
In order to protect your cent from loneliness, here's mine...
I've too been an active TD fan only since 1999 or something. I only had Exit
and Mars Polaris at that time, (and some 70s collection cassette) and I have
to say that Exit is wayyy better.
One track I do have nostalgia about: Stratosfear. I've heard it for the
first time already as a 5-year-old... There were probably others too, but
this one I remember.
Probably in the future we will be nostalgic even about the early 90s stuff,
at least I can easily imagining that happening to me. Any band's newest
creations will never get called 'classics', but almost all older than 10
years do.
John Vertical
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 7:18
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tree Colors
>Green = Branch
>Brown = Leaf
>Red = Already fulfilled their responsibilities
>
>-Morgan
Makes sense so far, but what're all these black ones? The seem to be spreadt
somewhat randomly over the tree.
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From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 9:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1443
> Nostalgia? What about people like me, who have been listening to TD
> (and buying the records) since august, 1999? Then the latest release
> was Mars Polaris, which I only got early this year [ thanks! ;) ] Not
> nostalgia, but better musical quality. How can you compare, just to
> name a little example, Sequent C' to Gecko? (not to mention Cloudburst
> Flight, Mysterious Semblance, Monolight, Tangram set 1.........)
Well, here's something I already posted on the subject of nostalgia for
the not-experienced the other day.
> At least one very strong reason why we still like Rubycon, Rocochet
> and other offerings is that they are part of the pervasive fan nostalgia
> that sooner or later grips any supporter of any long-running act ('I like
> X, but I thought their old stuff was sooo much better'). To those among
> us who were around in the 70s to hear these albums when they were
> fresh and new, they connote the period of youth and experimentation in
> the spirit of which they were produced. To those of us who weren't
> around to listen to these works when they were new, the 'old stuff'
> represents an idealised version of the above, plus the elusive, pure
> 'root' of TD that we are trying to find by buying each of their records
> from the year dot. Also, I suppose a recording with the compositional
> style, sonic texture and technical methods of 30 years ago fits in
> extremely well with TD's other-worldly ambitions at the time, thus
> adding to the appeal of the music.
Dennis
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 10:17
am
Subject: [tadream] Re: Nostagy
I'm with you. A friend bought Live Miles for me in...
in the last half of the year 2000 (I think... or was
it 2001...) and liked it. After that I bought Alpha
Centauri and Rubycon. Liked them too. Next spring I
bought Mars Polaris and other newer stuff and I have
to say, the stuff from 70's is clearly superior.
Biggest problem in the new albums are the length. They
are too long. If Rockoon would have only five tracks,
it would be great. Same fault can be found from Mars
Polaris, Transsiberia and others. Even if cd's can
take 80 minutes music, you don't have to fill it up!
Regards,
Marko Marin
--- John Vertical wrote:
> > >Edgar's argument is that people only like the
> older material because of
> >the
> > >feelings of nostalgia that the music creates for
> the individual .
> >
> >Nostalgia? What about people like me, who have been
> listening to TD (and
> >buying the records) since august, 1999? Then the
> latest release was Mars
> >Polaris, which I only got early this year [ thanks!
> ;) ] Not nostalgia, but
> >better musical quality. How can you compare, just
> to name a little example,
> >Sequent C' to Gecko? (not to mention Cloudburst
> Flight, Mysterious
> >Semblance, Monolight, Tangram set 1.........)
> >
> >just my one cent on this.
>
>
> In order to protect your cent from loneliness,
> here's mine...
>
> I've too been an active TD fan only since 1999 or
> something. I only had Exit
> and Mars Polaris at that time, (and some 70s
> collection cassette) and I have
> to say that Exit is wayyy better.
> One track I do have nostalgia about: Stratosfear.
> I've heard it for the
> first time already as a 5-year-old... There were
> probably others too, but
> this one I remember.
>
> Probably in the future we will be nostalgic even
> about the early 90s stuff,
> at least I can easily imagining that happening to
> me. Any band's newest
> creations will never get called 'classics', but
> almost all older than 10
> years do.
>
> John Vertical
>
>
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From:
'rbicon'
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 10:18
am
Subject: James Bernard Atmospherics
Hi everyone. I'm looking for this beautifull cd from James Bernard.
The one i have had just broke. I tried to find it on the net, and i
did'nt find. If someone has a copy to sell or trade, please contact
me.
You can view my web page at;
http://pages.infinit.net/musicfan
This cd is incredible EM music.I highly recommended it. Very good.
np:Oxric tentacles-At the pongmaster balls...those guys are crazy,
but they are outstanding musicians. Worth every penny you have.
Thanks, and sorry for my english :)
Sylvain from Québec
From:
thomas.soucheleau@n...
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 10:31
am
Subject: Tr: Re: [tadream] Nostagy
OK. Here we go again :) old and recent stuff.
It's obvious that TD will always be remembered for their virgin years.
But are they or not doing 'nothing but crap' since {choose the year or the
event} ?
Well, to me, the answer is yes and no (with late 80's/early 90's for the date).
I enjoy a lot TD's recent output and as long as they will keep on producing
tracks like prime time, timesquare or towards the evening star, I'll still buy
the cd's.
Now, it's true that some tracks sound like not much job has been done around.
But to me, it's a bit of a joke to say Edgar has gone lazy. On the contrary,
I'd say he' always keeping himself (way) too busy.
Once, TD were 3 musicians releasing 1 album per year of partly improvised music.
Now, they are 2, releasing loads of material and albums that are sometimes
twice longer that the virgin classics.
Furthemore, I'd say that it seems Edgar is doing the 2/3 of the job most of the
time.
May be it's just that I'm a crap musician but I don't feel it's humanly
possible to create only masterpieces with such a productivity.
To me, there have been truly great albums over the last 10 years. If I had to
put out a list of favorites, it would be something like : 220 volt live, tyrany
of beauty, tournado, timesquare, mars polaris and DM3.
But along with all these albums, they released many others where there really
was just 1 or 2 interesting tracks (wich in the end is enough to fill severall
CD's).
I feel that these ones were not necessary and they should produce less and
focus more on the real ideas. Because as far as ideas are concerned, they still
can deliver the goods.
But I always come back to my usual complaints : better sounds!
I'm convinced that 7 letters from tibet for exemple should have been played on
old analogue gear and mellotron.
To me, the ideas behind that album are not that far from those that finally
came out as pheadra or rubycon.
So, may be they should hire a 'real' third member, change the wole gear,
release only one album per year or 2 year or whatever else.
History has already captured the image of TD being the band of phaedra or force
majeure, so I guess now, they don't have to care anymore for what kind of music
the want to do, or people want them to do.
They could as well play country music or bavarian songs :)
Thomas.
----Message réexpédié----
>A: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>De: 'John Vertical'
>Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:09:13 +0300
>Sujet: Re: [tadream] Nostagy
>
>> >Edgar's argument is that people only like the older material because of
>>the
>> >feelings of nostalgia that the music creates for the individual .
>>
>>Nostalgia? What about people like me, who have been listening to TD (and
>>buying the records) since august, 1999? Then the latest release was Mars
>>Polaris, which I only got early this year [ thanks! ;) ] Not nostalgia, but
>>better musical quality. How can you compare, just to name a little example,
>>Sequent C' to Gecko? (not to mention Cloudburst Flight, Mysterious
>>Semblance, Monolight, Tangram set 1.........)
>>
>>just my one cent on this.
>
>
>In order to protect your cent from loneliness, here's mine...
>
>I've too been an active TD fan only since 1999 or something. I only had Exit
>and Mars Polaris at that time, (and some 70s collection cassette) and I have
>to say that Exit is wayyy better.
>One track I do have nostalgia about: Stratosfear. I've heard it for the
>first time already as a 5-year-old... There were probably others too, but
>this one I remember.
>
>Probably in the future we will be nostalgic even about the early 90s stuff,
>at least I can easily imagining that happening to me. Any band's newest
>creations will never get called 'classics', but almost all older than 10
>years do.
>
>John Vertical
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From:
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Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 12:27
pm
Subject: [tadream] artwork tt2
hi,
could someone send me the link to the final artwork for tt2 again... thanks!
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Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 1:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] artwork tt2
> hi,
>
> could someone send me the link to the final artwork for tt2 again... thanks!
http://www.mst3uk.com/tdtree/vol2/index.htm
or
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/
heiko
From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 12:14
pm
Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Nostagy
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:31 AM
Subject: Tr: Re: [tadream] Nostagy
>Now, it's true that some tracks sound like not much job has been done
>around.
>But to me, it's a bit of a joke to say Edgar has gone lazy. On the
contrary, >I'd say he' always keeping himself (way) too busy.
>Once, TD were 3 musicians releasing 1 album per year of partly improvised
>music.
>Now, they are 2, releasing loads of material and albums that are sometimes
>twice longer that the virgin classics.
How many albums do they release a year ? its not that many .Dream Mixes 3
last year, and Inferno this year .Have I missed any ?
>Furthemore, I'd say that it seems Edgar is doing the 2/3 of the job most of
>the time.
>May be it's just that I'm a crap musician but I don't feel it's humanly
possible >to create only masterpieces with such a productivity.
hang on , how much work do you think Hollywood composers take on in an
average year ? and still write fantastic oscar nominated music .I tell you
its a lot more work writing for full orchestra than it is for keyboard .In
the last four years I have written about 35 x50 minute scores , 10 full
Library music CDs, six EM albums , 4 new age albums and countless
compilation tracks .Admittedly I cannot say that I like every track I have
written in this time , but I aim to keep it at a high percentage , and I
think I manage it (not meaning to be big headed by the way)If it wasn`t for
bills etc and I had the luxury of concentrating on one or two albums in the
space of a year , then I wouldn`t (couldn`t) let anything out of the studio
that wasn`t pristine in everything from production , performance,
arrangement etc. Only TD themselves know whether they still feel this way .
>I feel that these ones were not necessary and they should produce less and
>focus more on the real ideas. Because as far as ideas are concerned, they
>still can deliver the goods.
Agreed !
>But I always come back to my usual complaints : better sounds!
>I'm convinced that 7 letters from tibet for exemple should have been played
>on old analogue gear and mellotron.
This is my main issue with the later TD realeases .I dont feel they are
making use of the huge amount of great sounds that are out there , instead
they use the same pallete of keyboard sounds and out of date over used
sample CDs(Distorted reality) all of the time .
>To me, the ideas behind that album are not that far from those that finally
>came out as pheadra or rubycon.
>So, may be they should hire a 'real' third member, change the wole gear,
>release only one album per year or 2 year or whatever else.
>History has already captured the image of TD being the band of phaedra or
>force majeure, so I guess now, they don't have to care anymore for what
>kind of music the want to do, or people want them to do.
>They could as well play country music or bavarian songs :)
But surely at the end of it all , TD is still a business as well .They have
to earn money from their music , and being complacent about the desires of
many of their fans is a risky path to take . Somebody mentioned 'self
indulgence' about the later albums, and I kind of half agree with this.Its a
fine line between moving in a direction you want to go in as an artist , and
pleasing the people who put you where you are .
Paul
.
>Thomas.
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 2:11
pm
Subject: homepage update
Hi all,
a quick update on my homepage:
'At Darwins Motel' info added to tdlyrics.txt
Update of my 'garage sale', have a look, several nice items,
all starting at 1 Euro/$
http://www.caby.de/special.htm
best regards,
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From:
mikael.jussila@p...
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 2:23
pm
Subject: [tadream] Re: Nostagy
>A friend bought Live Miles for me in...
>in the last half of the year 2000 (I think... or was
>it 2001...)and liked it. After that I bought Alpha
>Centauri and Rubycon. Liked them too.
Yes, it was in November 2000. And actually, I also bought Alpha and Rubycon for
you. No real reason to note this, just blowing my own horn. ;)
>Biggest problem in the new albums are the length.
This is certainly one reason, but doesn't explain it all. For example, look
Schulze's albums. Timewind lasts about an hour, and I think it's too short!
*Fornit Some Fornus*
MJUSSILA
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 2:32
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Nostagy
Paul Lawler wrote:
> hang on , how much work do you think Hollywood composers take on in an
> average year ? and still write fantastic oscar nominated music .
Hm, I'm not so convinced with the quality of Hollywood composers
in general. Usually they follow a well established recipe.
Some of them even repeat all the time (James Horner), or even
steal (compare 'Batman' and the french 'Cyrano de Bergerac'!)
What an Oscar says about quality is another issue...
armin's 2 cents
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 11:22
pm
Subject: Re: Nostagy
>>Biggest problem in the new albums are the length.
>
> This is certainly one reason, but doesn't explain it all. For example, look
Schulze's albums. Timewind lasts about an hour, and I think it's too short!
> *Fornit Some Fornus*
> MJUSSILA
Not really the length itself, but the long duration associated with the, for
the lack of a better description, lack of personality of many tracks, and
many tracks like that one after the other in an album, all of them sounding
the same, in some ways; one reason for this might be the use of only preset
patches, maybe.
Probably the only thing, in that way, I remember from Mars Polaris is that
bass tune or sequence in Comet's Figure Head and nothing more. The rest of
the album is a cloudy memory where I don't remember all the track titles and
any particular piece of music. In that way, going back to the 'cycle' thing
Edgar was talking about, I find such later releases like Mars Polaris
interestingly similar to, for example, Zeit. Can you tell which track in
Zeit is which, except for the cello quartet intro from the first track? They
all sound pretty much the same and exactly the same way happens in Mars
Polaris, for example. I haven't heard Seven Letters yet but I believe a
similar phenomenon must happen.
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 4:35
pm
Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Nostagy
Paul
Your thoughts are very logical. I have to agree that this seems to be the
case. Only way to know for sure would be to be in the mind of Edgar.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Paul Lawler'
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 5:14 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Nostagy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:31 AM
> Subject: Tr: Re: [tadream] Nostagy
>
>
> >Now, it's true that some tracks sound like not much job has been done
> >around.
> >But to me, it's a bit of a joke to say Edgar has gone lazy. On the
> contrary, >I'd say he' always keeping himself (way) too busy.
> >Once, TD were 3 musicians releasing 1 album per year of partly improvised
> >music.
> >Now, they are 2, releasing loads of material and albums that are
sometimes
> >twice longer that the virgin classics.
>
> How many albums do they release a year ? its not that many .Dream Mixes 3
> last year, and Inferno this year .Have I missed any ?
>
>
> >Furthemore, I'd say that it seems Edgar is doing the 2/3 of the job most
of
> >the time.
> >May be it's just that I'm a crap musician but I don't feel it's humanly
> possible >to create only masterpieces with such a productivity.
>
> hang on , how much work do you think Hollywood composers take on in an
> average year ? and still write fantastic oscar nominated music .I tell you
> its a lot more work writing for full orchestra than it is for keyboard .In
> the last four years I have written about 35 x50 minute scores , 10 full
> Library music CDs, six EM albums , 4 new age albums and countless
> compilation tracks .Admittedly I cannot say that I like every track I have
> written in this time , but I aim to keep it at a high percentage , and I
> think I manage it (not meaning to be big headed by the way)If it wasn`t
for
> bills etc and I had the luxury of concentrating on one or two albums in
the
> space of a year , then I wouldn`t (couldn`t) let anything out of the
studio
> that wasn`t pristine in everything from production , performance,
> arrangement etc. Only TD themselves know whether they still feel this way
.
>
>
> >I feel that these ones were not necessary and they should produce less
and
> >focus more on the real ideas. Because as far as ideas are concerned, they
> >still can deliver the goods.
>
> Agreed !
>
>
> >But I always come back to my usual complaints : better sounds!
> >I'm convinced that 7 letters from tibet for exemple should have been
played
> >on old analogue gear and mellotron.
>
> This is my main issue with the later TD realeases .I dont feel they are
> making use of the huge amount of great sounds that are out there , instead
> they use the same pallete of keyboard sounds and out of date over used
> sample CDs(Distorted reality) all of the time .
>
>
> >To me, the ideas behind that album are not that far from those that
finally
> >came out as pheadra or rubycon.
> >So, may be they should hire a 'real' third member, change the wole gear,
> >release only one album per year or 2 year or whatever else.
> >History has already captured the image of TD being the band of phaedra or
> >force majeure, so I guess now, they don't have to care anymore for what
> >kind of music the want to do, or people want them to do.
> >They could as well play country music or bavarian songs :)
>
> But surely at the end of it all , TD is still a business as well .They
have
> to earn money from their music , and being complacent about the desires of
> many of their fans is a risky path to take . Somebody mentioned 'self
> indulgence' about the later albums, and I kind of half agree with this.Its
a
> fine line between moving in a direction you want to go in as an artist ,
and
> pleasing the people who put you where you are .
>
> Paul
>
>
> .
>
>
>
>
> >Thomas.
>
>
>
>
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From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 4:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Nostagy
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Armin Theissen'
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Nostagy
>
>
> Paul Lawler wrote:
>
>
> > hang on , how much work do you think Hollywood composers take on in an
> > average year ? and still write fantastic oscar nominated music .
>
>
> Hm, I'm not so convinced with the quality of Hollywood composers
> in general.
You cant deny that people like Jerry Goldsmith , Ennio Morricine ,Hans
Zimmer etc write more often than not mind blowing scores
> Usually they follow a well established recipe.
Yes some of them do , but you could argue that that is there sound , like
Vangelis and his CS80 (?) sound , TD with their 90s Harpsichord patch and
the current use of Korg keyboards .Listen to the music from 'The Pledge' by
Zimmer , nothing like his big film sound but equally fantastic
> Some of them even repeat all the time (James Horner), or even
> steal (compare 'Batman' and the french 'Cyrano de Bergerac'!)
ah well you get this everywhere from film to pop music .I know James Horner
has used his Alien theme a few times .but at least there is a kind of high
brow quality to a lot of the scores being written , no matter how much the
composer writes in a year .
>
> What an Oscar says about quality is another issue...
Yeah but you get my point ......I think :)
Paul
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Subject: New Haslinger Movie Score BLUE CRUSH
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 5:57
pm
Subject: beetles in relation to early TD
For some strange reason, something popped into my head a few nights ago.
Background:
I have a vast collection of midi files, some good some not so good. I spent
a little time here and there making them better, close to the original as
possible. I also have my own little versions. I have a lot of Beetles midi
files. Since I am from that time frame, I like the Beetles. With that said,
you might think I have spent some time making my midi files sound good. I
have. Maybe more than the Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyds or Tangerine Dream's
(which I would tell you are about equal time spent).
What occurred to me was to take some rather early Beetle midi's I have, take
a few single tracks out, slow them down, remove some of the extra notes here
and there then play back thru some of my synths. Adding a bit of Berlin
Style and I am getting something close to early TD material. Maybe I am just
spending too much time up late at night huh?
I wonder... I am going to play a bit with a few other groups here and there
too. It just might be the chord progressions are similar or I have a defect
in my brain. Maybe both.
dale
From:
'convention24'
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 6:28
pm
Subject: (off Topic) Edgar Froese-The Worlds Number One
Edgar Froese-There is no Doubt in my mind that this man is the
absolute GREATEST of all time,Edgar we LOVE you.
Love From Colin, Julie Colin JNR & Stefan South Wales UK
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 6:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Nostagy
>Probably the only thing, in that way, I remember from Mars Polaris is that
>bass tune or sequence in Comet's Figure Head and nothing more. The rest of
>the album is a cloudy memory where I don't remember all the track titles
>and
>any particular piece of music. In that way, going back to the 'cycle' thing
>Edgar was talking about, I find such later releases like Mars Polaris
>interestingly similar to, for example, Zeit. Can you tell which track in
>Zeit is which, except for the cello quartet intro from the first track?
>They
>all sound pretty much the same and exactly the same way happens in Mars
>Polaris, for example. I haven't heard Seven Letters yet but I believe a
>similar phenomenon must happen.
Well, recognizing a track from Zeit shouldn't be too hard if you get to hear
a sample of at least 30 secs. Each track has a rather typical structure,
they're not all the same. The very deep (Moog?) line during the 2nd section
of BoLP and the organ during the 3rd; the spot effects in Nebulous Dawn; the
looping sounds of OoSnPb (hrm, that sounds like some mineral's chemical
formula... just replace the small o with 4, 6 or 8); and the remotely
flute-like sounds of Zeit.
I too had once adopted a similar cycle theory, but I've now abandoned it
after getting my hands on more material. There _are_ some things that go
round, but many more that don't.
But still, remembering things off MP is still hard for me. I do remember
something though; eg. that Outland has a nice melody line, the end ambience
of Astrophobia resembles vaguely Phaedra, track 10 or 6 was pianoish, Deep
Space Cruiser is circa 4+ minutes long and other such information. Then
again, if I listened to it more, I probably eventually would have memorized
the whole. I do have flypaper memory after all... Humming the whole Cherokee
Lane off my head wouldn't be too hard.
John Vertical
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 7:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT2 SHNs
Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> >From: Richard
> >Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 4:26 pm
> >Subject: Re: [tadream] TT2 SHN
> >
> >Any chance of getting hold of one of those sets (UK based)
>
> Remember, the purpose of the SHNs is to get the Tree distributed
> faster.
>
> If all you want to do is get a copy of the music to listen to, you're
> encouraged to sign up as a Redbook (normal audio CD) leaf. The SHN
> discs will only play on a computer.
True, Morgan, but there's another reason to get SHN. I use the SHN discs
as an archive. That way, if anything happens to a redbook disc I can
quickly and easily burn a new one using the SHN version as food.
That way I won't miss my Tadream. 8^) ...OJ? No thanks! I prefer TANG!
Ciao -- Mark
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 8:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT2 SHNs
I do the same Mark. Last tree I was lucky to have someone send me audio and
shn. If my audio dies or gets scratched etc.. I plan on redoing with the shn
I have. Same with tree 2. I have shn, just have not had the time to audio it
yet. Still have not downloaded the software either. Soon, soon.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Mark Filipak'
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TT2 SHNs
> Morgan Feldon wrote:
> >
> > >From: Richard
> > >Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 4:26 pm
> > >Subject: Re: [tadream] TT2 SHN
> > >
> > >Any chance of getting hold of one of those sets (UK based)
> >
> > Remember, the purpose of the SHNs is to get the Tree distributed
> > faster.
> >
> > If all you want to do is get a copy of the music to listen to, you're
> > encouraged to sign up as a Redbook (normal audio CD) leaf. The SHN
> > discs will only play on a computer.
>
> True, Morgan, but there's another reason to get SHN. I use the SHN discs
> as an archive. That way, if anything happens to a redbook disc I can
> quickly and easily burn a new one using the SHN version as food.
>
> That way I won't miss my Tadream. 8^) ...OJ? No thanks! I prefer TANG!
>
> Ciao -- Mark
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From:
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Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 11:13
pm
Subject: downloaders please report
i'd like to get some immediate feedback on how the downloading situation is
coming along, so that we can make any necessary adjustments to the process.
Who is trying to log into the hosts?
Can you get in?
Have you been able to establish communication/permissions with the hosts?
What are your download rates?
Are you using a download manager?
If downloading is not working out for you, and your host cannot supply you
otherwise with the CDRs, let me know immediately and I'll switch you to
another supplier. This is especially important if you have leaves to supply
yourself.
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 11:58
pm
Subject: reminder: maintain your status
Please record any TT2 progress/updates at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database
or e-mail them to
mailto:tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com
We don't record when you SEND the disks because things can get lost in the
mail. What's important is recording 'disks received' so we can keep tabs on
overall tree progress.
This is new: I'm keeping all tree updates here, sorted a few different ways
so you don't necessarily have to log into yahoogroups:
http://www.tadream.net/tree/status/
Thanks!
Joe
From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 3:28
am
Subject: Re: Album length (was 'Nostagy', whatever that is)
In a message dated 8/8/02 6:18:35 AM, rubyconist@y... writes:
>Biggest problem in the new albums are the length. They
>are too long. If Rockoon would have only five tracks,
>it would be great. Same fault can be found from Mars
>Polaris, Transsiberia and others. Even if cd's can
>take 80 minutes music, you don't have to fill it up!
...?
This makes no sense to me. True, they don't have to fill it up, but at the
same time, you don't have to listen to it all.
I can't see how simply dropping tracks off an album would make it better.
Remember that the tracks you don't care about might be someone else's
favorites.
--Daniel
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 3:31
am
Subject: Remember: Ed is retiring (was: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese)
Dennis Nigbur wrote:
>
> On 6 Aug 2002 at 20:47, Chris Owen wrote:
>
> > After the Inferno project, I feel TD need to evolve again, and
> > progress into a new era. Edgar promised this exact thing about 5
> > years ago. I hope he's just been postponing this progression in
> > TD's history rather than cancelling it altogether.
>
> I think you're right! Inferno seems like the kind of project after
> which TD could either retire or start something completely different.
> Let's see what happens...
Dennis, Chris, and All. Remember this (written in 1996)?
... in 1996, the band resumed touring their European homelands with a
one-off gig in London and spoke as optimistically of the future as
always (more tours, more compilations, more soundtracks, and a planned
choral-orchestral extravaganza based on Dante's DIVINE COMEDY for the
year 2000, after which Edgar Froese claims he will have done all he
needs to with the band and hand it over to Jerome). - Paul Stump,
'Digital Gothic', page 119.
-- Mark
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 7:11
am
Subject: [tadream] Re: Nostalgy
--- mikael.jussila@p... wrote:
> >A friend bought Live Miles for me in...
> >in the last half of the year 2000 (I think... or
> was
> >it 2001...)and liked it. After that I bought Alpha
> >Centauri and Rubycon. Liked them too.
>
> Yes, it was in November 2000. And actually, I also
> bought Alpha and Rubycon for you. No real reason to
> note this, just blowing my own horn. ;)
That's what you always do!
> >Biggest problem in the new albums are the length.
>
> This is certainly one reason, but doesn't explain it
> all. For example, look Schulze's albums. Timewind
> lasts about an hour, and I think it's too short!
Yes, yes... the other reason is that Edgar uses same
synth pads over and over so the sound is always the
same... like in Mars Polaris, The Great Wall Of China
and The Seven Letters From Tibet.
Regards,
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 7:17
am
Subject: [tadream] Re: Nostalgy
--- Armin Theissen wrote:
> Hm, I'm not so convinced with the quality of
> Hollywood composers
> in general. Usually they follow a well established
> recipe.
> Some of them even repeat all the time (James
> Horner), or even
> steal (compare 'Batman' and the french 'Cyrano de
> Bergerac'!)
>
> What an Oscar says about quality is another issue...
>
> armin's 2 cents
I agree. Oscars aren't today nothing more than a joke.
A bad joke, that is. Anyway, there are many good
composers but the repeating their style is one of the
problems. Or in Hans Zimmer's case, young composers
(mostly from Media Ventures ;-) are copying the old
Zimmerian style (1994-1998) in several action movies,
so that style is nowdays just dull.
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 7:27
am
Subject: album releases per year
>How many albums do they release a year ? its not that many .Dream Mixes 3
>last year, and Inferno this year .Have I missed any ?
well, yes the DVD of legend and the SACD of rubycon as well as the new 3CD
sanctuary compilation. but if you meant specifically from TDI then I'd say
you at least missed the ground liftaz vinyl.
And as for the first question I'd answer it this way
some years they release waay more than others. Some of it is repackaging
with subtle and not so subtle artwork variation, sound quality variation,
and varying tracks within same or similarly titled releases--see ambient
monkeys for major variations in artwork, and some subtle track variation and
say the rubycon SACD, the legend DVD, and now, purportedly, the 3 CD
sanctuary compilation.
so a quick look at allmusic.com shows for rereleases or rebundled look
something like this just for 1999 and 2000:
1999 Atlantic Bridges Tangerine
1999 Atlantic Walls Tangerine
1999 Timesquare Tangerine
1999 Valentine Dream Import
1999 The Hollywood Years, Vol. 1 Tangerine
1999 The Hollywood Years, Vol. 2 Tangerine
2000 Tang-Go EFA
2000 Dream Sequence: The Best of Tangerine Dream Virgin
2000 Best of the Blue Years, Vol. 2 Castle
2000 Best of the Blue Years Castle
2000 I-Box 1970-1990
and primarily not repackaged for said years:
1999 Transsiberia: The Russian Express Railway... Tangerine
1999 Sohoman Tangerine
1999 Dream Encores Tangerine
1999 Quinoa Tangerine
1999 Mars Polaris Tangerine
1999 Architecture in Motion Miramar
1999 What a Blast: Architecture in Motion TDI
2000 Great Wall of China Tangerine
2000 Live Miles [2000] Castle Music
2000 Soundmill Navigator: Live at the... TDI
2000 Antiques Dreams Tangerine
2000 The Seven Letters From Tibet TDI
about 22 releases if you edit out the obvious duplications within those 2
years and single track releases of various artist compilations--e.g. orbital
'back to mine'
bottom line is if you look at the output of TD a reduction in quantity
released per annum does not guarantee quality. And certainly there were
years when quality was high and output was, too. In fact as many as 5+
original issues in a year still showed strong to very strong quality. 1999
and 2000 are prime recent examples--1984 being another.
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From:
'mars103nl'
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 8:03
am
Subject: Re: Nostalgy
--- In tadream@y..., Marko Marin wrote:
>
> Yes, yes... the other reason is that Edgar uses same
> synth pads over and over so the sound is always the
> same... like in Mars Polaris, The Great Wall Of China
> and The Seven Letters From Tibet.
It is weird though because they were using
a lot of the same pads in the 70s too,
just think of the mellotron. They used it,
I think, for almost 10 years or so. Not that
I'm complaining.
I personally don't think it is about nostalgy
at least not for me, because I never heard TD
in my younger years
(I feel old when I say that) plus the first
albums from TD I heard were Tyger and LiveMiles.
For me it's the adventure and taking time for things
to develop what I like. The same reason I like
the Dark Side of the Moog series a thousand miles
better then Dream Mixes...it's got adventure and
takes time.
In the 70s and 80s they (and not only TD) played
'darker', it's more positive now...I like the dark. :-)
Marcel
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
mengels@w...
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 9:28
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Nostagy
Gustavo Jobim wrote:
> Edgar was talking about, I find such later releases like Mars Polaris
> interestingly similar to, for example, Zeit. Can you tell which track in
> Zeit is which, except for the cello quartet intro from the first track?
very very well!!!
your Zeit fan
armin
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From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 9:30
am
Subject: nostalgia for the not-experienced
>To those of us who weren't
> around to listen to these works when they were new, the 'old stuff'
> represents an idealised version ...
I think I see what you're getting at, Dennis. Like people wishing for 'the
good old days' - they only think about the good bits. So, for example,
people wishing for a 'return to Victorian values' think only about the firm
moral stance, and forget the hypocrisy. You youngsters think only about
Nottingham 1976, and forget about ......?
LnH
Marion
From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 9:53
am
Subject: Nostalgia
Thomas, you talk a lot of good sense. And I would choose the very same
tracks as you to illustrate what's best about the 'new' stuff.
I love the idea of producing '7 letters' using old analogue gear. Why not?
After all, people use 'classical' instruments to make the music of the
time, deliberately eschewing the benefits of more recent innovations like
valves on brass instruments. And '7 letters' seems to me to be very much
rooted in the 70's.
And I agree that maybe they are releasing too much for good 'quality
control' - there are many reasons why this may be so and we can (and do)
debate it endlessly. We can't know without getting inside their heads, and
I have given up speculating.
I agree that the addition of a third musician could help creatively.
However, to make the majority of people on this list happy, that third
musician would have to be of a very specific genre. How about Marcel (FSP)?
I'm sure he'd jump at the chance! Or maybe, after all this time, Edgar
should get back together with Steve Schroyder? Although he seems to be
happy, and doing good work, with Jens in Star Sounds Orchestra. Maybe the
two bands should amalgamate? Hmm, the thought of what might come out of
_that_ collaboration is interesting.
What you say about history is true, as well. If you mention TD to a
non-fan, the kind of music they will think of is the 'classic' stuff. I am
forever surprising friends by telling them 'actually, that's Tangerine
Dream' - except that they've now come to expect it of me!
And speaking of bavarian songs - can anybody tell me what 'bavarian fusion'
is? I saw it listed amongst a list of EM sub-genres!?!???
LnH
Marion
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From:
mengels@w...
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 10:22
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Nostalgia
> Citeren Marion Horrod :
>
> I agree that the addition of a third musician could help creatively.
> However, to make the majority of people on this list happy, that third
> musician would have to be of a very specific genre. How about Marcel (FSP)?
>
> I'm sure he'd jump at the chance!
:-)
Well I'm not so sure though. I must say I'm quite happy
where I am now. Plus I make the music I want to do.
But it would be interested to see what comes out and
how that co-operation will turn out.
It turned out quite well with the Okefenokee gatherings.
> Maybe the
> two bands should amalgamate?
Thats an interesting word! What does it mean?
I would almost use that as a title track. :-)
> What you say about history is true, as well. If you mention TD to a
> non-fan, the kind of music they will think of is the 'classic' stuff. I am
> forever surprising friends by telling them 'actually, that's Tangerine
> Dream' - except that they've now come to expect it of me!
Most non-EM listeners know TD from the Phaedra and Rubycon area.
Is it because it was played on the radio by John Peel?
Would people know the newer records by TD if those would be played
on the radio these days?
Marcel
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 11:17
am
Subject: yet another homepage update
Hi all,
I got my swaplist updated, the most interesting new item
available is:
CD - COMPILATIONS
-----------------
Russian MP3 Collection, all TD albums 1970-2000 on 8 CDs, m/m
and I have updated the 'Best TD CDRs' page to cover the
Digital Soundtrack Collection as well.
have a look at http://www.caby.de
cheers,
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From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 12:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Remember: Ed is retiring (was: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese)
Yep, I remember it. Thanks for digging out the source, Mark.
I also get the impression, though, that Edgar may not have achieved
everything with TD that he had set out to achieve when this retirement
plan arose. It's still possible that he decides to retire soon now, but
since a few projects seem to have been put on the back burner in
favour of 'Inferno', it would surprise me if Edgar didn't make sure he
sees them through.
Dennis
On 8 Aug 2002 at 23:31, Mark Filipak wrote:
> Dennis Nigbur wrote:
> >
> > On 6 Aug 2002 at 20:47, Chris Owen wrote:
> >
> > > After the Inferno project, I feel TD need to evolve again, and
> > > progress into a new era. Edgar promised this exact thing about 5
> > > years ago. I hope he's just been postponing this progression in
> > > TD's history rather than cancelling it altogether.
> >
> > I think you're right! Inferno seems like the kind of project after
> > which TD could either retire or start something completely
> > different. Let's see what happens...
>
> Dennis, Chris, and All. Remember this (written in 1996)?
>
> ... in 1996, the band resumed touring their European homelands with
> a one-off gig in London and spoke as optimistically of the future as
> always (more tours, more compilations, more soundtracks, and a
> planned choral-orchestral extravaganza based on Dante's DIVINE
> COMEDY for the year 2000, after which Edgar Froese claims he will
> have done all he needs to with the band and hand it over to Jerome).
> - Paul Stump, 'Digital Gothic', page 119.
>
> -- Mark
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From:
'Pete Dandy'
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:34
pm
Subject: Re(off Topic) Edgar Froese-The Worlds Number One:
________________
>
>Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 18:28:18 -0000
> From: 'convention24'
>Subject:
>
>Edgar Froese-There is no Doubt in my mind that this man is the
>absolute GREATEST of all time,Edgar we LOVE you.
> Love From Colin, Julie Colin JNR & Stefan South Wales UK
Jees buddy your weirdness is freakin me out !!!! there`s being a fan and all
but i think you are 'in love' with Edgar . pssss ......does your wife know
about it ???? ;)
Pete
>
>
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From:
Philip Meyer
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 2:39
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] downloaders please report
>Who is trying to log into the hosts?
>Can you get in?
>Have you been able to establish communication/permissions with the hosts?
>What are your download rates?
>Are you using a download manager?
>
I am trying to download. I have downloaded a couple of the volumes, and also
resumed downloading of TT1 :)
No problem contacting the friendly bunch of people providing the FTP servers,
but the demand to download from these servers is making it hard to connect.
I am getting 12K/s from the one server that I have managed to connect to for
TT2. I don't mind that it takes a while, as I have ADSL, so I'm not paying for
time connected, and can leave the PC on over night.
I use GetRight download manager.
Hey, I just noticed a little Beatles riff in TT1, volume 1, disk 1, track 3.
Sounds like Hard Days Night.
Phil
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 9:45
pm
Subject: Re: Remember: Ed is retiring (was: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese)
`(...)a planned
> choral-orchestral extravaganza based on Dante's DIVINE COMEDY for the
> year 2000, after which Edgar Froese claims he will have done all he
> needs to with the band and hand it over to Jerome). - Paul Stump,
> 'Digital Gothic', page 119.
> -- Mark
Maybe this will sound like heresy to some, but I would like to know where
Jerome would take the TD music without Edgar when (if) this happens. (and if
he'd look for a new member...)
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
'Admin'
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 3:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] downloaders please report
> Hey, I just noticed a little Beatles riff in TT1, volume 1, disk 1, track
3.
> Sounds like Hard Days Night.
Did you see my post on the Beetles?
I am almost sure there is a tad more to this than what I dug up so far.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Philip Meyer'
To:
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] downloaders please report
> >Who is trying to log into the hosts?
> >Can you get in?
> >Have you been able to establish communication/permissions with the hosts?
> >What are your download rates?
> >Are you using a download manager?
> >
> I am trying to download. I have downloaded a couple of the volumes, and
also
> resumed downloading of TT1 :)
>
> No problem contacting the friendly bunch of people providing the FTP
servers,
> but the demand to download from these servers is making it hard to
connect.
>
> I am getting 12K/s from the one server that I have managed to connect to
for
> TT2. I don't mind that it takes a while, as I have ADSL, so I'm not
paying for
> time connected, and can leave the PC on over night.
>
> I use GetRight download manager.
>
> Hey, I just noticed a little Beatles riff in TT1, volume 1, disk 1, track
3.
> Sounds like Hard Days Night.
>
> Phil
>
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From:
thomas.soucheleau@n...
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 3:24
pm
Subject: Tr: [tadream] Re: Remember: Ed is retiring (was: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar
>De: Gustavo Jobim
>Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 14:45:46 GMT
>Sujet: [tadream] Re: Remember: Ed is retiring (was: The E (de ?) volution of
Edgar Froese)
>
>`(...)a planned
>> choral-orchestral extravaganza based on Dante's DIVINE COMEDY for the
>> year 2000, after which Edgar Froese claims he will have done all he
>> needs to with the band and hand it over to Jerome). - Paul Stump,
>> 'Digital Gothic', page 119.
>> -- Mark
>
>Maybe this will sound like heresy to some, but I would like to know where
>Jerome would take the TD music without Edgar when (if) this happens. (and if
>he'd look for a new member...)
>
Well, if he goes the timesquare - DM3 direction, it's OK for me (I don't like
the first one that much).
But If Edgar ever retires, then, they will really have to find out at least one
new member.
That said, I recall a quote from Edgar saying TD was fully booked until 2007.
Am I wrong?
Thomas
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 3:43
pm
Subject: Ed retiring
>Gustavo Jobim asked:
>
>Maybe this will sound like heresy to some, but I would like to know where
>Jerome would take the TD music without Edgar when (if) this happens. (and if
>he'd look for a new member...)
I used to have a lot of hope for the future. At least until I heard the
TDJRome stuff. I liked Dream Mixes, but I can see now that he did not do
the Dream Mixes albums without involvement from Edgar.
Hopefully a few years from now while some of us are still young he'll think
to himself 'I could really use a new car' and release a 20 CD boxed set of
concerts.
-Morgan
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From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 4:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ed retiring
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:43 PM
Subject: [tadream] Ed retiring
>
> I used to have a lot of hope for the future. At least until I heard the
> TDJRome stuff. I liked Dream Mixes, but I can see now that he did not do
> the Dream Mixes albums without involvement from Edgar.
I like the TDJRome stuff a lot (well the bits I`ve downloaded anyway) are
these available on CD or is it just vinyl ?
I think Edgars involvement in DMixes is mostly that he co-wrote the stuff
being re-mixed .I feel that Jerome is the driving force of TD now , and I
think he`s a very talented tunesmith .I wouldn`t be suprised if the next
member of TD (after Ed retires) would be a DJ of some kind , somebody off
the Ground Liftaz label perhaps ? I wouldn`t have thought there would be
another Haslinger for instance .
Only time will tell .
Paul
>
> Hopefully a few years from now while some of us are still young he'll
think
> to himself 'I could really use a new car' and release a 20 CD boxed set of
> concerts.
>
> -Morgan
>
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 11:10
pm
Subject: Re: Ed retiring
> I used to have a lot of hope for the future. At least until I heard the
> TDJRome stuff. I liked Dream Mixes, but I can see now that he did not do
> the Dream Mixes albums without involvement from Edgar.
I don't really have a hope, but it's more like curiosity; btw, what an ugly
name 'TDJRome' is.
> > Hopefully a few years from now while some of us are still young he'll think
to himself 'I could really use a new car' and release a 20 CD boxed set of
concerts.
for which I probably won't have the money for, nor will be willing to spend
on that, if I happen to have the money.
GJ np. Mars polaris btw. track 3, whatever it's called.
From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 3:50
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Ed retiring
Hi all
Why does this thread keep on coming back?????........there has been alot
of rumours throughout the years about TD stopping, Edgar Froese retiring etc
etc...............Does anyone have any confirmation about this......?????
I find it VERY hard to believe, that a man who has been on the music-scene
for 35+, is going to stop. This is what he does. This is what he likes. Why
stop. Edgar Froese is making the music he likes, he has the funds and
record-company to do this. I think Edgar Froese has to much love for music and
for making music to quit. He may go solo, may start a new band, but I do not
believe that Edgar Froese will stop making music. Would any of you out there
making music????? Just think of f.ex. Bob Dylan, Paul Mccartney..............I
simply can not imagine them stop making music..........
Just my 2 cents...........
Regards
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 5:43 PM
Subject: [tadream] Ed retiring
>
> >Gustavo Jobim asked:
> >
> >Maybe this will sound like heresy to some, but I would like to know where
> >Jerome would take the TD music without Edgar when (if) this happens. (and if
> >he'd look for a new member...)
>
> I used to have a lot of hope for the future. At least until I heard the
> TDJRome stuff. I liked Dream Mixes, but I can see now that he did not do
> the Dream Mixes albums without involvement from Edgar.
>
> Hopefully a few years from now while some of us are still young he'll think
> to himself 'I could really use a new car' and release a 20 CD boxed set of
> concerts.
>
> -Morgan
>
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From:
'E Neal Frost'
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 4:16
pm
Subject: record/LP help in the Denver area
Very sorry for the off topic bandwidth everyone.
I need to find someone in the Denver, Colorado area that knows about record
collecting, and/or the local used record shops.
All others, please just ignore or delete this post.
Thanks
Neal
From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:32
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Remember: Ed is retiring (was: The E (de ?) volution of Edgar Froese)
Thinking back, the first I remember about Edgar putting some sort of cap on
TD's longevity was in an interview in the UK music press many years ago, in
which he says that TD will only last maybe 20 years from its inception
(which would mean they should have stopped in 1990 at the latest, 20 years
from their frist LP). I think the reason Edgar keeps going is because (as
Jan has said), making music is in his blood, and to still be going strong 32
years after that first LP means he still feels he has a lot of creativity
inside him. Plus, after having lived the life he has, the idea of retiring
from TD must seem an awful prospect, and maybe one he doesn't want to face
(I think I would feel the same were I in his shoes).
If he retires, what will he do with his spare time? Travel? Write some
music? Take up photography? Heck, he does all these things in TD anyway! TD
is his life. Edgar has always taken his health very seriously too, and had
he lived the reckless life of a typical rock star (the jumping about on
stage, the all-night parties, the drink and drugs excesses), then he might
not be in a physical condition to carry on at his age. But Edgar seems in
pretty good state for a guy of 58. Long may he continue, but only if he
feels he can contribute in a positive way to TD's musical journey.
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Filipak
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 8:31 PM
Subject: [tadream] Remember: Ed is retiring (was: The E (de ?) volution of
Edgar Froese)
> Dennis Nigbur wrote:
> >
> > On 6 Aug 2002 at 20:47, Chris Owen wrote:
> >
> > > After the Inferno project, I feel TD need to evolve again, and
> > > progress into a new era. Edgar promised this exact thing about 5
> > > years ago. I hope he's just been postponing this progression in
> > > TD's history rather than cancelling it altogether.
> >
> > I think you're right! Inferno seems like the kind of project after
> > which TD could either retire or start something completely different.
> > Let's see what happens...
>
> Dennis, Chris, and All. Remember this (written in 1996)?
>
> ... in 1996, the band resumed touring their European homelands with a
> one-off gig in London and spoke as optimistically of the future as
> always (more tours, more compilations, more soundtracks, and a planned
> choral-orchestral extravaganza based on Dante's DIVINE COMEDY for the
> year 2000, after which Edgar Froese claims he will have done all he
> needs to with the band and hand it over to Jerome). - Paul Stump,
> 'Digital Gothic', page 119.
>
> -- Mark
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From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 5:31
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] downloaders please report
I checked this just the other night - no question it
is A Hard Days Night by the Beatles... cute!
--- Admin wrote:
> > Hey, I just noticed a little Beatles riff in TT1,
> volume 1, disk 1, track
> 3.
> > Sounds like Hard Days Night.
>
>
> Did you see my post on the Beetles?
> I am almost sure there is a tad more to this than
> what I dug up so far.
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 5:43
pm
Subject: Ed Retiring
>Gustavo said:
>
> > > Hopefully a few years from now while some of us are still young he'll
> think
>to himself 'I could really use a new car' and release a 20 CD boxed set of
>concerts.
>
>for which I probably won't have the money for, nor will be willing to spend
>on that, if I happen to have the money.
If it's untouched concerts, maybe with a little remastering, I'll sell my
body for it.
-Morgan
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From:
'omegatransfinito'
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 7:23
pm
Subject: Re: Ed Retiring
> > > > Hopefully a few years from now while some of us are still
young he'll
> > think
> >to himself 'I could really use a new car' and release a 20 CD
boxed set of
> >concerts.
> >
> >for which I probably won't have the money for, nor will be
willing to spend
> >on that, if I happen to have the money.
>
> If it's untouched concerts, maybe with a little remastering, I'll
sell my
> body for it.
>
> -Morgan
And if they'd all be like Soundmill Navigator, you would probably
want to sell a few parts of Edgar's body. :^>
John Vertical
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 7:38
pm
Subject: Edgar Retiring
>And if they'd all be like Soundmill Navigator, you would probably
>want to sell a few parts of Edgar's body. :^>
>
>John Vertical
If you mean the tape flaw, that can be decently repaired and still sound
better than the best bootleg.
If you mean the overdubs, Edgar could do a nice EM CD in the vein of the
overdubs he did on Soundmill.
I would only be happy with a 20 CD set if it were archival releases, warts
and all. Ideally, Jerome would contact, through Martin K or others, TD fans
who have a talent for remastering. Then the remastered discs would be
listened to be a few sets of golden ears and if approved, released.
Remastering can color the sound of a concert very differently than how it
was intended or how itsounded or worse, remove vital elements to the sound.
I have to admit I have heard cases of both in recent projects. It's like
remastering a painting. When does it stop being remastering and start
turning into something else? I don't think just one person can judge this.
-Morgan
-Morgan
From:
'convention24'
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 7:42
pm
Subject: Re: Re(off Topic) Edgar Froese-The Worlds Number One:
--- In tadream@y..., 'Pete Dandy' wrote:
>
>
>
> ________________
> >
> >Message: 18
> > Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 18:28:18 -0000
> > From: 'convention24'
> >Subject:
> >
> >Edgar Froese-There is no Doubt in my mind that this man is the
> >absolute GREATEST of all time,Edgar we LOVE you.
> > Love From Colin, Julie Colin JNR & Stefan South Wales UK
>
>
> Jees buddy your weirdness is freakin me out !!!! there`s being a
fan and all
> but i think you are 'in love' with Edgar . pssss ......does your
wife know
> about it ???? ;)
>
> Pete
> Hello Pete
Yes my wife does know about it,she quite fancies Edgar herself,we
sleep with Edgars towel which i got at Shepherds Bush concert of
12,5,01 every night,she seems to think that EF is the Stud of the
music scene.
Best regards
CJ
>
>
>
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> >
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From:
'miles macmillan'
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 8:00
pm
Subject: Extracts from Poland
Hi folks,
I recently acquired the CD, Extracts From Poland on the Jive Electro label.
The CD has just 3 songs from Poland instead of 4 and I am guessing they are
identical to the versions that I already have on my Poland CD since the time
lengths are virtually the same. Can anyone tell me if this CD is rare or
pretty common and whether it is worth keeping for any reason, except for
completion purposes. Sorry, I don't remember it being discussed during the
last Poland thread a while back. Thanks.
Miles MacMillan
P.S. If there is anyone out there who uses Cubase VST 32 and the Audigy
Platinum EX Soundcard and has time to answer a question offlist, please contact
me.
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From:
Simon Fay
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 8:07
pm
Subject: Nostalgia (aka Edgar's retirement clock), Bavarian Fusion, Klaus Krieger/Kruger again
Someone posted a frightening list of TDI 'product'
from the last 3 years. And the notion of TD being
booked until twenty-oh-seven. That sums it up really.
An incessantly productive business talking the
language of the present age. Then again, maybe if the
Net had been around in 1980 and the surfeit of info &
opinions (and consequent commercial options/avenues)
had been around then maybe Edgar's colours might have
become apparent earlier. I too remember the
'retirement in 2000' thing, but doubt he'll step down
until Arthur Andersen rolls out Cubase.
Someone asked about 'Bavarian Fusion' - don't know any
EM variants but Die Interpreten do some nice
Alpine-flavoured stuff on two saxes and percussion,
and Austrian duo Attwenger do a brilliant
Folk-meets-HipHop child of Bierhalle Lieder.
I ask again - will one of you techie bastards please
vouch for Klaus K's stuff?
thanks
SF
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 9:51
pm
Subject: Virgin TAND SBMs -- complete list
Hi All! Here's the complete list of the 'TAND' series of SBMs from
Virgin, UK (except for TAND 12, which I have as made in The Netherlands).
TTBOMK, they all came out in 1995.
TAND 1 - 'Encore'
TAND 2 - 'White Eagle'
TAND 3 - 'Logos'
TAND 4 - 'Hyperborea'
TAND 5 - 'Phaedra'
TAND 6 - 'Rubycon'
TAND 7 - 'Ricochet'
TAND 8 - 'Stratosfear'
TAND 9 - 'Cyclone'
TAND 10 - 'Force Majeure'
TAND 11 - 'Tangram'
TAND 12 - 'Thief'
TAND 13 - 'Exit'
Ciao -- Mark
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 10:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re(off Topic) Edgar Froese-The Worlds Number One:
Pete Dandy wrote:
>
> > Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 18:28:18 -0000
> > From: 'convention24'
> >
> > Edgar Froese-There is no Doubt in my mind that this man is the
> > absolute GREATEST of all time,Edgar we LOVE you.
> > Love From Colin, Julie Colin JNR & Stefan South Wales UK
>
> Jees buddy your weirdness is freakin me out !!!! there`s being a fan
> and all but i think you are 'in love' with Edgar . pssss ......does
> your wife know about it ???? ;)
I'm weird too. IMHO, Edgar Froese is one of the greatest musical geniuses
of the late 20th and early 21st centuries. I love everything he has ever
done. I'm sure if I could tape his toilet flushing, I'd love that too.
IMHO dear reader, if there's anything Edgar has done that you don't like,
the problem is with you, not with Edgar.
I know you're just kidding, Pete. Anyone else who takes this seriously,
flame away. I can take it.
Colin, I envy you your towel. No offense intended, but keep your wife.
I'll take the towel.
After listening to TD continuously for 26 years, all I can say is:
Tangerine Dream rules and Edgar Froese is a god!
Ciao -- Mark (...how can 'Edgar Froese-The Worlds Number One' be off
topic?...)
From:
Éric Rochon
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 10:34
pm
Subject: Looking for my branch TT2
Hi folks
This message goes to my branch. Could you get in touch with me so we could
agree to some trade or
exchange. The reason I am going via the group is that I can't read properly
my branch email. Sorry !!
Éric
From:
'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 10:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Album length (was 'Nostagy', whatever that is)
----- Original Message -----
From:
> I can't see how simply dropping tracks off an album would make it better.
Because limiting oneself, and being able to focus creative powers, is an art
in itself. At least a virtue.
Glenn
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 11:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Album length
Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
>
> > I can't see how simply dropping tracks off an album would make it
> > better.
>
> Because limiting oneself, and being able to focus creative powers, is
> an art in itself. At least a virtue.
>
> Glenn
Erm... Glenn, aren't you being a little presumptuous?
Only the artist can judge what 'fits' and what doesn't, and only the
artist can decide what an 'album-size' amount of music is, and only the
artist can decide when the music is 'ready'.
Once upon a time, an artist went into the studio once or twice a month to
record something and it was the record company executives who decided
what to release as singles, what should be put on albums, what should be
on side-A and what should be on side-B, and what should be used to 'fill'
the LP out. But those days are long over.
I'm not so naive as to think that no artists add 'filler', but I don't
think many do -- at least, I don't think many non-pop artists do.
Why do you think if Edgar produced less music that it would be 'better'?
Of course, 'better' is purely subjective and from a personal viewpoint
usually means 'that I like more'.
Following this line of reasoning, if there are tracks that you find don't
fit, you always have the option to program your CD player or to burn your
own compilation.
You know, creativity is not a limited thing. Often, the more one creates,
the more one is able to create. It does not come from a store house that
can become depleted. Creativity is like a muscle. The more you use it,
the bigger it gets.
How big can it get? That's limited only by one's imagination, and it's
imagination that may be in short supply.
Sorry but I don't think that 'focus creative powers' is meaningful.
Ciao -- Mark
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:48
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] BLUE CRUSH + US Priority Rates
This is interesting - is this Blue Crush movie out yet? I've been out of
the movie scene lately.
I also want to mention a bit of news for me about the new USA priority mail
rates.
I just found out that since PRIORITY mail went up, they also have started to
price the mail by ZIP CODE. So when I send something from New York to
California, it costs more than sending it to my next door neighbor - and
before it didn't matter. Now I know why the same package costs more to
different addresses! So some of us may have to re-think what we have to
charge for priority mail in the USA. Slowly the USPS is looking like FedEx
and UPS. I still like the idea of paying one price whether if it goes next
door or to Alaska or Hawaii.
Vic
P.S. Still listening to Evolution of DSOM - just great!
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Jean
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:30 PM
Subject: [tadream] New Haslinger Movie Score BLUE CRUSH
> http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id=1808396025&cf=cast&intl=us
>
From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:40
am
Subject: Re: Tr:Booked til 2007
It's not that hard to cancel a concert as we in the US know only too well.
8-( Dell
>That said, I recall a quote from Edgar saying TD was fully booked until
>2007. Am I wrong?
>
>Thomas
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From:
Philip Meyer
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 5:11
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] downloaders please report
Hi 'Admin' ,
>Did you see my post on the Beetles?
>I am almost sure there is a tad more to this than what I dug up so far.
>
Erm... let's just say that I'm a little bit behind with the mailing list emails.
12577 unread at the moment ;) I just search through occasionally for topics of
interest, whilst I catch up.
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 5:51
am
Subject: the power of three
I think there is a certain dimension when you have three people collaborating
that is missing when you have only two. So, I agree with the thoughts being
passed around vis a vis thoughts for a third person.
I can also see the comment that someone made about that person being a dj.
Some of the techno production techniques that I hear employed on recent td
releases add a cool element to the music, imo.
If nothing else, I find it interesting to work with people who are just
discovering the importance of the cutoff control on a filter, for example...
people who are new to synthesizers perhaps. I imagine (well, I don't have to
imagine) that if you've been around synths for say twenty years or so, you
start to take things for granted and it starts to lose a little of the
freshness. (unless you make an effort to counter that)
I used to be pretty much anti- dance and dj type music, but having been
involved with some people in that area these past couple years, I find a good
energy and freshness there and an 'honest' approach to the gear/software in
terms of production that seems to sometimes be lacking in the traditional em
arena.
to me, it seems that em was by its very nature on the cutting edge of
experimentation with sound and composition and that's what made it exciting
seems like these days, one could say that many of the pioneers and their
would-be heirs have fallen asleep
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 5:51
am
Subject: padz
yes, thank you, marcel... I was going to mention the mellotron strings, etc.
well, and you know the problem with say mozart and bach, those dudes always
used the same string pads
...and you know Steve Hackett? He's been using that same guitar sound for
thirty years now.
BUT... the same old pad point is also very valid and well taken. It seems to
me that a good way to approach it would be to dedicate at least one session a
week or every other week (at the bare minimum) to just sound
exploration/design. Okay, I have a synth or two (or more)... back in the old
days upon purchasing a brand new synth, I would spend a while mangling all of
the onboard sounds. My policy was that even if I absolutely loved one of the
onboard sounds I would try to at least change some aspect of it to make it
different and my own. I know of other people too, whose first thing upon
getting a new piece home would be to wipe the memory.
I see a parallel to this with acoustic instruments. When you purchase a new
recorder for example, you basically have a piece of wood with holes in it.
Then you have to break it in slowly by playing it only for a few minutes the
first few days, etc.
Perhaps part of the problem is that today's new synths (both hardware AND
virtual) just have too many presets to deal with like that, and when you're
not only creating music but trying to run a record company (EF not me) and
also trying to live your life, time is probably always scarce.
Still... when you're in the realm of em, in my opinion, sound design is part
of the process, and so an effort should be made to spend at least some time
exploring new sonic realms. Heck, if nothing else, just hit the random button
on the librarian/editor!
In a message dated 8/9/2002 12:02:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
> It is weird though because they were using
> a lot of the same pads in the 70s too,
> just think of the mellotron. They used it,
> I think, for almost 10 years or so. Not that
> I'm complaining.
> I personally don't think it is about nostalgy
> at least not for me, because I never heard TD
> in my younger years
> (I feel old when I say that) plus the first
> albums from TD I heard were Tyger and LiveMiles.
> For me it's the adventure and taking time for things
> to develop what I like. The same reason I like
> the Dark Side of the Moog series a thousand miles
> better then Dream Mixes...it's got adventure and
> takes time.
> In the 70s and 80s they (and not only TD) played
> 'darker', it's more positive now...I like the dark. :-)
>
> Marcel
> http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels
> mengels@w...
>
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From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 5:51
am
Subject: number of tracks
I agree with you daniel... you don't have to listen to all the tracks, and
ones that one person dislikes might be another's favorites
I will say one thing, which is that i appreciate that a t.d. cd is mostly a
good value from a consumer pov, in the sense that they are maxing it out. it
does kind of suk imo when you spend x amount on a cd and it turns out to be
35 minutes long or something (for newer albums - i'm not talking about cds of
old albums, obviously vinyl had different time constraints).
the thing is that 'maxing out' is cool with me as long as the songs are all
on a level and not just filler
obviously the key is to maintain a balance between giving the listener good
value for their hard earned money and not just throwing stuff on there to
fill it up
In a message dated 8/9/2002 12:02:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
> ...?
>
> This makes no sense to me. True, they don't have to fill it up, but at the
> same time, you don't have to listen to it all.
>
> I can't see how simply dropping tracks off an album would make it better.
> Remember that the tracks you don't care about might be someone else's
> favorites.
>
> --Daniel
> NP: Children of Bodom - Follow the Reaper
>
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 7:42
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] padz
>well, and you know the problem with say mozart and bach, those dudes always
>used the same string pads
Wait, here's an interesting point: since several different arrangements have
been made from some classical pieces, wouldn't that be great for TD too? I
can easily imagine an orchestral version of Tangram, for instance; and
porting 7 Letters over to Mellotron etc. should be done ASAP.
>BUT... the same old pad point is also very valid and well taken. It seems
>to
>me that a good way to approach it would be to dedicate at least one session
>a
>week or every other week (at the bare minimum) to just sound
>exploration/design.
Earlier, TD really spent most of their time to this. Maybe Edgar has had
enough of both the endless designing and the sounds being stolen as presets.
Oh well, he should still at least use a wider palette. What's wrong with
reusing a sound from the 70s or the 80s anyway? Imagine taking a few
sequences off Encore, White Eagle and Underwater Sunlight; some percussion
from Le Parc; a few 76 Mellotron tapes; and a couple of other stuff from
Poland, Force Majeure, Phaedra, Lily on the Beach...
Then just compose something from those. Sounds promising. ',-)
> > It is weird though because they were using
> > a lot of the same pads in the 70s too,
> > just think of the mellotron. They used it,
> > I think, for almost 10 years or so. Not that
> > I'm complaining.
They had lotsa custom tapes so there's nothing you even could complain
about.
John Vertical
np: TT vol15. I'll post a few reviews after I've listened the whole batch
through a few times.
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From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:35
am
Subject: Pedants' corner #1032
Marcel, you asked what 'amalgamate' means. Quite simply, it is to combine.
It also has some other meanings to do with mixing with mercury, with
particular reference to the filling used in dentistry, but that wasn't what
I had in mind when I wrote it. But these are would make it an even more
interesting track title - because you can then spin off from mercury the
element to mercury the planet and Mercury the classical god.....
But what I really meant was just that they could join together to make
something new with neither dominating the other.
LnH
Marion
From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:51
am
Subject: Nostalgia
Marcel speculated 'Most non-EM listeners know TD from the Phaedra and
Rubycon area.
Is it because it was played on the radio by John Peel?'
I don't think it can be - most of my non-EM loving friends weren't around
then! There just seems to be this universal archetype floating around, of
TD as a band that plays long pieces of spacey, purely electronic music.
Many people don't even know they're still recording these days, or only
know of their more recent soundtrack music.
Although, come to think of it, maybe the archetype, at least in the UK, did
originate in those days, with John Peel's radio show and the Coventry
Cathedral concert on TV. Those are the times when they were most in the
public eye. Even people who didn't like the music knew who they were.
In fact, I can remember as far back as the early eighties, a friend of mine
criticising me for not liking any 'modern' music, then being surprised to
hear that TD was still recording. (His next comment was to ask me whether
they'd 'got that flute patch right yet'. Needless to say, we are no longer
friends. )
LnH
Marion
From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 10:04
am
Subject: Edinburgh dreamers get together
Is anybody interested in coming to a get together in Edinburgh (just a pub
night)? I've been bouncing this idea around for a while, and there are now
three other 'listizens' who also think it could be a good idea.
It's an opportunity to get to know each other, make contacts for potential
trades, car shares to events etc., and just have a good night out with
like-minded people.
It would probably be in early September, once the Festival crowds have gone
down a bit.
If anybody wants to come from further afield, I can put up three people (or
a couple and two others) in reasonable comfort.
Let me know off-list if you're interested. If you can't make any dates in
early September, but would like to know if we do it again, let me know.
LnH
Marion
From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 10:57
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] the power of three
On 10 Aug 2002 at 1:51, Liondream@a... wrote:
> I think there is a certain dimension when you have three people
> collaborating that is missing when you have only two. So, I agree with
> the thoughts being passed around vis a vis thoughts for a third
> person.
I've learnt at university that dyads and triads are quite different
psychologically. Maybe that has and had an impact on the musical
dynamic between the three or two members of TD at the time.
Dennis
From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 10:57
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Extracts from Poland
I owned this CD ages ago thinking that it was the full version of Poland,
until Morgan kindly bought the 2CD version including Tangent and
Rarebird for me. I sold on the 'extracts' CD to a 2nd-hand CD shop in
Canterbury and got about £4 for it.
So either I was ripped off, or the CD isn't that rare.
Dennis
On 9 Aug 2002 at 16:00, miles macmillan wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I recently acquired the CD, Extracts From Poland on the Jive Electro
> label. The CD has just 3 songs from Poland instead of 4 and I am
> guessing they are identical to the versions that I already have on my
> Poland CD since the time lengths are virtually the same. Can anyone
> tell me if this CD is rare or pretty common and whether it is worth
> keeping for any reason, except for completion purposes. Sorry, I
> don't remember it being discussed during the last Poland thread a
> while back. Thanks.
>
> Miles MacMillan
>
> P.S. If there is anyone out there who uses Cubase VST 32 and the
> Audigy Platinum EX Soundcard and has time to answer a question
> offlist, please contact me.
>
>
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From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 12:53
pm
Subject: Edgar Froese
I think as far as Iam concerned, Edgar IS Tangerine Dream. The 3 members is
the best format for the band, with only 2, too much control is asserted from
1 or 2 people. Three gives you a fine triangle of 2 with 1, 1 against 2
etc.
I, personally, am stuck in the 80's, and find the latest TD stuff alright
but not classic. My first album(!) was 'White Eagle'. I do think something
died when Chris left the band, but with TD the very great seems to come out
of ashes of the poor- Force Majeure for example. 'Cyclone' was not regarded
as a good album. Is it just me or should TD never try vocals?
Saying that, I found DM1 and 2 good, but DM3 better for the inclosion of
80's material.
Someone suggested I set fire to 'Sohoman' and dance round it, where do I get
the 'real Sohoman' and replacements mentioned? (by the way, burning CD's
smell awfull!!- just a joke!!!)
Paulus.d_uk
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From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:07
pm
Subject: Old Stories
Perhaps one of you kind fellows out there can send me any info on the Chris
Franke leaving story? This is probably a topic either already disscussed way
back, but I dont know what happened!!
Use my personal email address for this if it is off topic for the rest of
the group.
Thanks Paulus.d@f...
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From:
'sequentc'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:08
pm
Subject: TD Web Virtual Bulletin Board
Is it not about time that this TD list moved on and went to a web-based
community forum where this could be broken down into topics rather than the
current emails that we have i.e. in date order only .......... surely it is
about time that we looked to migrate elsewhere and changed the whole concept
of how things are discussed..............it would be easier to search if
everyone replied to specific topics and threads would be categorised instead
of the current mess that we have on this list ?!
Currently everyone just sends emails to the list that either 'disappear' and
never get replied to ....or we all have to read emails that may not be of
interest to us, with the new web based forums, new topics can be created or
current topics can be replied to.... the whole database is searchable...etc
etc ..........
check out the following location for software and the new web discussion
boards that I am sure will become more common place soon:
Software:
http://www.vbulletin.com/
Sample of the new discussion boards
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/
If there is no interest on this list to go that way....then I may buy my own
Vbulletin licence and go out on the Internet myself and create my own
Electronic Music Web Bulletin Forum ?!
Munt1
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Album length
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Mark Filipak'
> Erm... Glenn, aren't you being a little presumptuous?
I dont think so, unless you took my statement in a narrow meaning.
> Only the artist can judge what 'fits' and what doesn't, and only the
> artist can decide what an 'album-size' amount of music is, and only the
> artist can decide when the music is 'ready'.
This doesnt contradict what I said. When an artist has filled up an album
and thinks his work is ready, he could give it another look and see if it
can be improved by cutting away something. That's the art - to improve on
something you think is ready. And it is always more difficult to cut away
than add on something that is 'ready'.
I am not saying that removing tracks always will make an album better.
Sometimes that is all that it takes though. But to remove from something you
think is as good as it can be, hurts more than adding to it, therefore it's
a greater art.
> Once upon a time, an artist went into the studio once or twice a month to
> record something and it was the record company executives who decided
> what to release as singles, what should be put on albums, what should be
> on side-A and what should be on side-B, and what should be used to 'fill'
> the LP out. But those days are long over.
Those days are over? Hardly. Only for artists that are on their own labels
or have small independant contracts. The music industry controls artists
more now than ever. What is even more sad, is that before you had several
big record companies so you had more choice as an artist, but now many have
merged so in reality you only have 4-5 mega big companies to turn to.
> I'm not so naive as to think that no artists add 'filler', but I don't
> think many do -- at least, I don't think many non-pop artists do.
Non-pop artists arent always more 'artistic' than pop artists. Just because
you work with synthesizers, doesnt mean you have more artistic vision that
someone who plays piano or guitars.
> Why do you think if Edgar produced less music that it would be 'better'?
Producing music is not the same as releasing music. Produce as much as you
want Edgar, but you dont have to release it all.
> Following this line of reasoning, if there are tracks that you find don't
> fit, you always have the option to program your CD player or to burn your
> own compilation.
This will always be the case with anyone buying any music, since you can
never please everybody, so I find this argument totally irrelevant. And
following your line of reasoning, there is never anything the artist cant
remove from his album.
> You know, creativity is not a limited thing. Often, the more one creates,
> the more one is able to create. It does not come from a store house that
> can become depleted. Creativity is like a muscle. The more you use it,
> the bigger it gets.
But any number of artists will also tell you that if you limit your tools,
you have to depend more on your creativity to create something interesting.
With more tools, it's easy to be lazy. Let's say Edgar can only make 4
tracks for his next album. That should present another set of challenges
than compared to the nowadays standard 10-12 track albums. The framework of
only 4 tracks is one production tool so why not see what he can do with it.
> Sorry but I don't think that 'focus creative powers' is meaningful.
Compare that to an athlete who trains and trains for 3 years to participate
in the Olympics. Everything he does is focused on those 40 seconds or
whatever that will be the peak of his carreer. If he focus as much energy on
any local tournament, he will be spread too thin when the Olympics arrive.
Glenn
From:
'Paul Dryden'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Extracts from Poland
Hang on a minute-whats rarebird?
The Jive electro album don't have that on it!
Paulus.d_uk
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Dennis Nigbur'
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Extracts from Poland
I owned this CD ages ago thinking that it was the full version of Poland,
until Morgan kindly bought the 2CD version including Tangent and
Rarebird for me. I sold on the 'extracts' CD to a 2nd-hand CD shop in
Canterbury and got about £4 for it.
So either I was ripped off, or the CD isn't that rare.
Dennis
On 9 Aug 2002 at 16:00, miles macmillan wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I recently acquired the CD, Extracts From Poland on the Jive Electro
> label. The CD has just 3 songs from Poland instead of 4 and I am
> guessing they are identical to the versions that I already have on my
> Poland CD since the time lengths are virtually the same. Can anyone
> tell me if this CD is rare or pretty common and whether it is worth
> keeping for any reason, except for completion purposes. Sorry, I
> don't remember it being discussed during the last Poland thread a
> while back. Thanks.
>
> Miles MacMillan
>
> P.S. If there is anyone out there who uses Cubase VST 32 and the
> Audigy Platinum EX Soundcard and has time to answer a question
> offlist, please contact me.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 2:32
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
Ah, the old stories... 8^)
Paul Dryden wrote:
>
> Perhaps one of you kind fellows out there can send me any info on the
> Chris Franke leaving story? This is probably a topic either already
> disscussed way back, but I dont know what happened!!
Well, no one here really knows the full story except maybe Martin -- care
to comment, Martin? ;-)
Here's what Chris told Elana:
'In 1988, I recommended to the group that this would be a perfect time
for us to take a break. We would have enough financial funds to
survive a very long rest. No record company would sue us because we
had finalized all the contracts. 1988 was the first time this kind
of break was possible since my early childhood.
'The idea of a group break was pretty popular in Edgar's mind. He was
seriously considering it. But with so many business possibilities
striking his office every day, he changed his mind at the last
moment.' - CF (to Elana Mell Beach).
On the TDI web site, Edgar says that in 17 years of collaboration he and
Chris met socially only once, when Chris' wife invited Edgar and Monika
to their home for dinner.
I get the strong sense from other interviews that Edgar resents Chris'
use of some of the themes developed when they were together, especially
stuff on 'The London Concert'.
I understand that both guys are very friendly and have a well developed
sense of humor, but something is not being said. Perhaps some day we will
get the full story.
Jealousy? Possessiveness? Disrespect? Clash of business/artist goals?
Probably all of the above. All my opinion of course.
Ciao -- Mark
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 2:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Album length
Hi Glenn!
Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Mark Filipak'
>
> > Erm... Glenn, aren't you being a little presumptuous?
>
> I dont think so, unless you took my statement in a narrow meaning.
>
> > Only the artist can judge what 'fits' and what doesn't, and only the
> > artist can decide what an 'album-size' amount of music is, and only
> > the artist can decide when the music is 'ready'.
>
> This doesnt contradict what I said. When an artist has filled up an
> album and thinks his work is ready, he could give it another look and
> see if it can be improved by cutting away something.
How many 'another looks' would that be? Most of the folks I know already
do that.
> That's the art - to improve on something you think is ready. And it
> is always more difficult to cut away than add on something that is
> 'ready'.
>
> I am not saying that removing tracks always will make an album better.
> Sometimes that is all that it takes though. But to remove from
> something you think is as good as it can be, hurts more than adding to
> it, therefore it's a greater art.
How many times have I read of an EM artist anguishing over what to cut
out to fit on an LP or a CD? ...
> > Once upon a time, an artist went into the studio once or twice a
> > month to record something and it was the record company executives
> > who decided what to release as singles, what should be put on
> > albums, what should be on side-A and what should be on side-B, and
> > what should be used to 'fill' the LP out. But those days are long
> > over.
>
> Those days are over? Hardly. Only for artists that are on their own
> labels or have small independant contracts. The music industry
> controls artists more now than ever. What is even more sad, is that
> before you had several big record companies so you had more choice
> as an artist, but now many have merged so in reality you only have
> 4-5 mega big companies to turn to.
Oh, I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as it was, but before you
object, note that I did give myself an out by allowing that pop artists,
who are the people the 'biggies' screw with the most, do get chopped and
diced by the rec. execs. Anyway, I was implicitely referring to EM
artists.
> > I'm not so naive as to think that no artists add 'filler', but I
> > don't think many do -- at least, I don't think many non-pop artists
> > do.
>
> Non-pop artists arent always more 'artistic' than pop artists.
I didn't say they were. I merely said that they were popular.
> Just because you work with synthesizers, doesnt mean you have more
> artistic vision that someone who plays piano or guitars.
Of course not. You don't expect me to rise to that kind of bait, do you?
Ah well, troll on...
> > Why do you think if Edgar produced less music that it would be
> > 'better'?
>
> Producing music is not the same as releasing music. Produce as much
> as you want Edgar, but you dont have to release it all.
He, and only he will decide that.
> > Following this line of reasoning, if there are tracks that you find
> > don't fit, you always have the option to program your CD player or
> > to burn your own compilation.
>
> This will always be the case with anyone buying any music, since you
> can never please everybody, so I find this argument totally
> irrelevant. And following your line of reasoning, there is never
> anything the artist cant remove from his album.
That's true. The artist can remove the entire album, at least before
contracts are signed. The artist decides. I find it presumptuous of you
to second guess any artist, especially EM artists who know they are going
to sell 500 to 1000 CDs at best. If that's the situation, what does it
matter whether the album gets out one month latter or not. Most of the
musos on the lists I frequent couldn't give a snot about schedules until
the papers are signed.
> > You know, creativity is not a limited thing. Often, the more one
> > creates, the more one is able to create. It does not come from a
> > store house that can become depleted. Creativity is like a muscle.
> > The more you use it, the bigger it gets.
>
> But any number of artists will also tell you that if you limit your
> tools, you have to depend more on your creativity to create something
> interesting. With more tools, it's easy to be lazy. Let's say Edgar
> can only make 4 tracks for his next album. That should present another
> set of challenges than compared to the nowadays standard 10-12 track
> albums. The framework of only 4 tracks is one production tool so why
> not see what he can do with it.
Edgar makes the music he wants to make. He has all the tools he wants and
he employs them exactly the way he wants, including the 'cut' function in
his sound editor.
> > Sorry but I don't think that 'focus creative powers' is meaningful.
>
> Compare that to an athlete who trains and trains for 3 years to
> participate in the Olympics. Everything he does is focused on those
> 40 seconds or whatever that will be the peak of his carreer. If he
> focus as much energy on any local tournament, he will be spread too
> thin when the Olympics arrive.
Hmmm... Truely, 'A Time For Heroes.'
I have an idea, Glenn. Next time you play a TD album, hold your finger on
the fast play button.
> Glenn
Bye Glenn. -- Mark
From:
'Pete Dandy'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1447
> > >
> > Jees buddy your weirdness is freakin me out !!!! there`s being a
>fan and all
> > but i think you are 'in love' with Edgar . pssss ......does your
>wife know
>
> > about it ???? ;)
> >
> > Pete
> > Hello Pete
> Yes my wife does know about it,she quite fancies Edgar herself,we
>sleep with Edgars towel which i got at Shepherds Bush concert of
>12,5,01 every night,she seems to think that EF is the Stud of the
>music scene.
> Best regards
> CJ
> >
Ha Ha ! Now i know your only joking !!!!!! maybe your wife has threesome
fantasies with you and Edgar banging away to Dream Mixes :)
or even Gobblings club ;)
I wouldn't`t sleep with that towel after that night . YOW !!!!!
Pete
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:05
pm
Subject: Legal Live Tape trading network
Hi guys,
check this out, there's a filesharing network to trade live
concerts, but only from bands who've officially allowed this:
http://furthurnet.com
The band's consent is entered through BTAT (Bands that allow
taping):
http://btat.wagnerone.com
You'll see a few illustrous names on the list, not only the
usual dopehead suspects. AC/DC, Pearl Jam, REM, Dire Straits,
Metallica...
Something we want to adverstise with TDI ?
cheers
klaus
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From:
Robert Grabowsky
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:16
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Web Virtual Bulletin Board
I am perfectly happy with the way things are. Leave 'US' alone.
THE HIGHLANDER
At 02:08 PM 8/10/02 -0700, you wrote:
>Is it not about time that this TD list moved on and went to a web-based
>community forum where this could be broken down into topics rather than the
>current emails that we have i.e. in date order only .......... surely it is
>about time that we looked to migrate elsewhere and changed the whole concept
>of how things are discussed..............it would be easier to search if
>everyone replied to specific topics and threads would be categorised instead
>of the current mess that we have on this list ?!
>
>Currently everyone just sends emails to the list that either 'disappear' and
>never get replied to ....or we all have to read emails that may not be of
>interest to us, with the new web based forums, new topics can be created or
>current topics can be replied to.... the whole database is searchable...etc
>etc ..........
>
>check out the following location for software and the new web discussion
>boards that I am sure will become more common place soon:
>
>Software:
>http://www.vbulletin.com/
>
>Sample of the new discussion boards
>http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/
>
>
>If there is no interest on this list to go that way....then I may buy my own
>Vbulletin licence and go out on the Internet myself and create my own
>Electronic Music Web Bulletin Forum ?!
>
>Munt1
>
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From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Extracts from Poland
Is it the Teldec one. If it is it is very, very rare.
Now, see if it is made in Japn or Germany. The
Japanese one is the first run.
Wade
--- miles macmillan wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I recently acquired the CD, Extracts From Poland on
> the Jive Electro label. The CD has just 3 songs
> from Poland instead of 4 and I am guessing they are
> identical to the versions that I already have on my
> Poland CD since the time lengths are virtually the
> same. Can anyone tell me if this CD is rare or
> pretty common and whether it is worth keeping for
> any reason, except for completion purposes. Sorry,
> I don't remember it being discussed during the last
> Poland thread a while back. Thanks.
>
> Miles MacMillan
>
> P.S. If there is anyone out there who uses Cubase
> VST 32 and the Audigy Platinum EX Soundcard and has
> time to answer a question offlist, please contact
> me.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
>
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:19
pm
Subject: Rarebird?
>From: 'Paul Dryden'
>Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 10:24 am
>Subject: Re: [tadream] Extracts from Poland
>
>Hang on a minute-whats rarebird?
>The Jive electro album don't have that on it!
>Paulus.d_uk
You have the double CD?
It's the last 5 minutes of the first disc. Some of the double CD sets have
blue printing on the CDs. In this case, Rarebird is a separate unlisted
index on disc 1. Some double CD sets have brown printing on the CDs.
Rarebird is folded into Tangent, in this case so you must fast forward to
get to it.
The only reason Rarebird appears at the end of the first disc is that some
lazy studio engineer simply laid down to CD the master tapes TD provided
for the vinyl release which had to have no more than 20-22 minutes per
side. When the vinyl was being produced, Rarebird would not fit at the end
of the 2nd LP, which would have been chronologically accurate as to where
it appeared in the concert (as the first of 3 encores, the other 2 being
White Eagle and Choronzon).
I wonder what would be involved in officially licensing Poland from Jive
Electro and re-releasing it as an 80 minute CD with all of the music. I and
a few others on the list have successfully trimmed the introduction in
Polish, some of the applause, and repaired the fade out-in between Poland
and Tangent to successfully get every scrap of music on a single CD. I also
put Rarebird at the end of the disc. :)
It's sad that it is very hard for new (or existing) TD fans to find the
clunky 2 disc set just so they can get all the music.
I wonder how many people would be interested in buying, outright, a single
CD of Poland if it were officially licensed and produced.
The other possibility is for me to go out and buy 10 copies of Extracts or
Excerpts of Poland and then re-sell them with a 'bonus disc' as I describe,
or with JUST the 80 minute disc and a note indicating that the original CD
has been destroyed. I could include a shard of the CD as proof :)
-Morgan
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:25
pm
Subject: vst
If you have any Cubase questions you can drop me a line. I may or may not be
able to help. :-)
All of your questions can also probably be answered at www.kvr-vst.com
In a message dated 8/10/2002 5:55:33 AM Central Daylight Time,
tadream@yahoogroups.com writes:
> Miles MacMillan
>
> P.S. If there is anyone out there who uses Cubase VST 32 and the Audigy
> Platinum EX Soundcard and has time to answer a question offlist, please
> contact me.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:26
pm
Subject: remastering
Then Jerome could probably retire as well and all of the talented fans could
just carry on for themselves. Cool.
:-(
<<>>
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:38
pm
Subject: Gaining access to the tape vault (was: [tadream] Rarebird?)
Howdeeee!
Morgan Feldon experienced a die-hard brain storm and wrote:
>
> I wonder how many people would be interested in buying, outright, a
> single CD of Poland if it were officially licensed and produced.
Good idea! How about this:
How much money would it cost to produce a real, pressed disc? $3000?
$4000?
Suppose we put together a company to do that. We sell enough discs to
break even, hmmm... say, 200 to 300 discs, and then we turn the glass
master over to Edgar to do with as he sees fit. I'll bet he presses more
discs, from which he could keep the money. ...Just might convince him
that we could be trusted inside the tape vault.
Just a thought.... Mark
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:42
pm
Subject: Bulletin Board
>From: sequentc
>
>Is it not about time that this TD list moved on and went to a web-based
>community forum where this could be broken down into topics rather than the
>current emails that we have i.e. in date order only .......... surely it is
>about time that we looked to migrate elsewhere and changed the whole concept
>of how things are discussed..............it would be easier to search if
>everyone replied to specific topics and threads would be categorised instead
>of the current mess that we have on this list ?!
I agree that the current format of the list is frustrating. There are
topics I'd like to see, but they are considered taboo or too off-topic to
discuss, then I see 30 Hero-worship e-mails about Edgar and philosophizing
on what makes TD great, etc. etc. I'd rather not read. No wonder so many
people unsubscribe from the list.
>Currently everyone just sends emails to the list that either 'disappear' and
>never get replied to ....or we all have to read emails that may not be of
>interest to us, with the new web based forums, new topics can be created or
>current topics can be replied to.... the whole database is searchable...etc
>etc ..........
Because of this we re-hash the same topics over and over and it is very
very difficult for a new member to go back and read what may be excellent
comments about a certain topic posted 6 months or a year ago.
>check out the following location for software and the new web discussion
>boards that I am sure will become more common place soon:
I do believe vBulletin is being considered.
>If there is no interest on this list to go that way....then I may buy my own
>Vbulletin licence and go out on the Internet myself and create my own
>Electronic Music Web Bulletin Forum ?!
>
>Munt1
The last time I posted about moving this list to an online multi-threaded
forum, there was vehement resistance, and even acidic responses. This
resistance was 80% 'I don't want to do anything new' or 'leave us alone' or
'it's fine the way it is', 15% 'I pay a lot for internet per-minute so
reading on a website will be slow and cost me more money' and 5% 'I don't
have a PC or Mac at home'.
Well, Yahoo is barraging us with ads, making things difficult, and who
knows how long before the pull the plug on us. So the probability of moving
somewhere is already being considered. The question is, do we stick with
the current list format, or go to something that is not a 20 year old format.
As much as people protest, you simply don't know what a message board is
like until you have tried it. It's simply incredible.
For instance, the last 30 messages or so about what makes Edgar great, will
he ever retire, Jerome's input, etc. have all been discussed in the past,
but it is very difficult to go back and access that information. Wouldn't
it be nice if every posting/comment/question about those subjects were all
in a single page? Also, I am sure there are many people here on the list
who have heard it 3-4 times before and if they could, would choose not to
read it.
Also, we have seen times when people will start talking about Klaus Schulze
and then someone pipes up 'isn't this the TD list?'. It would be nice if
people could talk about KS or other artists all they want and if you don't
want to read it, you simply don't read the 'Other Artists' area of the
message board.
Bill Fox, Vic Rek and others keep announcing playlists for their radio
shows and online music streaming programs. I think it's great that they are
providing this information, but since I cannot hear Bill's shows, I really
wish this whole discussion could also be under its own area 'Radio Shows'
which would be optional reading.
I know people will say 'just read the subject line and ignore the e-mail
based on that' but how often do people fill out subject lines right? And it
still takes time to download those messages or skip past them.
I think it's madness that we will talk about a certain subject for a few
days and it is mixed in with other e-mails about totally different topics
and gets very difficult to follow. I would much rather have one topic
dedicated to the TT2 distribution, one topic dedicated to the technical
details behind how TT2 was created, the disc formats (I remember a LOT of
people were turned off or even pissed off that we kept talking about the
itty-bitty details of SHN and redbook copying on the list!!), and finally
the music, each in its own topic.
The #1 reason people have given Joe for leaving this list is the amount of
e-mail that comes in and what is described as signal-to-noise ratio, which
in this case simply refers to the amount of total # of e-mails that come in
vs. the # of e-mails which that subscriber is actually interested in. An
online forum would dramatically increase that ratio. Also, it would allow
us to go more often on tangents without feeling guilty!
I know I've wanted to say things and discuss certain topics but I know the
majority of the list does not want to discuss them. With an online forum, I
can create a whole topic on that that people can skip over.
Finally, we are a large community of people and we don't always want to
talk about TD. There are times when we want to go totally off-topic and get
the advice or comments of others here. Like announcing a birth, a wedding,
etc. or asking which CD-R to buy, which computer to buy, how to fix up
their house, when we can have get-togethers like Marion's Edinburgh
gathering. This is the perfect topic for a 'Coffee House' area. It would be
within the tadream forum/message board, BUT could be completely ignored by
people who are not interested. They're also welcome to browse the list of
topic headings (which contain all the replies) and read the ones that
interest them.
Now, there ARE a lot of people who prefer and are happy to read the list by
e-mail, and there are several people who only have a computer at work to
read the list.
There is no way that the tadream list would jump to a web-only solution and
leave these members in the lurch. There are extensions and plugins to the
forum software which would allow it to automatically send out daily digests
and possibly individual e-mails. Ideally, those people who want to keep
reading in a list format would see very little difference.
The best part, I think, of the forum messaging software, is that each of us
can put a photo of ourselves, our location (city/state/country), a list of
interests, our favorite albums/concerts, etc. into online profiles which
are automatically seen in each message we post.
This is not something being taken lightly, as tadream has been a list for
10 years now. Forums are not just the 'latest whizbang invention' where we
would be guinea pigs.
I started out on lists and now I participate in 3 forums and moderate 2
others. It is so cool to be able to look at-a-glance and reply to topics
that interest me, Subscribe to certain topics which I would like to be
e-mailed about and to be able to set certain other members to *ignore*,
which causes messages by that user to not be displayed when you read the
forums.
I have to wonder are the people who are resisting the idea of moving to a
modern forum/messageboard doing it because they dislike change, or because
they have actually used a forum for 3-4 days and prefer a free-for-all flat
e-mail list that we have now?
-Morgan
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From:
Deb H-J
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 4:01
pm
Subject: TT2 Biz - Contacting Chris Towers
Folks:
I am on Chris Tower's branch and need him to contact
me. His address, as listed in the chart, keeps giving
me a returned message.
Adios,
Deb H-J
dhj4@y...
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 4:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bulletin Board
Howdy.
Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
-snip-
> The #1 reason people have given Joe for leaving this list is the
> amount of e-mail that comes in and what is described as signal-to-
>noise ratio, which in this case simply refers to the amount of total
> # of e-mails that come in vs. the # of e-mails which that subscriber
> is actually interested in.
There currently are 515 Tadream subscribers. That's about as high as it
has ever been.
> An online forum would dramatically increase that ratio. Also, it
> would allow us to go more often on tangents without feeling guilty!
It's a TD fan list, Morgan. I'd say: 'Start your own list', but I know
that you've done that already. Aren't you happy with it?
> I know I've wanted to say things and discuss certain topics but I
> know the majority of the list does not want to discuss them. With an
> online forum, I can create a whole topic on that that people can skip
> over.
A forum would become 'N' number of separate lists. And people would post
off-topic messages so that it would quickly become 'N' number of parallel
lists, each duplicating parts of a discussion and leaving out other
parts. Cross-posts to such a setup would be the rule, not the exception.
> Finally, we are a large community of people and we don't always want
> to talk about TD. There are times when we want to go totally off-topic
> and get the advice or comments of others here. Like announcing a
> birth, a wedding, etc. or asking which CD-R to buy, which computer to
> buy, how to fix up their house, when we can have get-togethers like
> Marion's Edinburgh gathering. This is the perfect topic for a 'Coffee
> House' area.
There's always private email you know. (...just a suggestion...)
Ciao -- Mark
From:
Scribe1964@a...
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 4:31
pm
Subject: Keep on Orange Records?
Hello everyone. Has anyone seen the version of The Keep on Orange Records?
I'm assuming this is just another bootleg, but I keep seeing it on Ebay and
it looks pretty well done. Any info would be appreciated.
--Scribe
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Web Virtual Bulletin Board
----- Original Message -----
From: 'sequentc'
> Is it not about time that this TD list moved on and went to a web-based
> community forum where this could be broken down into topics rather than
the
> current emails that we have i.e. in date order only ......
I think going web based would be a step back, both in terms of convenience
and design.
You also have to think about all those people with dial-up connections to
the net. For them email is way way more convenient than using a web based
interface. When going on the web, you have to download much more data than
with emails.
>it would be easier to search if
> everyone replied to specific topics and threads would be categorised
instead
> of the current mess that we have on this list ?!
Dont you have a search feature in your Hotmail account? Try to download into
a mail client if you dont.
Glenn
From:
'bigstupidgeek'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 4:43
pm
Subject: Re: Bulletin Board
OK, just so you folks know, we have already been working on this.
(right this moent in fact!) I know we've always been toying with
different alternatives to yahoo for years, and along the way we
almost left, but stayed because it offered the most stable ongoing
environment.
The idea is that if you want to continue via e-mail only, the way you
do now, you can. However, Morgan is right, and there are ways to
make things better for this community that were are installing as I
type.
We'll send out the prototype url soon (days) and explain a lot of
what's changing, what's not, and what's to come.
Thanks for your patience,
Joe Shoults
--- In tadream@y..., Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> >From: sequentc
> >
> >Is it not about time that this TD list moved on and went to a web-
based
> >community forum where this could be broken down into topics rather
etc.
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 4:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board
bigstupidgeek, da' Boss, wrote:
>
> OK, just so you folks know, we have already been working on this.
> (right this moent in fact!) I know we've always been toying with
> different alternatives to yahoo for years, and along the way we
> almost left, but stayed because it offered the most stable ongoing
> environment.
>
> The idea is that if you want to continue via e-mail only, the way you
> do now, you can. However, Morgan is right, and there are ways to
> make things better for this community that were are installing as I
> type.
>
> We'll send out the prototype url soon (days) and explain a lot of
> what's changing, what's not, and what's to come.
Great! Maybe someone will help me with my javascript in the 'Javascript'
section of the forum.
Ciao -- Mark
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 5:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bulletin Board
Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> I have to wonder are the people who are resisting the idea of moving to a
> modern forum/messageboard doing it because they dislike change, or because
> they have actually used a forum for 3-4 days and prefer a free-for-all flat
> e-mail list that we have now?
Since you ask, I actually used a certain forum for a few days, but as it
was not free-for-all (using your own words), I gave up. Sorry Morgan,
but you missed the opportunity to show me the advantages of a forum...
Antonio
np: TD - Brighton Dome 1981-10-17
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 5:18
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bulletin Board
Well, Antonio...
Antonio Nunes wrote:
>
> Morgan Feldon wrote:
> >
> > I have to wonder are the people who are resisting the idea of moving
> > to a modern forum/messageboard doing it because they dislike change,
> > or because they have actually used a forum for 3-4 days and prefer a
> > free-for-all flat e-mail list that we have now?
>
> Since you ask, I actually used a certain forum for a few days, but as
> it was not free-for-all (using your own words), I gave up. Sorry
> Morgan, but you missed the opportunity to show me the advantages of a
> forum...
Joe runs this list and though I forecast disaster -- I sincerely hope I'm
wrong -- I'll stand behind anything Joe decides.
Joe, please have 'test period' and a fall-back strategy.
My fear: The list as-we-have-known-it will cease to exist and will become
an array of semi-private lists. There are about a dozen regular posters.
That means there are over 500 lurkers who sometimes post, but mostly rely
on the list for up-to-date information. Though they could continue to
lurk, I suspect that they won't.
Also, though I will continue to receive the reflections as I do now, I
will probably greatly curtail my participation -- some will cry, 'Yea!'
-- as I won't be able to post from my email client -- or will I?
I guess we shall all wait and see. I'll give it the ol' college try.
Ciao -- Mark
From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 2:00
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
Chris Franke's departure was first announced officially in a very small
piece on page 4 of the second issue of The Tangible Dream, the old fan club
newsletter. Here's what it said.....
' 'The Change' - After a working decade of 17 years, Chris Franke decided to
work on his solo career. He said that it's time for a 'creative break'. He
spends a lot of time composing and concentrating on hard and software
development. Chris has been replaced by Ralf Vadeful (sic?), a keyboard
wizard who also works on computer terminals and is a trained audio engineer.
He has already co-composed one track of the forthcoming new studio album
'Optical Race' which will be released worl wide in July '88.'
Since then, more details have emerged in interviews regarding his leaving.
Fans naturally wanted to know more about why Chris had left so suddenly. We
eventually learned that Edgar and Chris had reputedly only ever seen each
other once outside their involvment in the band, and so many fans assumed
that their relationship was strictly professional. Chris was reported as
saying he no longer felt the band's music was challenging enough, to which
Edgar replied (in a somewhat barbed comment) that Chris should be judged on
the music he has made since leaving (i.e., his soundtrack work, which Edgar
clearly doesn't think very much of!) I seem to remember Chris also saying he
felt Edgar had agreed to do too much soundtrack work between 1983-87, and
that the work load had left Chris creatively exhausted. Extensive UK and US
tours in 1986, in addition to the regular studio LPs, didn't help either.
I don't think there was very much (if any) contact between them for many
years after Chris left, although I think I'm right in saying they have been
in touch in more recent years, if only to exchange tapes over the Atlantic
(Chris is based in LA) when collaborating on the unreleased CD for the Dream
Roots Collection.
If anyone can expand upon or correct any of this info, please do!
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Dryden
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 6:07 AM
Subject: [tadream] Old Stories
> Perhaps one of you kind fellows out there can send me any info on the
Chris
> Franke leaving story? This is probably a topic either already disscussed
way
> back, but I dont know what happened!!
>
> Use my personal email address for this if it is off topic for the rest of
> the group.
>
>
> Thanks Paulus.d@f...
>
>
>
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 6:17
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Web Virtual Bulletin Board
My two cents about this web-based idea...
> >Is it not about time that this TD list moved on and went to a web-based
> >community forum where this could be broken down into topics rather than
the
> >current emails that we have i.e. in date order only .......... surely it
is
> >about time that we looked to migrate elsewhere and changed the whole
concept
> >of how things are discussed..............it would be easier to search
if
> >everyone replied to specific topics and threads would be categorised
instead
> >of the current mess that we have on this list ?!
Why change? I am perfectly happy with the way things are. I did not
realize that we have a mess on the list? We have a digest version for those
that do not like many e-mails. I have no problem with the e-mails at all.
If I look at the topic and it doesn't interest me - I just delete the
e-mail. I do not have to read one word of it, besides the subject. But at
other times, the subject can be mis-leading and there is interesting
information in the e-mail. So what is the problem?
Also, I travel a lot and I almost always use dial-up connections, so I do
not even bring up my web-brower at times - and why would I want to get hit
with advertisement just to read my TD e-mail? I believe this list would
lose membership if we took such a direction.
> >Currently everyone just sends emails to the list that either 'disappear'
and
> >never get replied to ....or we all have to read emails that may not be of
> >interest to us, with the new web based forums, new topics can be created
or
> >current topics can be replied to.... the whole database is
searchable...etc
> >etc ..........
I can search and sort my e-mails - so the benefit escapes me.
Vic
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 6:52
pm
Subject: Forum
>Vic Rek said:
>
>Why change? I am perfectly happy with the way things are. I did not
>realize that we have a mess on the list? We have a digest version for those
>that do not like many e-mails. I have no problem with the e-mails at all.
>If I look at the topic and it doesn't interest me - I just delete the
>e-mail. I do not have to read one word of it, besides the subject. But at
>other times, the subject can be mis-leading and there is interesting
>information in the e-mail. So what is the problem?
With the forum, if people choose to continue to read it as a list, with
individual e-mails, the subject line would actually be MORE accurate.
>Also, I travel a lot and I almost always use dial-up connections, so I do
>not even bring up my web-brower at times - and why would I want to get hit
>with advertisement just to read my TD e-mail? I believe this list would
>lose membership if we took such a direction.
Don't you get ads from Yahoo now?
The forum would be completely ad-free.
And it would actually be faster to read (if you choose to read through the
website) because you only read the topics that interest you. You don't even
have to wait for the uninteresting topics to download like you do with e-mail.
Like we said, we are not going to eliminate e-mail at all. Only that e-mail
would no longer be the core of the tadream list. Instead, it would be the
backend of a more robust forum which allows us to have 200-300 messages a
day, but not everyone has to read them all.
I know I would post a lot more than I do (much to people's chagrin?),
especially about concerts but I know people would be unhappy with the flood
of e-mails they're getting. Also it's difficult to follow a conversation
with an e-mail list like this.
I guess I should just start posting everything I want and see what people
say. They'll be begging for a forum in a few weeks. I'm talking about
reviews of concerts, reviews of soundtracks, and detailed painfully
intricate conversations about Tangerine Tree 1 + 2, how they were recorded
and remastered, disgusting details about SHNs. :)
Cause I know last time I did, we had people unsubscribing left and right
and people saying they are not going to get the Tree just cause they are
tired of all the details about SHN or downloading through FTPs, etc.
-Morgan
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 7:36
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum
Hi Morgan!
Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
-snip-
> And it would actually be faster to read (if you choose to read through
> the website) because you only read the topics that interest you. You
> don't even have to wait for the uninteresting topics to download like
> you do with e-mail.
Um.. You've written quite a bit about reading messages. What about
posting messages and more importantly, replying. What are those tasks
like?
Thanks -- Mark
From:
rene.brenner@f...
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 7:48
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Keep on Orange Records?
Hello
check out this url for information regarding the new 2002 keep bootleg:
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/keepunofficial.html
i have it in case you need any additional information.
regards
rene
>-- Original Message --
>To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>From: Scribe1964@a...
>Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:31:38 EDT
>Subject: [tadream] Keep on Orange Records?
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>Hello everyone. Has anyone seen the version of The Keep on Orange Records?
>
>I'm assuming this is just another bootleg, but I keep seeing it on Ebay
and
>
>it looks pretty well done. Any info would be appreciated.
>
>--Scribe
>
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>
>Tangerine Tree info at
>http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
sunrise premiumsurf - geben Sie sich nicht mit weniger zufrieden
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 8:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar Froese
Well... one one point I think 3 to 4 work out pretty darn great. Less than
3, I agreee with you.
The other point, Dan Folgenberge's (I am sure I miss spelled this) 'Leader
of the Band' comes to mind.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Paul Dryden'
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 5:53 AM
Subject: [tadream] Edgar Froese
> I think as far as Iam concerned, Edgar IS Tangerine Dream. The 3 members
is
> the best format for the band, with only 2, too much control is asserted
from
> 1 or 2 people. Three gives you a fine triangle of 2 with 1, 1 against 2
> etc.
>
> I, personally, am stuck in the 80's, and find the latest TD stuff alright
> but not classic. My first album(!) was 'White Eagle'. I do think
something
> died when Chris left the band, but with TD the very great seems to come
out
> of ashes of the poor- Force Majeure for example. 'Cyclone' was not
regarded
> as a good album. Is it just me or should TD never try vocals?
>
> Saying that, I found DM1 and 2 good, but DM3 better for the inclosion of
> 80's material.
>
> Someone suggested I set fire to 'Sohoman' and dance round it, where do I
get
> the 'real Sohoman' and replacements mentioned? (by the way, burning CD's
> smell awfull!!- just a joke!!!)
>
> Paulus.d_uk
>
>
>
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 8:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Web Virtual Bulletin Board
Cool
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'sequentc'
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 2:08 PM
Subject: [tadream] TD Web Virtual Bulletin Board
> Is it not about time that this TD list moved on and went to a web-based
> community forum where this could be broken down into topics rather than
the
> current emails that we have i.e. in date order only .......... surely it
is
> about time that we looked to migrate elsewhere and changed the whole
concept
> of how things are discussed..............it would be easier to search if
> everyone replied to specific topics and threads would be categorised
instead
> of the current mess that we have on this list ?!
>
> Currently everyone just sends emails to the list that either 'disappear'
and
> never get replied to ....or we all have to read emails that may not be of
> interest to us, with the new web based forums, new topics can be created
or
> current topics can be replied to.... the whole database is
searchable...etc
> etc ..........
>
> check out the following location for software and the new web discussion
> boards that I am sure will become more common place soon:
>
> Software:
> http://www.vbulletin.com/
>
> Sample of the new discussion boards
> http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/
>
>
> If there is no interest on this list to go that way....then I may buy my
own
> Vbulletin licence and go out on the Internet myself and create my own
> Electronic Music Web Bulletin Forum ?!
>
> Munt1
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 8:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1447
Why does visions of Sugar Plum Fairies come to mind reading this?
rrr me good eye is a bouncing a bit... perhaps a twitch....
ô0
~
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Pete Dandy'
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1447
>
>
>
> > > >
> > > Jees buddy your weirdness is freakin me out !!!! there`s being a
> >fan and all
> > > but i think you are 'in love' with Edgar . pssss ......does your
> >wife know
> >
> > > about it ???? ;)
> > >
> > > Pete
> > > Hello Pete
> > Yes my wife does know about it,she quite fancies Edgar herself,we
> >sleep with Edgars towel which i got at Shepherds Bush concert of
> >12,5,01 every night,she seems to think that EF is the Stud of the
> >music scene.
> > Best regards
> > CJ
> > >
>
>
> Ha Ha ! Now i know your only joking !!!!!! maybe your wife has threesome
> fantasies with you and Edgar banging away to Dream Mixes :)
> or even Gobblings club ;)
> I wouldn't`t sleep with that towel after that night . YOW !!!!!
>
>
> Pete
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
>
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 8:32
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bulletin Board
Jeezzzzz Did you finally find something to talk about? I was thinking you
might be a mute.
Good thoughts and concerns, don't take my silly sarcasm to heart.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 8:42 AM
Subject: [tadream] Bulletin Board
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 8:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board
Joe has been working on this for a long while.
We all know we have to escape from yahoo... just how to do so with short
funds and other concerns.
Mark pointed out the number of members. Sure some have come and gone, but
there are a lot who have stayed and read.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'bigstupidgeek'
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 9:43 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board
> OK, just so you folks know, we have already been working on this.
> (right this moent in fact!) I know we've always been toying with
> different alternatives to yahoo for years, and along the way we
> almost left, but stayed because it offered the most stable ongoing
> environment.
>
> The idea is that if you want to continue via e-mail only, the way you
> do now, you can. However, Morgan is right, and there are ways to
> make things better for this community that were are installing as I
> type.
>
> We'll send out the prototype url soon (days) and explain a lot of
> what's changing, what's not, and what's to come.
>
> Thanks for your patience,
> Joe Shoults
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 8:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum
Morgan is evil and his LFO does't have ramp!
;-)
dale
I guess I should just start posting everything I want and see what people
say. They'll be begging for a forum in a few weeks. I'm talking about
reviews of concerts, reviews of soundtracks, and detailed painfully
intricate conversations about Tangerine Tree 1 + 2, how they were recorded
and remastered, disgusting details about SHNs. :)
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 11:52 AM
Subject: [tadream] Forum
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:05
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum
Well, I went here: http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/ and clicked the
'f.a.q.' tab at the top and read how to post messages.
I highly recommend that everyone read the FAQ. It's not very long and
only a few features would probably be of interest to you.
It sure looks like webmail to me. You post through your browser. You
don't see other people's email addresses, even if you send a private
message. I couldn't find any way to reply, except maybe by posting to the
thread.
I found this on email notification:
> If you post a new thread, or reply to an existing thread, you can
> choose to be notified by email when someone else replies to that
> thread. You can also choose to receive email notifications of new
> posts in a thread without posting in that thread, by clicking the
> 'Receive updates to this thread' link displayed in the thread page.
>
> If you choose to stop receiving email notifications from a thread,
> you can turn off the option by either editing your post, or by
> unsubscribing from the thread here.
>
> Only registered users may receive email notification, and they can
> set whether they want to receive email notification by default by
> editing their options.
>
> Email notification is also referred to as 'Thread Subscription'.
An email notification is not the same as receiving postings via email. It
sounds to me like you only receive a notification of a posting to a
thread you're subscribed to and then you have to get out your browser and
go to the web site to read the message. I couldn't find any way to
download/save the message, which if true, makes this a non-starter with
me because I save all my email for future reference and want to continue
to do so.
I read that if you aren't subscribed to the thread, like it's a new
thread, you don't get anything -- at least, that's how I interpret the
stuff above.
Morgan!!!! Do you want to help fill in the blanks here?
Ciao -- Mark
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum
Morgan Rebutted:
>
> With the forum, if people choose to continue to read it as a list, with
> individual e-mails, the subject line would actually be MORE accurate.
What does this mean - MORE control?
Tell me how would it be easier for me to reply to an e-mail than it is now?
Note: My browser is not up and running at the moment.
> The forum would be completely ad-free.
I do not believe this.
> And it would actually be faster to read (if you choose to read through the
> website) because you only read the topics that interest you. You don't
even
> have to wait for the uninteresting topics to download like you do with
e-mail.
OK - [cutting out the rest of the argument text]. You are basically saying
the you will post (and others) tons of information or crap that does not
interest us (basically use this place as some kind of information
dump/repository/archive whatever). I am totally against this.
This is the TANGERINE DREAM DISCUSSION LIST!!! We discuss things here!
Open your own website if you wish to post information about concert details
and SHN details.
Let's not try to invent something new when there is no need.
Straight sex is still good too you know... ;-)
Vic
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum
Hi All!
Yup. vBulletin is webmail. To read messages I have to scroll back and
forth. UGH!
I sure hope Joe comes up with some awfully fancy PHP 'cause I'm afraid
that plain vanilla vBulletin out of the box will make me sick.
I'd rather give up the polls and the database stuff. We could manage TT2
without an online database.
Ciao -- Mark
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:36
pm
Subject: VBulletin
>Mark Filipak said:
>
>Well, I went here: http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/ and clicked the
>'f.a.q.' tab at the top and read how to post messages.
>
>I highly recommend that everyone read the FAQ. It's not very long and
>only a few features would probably be of interest to you.
>
>It sure looks like webmail to me. You post through your browser. You
>don't see other people's email addresses, even if you send a private
>message. I couldn't find any way to reply, except maybe by posting to the
>thread.
You have made the assumption that Joe plans to use vBulletin without any
modifications/updates/patches/scripts/plugins or hacks. This is absolutely
not the case. It will be HEAVILY tailored to work the best possible way
for tadream members and will be continually updated and improved. In
contrast, we are powerless to change any of the behaviors of Yahoo.
The forum will have a backend which operates as close to this current
mailing list as possible. If we can't, we won't go to a forum, ok? The goal
is if people want to keep using it as a list, they can and should have
minimal disruption.
You should ignore anything you read at vBulletin.com because that is not
how it will be operated for Tadream.
-Morgan
operator of 2 vBulletin forums and participant in 3 others.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:43
pm
Subject: Forum
>Morgan Rebutted:
> >
> > With the forum, if people choose to continue to read it as a list, with
> > individual e-mails, the subject line would actually be MORE accurate.
>
>What does this mean - MORE control?
>Tell me how would it be easier for me to reply to an e-mail than it is now?
>Note: My browser is not up and running at the moment.
It's quite simple. Because everyone is replying to a certain topic, the
subject line would already be set. As long as you don't change it, it will
be even easier to follow a discussion.
> > The forum would be completely ad-free.
>
>I do not believe this.
Now you're calling me and Joe liars?
> > And it would actually be faster to read (if you choose to read through the
> > website) because you only read the topics that interest you. You don't
>even
> > have to wait for the uninteresting topics to download like you do with
>e-mail.
>
>OK - [cutting out the rest of the argument text]. You are basically saying
>the you will post (and others) tons of information or crap that does not
>interest us (basically use this place as some kind of information
>dump/repository/archive whatever). I am totally against this.
Well right now, how often do you see TD concerts discussed?
Do you think they are unworthy of discussion?
I don't bother because the people who like to discuss concerts got tired of
all the 'Rah rah' Edgar cheerleading and left the list a long time ago.
>This is the TANGERINE DREAM DISCUSSION LIST!!! We discuss things here!
Could have fooled me. Most people have a lot of things to say, but just
don't say anything because of past negative reactions to doing so. So
instead we get a few people who talk and the rest sit and watch and just
hit delete.
>Straight sex is still good too you know... ;-)
??!
I really have an opinion about all these people saying to keep it a list.
'Why do we need color on a television? black and white is fine.'
-Morgan
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:46
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] VBulletin
Howdy!!
Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
-snip-
> You should ignore anything you read at vBulletin.com because that is
> not how it will be operated for Tadream.
Thanks, Morgan! That makes me feel a lot better, though I am still a bit
concerned about what will happen to the TD spirit. This is a TD
discussion list.
So, how will I post to this board and will I be able to use my email
client? (...Curious minds want to know...)
Oh, Person Opinion. Those stooopid smiley faces have got to go. They've
got about as much character as Muzak.
Ciao -- Mark
From:
Groove Unlimited
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:48
pm
Subject: E-Live 2002
The E-Live 2002 festival takes place on September 21st!
Location is the TU auditorium in the center of Eindhoven, Netherlands
and there's room for 420 people.
Tickets cost € 25 in pre-sales and € 30 at the box-office.
Pre-sales have started and ends on September 14.
Line-up:
Neuronium with Pascal Languirand (ES)
Frank Van Bogaert (BE)
Amir Baghiri (DE)
Boots, Aerts, H. vd Heijden, E. vd Heijden (NL)
All info: http://www.groove.nl Click on E-LIVE 2002
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:54
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum
I'm beginning to get a little frustrated with all this...
> Vic asked:
> >
> > What does this mean - MORE control?
> > Tell me how would it be easier for me to reply to an e-mail than it
> > is now? Note: My browser is not up and running at the moment.
Morgan replied:
>
> It's quite simple. Because everyone is replying to a certain topic, the
> subject line would already be set. As long as you don't change it, it
> will be even easier to follow a discussion.
You are not answering the question, Morgan. Vic asked how he would reply
without a browser. I want to know this too. Stop talking about how easy
it is to read messages on-line. First, that's not what was asked, and
second, it's not true that messages are easy to read on-line.
I don't want webmail. If I wanted webmail, I'd get a free account at
hotmail.
Please address people's concerns. Thanks -- Mark
JOE!!! Where are you, Joe?
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From:
Robert Grabowsky
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 10:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum
As I have learned over the years of computer use and many other things:
'If it is not broke, don't fix it'
Unlike the government which says:
'If it is not broke, fix it till it is '
And here is another thought: KISS
'Keep It Simple, Stupid'
Please leave well enough alone. Thank You.
THE HIGHLANDER
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 10:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum
Morgan - you are out of control. First off, you are not the TD list
moderator. I want to hear from Joe.
Secondly, what is your motivation for all of this? Clearly - this will not
benefit the TD fans of this list.
If you and Joe start both acting like fools, then I will make sure that
there will be an alternative list to continue with FAN spirit and support of
Tangerine Dream...
I hope to get an e-mail someday that TD is touring America (directly
addressed to me) versus some web-browser that I have to go to see that 'Oh
yes- there is a tour information button'.
So, PLEASE make a rational explanation to the people of this list WHY WE
WOULD WANT THIS?
Vic
P.S. Thanks to Mark Filipak for his comments, but we can take that off-line
;-)
From:
'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 10:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
> And it would actually be faster to read (if you choose to read through the
> website) because you only read the topics that interest you. You don't
even
> have to wait for the uninteresting topics to download like you do with
e-mail.
It will be *slower* to read, because you have to download the webpage, it's
graphic, it's cgi stuff - plus we may have to log-in first, and by that
having yet another password...........
> Like we said, we are not going to eliminate e-mail at all. Only that
e-mail
> would no longer be the core of the tadream list. Instead, it would be the
> backend of a more robust forum which allows us to have 200-300 messages a
> day, but not everyone has to read them all.
if there will be 200 messages, the forum will have to display *several
pages* for each day - which will mean one has to not only load one page, but
several.
None of these things are faster than email based lists.
> I guess I should just start posting everything I want and see what people
> say. They'll be begging for a forum in a few weeks. I'm talking about
> reviews of concerts, reviews of soundtracks, and detailed painfully
> intricate conversations about Tangerine Tree 1 + 2, how they were recorded
> and remastered, disgusting details about SHNs. :)
Please post them in this group. They'll be much faster to delete here than
in a forum :-)
I for one would not be reading or posting to a web based TD forum, which may
or may not be good, but it would mean the detoriation of the online TD
community in my eyes.
Glenn
From:
'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 10:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Admin'
> We all know we have to escape from yahoo... just how to do so with short
> funds and other concerns.
If escaping from Yahoo is the main concern, there are OTHER email list
providers we could use. A web board is NOT the only alternative to a
Yahoogroup
Start with checking out topica.com
Glenn
From:
'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 10:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
> I really have an opinion about all these people saying to keep it a list.
> 'Why do we need color on a television? black and white is fine.'
You are assuming that web boards is a step forward in the evolution of the
net. Well, there is a reason why email is much more widely used than web
boards. Actually, many reasons.
I dont want to spend 10 minutes wading through message web pages when I
could have spent 10 seconds downloading the same messages to my email
client. Those 10 minutes only apply if we assume that the website is always
up. Web page hosts usually log more downtime than email servers.
Glenn
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:09
pm
Subject: World War III
Apparently, I have started World War III here.
Joe has wanted to start a forum and possibly move the tadream community to
a forum format for a long time. I voiced to him that I have much experience
with this, having operated 2 communities (one with 1,100 members) and
contributed to 3 others. Joe suggested that I might be able to help with
the technical aspects of setting up a forum and making a possible
transition virtually painless for those who want to stay with a list format.
If we went to a forum (not holding my breath), you would still post
messages AND read messages by e-mail. Only those people who want to take
advantage of the web features would read it through a website.
It is very depressing to see that in the span of 6 hours, I have been
accused of wanting to hurt the list, make participation in the tadream
community more difficult, that I have ulterior motives, that I seek to
acquire some level of power, that I am not a Tangerine Dream FAN, that I do
not care about the members of this list, and that I am a liar.
Apparently I have no more credibility here than I did the first day I
signed up in 1997. That's fine though, I can deal with that. It is actually
nice and refreshing to know just where I stand with the people here, so
that I am no longer looking at things through rose-colored glasses. I've
dealt with abusive, unforgiving people quite a bit in my life, I just did
not think I would find so many of them here.
Vic, If I thought this would not benefit the tadream community, I wouldn't
have even mentioned it. I have supervised or been involved in several
list-to-forum migrations. Never have I seen such acidic, abusive,
ill-informed responses to just the CONCEPT of doing so, let alone a
specific implementation. Every time I have seen a migration like this, the
improvement in the community experience has been tenfold. Participation and
membership has increased exponentially, and furthermore, people stick around.
At this point, if Joe wants me to help with a forum (it sure as hell wasn't
my idea, I have my own TD forum) hell will be freezing over.
-Morgan
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From:
'John Marchington'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum
I agree entirely. I feel the current e-mail system is fine as it is. I tend
to sample the topics and if I 'm interested in any of them I'll read them
all through to get the gist of the arguments/discussions, and occasionally
comment if I feel I can contribute in a positive way. I save every e-mail on
a ZIP disc, too, by day, month, year. It's surprising how often I go back a
few months to reread a topic that was of interest then.
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Robert Grabowsky'
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum
> As I have learned over the years of computer use and many other things:
>
> 'If it is not broke, don't fix it'
>
> Unlike the government which says:
>
> 'If it is not broke, fix it till it is '
>
> And here is another thought: KISS
>
> 'Keep It Simple, Stupid'
>
> Please leave well enough alone. Thank You.
>
> THE HIGHLANDER
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:49
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board
haha- you must be looking at the OLD version. just a prototype, nothing
more, and will be discarded. have installed and discarded about half a
dozen different forum/community/e-mail solutions just this year so far.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Filipak [mailto:filipak@m...]
> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:48 PM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board
>
>
> bigstupidgeek, da' Boss, wrote:
> >
> > OK, just so you folks know, we have already been working on this.
> > (right this moent in fact!) I know we've always been toying with
> > different alternatives to yahoo for years, and along the way we
> > almost left, but stayed because it offered the most stable ongoing
> > environment.
> >
> > The idea is that if you want to continue via e-mail only,
> the way you
> > do now, you can. However, Morgan is right, and there are ways to
> > make things better for this community that were are installing as I
> > type.
> >
> > We'll send out the prototype url soon (days) and explain a lot of
> > what's changing, what's not, and what's to come.
>
> Great! Maybe someone will help me with my javascript in the
> 'Javascript'
> section of the forum.
>
> Ciao -- Mark
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] World War III
All I can say - Is JOE where you?
> Joe has wanted to start a forum and possibly move the tadream community to
> a forum format for a long time. I voiced to him that I have much
experience
> with this, having operated 2 communities (one with 1,100 members) and
> contributed to 3 others. Joe suggested that I might be able to help with
> the technical aspects of setting up a forum and making a possible
> transition virtually painless for those who want to stay with a list
format.
>
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:52
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Bulletin Board
don't worry- anything we implement will be thoroughly beta tested.
just so you know, the idea is that peopel will be able to capture all psts,
even if originated from a sub-forum, on the 'uberlist'. online posts all go
threough the normal e-mail thing, but on the forums webiste appear in
separate categories. so for example, you could go to the 'Underwater
Sunlight' forum - or the one that descrobes that period - and view just
posts relevant to that album or category, but all e-mail recipients
subscribed to the uberlist will see it too.
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Joe runs this list and though I forecast disaster -- I
> sincerely hope I'm
> wrong -- I'll stand behind anything Joe decides.
>
> Joe, please have 'test period' and a fall-back strategy.
>
> My fear: The list as-we-have-known-it will cease to exist and
> will become
> an array of semi-private lists. There are about a dozen
> regular posters.
> That means there are over 500 lurkers who sometimes post, but
> mostly rely
> on the list for up-to-date information. Though they could continue to
> lurk, I suspect that they won't.
>
From:
'Herbert'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:31
pm
Subject: AW: [tadream] Forum Wars
Hi Guys,
let's return to the ground and keep emotions low.
Let's talk about functionality and not about the kind of implementation.
Morgan,
what would be the changes and what would stay as it is.
Will there be a prototype running in parallel to the current mailing list to
let people find the benefits and become used to it?
Herbert
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...]
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. August 2002 01:10
> An: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [tadream] World War III
>
>
> Apparently, I have started World War III here.
>
> Joe has wanted to start a forum and possibly move the tadream
> community to
> a forum format for a long time. I voiced to him that I have
> much experience
> with this, having operated 2 communities (one with 1,100 members) and
> contributed to 3 others. Joe suggested that I might be able
> to help with
> the technical aspects of setting up a forum and making a possible
> transition virtually painless for those who want to stay with
> a list format.
>
> If we went to a forum (not holding my breath), you would still post
> messages AND read messages by e-mail. Only those people who
> want to take
> advantage of the web features would read it through a website.
>
> It is very depressing to see that in the span of 6 hours, I have been
> accused of wanting to hurt the list, make participation in
> the tadream
> community more difficult, that I have ulterior motives, that
> I seek to
> acquire some level of power, that I am not a Tangerine Dream
> FAN, that I do
> not care about the members of this list, and that I am a liar.
>
> Apparently I have no more credibility here than I did the first day I
> signed up in 1997. That's fine though, I can deal with that.
> It is actually
> nice and refreshing to know just where I stand with the
> people here, so
> that I am no longer looking at things through rose-colored
> glasses. I've
> dealt with abusive, unforgiving people quite a bit in my
> life, I just did
> not think I would find so many of them here.
>
> Vic, If I thought this would not benefit the tadream
> community, I wouldn't
> have even mentioned it. I have supervised or been involved in several
> list-to-forum migrations. Never have I seen such acidic, abusive,
> ill-informed responses to just the CONCEPT of doing so, let alone a
> specific implementation. Every time I have seen a migration
> like this, the
> improvement in the community experience has been tenfold.
> Participation and
> membership has increased exponentially, and furthermore,
> people stick around.
>
> At this point, if Joe wants me to help with a forum (it sure
> as hell wasn't
> my idea, I have my own TD forum) hell will be freezing over.
>
> -Morgan
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:26
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
> I guess I should just start posting everything I want and see what people
> say. They'll be begging for a forum in a few weeks. I'm talking about
> reviews of concerts, reviews of soundtracks, and detailed painfully
> intricate conversations about Tangerine Tree 1 + 2, how they were recorded
> and remastered, disgusting details about SHNs. :)
It all sounds very exciting and I'm definitely curious.
But...
As a member of another long standing Yahoo group (back when it was still
eGroups) which grew too big for its surroundings and decided to strike out
on its own (we regularly killed the eGroups mailer with too many messages
posted per day), I do have a few words of advice and caution from my
experience which you might be interested in. Or not.
First, if you expect everyone here to move to the new digs, your mail system
has to, at minimum, do everything the Yahoo groups one does right now. If
not, your new forum will have all the longevity of New Coke. As an example,
I read messages from tadream every day simply because they arrive in my
inbox every day. Morgans TD forum on the other hand (chock full of messages
I generally have more interest in reading - no offence intended to the
tadream regulars) I read about once a week, simply because I'm often too
busy to remember to actually go to the forum site in the first place.
People will not want to work their way through the site to find the messages
they are interested in, when they could have gotten everything in their
inbox in a matter of seconds at which point they can read what they want
while off-line and prune out the junk with the delete key. (I'm sure we have
plenty of dial-up users here who will demand that abilty).
Second, the '200-300 messages a day' thing. I trust you mean by that the
proposed forum can theoretically *cope* with that amount, not that you're
actually *expecting* that amount? Because I can tell you right now that it
isn't going to happen. What's the membership of tadream right now, 515
people last I heard? Even if you had 2000 members visiting the site
religiously every single day, that does not guarantee a large number of
posts, or interesting or insightful posts, or frankly any posts at all.
The hard truth we learned when trying to strike up interest in our new forum
was that lurkers will always outnumber active posters ten fold.
Third, I assume you're planning to slice tadream up into sub-forums to deal
with concert reviews, tree info etc? Nice idea, I'd definitely like to hear
more on the subjects you mentioned Morgan (heck, even if it is just you
posting ;-) just don't slice the group up too thin and make sure there
really is a demand to cater to - people who are actually going to take
advantage of the new forums and post to them. Otherwise it won't be long
before the tumbleweed effect sets in.
All that said, I think tadream could use a break from Yahoo and few
sub-forums to cater to the many different aspects of TD, as well as the
on-going Tree project, and provided the email gateway remains the primary
method for interacting with the group, I'm all for the new system.
My first proposal would be for a sub-forum specifically for that
'convention24' bloke. Sorry, but the towel thing was the final straw.
Just my two pence worth.
Maff
_________________________________________________
www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.tangent.da.ru
www.mst3uk.com
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:44
pm
Subject: Eat at Joes
Below is what this mastermind of the TD list thinks.... Good luck. Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Shoults
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 7:52 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Bulletin Board
> don't worry- anything we implement will be thoroughly beta tested.
>
> just so you know, the idea is that peopel will be able to capture all
psts,
> even if originated from a sub-forum, on the 'uberlist'. online posts all
go
> threough the normal e-mail thing, but on the forums webiste appear in
> separate categories. so for example, you could go to the 'Underwater
> Sunlight' forum - or the one that descrobes that period - and view just
> posts relevant to that album or category, but all e-mail recipients
> subscribed to the uberlist will see it too.
>
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:55
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bulletin Board
From: 'Joe Shoults'
> just so you know, the idea is that peopel will be able to capture all
psts,
> even if originated from a sub-forum, on the 'uberlist'. online posts all
go
> threough the normal e-mail thing, but on the forums webiste appear in
> separate categories. so for example, you could go to the 'Underwater
> Sunlight' forum - or the one that descrobes that period - and view just
> posts relevant to that album or category, but all e-mail recipients
> subscribed to the uberlist will see it too.
Got it, but how do you intend to route incoming posts to the relevant
forums? Unless you plan to have moderators working around the clock.
Maff
_________________________________________________
www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.tangent.da.ru
www.mst3uk.com
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum
Vic
A little variety goes a long way.
;-)
rrrr I love this list!
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'vic rek'
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum
> Morgan Rebutted:
new when there is no need.
>
> Straight sex is still good too you know... ;-)
>
> Vic
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] VBulletin
Muzak is fine too. I wonder if a list exists just for Muzak???
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Mark Filipak'
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] VBulletin
Oh, Person Opinion. Those stooopid smiley faces have got to go. They've
got about as much character as Muzak.
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:44
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board
Glenn
This was one alternative some are looking at. I too rather read email via a
email program than have to fire up a web and do it. I use outlook express
for my personal mail, Outlook for business. I use to use Eudora but I found
I liked Outlook's better. I even used Pegasus for a bit. But what I use
isn't the point. I like the way I am getting the list now. I used web based
before as well. One gets use to things after they use them for a bit. I wont
abandon Joe and this list if it does go that way. I would hate to have to
join up with several others just to get what I get now from this list.
Wondering what that is?
Here is a bit of a list and not in any order nor is complete
experience
knowledge
great people
fine details on TD
and information I would not know
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Admin'
>
> > We all know we have to escape from yahoo... just how to do so with short
> > funds and other concerns.
>
> If escaping from Yahoo is the main concern, there are OTHER email list
> providers we could use. A web board is NOT the only alternative to a
> Yahoogroup
>
> Start with checking out topica.com
>
> Glenn
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] World War III
Did I tell you that you are evil and you don't have a ramp function on your
LFO?
dale
I know your true intentions... what happen to your thick skin? You shedding?
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 12:42
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board
I got the best idea, Joe.
I nominate you for Secretary of Defense, and Morgan for Secretary of
State. George Bush needs your exerience introducing war to the people.
Ciao -- Mark
Joe Shoults wrote:
>
> haha- you must be looking at the OLD version. just a prototype, nothing
> more, and will be discarded. have installed and discarded about half a
> dozen different forum/community/e-mail solutions just this year so far.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Filipak [mailto:filipak@m...]
> > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:48 PM
> > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board
> >
> >
> > bigstupidgeek, da' Boss, wrote:
> > >
> > > OK, just so you folks know, we have already been working on this.
> > > (right this moent in fact!) I know we've always been toying with
> > > different alternatives to yahoo for years, and along the way we
> > > almost left, but stayed because it offered the most stable ongoing
> > > environment.
> > >
> > > The idea is that if you want to continue via e-mail only,
> > the way you
> > > do now, you can. However, Morgan is right, and there are ways to
> > > make things better for this community that were are installing as I
> > > type.
> > >
> > > We'll send out the prototype url soon (days) and explain a lot of
> > > what's changing, what's not, and what's to come.
> >
> > Great! Maybe someone will help me with my javascript in the
> > 'Javascript'
> > section of the forum.
> >
> > Ciao -- Mark
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 12:20
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board
Thanks a lot Mark.
;-)
Dale
>I got the best idea, Joe.
>I nominate you for Secretary of Defense, and Morgan for Secretary of
>State. George Bush needs your exerience introducing war to the people.
>Ciao -- Mark
From:
'Herbert'
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 1:05
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board Wars
Let's stick to the facts.
If the current mailing list has to move (I believe yahoo isn't a non-profit
organisation),
there is the need to evaluate alternatives.
If the alternative allows offline reading as the current mailing list does
PLUS web based forums, where's the problem with it?
If the altenative is hosted on a host (by a person) of trust, I can't see
any problem with it.
Shouldn't we give an alternative a chance to evaluate and give a proof of
reliabiliy and usability and not react with personal accuses which won't
bring the subject any further?
Let's see how it works and decide then.
Herbert
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 1:49
am
Subject: Forum
Well, about the forum...
I'm happy with the current format; I'm not interested in any particular
subject, so whenever I see a message that doesn't interest me I just hit the
'next' button. I don't like webmail or webchat or usually anything web-based
when you have another faster and more practical possibility. When the forum
'officially' comes up, I hope the current list format will be available as a
mode of subscription, like we have the daily digests. Still, I'm probably going
to check this forum out, and then decide which way is better for me. However,
if the list totally changes to something web-based, being that the only way,
then I'm not sure if I'll participate on this.
that's it...
GJ np. Gustav Mahler's 1st Symphony
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
'dat_dream'
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 2:55
am
Subject: Vol 9 question
...about the source tape as quoted:
>Vol.9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 complete concert
>(source: digital copy of BBC IPS master tape, plus 1st
>generation audience tape)
I would assume that given the vintage, that 'IPS' is to stand for
'inches per second' (reel-to-reel). IF that's the case, then the
number is missing. Was it 15? (I doubt it), 7.5? (most likely), or
3.75? (I don't THINK so, given the high sound quality).
Just curious.
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From:
'dat_dream'
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 3:15
am
Subject: Soundmill Navigator question
>> If it's untouched concerts, maybe with a little remastering, I'll
>>sell my body for it.
>>
> >-Morgan
>And if they'd all be like Soundmill Navigator, you would probably
>want to sell a few parts of Edgar's body. :^>
>John Vertical
Sorry if this has been covered before (I'm sorta new here),
Does a heavily edited version of a concert (such as S.N. was) get
Edgar out from under the thumb of the record company (I'm
assuming in this case that it would be Virgin Records) that
would assume rights to the original and demand more than their
fair share from the proceeds, yada, yada?
I mean that Edgar might possibly defend an edited version by
saying that the 'original served as inspiration for a contemporary
work. But it's all new. Keep your mitts off. It belongs to TDI.'
Any lawyers out there reading this in disbelief?
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From:
Eric Williamson
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 3:45
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator question
Quoting dat_dream :
> Does a heavily edited version of a concert (such as S.N. was) get
> Edgar out from under the thumb of the record company (I'm
i'd say yes.
that doesn't make pissing off your fans with shitty work acceptable though.
so i'm faced with a dilemma: do i applaud fast eddie for (rightfully) dodging a
overly-constrictive music industry contract or get angry that i paid 18 dollars
for that horrible cd?
i think editing concerts 20 years after the fact is really cool. i just think
that it can be done much better.
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com
From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 4:42
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator question
From: 'dat_dream'
> Does a heavily edited version of a concert (such as S.N. was) get
> Edgar out from under the thumb of the record company
No, it's nothing to do with that. I've heard lots of people kick these kinds
of theories around, but IMO there are no ulterior motives, or evil and
improbable twenty year old recording contracts that encompass every note the
band ever struck up to 1983. (C'mon, Richard Branson gives a toss about what
Edgar might choose to do with a concert performed two decades ago? He'd
stump up the legal fees for that one? ;-). The simple truth is that Edgar
does to the old concerts today what the band has basically *always* done.
All the live albums were tinkered with in some fashion. Ricochet? Bits and
peices from 1975 with some studio redubs. Encore? Some definately live, some
probably not so, some left over live bits from 1974. Pergamon? The whole
thing is a studio performance, and it's most likely that the whole second
part wasn't even played on the day. And so on. If the Tangeirne Tree has
proven anything its that TD created some absolutely stunning improvisational
material in the 70's, but the band never intended to have *every single
note* of any particular concert released as an official album. (That doesn't
mean I wouldn't want to see them all released as performed, I just don't see
it ever happening, and I don't think it's realistic to expect any band to do
it). If TD had released a live album in 76 you can bet it would have been an
amalgam of concerts spliced together and tidied up, a'la Ricochet.
(The only exception to this is 220 Volt Live, which is, as the TD official
site confirms, exactly what the bands computers played on the night. ;-)
But the problem kicks in when the original source material gets older and
Edgars dislike of that time period increases. He releases the concerts on
sufferance (personally I can't help but wonder what motivates him to release
them at all), he doesn't really enjoy the old material anymore, thus he
becomes overly critical of the older music and what needs to be 'fixed', and
consequentally the amount and style of tampering increases.
Which is why Soundmill is almost a complete reperformance and Sohoman has
all its glorious sharp edges filed clean off. He's not dodging a dicy
contract clause and sticking it to Virgin records, it's simply a case of
Edgar doing what he's always done, and meanwhile two different eras of the
music trying to co-exist in the same passage of music. (That doesn't excuse
the business with the mastering flaw, which was... well, inexcusable no
matter which way you turn it).
Sure, we know it usually does more harm than good (though to be honest I'd
be quite partial to Soundmill if it weren't for that bloody tape flaw), but
you can't really argue that Edgars approach to releasing live material isn't
consistent with what the band have always done.
Maff
_________________________________________________
www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.tangent.da.ru
www.mst3uk.com
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 4:48
am
Subject: Vol 9 question
>From: 'dat_dream'
>Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:55 pm
>Subject: Vol 9 question
>
> >Vol.9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 complete concert
> >(source: digital copy of BBC IPS master tape, plus 1st
> >generation audience tape)
>
>I would assume that given the vintage, that 'IPS' is to stand for
>'inches per second' (reel-to-reel). IF that's the case, then the
>number is missing. Was it 15? (I doubt it), 7.5? (most likely), or
>3.75? (I don't THINK so, given the high sound quality).
7.5' IPS
-Morgan
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'convention24'
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 9:32
am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1447
--- In tadream@y..., 'Pete Dandy' wrote:
>
>
>
> > > >
> > > Jees buddy your weirdness is freakin me out !!!! there`s being a
> >fan and all
> > > but i think you are 'in love' with Edgar . pssss ......does your
> >wife know
> >
> > > about it ???? ;)
> > >
> > > Pete
> > > Hello Pete
> > Yes my wife does know about it,she quite fancies Edgar herself,we
> >sleep with Edgars towel which i got at Shepherds Bush concert of
> >12,5,01 every night,she seems to think that EF is the Stud of the
> >music scene.
> > Best regards
> > CJ
Pete,thats an absolute classic,sheer quality just like the Wonderful
Tangerine Dream.
NP Royal Albert Hall 2,4,75, This is the Greatest of all time.AWESOME.
> > >
>
>
> Ha Ha ! Now i know your only joking !!!!!! maybe your wife has
threesome
> fantasies with you and Edgar banging away to Dream Mixes :)
> or even Gobblings club ;)
> I wouldn't`t sleep with that towel after that night . YOW !!!!!
>
>
> Pete
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger:
http://messenger.msn.com
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 9:50
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bulletin Board
I think I've now read the whole forum thread so far. Well, here's what I
think about this:
I am myself happy with the situation at the moment, except that I'd surely
like a decent archive search engine. I tried to look for James Owens's (was
it him?) Valley of the Sun poetry, but I couldn't find it. :(
Apparently there would be other benefics (probebly mispelled) too. There
would be the fact that more topics could be covered. I don't understand the
talk about 'don't separate this list'; hey, we have 500+ members, we cannot
be like just like a bunch of buddies. Even if 400 of those are lurkers, we'd
still need some effective crowd control.
So go on, have side forums for 'Edgar Worship', 'Technical Jargon', 'Other
Musicians', 'Collectors' Corner', '100% OT Chit-Chat' and so on, but I'd
like to keep the core of this list together. Splicing the main discussion
into eg. 'Announcements', 'Albums from Era X' and so on sounds unpractical,
especially since the people who don't want to read those are quite surely in
minority.
I've been a member on some discussion forums, but I prefer the email format.
I simply find that a forum demands too much from an active member. You can
either be a 24h junkie or an occasional visitor, but being something in the
in-between is too difficult. Loading the CGI, ASP, PHP or whichever TLA you
end up using takes time _every time_ you load a page.
Another thing is that forums, which about always permit a wider array of
subjects than similar email lists, generate much more content. I'm a sort of
an unofficial moderator on a certain Finnish forum; during a holiday, this
forum generated 6 times more posts per member than this list. In larger
forums the ratio appears to be even bigger.
And to return to the signal-to-noise ratio business: Sure, you can simply
jump over junk or boring topics, but who prevents a topic getting initially
a bad title, or a non-interesting thread developing into something
interesting? The strict thread separation is something I don't like. If you
have several one-liner replys, you can now stuff them into one email; that
would be impossible with a thread-based system.
I'm no expert on these, but you'd still either have to put at least a copy
of the message into each thread. Since this is a technical problem though,
I'll stick with bringing it up and leaving it for the people who can handle
it.
John Vertical
(whew... reading through this post flood and writing this message took the
same time as listening through Search, Mothers of Rain, Dolls in the Shadow,
Waterborne, Bent Cold Sidewalk, Midnight in Tula, Haunted Heights, Beach
Theme, Astral Voyager, Le Parc and half of Cherokee Lane...)
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 9:53
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Legal Live Tape trading network
>Hi guys,
>
>check this out, there's a filesharing network to trade live
>concerts, but only from bands who've officially allowed this:
>
>http://furthurnet.com
Hmm, could this be used as a way to DOWN some further TTrees?
just a thought...
John Vertical
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 9:53
am
Subject: Bulletin Board
Hi all,
I'll leave out the obvious stuff, and just make a few, maybe
not-so-obvious pros and cons. Bear in mind, you'Äll have to deal with
the same variety of members on a forum and a mailing list.
mailing list (at yahoo)
+ yahoogroups is popular. Easy to find for new 'customers'
mailing list (anywhere)
- off-topic posts
- wrong subject lines
- (or +?) limited scope, other (taboo) subjects to be discussed in
a different mailing list (tangerinedream, goblinsclub, artofvision)
o multimedia content only through posting links
o a post to the list reaches all members (if they want or not)
+ low maintenance, even if moderated
+ low bandwidth access (slow modem or mobile) works ok
+ short net access time possible (batch download - offline read and
reply - batch upload) in hotels or for mobile users.
+ easy to archive locally (e.g. Netscape mail file, simple text format,
searchable locally). Mine goes back to day one, Feb 15, 1990.
forum
- off topic posts (can be moved by admin)
- post under wrong subjects (can be moved by admin)
- maintenance intensive, needs a very motivated admin team
- no local database, back-reading and searching only possible online
- difficult to keep long-time archives (data size, bandwidth)
o post to the forum reaches only memebers who chose to read it
+ daily email digests possible
+ closed user groups possible through the same interface
+ much nicer interface, integrated seach features
+ direct multimedia content possible
+ sub-topics (announcements,meetings,'Coffee House' possible)
general
topics: if we want to retain TDI participation, both a forum and a
mailing list will have to declare certain topics taboo.
no responses:
my experinece is, that the only reasons for mails not getting any
replies on tadream are either totally inane questions or statements, or
the resident specialists are on holiday or business trips.
'Signal to noise ratio':
Just moving the same bunch of people from list to forum approach,
doesn't automatically improve 'topic discipline' , quantity or quality
of posts.
My _personal_ conclusion:
At the moment, I still like the mailing list approach better, for
practical reasons and because I get to see all posts - even if I chose
to ignore most of them.
In a forum, I'd probably have to resort to a daily digest of _all_ new
posts anyway , to be sure to catch the interesting ones that people have
accidentally posted under 'boring' subjects ;-)
Of course, a forum is a nice _compliment_ to the mailing list, you
could even go as far as to actually have the tadream (and other)
mailing list posts accessible through the forum. That would avoid
splitting up our community completely.
cheers,
klaus
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 10:03
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
>On the TDI web site, Edgar says that in 17 years of collaboration he and
>Chris met socially only once, when Chris' wife invited Edgar and Monika
>to their home for dinner.
I find this comment unbelieveable... Edgar appears to be trying to make
Chris's departure look lees significant?
>I get the strong sense from other interviews that Edgar resents Chris'
>use of some of the themes developed when they were together, especially
>stuff on 'The London Concert'.
Didn't he do exactly the same with Mothers of Rain, it originated in 86
after all? And I don't think he consulted Chris at all about Tangents,
SndMN, Antique Dreams etc.
>I seem to remember Chris also saying he
>felt Edgar had agreed to do too much soundtrack work between 1983-87, and
>that the work load had left Chris creatively exhausted. Extensive UK and US
>tours in 1986, in addition to the regular studio LPs, didn't help either.
Didn't Johannes also leave because of the overburden? Looks like they were
in the 80s either
1) greedy
2) in need of large amounts of cash for some reason
3) too easily agreeing to sign a contract
John Vertical
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From:
'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR'
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 10:04
am
Subject: RE: Vol 9 question
>
> I would assume that given the vintage, that 'IPS' is to stand for
> 'inches per second'
>
'Is Probably Stolen'
;-)
Daniel
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 10:05
am
Subject: Forum / Ads
>Don't you get ads from Yahoo now?
Am I the only one who doesn't get what all this ads discussion is about?
I read the list through daily email digests, not through the
web. Zero ads there.
When yahoo turned on 'ads yes' in all user profiles a few months
back, I turned them off again, and - no more ads.
cheers,
klaus
From:
mikael.jussila@p...
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 11:39
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
John Vertical wrote:
> >I seem to remember Chris also saying he
> >felt Edgar had agreed to do too much soundtrack work between 1983-87, and
> >that the work load had left Chris creatively exhausted. Extensive UK and US
> >tours in 1986, in addition to the regular studio LPs, didn't help either.
>
> Didn't Johannes also leave because of the overburden? Looks like they were
> in the 80s either
> 1) greedy
> 2) in need of large amounts of cash for some reason
> 3) too easily agreeing to sign a contract
From the liner notes of Castle's 'Le Parc':
'By now all three band members had ploughed their film soundtrack earnings into
their own studios, as Edgar Froese recalls: 'I was always looking around for
soundtrack work to get things going, as one can imagine that it cost a lot of
money. The aim was that each member of the band had his own recording place to
work independently and prepare things, because if there was just one big studio
and one member was working or trying to do his sound research, then the others
would be just hanging around and waiting.''
*Fornit Some Fornus*
MJUSSILA
From:
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 12:21
pm
Subject: RE: TD Web Virtual Bulltin Board
Hello to all,
I totally agree with Vic, thats okay.
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
www.tribute-to-ashra.de
www.opticaldream.de
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:17:49 -0400
From: 'vic rek'
Subject: Re: TD Web Virtual Bulletin Board
My two cents about this web-based idea...
> >Is it not about time that this TD list moved on and went to a web-based
> >community forum where this could be broken down into topics rather than
the
> >current emails that we have i.e. in date order only .......... surely it
is
> >about time that we looked to migrate elsewhere and changed the whole
concept
> >of how things are discussed..............it would be easier to search
if
> >everyone replied to specific topics and threads would be categorised
instead
> >of the current mess that we have on this list ?!
Why change? I am perfectly happy with the way things are. I did not
realize that we have a mess on the list? We have a digest version for those
that do not like many e-mails. I have no problem with the e-mails at all.
If I look at the topic and it doesn't interest me - I just delete the
e-mail. I do not have to read one word of it, besides the subject. But at
other times, the subject can be mis-leading and there is interesting
information in the e-mail. So what is the problem?
Also, I travel a lot and I almost always use dial-up connections, so I do
not even bring up my web-brower at times - and why would I want to get hit
with advertisement just to read my TD e-mail? I believe this list would
lose membership if we took such a direction.
> >Currently everyone just sends emails to the list that either 'disappear'
and
> >never get replied to ....or we all have to read emails that may not be of
> >interest to us, with the new web based forums, new topics can be created
or
> >current topics can be replied to.... the whole database is
searchable...etc
> >etc ..........
I can search and sort my e-mails - so the benefit escapes me.
Vic
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 1:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
> > >I seem to remember Chris also saying he
> > >felt Edgar had agreed to do too much soundtrack work between 1983-87,
>and
> > >that the work load had left Chris creatively exhausted. Extensive UK
>and US
> > >tours in 1986, in addition to the regular studio LPs, didn't help
>either.
> >
> > Didn't Johannes also leave because of the overburden? Looks like they
>were
> > in the 80s either
> > 1) greedy
> > 2) in need of large amounts of cash for some reason
> > 3) too easily agreeing to sign a contract
>
>From the liner notes of Castle's 'Le Parc':
>'By now all three band members had ploughed their film soundtrack earnings
>into their own studios, as Edgar Froese recalls: 'I was always looking
>around for soundtrack work to get things going, as one can imagine that it
>cost a lot of money. The aim was that each member of the band had his own
>recording place to work independently and prepare things, because if there
>was just one big studio and one member was working or trying to do his
>sound research, then the others would be just hanging around and waiting.'
That's circular reasoning. If they hadn't done so much of them soundtracks
and other stuff, they could well have waited a bit...
And I think Edgar is exagerrating the situation here, they did have lots of
equipment already. I can though imagine a situation when two or perhaps all
three band members want to play with the same new toy and thus they end up
buying two more...
John Vertical
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From:
Michael W Daniels
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 2:30
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum
At 04:43 PM 8/10/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>I really have an opinion about all these people saying to keep it a list.
>'Why do we need color on a television? black and white is fine.'
The difference between a list and a forum is much greater, though.
A list is 'push' technology -- messages show up without you having to do
anything. Even though I have filters set up to put tadream emails in a
separate folder, they arrive at the same time as all sorts of other emails.
A web forum, on the other hand, is 'pull' technology -- you have to
explicitly do something different (start a browser instance and point it at
the webforum) to see new messages. And you don't even know if there will be
anything new there at any particular time you check.
Now if what you mean by:
>The forum will have a backend which operates as close to this current
>mailing list as possible.
is a forum-to-mail gateway that would mail out new posts as they're added,
and automagically re-thread any emailed replies, then those of us who
prefer push might not be disappointed. But I've never seen such a thing
before (though mail-to-news gateways exist IIRC).
--
Michael W. Daniels | 'The thunder was ominous-sounding, much
daniels@l... | like the sound of a thin sheet of metal
Department of Linguistics | being shaken backstage during the storm
218 Oxley Hall | scene in a play.'
From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 2:41
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: TD Web Virtual Bulltin Board
My 2000 pesos: I'm not vehemently opposed to the idea, but I often find
myself in conditions of low-bandwidth when I travel, and I'm often using
my Pocket PC for remotely accessing and responding to my mail while on
the road (or at work) -- during those time, digests don't necessarily
work for me. I don't mind the VBB approach running simultaneously as
long as the current method would still continue to work.
On undesired threads: If I don't care about the topic, I just delete
them. If there are enough postings, I create a kill string rule. BTW:
has that 'Jim is a moron' thread cleared up, yet?
On ads: I don't think I've ever received ads from this group. All my
messages have arrived plain text only with no attachments. I've seen
them from other Yahoo groups, but that was due to my forgetting to
change the settings. Plain text message also have less of a chance of
Outlook yakking on them...
On searching: if I think something will be noteworthy (tree
instructions, for example), I'll save the message and have it when I
archive my mailbox to an offline file. But searching isn't something
that I've needed to do in a *long* time.
On personal attacks: I hope no one takes this issue to the point that
it might become personal and/or dissolve friendships. Come on! We're
all adults here, and there should be a amicable solution to all this.
Recapping: I'd be interested in seeing what the new format would be
like, but if I lose the capability to utilize the list as I do now, then
I won't be able to use it a lot of the time. If someone can reassure
that won't happen, I won't say much more on the topic.
- jim
From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 3:02
pm
Subject: Creativity is not a limited thing
Mark said 'You know, creativity is not a limited thing. Often, the more one
creates,
the more one is able to create. It does not come from a store house that
can become depleted. Creativity is like a muscle. The more you use it,
the bigger it gets.'
Yeees, but.....
Surely there has to be a point where you're trying to do too much? Suppose
I have 26 different plot ideas for novels. Do I spend a year churning out a
book a fortnight, a la Barbara Cartland, or do I spend a year crafting the
best novel I possibly can, possibly combining several of my ideas into one?
(Not that I'm comparing EF with BC, of course, although I'm sure he'd look
pretty in pink!)
Now I'm not a particularly creative person, but if I make something I want
to spend time ensuring it is the best it can be. And while creativity may
not be a limited thing, _time_ is. I know in business we are encouraged to
make something that is 'good enough' or 'fit for purpose', delivery on time
being a part of the requirement, but surely in creative work there is room
for a more perfectionist approach?
I realise it's possible to get too perfectionist, of course, in which case
nothing would ever get released. And (to avoid getting flamed!) I'm not
going to say that Edgar falls on one or other side of the happy medium -
I'm responding to the abstract point that Mark made and nothing more. What
do you creative types say?
LnH
Marion
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 2:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] (Forumtalk) Bulletin Board
----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Vertical'
> Apparently there would be other benefics (probebly mispelled) too. There
> would be the fact that more topics could be covered. I don't understand
the
> talk about 'don't separate this list'; hey, we have 500+ members, we
cannot
> be like just like a bunch of buddies. Even if 400 of those are lurkers,
we'd
> still need some effective crowd control.
> So go on, have side forums for 'Edgar Worship', 'Technical Jargon', 'Other
> Musicians', 'Collectors' Corner', '100% OT Chit-Chat' and so on
There is no reason why this cant be done in an email list. Just like I did
with the subject line for this message.
Glenn
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From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 3:24
pm
Subject: Bulletin boards
Hi Munt
For me, this format works just fine. I get a daily digest, I spend minimal
(expensive) time online, I skip over any bits in the digest I'm not
interested in (precious few), and I respond by e-mail to those points I
feel moved to, changing the subject line if I think I'm drifting away from
the original topic.
What would I gain from a bulletin board? (This is a serious question,
b.t.w. - maybe there are advantages I don't know about.)
On the other hand, there are probably others who feel as you do, and who
stand to benefit in ways that I do not. By all means go ahead and organise
your Electronic Music Web Bulletin Forum, and I hope it is successful and
topical and exciting and all the things you wish for it. There is no reason
why it and this list shouldn't coexist harmoniously.
LnH
Marion
From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 11:34
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
>The aim was that each member of the band had his own recording place to
work independently and prepare things'
I guess in the long term, this plan backfired on Edgar. After leaving TD,
both Chris and Johannes had nice studios of their own to move into, which
had been funded by TD's stack of soundtrack work!
- Chris
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 11:53
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Creativity is not a limited thing
> Surely there has to be a point where you're trying to do too much? Suppose
> I have 26 different plot ideas for novels. Do I spend a year churning out
a
> book a fortnight, a la Barbara Cartland, or do I spend a year crafting the
> best novel I possibly can, possibly combining several of my ideas into
one?
Novelist Clive Barker calls it 'disciplining the flow of ideas.' If a writer
(or musician of course) has a real creative flow of ideas for an extended
period, I think Barker's is a sensible approach, where instead of using
every idea immediately, the artist uses some of the ideas now (whichever are
relevant to the project on which he is working), and archives some for use
on later projects. If the artist finds himself in a creative dry spell in
the future, he can simply turn to his archive of ideas. I write a similar
type of fiction to Barker's, and keep an ideas book for present and future
reference, and a friend musician of mine does the same with melodies, etc
which he stores on tape with the intention of possibly using them in the
future if he doesn't do so right away.
I remember Edgar saying something along these lines in the 70s. He said the
band had tapes back in Berlin which they couldn't release yet as they were
too advanced for their time, and the public wasn't ready. A touch
condescending possibly, but if this were true, then the band had composed
and recorded these ideas, but then stored them for future use. Whether they
were ever released is another story. Maybe they had written White Eagle in
1977!
- Chris
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 4:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
John Vertical wrote:
>
> > On the TDI web site, Edgar says that in 17 years of collaboration he
> > and Chris met socially only once, when Chris' wife invited Edgar and
> > Monika to their home for dinner.
>
> I find this comment unbelieveable... Edgar appears to be trying to make
> Chris's departure look lees significant?
'Less significant'? I don't think so. I don't think you should read too
much into Ed's comment. Ed and Chris didn't socialize, that's all. But
they did practically live together in the TD Berlin studio.
> > I get the strong sense from other interviews that Edgar resents
> > Chris' use of some of the themes developed when they were together,
> > especially stuff on 'The London Concert'.
>
> Didn't he do exactly the same with Mothers of Rain, it originated in 86
> after all? And I don't think he consulted Chris at all about Tangents,
> SndMN, Antique Dreams etc.
Ed holds the rights to TD. He can always use whatever the band did
without getting the approval of former band members. The band didn't
break up. Chris left.
> > I seem to remember Chris also saying he felt Edgar had agreed to do
> > too much soundtrack work between 1983-87, and that the work load
> > had left Chris creatively exhausted. Extensive UK and US tours in
> > 1986, in addition to the regular studio LPs, didn't help either.
>
> Didn't Johannes also leave because of the overburden? Looks like
> they were in the 80s either
> 1) greedy
> 2) in need of large amounts of cash for some reason
> 3) too easily agreeing to sign a contract
Come on, John! Does wanting to be successful mean that you're 'greedy'?
No. Please don't slander.
Where was TD in the mid-80s? The band was on top of the EM mountain.
They'd finished a long contract with Virgin that'd made Virgin a ton of
money. They'd done some very successful movie work and were getting
requests for more and more all the time. They wanted to establish their
own, personal studios -- who wouldn't? EM was just going mainstream and
TD had a chance to become as big as Pink Floyd -- a stadium filler -- or
at least, I'm sure that's how it appeared at the time.
Please, cut the band, and Edgar some slack, eh?
Ciao -- Mark
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 4:40
pm
Subject: Valley of the Sun (was: [tadream] Bulletin Board)
John Vertical wrote:
>
> I think I've now read the whole forum thread so far. Well, here's what
> I think about this:
>
> I am myself happy with the situation at the moment, except that I'd
> surely like a decent archive search engine. I tried to look for James
> Owens's (was it him?) Valley of the Sun poetry, but I couldn't find it.
> :(
Here you go, John. From my personal archive (searched with a push of a
button)...
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:57:38 -0500
From: 'Owens, James' (excerpt)
I picture this as a hike to a mountain top. The climb starts
inconspicuously. The trail is steep and rough, but the view at the top -
looking off into the valley of the sun - makes all the effort worthwhile.
But bliss cannot last forever, and we must eventually return to the
trailhead, and back to life as usual...
I'll go to that high summit again and again,
for the majesty that spans beyond my ken.
My trek is long, but I will be strong
and though my journey's just begun,
my faith draws me there
to see the Valley of the Sun.
---poetry by James Owens, inspired by 'Valley of the Sun' by Tangerine
Dream
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 5:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
> > > I get the strong sense from other interviews that Edgar resents
> > > Chris' use of some of the themes developed when they were together,
> > > especially stuff on 'The London Concert'.
> >
> > Didn't he do exactly the same with Mothers of Rain, it originated in 86
> > after all? And I don't think he consulted Chris at all about Tangents,
> > SndMN, Antique Dreams etc.
>
>Ed holds the rights to TD. He can always use whatever the band did
>without getting the approval of former band members. The band didn't
>break up. Chris left.
Well, the right thing is not always the legal thing and vice versa...
Accusing someone from something you're doing is questionable, even if the
law is on your side.
John Vertical
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From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 5:33
pm
Subject: Re: Forum (hopefully non-inflammatory)
Not wanting to contribute to WW3, I have just deleted the massive post I
wrote. (Even more massive than this one has turned out to be!) There were
lots of comments about whether what the 'pro-forumites' perceived as
benefits were really beneficial, but the bottom line is:
As a dial-up user who has to pay for their on-line time, I have the most
reason to be conservative about changes. But if I can use e-mail to:
- get a daily digest of material (sounds as if I can)
- that is at about the same level of on-topicness as what I get now (not
too sure about this after Morgan's comments ),
- getting everything that has been posted without having to know a thread
exists and subscribe to it (Joe's explanation of the uberlist sounds as if
this will happen),
- without getting multiple copies because it has been cross-posted (will
cross posts even be possible?)
- and can post a reply without needing to know which sub-forum it's going
to (not clear about this yet - I will wait and see)
I will be happy.
If other people can get al the extra whizz-bang stuff that they perceive as
beneficial and I don't, that makes absolutely no difference to me except I
shall be glad if they're happy. (It's nice to be nice.)
In other words, by all means change - I would be happy to see a move away
from Yahoo, for a variety of reasons - but don't throw the baby out with
the bath water. If we were to go entirely web-based, I would probably
unsubscribe, simply because this is not very practical for me. And I _work_
in web development, so I don't think you could accuse me of being a
technophobe. But that isn't what is being planned, from the sounds of it,
so 'don't panic, Mr Mainwaring!'
On a point of information, at some point Morgan asked 'Don't you get ads
from yahoo now?' Well, in text only digest mode, the only thing I get
that's not from the list is 'Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ' at the bottom of the digest. I think I
can just about live with this!
Morgan, don't get sore. We're all change-resistant to an extent, and the
more we love a thing the harder some of us will fight to keep it the way it
is, and the harder others of us will fight to make it the best it can be,
and the crosser the two groups will get with each other because each will
think that the other is not responding to their concerns (and the more
we'll disagree about what 'the best it can be' actually is). Once everybody
has had a chance to voice their concerns, tell you it will never catch on,
and have a good grumble because its not the way it was before, they usually
settle down and try out the new thing on its actual merits. And once Joe
has finished doing what he's doing, that is what will have to happen.
But just because a forum is right for you doesn't mean it's right for
everybody. It did seem to me that people's reasonable concerns were driving
you to outrageousness in an attempt to get your point of view across. I
doubted what you said about adverts too, until you told us what your
credentials in the field were: that doesn't mean I thought you were a liar,
I just thought you had incomplete information. So just you and Vic make it
up, like good boys!
LnH
Marion
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 5:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Creativity is not a limited thing
>I realise it's possible to get too perfectionist, of course, in which case
>nothing would ever get released. And (to avoid getting flamed!) I'm not
>going to say that Edgar falls on one or other side of the happy medium -
>I'm responding to the abstract point that Mark made and nothing more. What
>do you creative types say?
>LnH
>Marion
I've heard several times that in creating something - a book, a music album or
anything - there's a point where you just have to abandon the work. And that is
true, at least for me; even after I finished my album and burned a master copy,
the following weekend I was just practising one of the tracks and I noticed I
just had to record it again because I wasn't 100% satisfied with what I had in
the master. Not counting another track I recorded in february and I knew it
would be better if I did it again, but I had to finish the work while still on
holidays. I already had to wait from the end of March, when I finished writing,
till July, holiday month, to record the most complicated one... Yeah, for me at
least, indeed there's a point where you just have to abandon the work otherwise
you'll be always improving but you'll never actually finish it.
GJ np. Staunen im Fjord - Selbsportrait I & II (Roedelius)
happy father's day! it's today down here in Brazil. do you have that too,
around the world?
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 5:44
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
At 16:34 11/8/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>>The aim was that each member of the band had his own recording place to
>work independently and prepare things'
Chris said:
>I guess in the long term, this plan backfired on Edgar. After leaving TD,
>both Chris and Johannes had nice studios of their own to move into, which
>had been funded by TD's stack of soundtrack work!
TD's soundtrack which Chris and Johannes created, with Edgar. I don't see any
problem with that! It's money well deserved for their, I believe, VERY hard
work.
GJ still playing Roedelius
p.s. should we create a sub-forum called 'now playing'?
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 5:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: TD Web Virtual Bulltin Board
'Jim is a moron' thread?
I missed that. I must have looked over it and deleted it from my mail. It is
nice to do that with email. If I was too see Dale is a moron, I would think
a bit, maybe get a bit angry, then wonder how can I delete that thread?
After all that I would have to live with that thread. I might be inclined to
leave the list. Now if one said this in jest, then I would have to be a bit
thick skin or know I am a moron for something I did. Either way, I rather
have this in email such that I can nuke. I have a hand held too that if I
was going to be away for a long period, I would use to get mail.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Jim Moore'
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 7:41 AM
Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: TD Web Virtual Bulltin Board
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 5:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Creativity is not a limited thing
>I remember Edgar saying something along these lines in the 70s. He said the
>band had tapes back in Berlin which they couldn't release yet as they were
>too advanced for their time, and the public wasn't ready. A touch
>condescending possibly, but if this were true, then the band had composed
>and recorded these ideas, but then stored them for future use. Whether they
>were ever released is another story. Maybe they had written White Eagle in
>1977!
>
>- Chris
My guess would be that he was referring to Green Desert. WE and the like
include probably too many things that were not accomplishable with 70s
equipment. Of course they could have some shells of finished pieces, but
that sounds unlikely.
-Except with some of the early 80s unreleased live material, perhaps... I'm
browsing Zebbyworld at the moment and the amount of new material TD is
supposed to have written for their 80 and 81 tours looks bewildering. I'm
playing TT vol.14 disk 2 at the moment, and at least Phase Change could well
have been written in the 70s.
John Vertical
np Diamond Duster. Kinda' like the evil twin brother of Beach Theme...
_________________________________________________________________
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From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 5:58
pm
Subject: Re: Album length
In a message dated 8/10/02 9:40:49 AM, glenn@f... writes:
>When an artist has filled up an album
>and thinks his work is ready, he could give it another look and see if
>it
>can be improved by cutting away something. That's the art - to improve
>on
>something you think is ready. And it is always more difficult to cut away
>than add on something that is 'ready'.
I don't understand. Okay, so you have a full album of stuff. How is simply
removing from it going to make it better? You may end up raising the average
quality per minute, I guess, but so what? An album with 6 good tracks is an
album with 6 good tracks, no matter how many other tracks are on it.
--Daniel
NP: Dream Theater - When Dream and Day Unite
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 6:09
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Forum (hopefully non-inflammatory)
>Morgan, don't get sore. We're all change-resistant to an extent,
...and that's a natural human behaviour.
just a half cent-
GJ
>So just you and Vic make it up, like good boys!
>LnH
>Marion
...and play some peaceful Roedelius music to chill out. ;)
a quarter cent-
GJ
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 6:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] (Forumtalk) Bulletin Board
> > So go on, have side forums for 'Edgar Worship', 'Technical Jargon',
>'Other
> > Musicians', 'Collectors' Corner', '100% OT Chit-Chat' and so on
>
>There is no reason why this cant be done in an email list. Just like I did
>with the subject line for this message.
Subject lines are, well, subjective. ;-) Not everyone will / is able to give
apt titles... and like I said in another part of my post, a topic might
evolve into something different (eg. the 'Quantum Fishics') - at the first
messages going to a different direction, people often forget to change the
subject line. Other people deleting them by title can have the impresson
that 'I don't like this' though they could in fact like it. Hence I at least
glance every message through, no matter what the topic line says. (And
occasionally, with the towel episode for instance, it can get pretty
ugly...)
John Vertical
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 3:50
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Creativity is not a limited thing
> My guess would be that he was referring to Green Desert.
Hmm, this could well be right John, but I've a feeling he might have been
referring to music other than this. The reason I say this is becuase, as I
remember it right, TD wrote and recorded Green Desert in 1973, and fully
intended to release it at that time. But before doing so, the whole John
Peel/Richard Branson thing took off, and after signing to Virgin, TD
ploughed a lot of the advance into a Moog modular system. Naturally, they
started toying with it at once, and wanted to use it extensively on their
next LP, which would go on to be Phaedra of course. They then considered
releasing Green Desert to be a step backwards, and not representative of the
sound they could now produce, and so shelved it (until 1986 as we all know).
So, in a way, Green Desert represented a step backward in TD's musical
journey, rather than the giant step forward to which Edgar seemed to be
referring in the interview about the 'hidden' tapes in Berlin. But, hey, I
guess only the true story will come from Edgar.
On a side note, not that he's planning one, but I think Edgar's
autobiography would be a fascinating read!
- Chris
(Now playing Red Shift live in Huizen 1999)
From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 3:55
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Album length
I agree Daniel, and personally I would much rather hear an album with 6 good
tracks and 5 average ones, (as opposed to an album consisting of merely the
6 good tracks) because then at least I get to hear those average tracks and
I can make up my own mind about how good they actually are! Plus, the
average tracks kind of place the better tracks in a different context. And
of course, who is to say which tracks are better and which are average in th
efirst place? The musician? The fans?
- Chris
(still playing Red Shift!)
> I don't understand. Okay, so you have a full album of stuff. How is simply
> removing from it going to make it better? You may end up raising the
average
> quality per minute, I guess, but so what? An album with 6 good tracks is
an
> album with 6 good tracks, no matter how many other tracks are on it.
>
> --Daniel
From:
'sequentc'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 4:26
am
Subject: TD Web Bulletin Board
Marion
In reply.......... there are a hundred reasons not to go to a web forum
format..... but one good reason to do so.
The really main advantage of a web forum would be the 'topics'
categories..... people can respond to the topics that they want to reply to
or what they want to read about ........better navigation of issues
etc................. we also have the additional benefit of extra areas to
discuss topics off the mainstream TD agenda....i.e. coffee room etc... you
can also see who is on line...?! The web forum would attract a more vibrant
society than what we have at the moment....the current list tends to be
dominated by the responses to the 'flavour of the week' type issue as
opposed to a true discussion site?!
Some individuals on the list may view the web forum as a inconvenience...but
many will benefit from the new forum immensely..... perhaps we should think
of the majority as opposed to the inconvenienced few....
I have been using a web based bulletin forum for three years and experience
has shown me it works well!
Munt1
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 8:39
pm
Subject: Old Stories
>>On the TDI web site, Edgar says that in 17 years of collaboration he and
>>Chris met socially only once, when Chris' wife invited Edgar and Monika
>>to their home for dinner.
> I find this comment unbelieveable... Edgar appears to be trying to make
> Chris's departure look lees significant?
I've met the band around their last Froese/Franke/Schmoelling
performance in Berlin in 1987, and I don't find it unbelievable.
I have no specific information, but a friendly and respectful 'business'
association between Edgar and Chris, with little extension into the
private area, is consistent with what I experienced.
regards
klaus
From:
Robert Grabowsky
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 9:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Web Bulletin Board
Why hunt and peck for a topic when you have it all delivered to you and
then you can read what you want and delete the rest?????
THE HIGHLANDER
At 09:26 PM 8/11/02 -0700, you wrote:
>Marion
>
>In reply.......... there are a hundred reasons not to go to a web forum
>format..... but one good reason to do so.
>
>The really main advantage of a web forum would be the 'topics'
>categories..... people can respond to the topics that they want to reply to
>or what they want to read about ........better navigation of issues
>etc................. we also have the additional benefit of extra areas to
>discuss topics off the mainstream TD agenda....i.e. coffee room etc... you
>can also see who is on line...?! The web forum would attract a more vibrant
>society than what we have at the moment....the current list tends to be
>dominated by the responses to the 'flavour of the week' type issue as
>opposed to a true discussion site?!
>
>Some individuals on the list may view the web forum as a inconvenience...but
>many will benefit from the new forum immensely..... perhaps we should think
>of the majority as opposed to the inconvenienced few....
>
>I have been using a web based bulletin forum for three years and experience
>has shown me it works well!
>
>Munt1
>
>
>
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>
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>http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 9:55
pm
Subject: [TT2] New TT2 updates and revised SHN file list
Hey all-
Tree participants will benefit from this SHN/Redbook/contents disk chart.
It helped me keep track of what I was burning:
http://www.tadream.net/tree/downloadcalculator/disks
Latest TT2 update:
http://www.tadream.net/tree/status/
(please update your status at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database/)
I draw the data from that yahoogroups database - and your e-mails to
tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com if you cannot get to yahoogroups yourself - to
create an Excel file and print pdf versions sorted in ways to help you find
what you need to know:
* all participants alphabetically
* all by Supplier
* by status
* (if you can think of another useful way, lemme know)
and put them in the status folder. The yahoogorups version is searchable,
so it's easy to use, but if you have problems let us know.
Thanks,
Joe Shoults
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 10:52
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Forum (hopefully non-inflammatory)
Hey Folks-
I've gotten behind on list mails, so I'm not up to date on this latest List
Structure Thread (haha- or on who's flamed whom this time). You can
Marion's comments always have a good balancing effect on things, so I
guessed her reply was the best starting point to jump into it.
I certainly do not want to sound smug or jaded; just the opposite, when I
say that this subject comes up regularly, and most of the time, most people
are just peachy keen the ways things are. But of course, we back here in
the workshed are always looking for viable alternatives. We have tested and
rejected many, maybe even ones we shouldn't have. We do not normally inform
everyone when we are working in the shed because, as you can see, it is
quite a distracting topic on-list. Note that we have not yet officially
adopted a new one; it just looks like vBulletin is really the best so far.
For our specific purposes, it is still unproven, barely tested and just set
up, still being configured. Adoption will depend in large part on how we
can soup it up to provide SEAMLESS transition and salient benefits for
subscribers.
But the technical mechanics are only one aspect of it. The point is, that
there are social dynamics at work in any list*, and I think any fear or
resistance to change is rooted in how the change in the structure and
mechanics of the list will affect the social dynamics of the list. How will
it affect how we interact? For example, will an uberlister's response to a
post that originated in a sub-forum go back to that sub-forum and vice
versa? Will categorizing discussions effectively fragment and disorient the
community at large?
Conversely, the benefits of having independence from yahoo include you being
able to have your own secure e-mail in the tadream.net domain if you want
(kinda like a hotmail thing), plus other benefits to you, plus we're
migrating the full historical tadream archives with more extensive search
capabilities, etc. Plus, it will be easier to automate the Tangerine Tree
management process with already-created profiles and a custom TT trading
database we're planning. Administrators have the added benefit of enhanced
administrative controls to free up our time to properly maintain - and
promote - the list. I could go on, but I think I'm being redundant already
and have probably already lost you anyway. ;-)
THE BOTTOM LINE:
Don't worry! we will take care to preserve the integrity of the Tadream
online community at large. The overall sense of community is what is most
important here, more important than extended search capabilities or fancy
thingamajigs.
Joe
* one example of this:
http://www.tadream.net/netiquet.htm#life
-----Original Message-----
From: Marion Horrod
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 8/11/02 1:33 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Forum (hopefully non-inflammatory)
From:
quarlie@a...
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 1:21
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Album length
In a message dated 8/11/02 3:54:38 PM, chris@o... writes:
>And of course, who is to say which tracks are better and which are average
>in the first place? The musician? The fans?
That's exactly why I'm not in favor of dropping tracks from a filled album.
Even if the musician him/herself doesn't dig a track that much, some
listener(s) might love it.
--Daniel
NP: Tangerine Tree Volume 1
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 2:26
am
Subject: you can just delete this ;) RE: Forum (hopefully non-inflammatory)
>(...) fancy thingamajigs.
>Joe
You know, I just love these words! 'thingamajigs', 'whiz-bang'...
hahahaahah!
will we have a sub-forum for them? ;)
GJ
(told you! :)
np: TOTT... (will post a message about this later...)
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 2:39
am
Subject: ToTT
>Gustavo posted:
>
>np: TOTT... (will post a message about this later...)
I look forward to your comments. This was my first TD purchase, although
I'd seen the movie Miracle Mile a few years earlier.
np (And no we don't need a subforum for this) Manchester June 5, 1976
-Morgan
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 6:16
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Vol 9 question
> >Vol.9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 complete concert
> >(source: digital copy of BBC IPS master tape, plus 1st
> >generation audience tape)
>
> I would assume that given the vintage, that 'IPS' is to stand for
> 'inches per second' (reel-to-reel). IF that's the case, then the
> number is missing. Was it 15? (I doubt it), 7.5? (most likely), or
> 3.75? (I don't THINK so, given the high sound quality).
It is 7.5 inches per second..
Heiko
From:
'Admin'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 6:35
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Vol 9 question
Heiko, isn't 7.5 just done to review? 15IPS for total spectrum sound (20 to
20k+)?
I seem to remember reading this on one of my old multi-tracks. Sort of like
using 16 bits as opposed to 24 bit or more, or 44.1KHz when 48KHz is better?
Off list would be fine if you are so inclined to comment.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Vol 9 question
>
>
> > >Vol.9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 complete concert
> > >(source: digital copy of BBC IPS master tape, plus 1st
> > >generation audience tape)
> >
> > I would assume that given the vintage, that 'IPS' is to stand for
> > 'inches per second' (reel-to-reel). IF that's the case, then the
> > number is missing. Was it 15? (I doubt it), 7.5? (most likely), or
> > 3.75? (I don't THINK so, given the high sound quality).
>
> It is 7.5 inches per second..
>
> Heiko
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 7:48
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD and vocals
On 10 Aug 2002 at 12:53, Paul Dryden wrote:
> example. 'Cyclone' was not regarded as a good album. Is it just me or
> should TD never try vocals?
I certainly get the impression that electronic musicians may be utterly
unused to dealing with vocals. Those on Cyclone are ok if a bit
eccentric (maybe because of it!), but we have to remember that they
were written by Steve Joliffe, who was only with TD for that album. The
lyrics on 'Tyger' are great, having been written by William Blake, but
their transition into music does not always work on the album. Other
experiments with vocals have been dire - both by TD ('Dreamtime') and
by former members (they SO spoil the otherwise beautiful 'Celestine
Prophecy').
Dennis
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From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 7:48
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bulletin Board
Finally, please remember that there are still some of us, at least in
Europe, who have to use their phone line to access the internet, and
fewer but still some who are on a pay-per-call basis and not on flatrate
or broadband. I, for one, like the idea of downloading the e-mails from
the list and then taking my time in replying to interesting topics, without
the fear of blocking the phone line for too long and without the nuisance
of waiting for a web page to build.
Call me a luddite all you want, but the mailing list format does have its
merits.
Dennis
From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 7:48
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum
On 10 Aug 2002 at 17:54, Mark Filipak wrote:
> > It's quite simple. Because everyone is replying to a certain topic,
> > the subject line would already be set. As long as you don't change
> > it, it will be even easier to follow a discussion.
>
> You are not answering the question, Morgan. Vic asked how he would
> reply without a browser. I want to know this too. Stop talking about
> how easy it is to read messages on-line. First, that's not what was
> asked, and second, it's not true that messages are easy to read
> on-line.
Replying to an e-mail and not changing the topic line will keep topics
coherent whichever environment you use to read your e-mails. If I want
my mails sorted by topic, I do so in Pegasus Mail. No problem at all.
A recent experience of mine concerning a new web-based forum and
its use of subject lines is that the forum creates the illusion of order
through its hierarchical use of headings. This illusion, however, is then
destroyed by people being unwilling or unable to click their way through
umpteen slow-building web pages to find information or reply to a
previous post. So what they do is post a new thread. At which point the
administrator steps in to slap people's wrists and move the post to the
appropriate branch of the forum. The result is a very long list of topics,
most of which have very little informative content, and a select few
catch-all topics which no one bothers to read because it is too
cumbersome.
I really don't mean to step on anyone's toes here. Everyone involved in
this discussion is, to me, a welcome and valuable member of this
community. But by changing the format of the forum just for the sake of
it (and it's not as if formats and providers hadn't changed in recent
years), I get the feeling that you may cause the list to lose those
subscribers that appreciate the e-mail format for the easy access to
diverse information that it offers.
Having an e-mail option in a forum that is going to be 'primarily' web-
based is like offering a vegetarian 'option' in a steak house. You can
choose it, but it's made damn clear to you that you'll be excluded from
the steak-house community in all but the physical sense.
Dennis
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 8:30
am
Subject: RE: Bulletin Board
Hi,
I'd support a move to this kind of system.
One of the main arguments against a change seems to be that some people feel
that it would be more expensive for them, as they pay per minute for access.
In my experience of similar BBs I can very quickly scan what is being talked
about in a very clear manner, decide what I want to read, and easily post
new threads that others may be interested in following. Your time online can
still be very brief.
I believe it will be a step forwards.
Just my 2 euros.
Daniel
From:
'Daniel Hobrecht'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 9:06
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 1452
Well, the right thing is not always the legal thing and vice versa...
Accusing someone from something you're doing is questionable, even if
the
law is on your side.
'to be honesty, you must live outside the law'
Bob Dylan
From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 10:14
am
Subject: Re: RE: Re: Forum (hopefully non-inflammatory)
Joe said: 'Marion's comments always have a good balancing effect on things'
Can you hear me blushing? That's the nicest thing anybody's said to me all
week!
LnXtraH
Marion
From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 10:21
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: RE: Re: Forum (hopefully non-inflammatory)
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Marion Horrod'
To:
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:14 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: RE: Re: Forum (hopefully non-inflammatory)
> Joe said: 'Marion's comments always have a good balancing effect on
things'
>
> Can you hear me blushing? That's the nicest thing anybody's said to me all
> week!
>
> LnXtraH
>
> Marion
>
it is only monday though ;)
Paul
From:
'richter_arne'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 10:26
am
Subject: Re: downloaders please report
--- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote:
> i'd like to get some immediate feedback on how the downloading
situation is
> coming along,
Well, I think the downloading, while a great idea, turned out to be a
disappointment. When the option of downloading was offered, the idea
was that users with high-speed connections could get the albums that
way. The problem was, that a lot of people have high-speed download
capabilities, but nobody has highspeed upload capabilities (yet).
Dale is working on it, but as of today, the highest download speed
offered by anyone is 15k. Using a download manager doesn't help much,
as most servers only allow 1 user at a time. So anybody using such a
manager will take away from other users the capability of even loggin
on.
Personally, I tried 3 servers and the highest actual speed was around
10K on the first, 6K on the second and the third I never got into in
3 days. And currently I cannot get into any server at all.
Luckily, my branch leader is now supplying me with CD-R disks that
should arrive in the mail shortly (Thanks, Marcel!). So I have no
problem with the tree itself. I only think the online idea was a bit
early for TT2. Hopefully with the next tree, Dale and maybe others
will be on faster lines - and in the future it will probably be the
preferred system. But for now, the good ole post office beat the
online techies by far...
Arne
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 10:48
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
Klaus Beschorner wrote:
>>>On the TDI web site, Edgar says that in 17 years of collaboration he and
>>>Chris met socially only once, when Chris' wife invited Edgar and Monika
>>>to their home for dinner.
>>>
>>I find this comment unbelieveable... Edgar appears to be trying to make
>>Chris's departure look lees significant?
>>
>
> I've met the band around their last Froese/Franke/Schmoelling
> performance in Berlin in 1987, and I don't find it unbelievable.
^^^^
there was a fr/fr/schm performance in eighty-*seven* ???
surely a typo, Klaus?
armin
--
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080
SUN Microsystems Ireland
'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.'
- Woody Allen
From:
'Greg'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 12:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bulletin Board
I agree with you, it can take me upwards to 30 or 40 minutes to write
messages to
this list and I often disconnect from my phone line (one phone line here)
when I write. It keeps the line open and takes the pressure off me so I can
write
something halfway comprehensible. And what about spell check? Do we want to
know
who the bad spellers are? I think this system also cuts down on the surplus
of
one liners and NTs found on bulletin boards. I like it done this way.
Greg H.
> Finally, please remember that there are still some of us, at least in
> Europe, who have to use their phone line to access the internet, and
> fewer but still some who are on a pay-per-call basis and not on flatrate
> or broadband. I, for one, like the idea of downloading the e-mails from
> the list and then taking my time in replying to interesting topics,
without
> the fear of blocking the phone line for too long and without the nuisance
> of waiting for a web page to build.
>
> Call me a luddite all you want, but the mailing list format does have its
> merits.
>
> Dennis
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 3:01
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] [TT2] New TT2 updates and revised SHN file list
Thanks Herbert-
Sorry folks; the correct URL is
http://www.tadream.net/tree/downloadcalculator/disks.htm
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Herbert
Hi Joe,
The use of URL mentioned in your mail resulted in an error.
> It helped me keep track of what I was burning:
> http://www.tadream.net/tree/downloadcalculator/disks
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Date
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35590
Deadly Care VHS
Paul Fellows
Fri
8/16/2002
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From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 3:13
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report
thanks Arne. I think you're right; it will get better in the future with
more distributed upload capacities.
If your download manager does this, try wetting it for multiple connections
to multiple servers, not necessarily on the same server. If you've ever
used Kazaa or Morpheus, you know it downloads from multiple disparate
sources to increase each file download speed.
If any download leaf or especially branch is having troubles, please let me
know. It is most important that the branches are supplied immediately, so
if downloading ain't cutting it, let me know and I'll get the disks to you
asap.
thanks,
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: richter_arne
Subject: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report
Well, I think the downloading, while a great idea, turned out to be a
disappointment. When the option of downloading was offered, the idea ... So
I have no
problem with the tree itself. I only think the online idea was a bit
early for TT2. Hopefully with the next tree, Dale and maybe others
will be on faster lines - and in the future it will probably be the
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From:
'Scott'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 2:52
pm
Subject: Re: Ed retiring
Back in 1970, when TD was really a band, with three members with three
different sets of ideas, I can see him saying he'd retire after 20 years of
TD and do his own thing. But since Chris's departure, TD has been Ed's baby,
so he's already doing his own thing, so why should he quit? He's doing
exactly what he wants to do now, which isprobably what he intended to do by
retiring.
Scott
NP: Grateful Dead, Buckeye Lake, 6/11/93
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 3:29
pm
Subject: Underwater Sunlight Sample
I just picked up a 12' single by:
Techno Brewster & D.J. Iceman
On Side One there is a track titled 'Dream on Tangerine' that features a
sample of the trademark sound from the Underwater Sunlight track 'Song of
the Whale Part One: From Dawn'. The tracks sounds, well uh, interesting...
Vic
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 3:43
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bulletin Board
'luddite'? I think you are doing what you have to do to get the information
as you need and can use. I would not call you that. I would use that term
when one has the ability to do better but choose to remain behind.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Dennis Nigbur'
To:
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bulletin Board
> Finally, please remember that there are still some of us, at least in
> Europe, who have to use their phone line to access the internet, and
> fewer but still some who are on a pay-per-call basis and not on flatrate
> or broadband. I, for one, like the idea of downloading the e-mails from
> the list and then taking my time in replying to interesting topics,
without
> the fear of blocking the phone line for too long and without the nuisance
> of waiting for a web page to build.
>
> Call me a luddite all you want, but the mailing list format does have its
> merits.
>
> Dennis
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 3:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Bulletin Board
That simple download of a digest is had to beat. You can expand that digest
if you choose to, then sort it anywhich way. I am not sure a web based
system 'only' will allow you this time saver / money saver.
note my keyword 'ONLY'. So far we have not been told this is so. Joe and
others are looking into many different items. We all know that Yahoo will be
altering the way we do business one day. We are trying hard to be ready for
that day. One of my new considerations to a system I am setting up now, is
to be able to handle forums for future use. Something more for me to add to
my ever growing list of requirements for my business web servers.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR'
To:
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 1:30 AM
Subject: [tadream] RE: Bulletin Board
> Hi,
>
> I'd support a move to this kind of system.
>
> One of the main arguments against a change seems to be that some people
feel
> that it would be more expensive for them, as they pay per minute for
access.
> In my experience of similar BBs I can very quickly scan what is being
talked
> about in a very clear manner, decide what I want to read, and easily post
> new threads that others may be interested in following. Your time online
can
> still be very brief.
>
> I believe it will be a step forwards.
>
> Just my 2 euros.
>
> Daniel
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 3:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report
True, I wasn't ready yet when the disks where. The system planned is online
towards the end of this month.When it is, then I move them to that system,
including tree 1 as well for those who have not had the time to do so yet.
Next tree, as we learn, things should smooth out even better.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'richter_arne'
To:
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 3:26 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report
> --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote:
> > i'd like to get some immediate feedback on how the downloading
> situation is
> > coming along,
>
> Well, I think the downloading, while a great idea, turned out to be a
> disappointment. When the option of downloading was offered, the idea
> was that users with high-speed connections could get the albums that
> way. The problem was, that a lot of people have high-speed download
> capabilities, but nobody has highspeed upload capabilities (yet).
> Dale is working on it, but as of today, the highest download speed
> offered by anyone is 15k. Using a download manager doesn't help much,
> as most servers only allow 1 user at a time. So anybody using such a
> manager will take away from other users the capability of even loggin
> on.
>
> Personally, I tried 3 servers and the highest actual speed was around
> 10K on the first, 6K on the second and the third I never got into in
> 3 days. And currently I cannot get into any server at all.
>
> Luckily, my branch leader is now supplying me with CD-R disks that
> should arrive in the mail shortly (Thanks, Marcel!). So I have no
> problem with the tree itself. I only think the online idea was a bit
> early for TT2. Hopefully with the next tree, Dale and maybe others
> will be on faster lines - and in the future it will probably be the
> preferred system. But for now, the good ole post office beat the
> online techies by far...
>
> Arne
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 3:57
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report
One other note, one of the nice things about this new system, it has some
additional hardware installed to allow me not to worry about IP address as
much. So I will be passing out login and pw's. Just a bit less time and work
for me.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Administrator'
To:
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report
> True, I wasn't ready yet when the disks where. The system planned is
online
> towards the end of this month.When it is, then I move them to that system,
> including tree 1 as well for those who have not had the time to do so yet.
> Next tree, as we learn, things should smooth out even better.
>
> dale
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'richter_arne'
> To:
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 3:26 AM
> Subject: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report
>
>
> > --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote:
> > > i'd like to get some immediate feedback on how the downloading
> > situation is
> > > coming along,
> >
> > Well, I think the downloading, while a great idea, turned out to be a
> > disappointment. When the option of downloading was offered, the idea
> > was that users with high-speed connections could get the albums that
> > way. The problem was, that a lot of people have high-speed download
> > capabilities, but nobody has highspeed upload capabilities (yet).
> > Dale is working on it, but as of today, the highest download speed
> > offered by anyone is 15k. Using a download manager doesn't help much,
> > as most servers only allow 1 user at a time. So anybody using such a
> > manager will take away from other users the capability of even loggin
> > on.
> >
> > Personally, I tried 3 servers and the highest actual speed was around
> > 10K on the first, 6K on the second and the third I never got into in
> > 3 days. And currently I cannot get into any server at all.
> >
> > Luckily, my branch leader is now supplying me with CD-R disks that
> > should arrive in the mail shortly (Thanks, Marcel!). So I have no
> > problem with the tree itself. I only think the online idea was a bit
> > early for TT2. Hopefully with the next tree, Dale and maybe others
> > will be on faster lines - and in the future it will probably be the
> > preferred system. But for now, the good ole post office beat the
> > online techies by far...
> >
> > Arne
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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8/12/2002
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 4:08
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Old Stories
Klaus,
If this was actually 1987, wasn't Chris already planning to leave by the
time they did that concert (Livemiles pt. 2)?
So maybe the 'personal distance' you noticed was a recent development, and
not the way things had been in the past?
James
-----Original Message-----
I've met the band around their last Froese/Franke/Schmoelling
performance in Berlin in 1987, and I don't find it unbelievable.
I have no specific information, but a friendly and respectful 'business'
association between Edgar and Chris, with little extension into the
private area, is consistent with what I experienced.
regards
klaus
From:
'duncan mckee'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 4:14
pm
Subject: tangerine dream video cds on ebay
hi
i have listed a few rare video cds on ebay, just search for my user name
Duncan41
or go direct to here
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i will consider trading these items for cds on my wants list
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From:
Michael Fox
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 4:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum
At 05:12 PM 08/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Tell me how would it be easier for me to reply to an e-mail than it is now?
Well Vic, you're missing all the javascript, shockwave and flash that could
be used to completely muck things up. :-) Until another way has been tested
and run for some time, I'd hate to see this list jump ship to the latest
internet craze just because it is there.
Mike
From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 4:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
Someone from the magazine, 'Beyond the Horizon', I think his name is Brian
Kirby (sorry if I'm wrong; I'm bad with names), can probably expand on the
brouhaha that developed and was posted there regarding the bad blood between
EF and CF. It had something to do with a comment that CF made about having
done most of the music for TD in the past few years and EF being responsible
for the business end. EF took exception to his musical contributions being
slighted. 8-Dell
>From: 'Chris Owen'
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
>Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 19:00:49 -0700
>
>Chris Franke's departure was first announced officially in a very small
>piece on page 4 of the second issue of The Tangible Dream, the old fan club
>newsletter. Here's what it said.....
>
>' 'The Change' - After a working decade of 17 years, Chris Franke decided
>to
>work on his solo career. He said that it's time for a 'creative break'. He
>spends a lot of time composing and concentrating on hard and software
>development. Chris has been replaced by Ralf Vadeful (sic?), a keyboard
>wizard who also works on computer terminals and is a trained audio
>engineer.
>He has already co-composed one track of the forthcoming new studio album
>'Optical Race' which will be released worl wide in July '88.'
>
>Since then, more details have emerged in interviews regarding his leaving.
>Fans naturally wanted to know more about why Chris had left so suddenly. We
>eventually learned that Edgar and Chris had reputedly only ever seen each
>other once outside their involvment in the band, and so many fans assumed
>that their relationship was strictly professional. Chris was reported as
>saying he no longer felt the band's music was challenging enough, to which
>Edgar replied (in a somewhat barbed comment) that Chris should be judged on
>the music he has made since leaving (i.e., his soundtrack work, which Edgar
>clearly doesn't think very much of!) I seem to remember Chris also saying
>he
>felt Edgar had agreed to do too much soundtrack work between 1983-87, and
>that the work load had left Chris creatively exhausted. Extensive UK and US
>tours in 1986, in addition to the regular studio LPs, didn't help either.
>I don't think there was very much (if any) contact between them for many
>years after Chris left, although I think I'm right in saying they have been
>in touch in more recent years, if only to exchange tapes over the Atlantic
>(Chris is based in LA) when collaborating on the unreleased CD for the
>Dream
>Roots Collection.
>
>If anyone can expand upon or correct any of this info, please do!
>
>- Chris
As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 4:56
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: RE: Re: Forum (hopefully non-inflammatory)
> > LnXtraH
> >
> > Marion
What does this LnH mean, anyway?
John Vertical (giving you an example of what kind of stuff people usually
fill forums with...)
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 5:15
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
In a message dated 8/12/2002 9:46:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
outlanda60@h... writes:
> Someone from the magazine, 'Beyond the Horizon', I think his name is Brian
> Kirby (sorry if I'm wrong; I'm bad with names), can probably expand on the
> brouhaha that developed and was posted there regarding the bad blood
> between
> EF and CF. It had something to do with a comment that CF made about having
> done most of the music for TD in the past few years and EF being
> responsible
> for the business end. EF took exception to his musical contributions being
> slighted. 8-Dell
>
*This is a shame, but not uncommon really. The music biz is littered with
these
kinds of horror stories... I don't remember the exact quote, but do remember
being
very disappointed by a quote from Edgar that Paul Haslinger was the ONLY
person he had fond memories of working with... I thought that spoke volumes
about Edgar...
in a not so great light when combined with the amount of revisioning I was
seeing.
Poly
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
Jonathan Holt
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 5:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD and vocals
I thought the vocals on the Shy People soundtrack were
ok - relatively 'normal'. I don't know what Joliffe
was smoking on Cyclone!
>
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 2:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bulletin Board
I'm with you, Dennis! My feelings precisely.
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Nigbur
To:
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Bulletin Board
> Finally, please remember that there are still some of us, at least in
> Europe, who have to use their phone line to access the internet, and
> fewer but still some who are on a pay-per-call basis and not on flatrate
> or broadband. I, for one, like the idea of downloading the e-mails from
> the list and then taking my time in replying to interesting topics,
without
> the fear of blocking the phone line for too long and without the nuisance
> of waiting for a web page to build.
>
> Call me a luddite all you want, but the mailing list format does have its
> merits.
>
> Dennis
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 2:12
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
If I'm not mistaken, Chris Franke left TD the day after the 1st August 1987
concert in Berlin.
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Owens, James
To:
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Old Stories
> Klaus,
>
> If this was actually 1987, wasn't Chris already planning to leave by the
> time they did that concert (Livemiles pt. 2)?
> So maybe the 'personal distance' you noticed was a recent development, and
> not the way things had been in the past?
>
> James
>
> -----Original Message-----
From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 2:18
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
I also remember Edgar commenting favourably about Paul Haslinger, though I'm
sure he was very complimentary about Johannes too. In fact, the very
omission of Chris Franke's name from the list of ex-TD members who Edgar had
enjoyed working with speaks volumes.
- Chris
NP - Depeche Mode 'Exciter'
> *This is a shame, but not uncommon really. The music biz is littered with
> these
> kinds of horror stories... I don't remember the exact quote, but do
remember
> being
> very disappointed by a quote from Edgar that Paul Haslinger was the ONLY
> person he had fond memories of working with... I thought that spoke
volumes
> about Edgar...
> in a not so great light when combined with the amount of revisioning I was
> seeing.
>
> Poly
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 6:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
What is Chris Franke's full name?
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Chris Owen'
To:
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
> I also remember Edgar commenting favourably about Paul Haslinger, though
I'm
> sure he was very complimentary about Johannes too. In fact, the very
> omission of Chris Franke's name from the list of ex-TD members who Edgar
had
> enjoyed working with speaks volumes.
>
> - Chris
>
> NP - Depeche Mode 'Exciter'
>
> > *This is a shame, but not uncommon really. The music biz is littered
with
> > these
> > kinds of horror stories... I don't remember the exact quote, but do
> remember
> > being
> > very disappointed by a quote from Edgar that Paul Haslinger was the ONLY
> > person he had fond memories of working with... I thought that spoke
> volumes
> > about Edgar...
> > in a not so great light when combined with the amount of revisioning I
was
> > seeing.
> >
> > Poly
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
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From:
'convention24'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 7:42
pm
Subject: The Best Of Tangerine Dream CD on ebay
Buy it Now for $111.11. Now thats what i call inflatory prices.
From:
'Robert Asmus'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 7:43
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report
In an effort to try and help the people that are downloading from my
server I have cut my regular clients down to 1 KB/s to try and speed up
my connection
Robert Asmus
Email: Asmus0324@c...
Home Page:http://members.cox.net/asmus0324/
-----Original Message-----
From: Administrator [mailto:admin@k...]
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:57 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report
One other note, one of the nice things about this new system, it has
some
additional hardware installed to allow me not to worry about IP address
as
much. So I will be passing out login and pw's. Just a bit less time and
work
for me.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Administrator'
To:
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report
> True, I wasn't ready yet when the disks where. The system planned is
online
> towards the end of this month.When it is, then I move them to that
system,
> including tree 1 as well for those who have not had the time to do so
yet.
> Next tree, as we learn, things should smooth out even better.
>
> dale
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'richter_arne'
> To:
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 3:26 AM
> Subject: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report
>
>
> > --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote:
> > > i'd like to get some immediate feedback on how the downloading
> > situation is
> > > coming along,
> >
> > Well, I think the downloading, while a great idea, turned out to be
a
> > disappointment. When the option of downloading was offered, the idea
> > was that users with high-speed connections could get the albums that
> > way. The problem was, that a lot of people have high-speed download
> > capabilities, but nobody has highspeed upload capabilities (yet).
> > Dale is working on it, but as of today, the highest download speed
> > offered by anyone is 15k. Using a download manager doesn't help
much,
> > as most servers only allow 1 user at a time. So anybody using such a
> > manager will take away from other users the capability of even
loggin
> > on.
> >
> > Personally, I tried 3 servers and the highest actual speed was
around
> > 10K on the first, 6K on the second and the third I never got into in
> > 3 days. And currently I cannot get into any server at all.
> >
> > Luckily, my branch leader is now supplying me with CD-R disks that
> > should arrive in the mail shortly (Thanks, Marcel!). So I have no
> > problem with the tree itself. I only think the online idea was a bit
> > early for TT2. Hopefully with the next tree, Dale and maybe others
> > will be on faster lines - and in the future it will probably be the
> > preferred system. But for now, the good ole post office beat the
> > online techies by far...
> >
> > Arne
> >
> >
> >
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From:
'Robert Asmus'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 7:48
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report
In another note, I have had isp problems and that will be resolved on
8/13/02. Seems I either have a bad modem or my lines are bad. Or both
I have been battling with Cox (Cocks) for several months over this and
they state that this will be resolved on their visit tomorrow. Sorry
for the inconvience.
Robert Asmus
Email: Asmus0324@c...
Home Page:http://members.cox.net/asmus0324/
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Asmus [mailto:asmus0324@c...]
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 3:44 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report
In an effort to try and help the people that are downloading from my
server I have cut my regular clients down to 1 KB/s to try and speed up
my connection
Robert Asmus
Email: Asmus0324@c...
Home Page:http://members.cox.net/asmus0324/
-----Original Message-----
From: Administrator [mailto:admin@k...]
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:57 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report
One other note, one of the nice things about this new system, it has
some
additional hardware installed to allow me not to worry about IP address
as
much. So I will be passing out login and pw's. Just a bit less time and
work
for me.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Administrator'
To:
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report
> True, I wasn't ready yet when the disks where. The system planned is
online
> towards the end of this month.When it is, then I move them to that
system,
> including tree 1 as well for those who have not had the time to do so
yet.
> Next tree, as we learn, things should smooth out even better.
>
> dale
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'richter_arne'
> To:
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 3:26 AM
> Subject: [tadream] Re: downloaders please report
>
>
> > --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote:
> > > i'd like to get some immediate feedback on how the downloading
> > situation is
> > > coming along,
> >
> > Well, I think the downloading, while a great idea, turned out to be
a
> > disappointment. When the option of downloading was offered, the idea
> > was that users with high-speed connections could get the albums that
> > way. The problem was, that a lot of people have high-speed download
> > capabilities, but nobody has highspeed upload capabilities (yet).
> > Dale is working on it, but as of today, the highest download speed
> > offered by anyone is 15k. Using a download manager doesn't help
much,
> > as most servers only allow 1 user at a time. So anybody using such a
> > manager will take away from other users the capability of even
loggin
> > on.
> >
> > Personally, I tried 3 servers and the highest actual speed was
around
> > 10K on the first, 6K on the second and the third I never got into in
> > 3 days. And currently I cannot get into any server at all.
> >
> > Luckily, my branch leader is now supplying me with CD-R disks that
> > should arrive in the mail shortly (Thanks, Marcel!). So I have no
> > problem with the tree itself. I only think the online idea was a bit
> > early for TT2. Hopefully with the next tree, Dale and maybe others
> > will be on faster lines - and in the future it will probably be the
> > preferred system. But for now, the good ole post office beat the
> > online techies by far...
> >
> > Arne
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------_-
> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
> >
> > Tangerine Tree info at
> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 4:52
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
I think Christoph Franke is the correct spelling, though maybe one of our
German friends on the list be able to educate us on the correct extension of
the name Chris in their country. Guys?
- Chris
NP - What A Blast
----- Original Message -----
From: Administrator
To:
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
> What is Chris Franke's full name?
>
> dale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Chris Owen'
> To:
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
>
>
> > I also remember Edgar commenting favourably about Paul Haslinger, though
> I'm
> > sure he was very complimentary about Johannes too. In fact, the very
> > omission of Chris Franke's name from the list of ex-TD members who Edgar
> had
> > enjoyed working with speaks volumes.
> >
> > - Chris
> >
> > NP - Depeche Mode 'Exciter'
> >
> > > *This is a shame, but not uncommon really. The music biz is littered
> with
> > > these
> > > kinds of horror stories... I don't remember the exact quote, but do
> > remember
> > > being
> > > very disappointed by a quote from Edgar that Paul Haslinger was the
ONLY
> > > person he had fond memories of working with... I thought that spoke
> > volumes
> > > about Edgar...
> > > in a not so great light when combined with the amount of revisioning I
> was
> > > seeing.
> > >
> > > Poly
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> >
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> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
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> >
> >
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 10:16
pm
Subject: Christoph Franke
It is Christoph on most of the old interviews and album covers. The first I
heard him called 'Christopher' was on the Risky Business promo spots.
Announcer: 'How would you describe this music?'
*an excerpt from 'The Dream is Always the Same'*
CF: 'We call it electronic music or spherical music...'
Announcer: 'He should know. He's Christopher Franke...'
Perhaps he goes by 'Christopher' now because that's how he was remembered
for his contribution to the most well-known TD soundtrack. (Especially
since he's primarily in the soundtrack business.)
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Owen [mailto:chris@o...]
>
> I think Christoph Franke is the correct spelling,
> ----- Original Message -----
> > What is Chris Franke's full name?
> >
> > dale
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Tue
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From:
'sean_w_montgomery'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 10:26
pm
Subject: Re: downloaders please report
I'm being a download slut...I'm grabbing from every server I can break
into. And this afternoon, I was delighted to find I could get very
swfit speeds (500 kbs+) from Georg Oppenberg. Thank you Georg! I
went staight for the early 80s shows, and was not disappointed. At
last, I have a great sounding version of Silver Scale - as originally
performed! This is some great stuff....kudos to everyone involved.
-Sean
From:
Deb H-J
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 10:39
pm
Subject: Bulletin Board
Klaus:
<< At the moment, I still like the mailing list
approach better, for practical reasons and because I
get to see all posts - even if I chose
to ignore most of them. >>
As a relatively new TD fan (compared to some of you
Old Phart Types out there :o}), I like getting reading
all the posts in digest fashion because it lets me
absorb a lot of information with doable effort. I
admit I sort of scan through most of the messages, but
I'm always on the lookout for little tidbits that will
prove useful. When I was at Okefenokee, it wasn't the
names so much as my impressions about people from
reading the list that allowed me to open up and get to
know everyone.
I sort of agree that the BB idea should exist side by
side with the Yahoo list as it is now.
Just my $2 worth,
Deb H-J
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From:
Dan Downey
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 10:45
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Legal Live Tape trading network
I ran into Further Net a few weeks ago and have
downloaded some very nice shows from it (Flaming Lips,
Modest Mouse, etc.) The nice thing about it is that
they list the bands that are being hosted by members
and you can get good details on the shows. Amazingly
they differentiate SHN vs MP3. I've only downloaded
SHN and they've been great.
On the downside, all I can say is that the band
listing is slim with very little EM, in fact Tortoise
and Songs Ohia are the closest to EM that I've seen.
It's a real hit or miss as to what is actually
available to download, there have been a couple of
listings where nothing comes up when you search the
artist, I'm not sure if this is because nobody hosting
in on line or not. Once you initiate a download you'll
find that the server connections come and go with a
lot of frequency but it does remember where it left
off. I've found it takes an average of 3-4 days to get
a big fat SHN (700MB)
I'm on the SHN branch of the TDTree so have them all
but I have not made them available, at some point I
was going to address this with the list but don't know
who could give approval to it.
I've liked what I've received so far from this service
and would like it to grow.
--- John Vertical wrote:
> >Hi guys,
> >
> >check this out, there's a filesharing network to
> trade live
> >concerts, but only from bands who've officially
> allowed this:
> >
> >http://furthurnet.com
>
>
> Hmm, could this be used as a way to DOWN some
> further TTrees?
> just a thought...
>
> John Vertical
>
>
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 11:04
pm
Subject: TT2 SHNs
>From: Dan Downey
>Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 5:45 pm
>Subject: Re: [tadream] Legal Live Tape trading network
>I'm on the SHN branch of the TDTree so have them all
>but I have not made them available, at some point I
>was going to address this with the list but don't know
>who could give approval to it.
>
>I've liked what I've received so far from this service
>and would like it to grow.
Well, FurtherNet would first require a greenlight from Virgin AND Tangerine
Dream. I'm not holding my breath.
If you have the Tree as SHNs and would like to offer some of your bandwidth
to people downloading, your best bet is to download Serv-U FTP and talk to
Joe about how to get listed so people can download from you. I can help you
get the FTP configured if you wish.
-Morgan
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From:
'mikebrowder'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 11:31
pm
Subject: TT2: please help
I contacted the person I was supposed to get my discs from (I am a leaf), but
he didn't seem to know what I was talking about, and I haven't heard from him
since. Could whoever is in charge of the tree structure please contact me (at
spawnofcthulhu@w...).
Thanks, mike
From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 7:29
am
Subject: TTree2
Got my disks yesterday, and am listening to Paris Bataclan (1981/02/02)
right now. What a way to start the day! The quality is astounding, to say
nothing of the content.
Many thanks to everybody involved, Heiko, the back room boys, the cover
artists, and not forgetting the branches who turned it around so fast.
(Also the band, for making the music in the first place, of course!)
LnH
Marion
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 7:56
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TTree2
> Got my disks yesterday, and am listening to Paris Bataclan (1981/02/02)
> right now. What a way to start the day! The quality is astounding, to say
> nothing of the content.
Paris Bataclan is indeed a fantastic concert...Sequencer mania!
> Many thanks to everybody involved, Heiko, the back room boys,
'Heiko & the back room boys'..sounds like a German Schmaltz group of the 50s
~LOL~
> (Also the band, for making the music in the first place, of course!)
Of course!..& merci beaucoup to the person who taped the show in Paris, this
is surely one of the best sounding TD audience recordings ever.
Heiko
From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 7:58
am
Subject: RE: Re: downloaders please report
'try wetting it for multiple connections'
Yup, should get multiple connections that way all right!
(We physicists know these things, you know.)
LnH
Marion
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 8:52
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
'Christoph' is correct german spelling.
armin
Chris Owen wrote:
> I think Christoph Franke is the correct spelling, though maybe one of our
> German friends on the list be able to educate us on the correct extension of
> the name Chris in their country. Guys?
>
> - Chris
>
> NP - What A Blast
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Administrator
> To:
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
>
>
>
>>What is Chris Franke's full name?
>>
>>dale
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: 'Chris Owen'
>>To:
>>Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:18 PM
>>Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
>>
>>
>>
>>>I also remember Edgar commenting favourably about Paul Haslinger, though
>>>
>>I'm
>>
>>>sure he was very complimentary about Johannes too. In fact, the very
>>>omission of Chris Franke's name from the list of ex-TD members who Edgar
>>>
>>had
>>
>>>enjoyed working with speaks volumes.
>>>
>>>- Chris
>>>
>>>NP - Depeche Mode 'Exciter'
>>>
>>>
>>>>*This is a shame, but not uncommon really. The music biz is littered
>>>>
>>with
>>
>>>>these
>>>>kinds of horror stories... I don't remember the exact quote, but do
>>>>
>>>remember
>>>
>>>>being
>>>>very disappointed by a quote from Edgar that Paul Haslinger was the
>>>>
> ONLY
>
>>>>person he had fond memories of working with... I thought that spoke
>>>>
>>>volumes
>>>
>>>>about Edgar...
>>>>in a not so great light when combined with the amount of revisioning I
>>>>
>>was
>>
>>>>seeing.
>>>>
>>>>Poly
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----------------------------------------------------_-
>>>>To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>>>>----------------------------------------------------_-
>>>>Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
>>>>http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>>>>
>>>>Tangerine Tree info at
>>>>http://www.tadream.net/tree
>>>>
>>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>>>>
>>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>----------------------------------------------------_-
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>>>----------------------------------------------------_-
>>>Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
>>>http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>>>
>>>Tangerine Tree info at
>>>http://www.tadream.net/tree
>>>
>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>>>
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
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>>http://www.tadream.net/tree
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 9:07
am
Subject: [tadream] Re: Bulletin Board
This current situation is the best IMO, but I don't
actually care if this place would move into a message
board. So I guess I'm neutral in this subject.
Only problem about message board is that the subjects
aren't necessarily so restricted as they are in here.
But there could be some secondary forums as in
www.b5tv.com. There's different forums for off topic,
B5, Crusade, etc.
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From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 9:55
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
Does anyone know whether Chris Franke's official name is 'Christoph'
or 'Christopher', though? Both are acceptable in German, and both
have been thrown around in musical contexts.
Dennis
On 13 Aug 2002 at 9:52, Armin Theissen wrote:
> 'Christoph' is correct german spelling.
>
> armin
>
> Chris Owen wrote:
>
> > I think Christoph Franke is the correct spelling, though maybe one
> > of our German friends on the list be able to educate us on the
> > correct extension of the name Chris in their country. Guys?
> >
> > - Chris
> >
> > NP - What A Blast
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Administrator
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
> >
> >
> >
> >>What is Chris Franke's full name?
> >>
> >>dale
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: 'Chris Owen'
> >>To:
> >>Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:18 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I also remember Edgar commenting favourably about Paul Haslinger,
> >>>though
> >>>
> >>I'm
> >>
> >>>sure he was very complimentary about Johannes too. In fact, the
> >>>very omission of Chris Franke's name from the list of ex-TD members
> >>>who Edgar
> >>>
> >>had
> >>
> >>>enjoyed working with speaks volumes.
> >>>
> >>>- Chris
> >>>
> >>>NP - Depeche Mode 'Exciter'
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>*This is a shame, but not uncommon really. The music biz is
> >>>>littered
> >>>>
> >>with
> >>
> >>>>these
> >>>>kinds of horror stories... I don't remember the exact quote, but
> >>>>do
> >>>>
> >>>remember
> >>>
> >>>>being
> >>>>very disappointed by a quote from Edgar that Paul Haslinger was
> >>>>the
> >>>>
> > ONLY
> >
> >>>>person he had fond memories of working with... I thought that
> >>>>spoke
> >>>>
> >>>volumes
> >>>
> >>>>about Edgar...
> >>>>in a not so great light when combined with the amount of
> >>>>revisioning I
> >>>>
> >>was
> >>
> >>>>seeing.
> >>>>
> >>>>Poly
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>
> >>>>
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From:
'Matthew Sawyer'
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 9:58
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Old Stories
From: 'Dennis Nigbur'
> Does anyone know whether Chris Franke's official name is 'Christoph'
> or 'Christopher', though? Both are acceptable in German, and both
> have been thrown around in musical contexts.
It's Christoph, but he uses 'Christopher' as it's a more common name in
America (hence his credit on stuff like B5).
Maff
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From:
'Georg Oppenberg'
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 10:53
am
Subject: RE: Re: downloaders please report
You (and nine others at the same time) are welcome!
This server is directly (100 Mbit/s) at the biggest backbone of the world. I
think it can saturate everybodies DSL line.
Have fun!
Georg
> I'm being a download slut...I'm grabbing from every server I can break
> into. And this afternoon, I was delighted to find I could get very
> swfit speeds (500 kbs+) from Georg Oppenberg. Thank you Georg! I
> went staight for the early 80s shows, and was not disappointed. At
> last, I have a great sounding version of Silver Scale - as originally
> performed! This is some great stuff....kudos to everyone involved.
>
> -Sean
>
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 6:03
pm
Subject: Re: TT2 SHNs
> Looking for a friendly place to chat in real-time about Tangerine Dream?
> Usually, we get quite a few visitors from the UK, Europe, and Asia on
Friday...
...and me from the Wild Far South.
always with a good nowplaying.
(even if it's just the ceiling fan.)
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 11:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Christoph Franke
I read an explanation from Franke that they started calling him (or he
started calling himself possibly) Christopher Franke when they started
working extensively outside Germany, to make it easier to say his name.
Apparently Christoph Franke with two F's meeting would sound 'Christo
Franke' or 'Christof Ranke' which wouldnt be entirely correct.
Glenn
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 4:01
pm
Subject: Green Desert & missing Peter (was: [tadream] Creativity is not a limited thing)
Hi Chris and everyone interested in Green Desert!
________________________________________________________________________
Green Desert 1973 [Aug 73] - EF+CF
1 Green Desert [19:25] 3 Astral Voyager [7:03]
2 White Clouds [5:01] 4 Indian Summer [6:53]
_______
__/ Notes \___________________________________________________________
As of 2002, these original mixes have never been released. Also see:
Green Desert 1984.
'Peter Meisel, with whom we were before court, bought this monster [a
Moog synthesizer] from the [Rolling] Stones' management. A heap of
cables and scrap iron. No-one knew how to use the thing. But Chris
had a soft spot for it. When the first sounds emerged, we went crazy.
Meisel said: 'Can we produce hits with this thing?' and we said: 'No,
you sell it to us'. Thus we got hold of our first Moog'. - EF
('Rolling Stone' magazine, 1996).
'When we bought this first synth, we first of all had to learn how to
decode the technical terms, there was no translation/instruction
manual, nothing at all' - EF (in 'Musik Express' magazine).
'In 1973 Peter Baumann left the group for a short time. Edgar and
Christopher went into the Berlin Skyline studio with new material.
However the results of this work didn't appear until 1986 on the album
'Green Desert'.' - Stephan Schelle ('Rock News' magazine, Dec, 2000).
________________________________________________________________________
I wonder what Peter thought when he got back. TD was almost a different
band.
Where was Peter anyway? Anyone know why he left the band, and for how
long. Hmm.... let's see.
Was Peter in the show in Lyon in July 3rd.?
Klaus stood in for him during the three shows in August (Paris on the
23rd, La Rochelle on the 24th, and Roanne on the 25th), right?
Was Peter back for the show in Berlin on the 29th of November?
Ciao -- Mark
From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 4:14
pm
Subject: Re: Green Desert & missing Peter (was: [tadream] Creativity is not a limited thing)
Mark Filipak wrote:
>
> Where was Peter anyway? Anyone know why he left the band, and for how
> long. Hmm.... let's see.
I think he went to Nepal and/or Tibet
>
> Was Peter in the show in Lyon in July 3rd.?
>
> Klaus stood in for him during the three shows in August (Paris on the
> 23rd, La Rochelle on the 24th, and Roanne on the 25th), right?
Klaus Schulze? Not Michael Hoenig?
>
> Was Peter back for the show in Berlin on the 29th of November?
>
> Ciao -- Mark
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 4:23
pm
Subject: Re: Green Desert & missing Peter (was: [tadream] Creativity is not a limited thing)
Hi Armin!
Armin Theissen, a TD die-hard who goes waaaayyyy back, wrote:
>
> Mark Filipak wrote:
>
> > Where was Peter anyway? Anyone know why he left the band, and for how
> > long. Hmm.... let's see.
>
> I think he went to Nepal and/or Tibet
>
> > Was Peter in the show in Lyon in July 3rd.?
> >
> > Klaus stood in for him during the three shows in August (Paris on the
> > 23rd, La Rochelle on the 24th, and Roanne on the 25th), right?
>
> Klaus Schulze? Not Michael Hoenig?
>
> > Was Peter back for the show in Berlin on the 29th of November?
You're confused, Armin -- understandable. You're thinking of March, 1975,
when Peter went to Lhasa to study Zen meditation and Michael Hoenig
filled in for the Australasian Tour.
I'm referring to August, 1973. Peter was gone and Chris and Ed recorded
some stuff that eventually became 'Green Desert'. Peter still wasn't back
for three shows in France at the end of August and I think KS filled in
for him. I think that the show at L'Arc en Ciel in Roanne on the 25th of
August was the very last time KS appeared with TD.
All help with these details will be gratefully appreciated.
Ciao -- Mark
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 4:27
pm
Subject: KS/TD 73
Now if someone discovers tapes of some of these shows...
James
> -----Original Message-----
> Peter still wasn't back
> for three shows in France at the end of August and I think KS
> filled in
> for him. I think that the show at L'Arc en Ciel in Roanne on
> the 25th of
> August was the very last time KS appeared with TD.
>
> Ciao -- Mark
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From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 4:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] KS/TD 73
'Owens, James' wrote:
>
> Now if someone discovers tapes of some of these shows...
Indeed! I would love to hear what Klaus did. He had just finished
'Cyborg'. I wonder how much of that got into the three French shows.
Since everything was improvised, I can imagine that Klaus improvised on
his latest works while Ed and Chris did their things. It must have been
wild.
Ciao -- Mark
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 4:58
pm
Subject: reading backwards mailing list moves....fully beta tested
been outta town and am now reading the digests in reverse order.....
a couple ???? and comments:
>If the current mailing list has to move (I believe yahoo isn't a non-profit
organisation),<
why does that matter? even nonprofits buy pencils from for-profit
companies....
what does 'fully beta tested' mean? when is the beta testing abandoned and
the product rolled out regardless? ;)
--T
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From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 5:40
pm
Subject: Re: TD and Vocals
Jonathan said 'I don't know what Joliffe
was smoking on Cyclone!'
Nor do I, but it was obviously harsh on the throat!
LnH
Marion
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 5:45
pm
Subject: several topics
I'm on a business trip, so here's in a nutshell
Froese/Franke/Schmoelling in 87 was a typo
I've told you what I _know_ about the relation of Chris and
Edgar. Everybody may speculate at will, I will not.
Chris himself said that he added the 'er' because especially
americans stumbled a bit pronouncing the two consecutive
'f' sounds in Christoph Franke, which is his real name.
Furthurnet permission: I gave the BTAT link. He who takes
the trouble to read the rules there will know whom we'd
have to ask for what.
TTree downloads: why don't we just feed the stuff into
edonkey or gnutella? Give it a totally obscure filename and
description, post the link here, and everybody can
down/upload from everybody else....
What subject line should I post this under in a forum ;-)
cheers,
klaus
From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 5:48
pm
Subject: Heiko's new band (another one that's drifted off thread)
I'm not doing this on purpose, honest, but how will this work on a BB? Will
starting a new topic start a new thread? And will it refer back somehow to
the originating thread? I'm not being confrontational, I honestly want to
know. Or maybe I should just wait and see.
Anyway...
Heiko said ''Heiko & the back room boys'..sounds like a German Schmaltz
group of the 50s.
Sounds more like an techno band to me - maybe you should start it!
LnH
Marion
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 6:33
pm
Subject: TT2 Downloads
>Klaus Beschorner said:
>
>TTree downloads: why don't we just feed the stuff into
>edonkey or gnutella? Give it a totally obscure filename and
>description, post the link here, and everybody can
>down/upload from everybody else....
eDonkey and Gnutella in and of themselves are not servers. They are only
conduits to people who have bandwidth available to share TT2. Well, the
people who have bandwidth available already are sharing TT2. 9 people so
far. For those who feel the task of setting up an FTP might be daunting,
then yes, one of the freebie P2P programs you mention would then make sense.
-Morgan
From:
'Scott'
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 8:39
pm
Subject: Re: Legal tape trading network
Two site you might want to try out:
www.phishhook.com has a searchable database. You can search by band and by
date. They have a fair amount of TD, but I've not looked for anything else
EM. They're heavy on jam bands.
www.etree.org again is heavy on the jam bands but offers links to shn
downloads.
These two are probably the premier sites on the net, since they have the
most members. I'm on Phishhook, but not etree.
Scott
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 6:19
am
Subject: TT2 FTP
All those who are set up to FTP into one of my systems, ATT seems to have a
router problem somewhere. They (ATT) are working on it. Several IP's routed
to it as a link are not passing thru. It is possible for you to get cut off,
not find it etc. A good example on my end is I can not touch anything to the
University Of Phoenix, email, web, newsgroup etc. That is one confirmed
route that is dead. I can get to MTV.
Just note this, if you are having problems getting in. Some might not have a
problem at all.
A side request, any who still want to ftp from me, send me a note. I want to
clear out address I have locked in during this down time. I want to verify
what I have listed and remove any extra. Also any who I might have missed.
Dale
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 7:27
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TTree2 (extensive review!)
Well, I've had my disks since Friday, listened each through at least once,
and here's my lenghty review:
Volume 9, London 75
Quite a bit like Phaedra or Rubycon. The sequencing builds slowly but
steadily, increasing until it must start the way back down. The intros &
outros are long and atmospheric. The mood is relaxing yet mysterious.
Vibrating sound layers, dark melloron choral passages, wind whooshes,
occasional lighter flute segments, organ, and other slow, smooth Zeit-like
voices (though not as dark) form the core of this concert. The sequences are
mainly bass, though eventually percussion lines join too (as in Rubycon
pt1). Only the first, longer sequenced section of part 1 has anything that
could be called a theme... the rest is just random humming, like when you're
bored. Indeed, this is great to listen to when you can't concentrate on
about anything. You can play it either on the background or simply sink into
it...
Both main sets begin with ~20 minutes of ambience. In the first set the
sequence ends after another 20 minutes to give way for a quarter of an hour
of more (slightly boring) humming. At 54 minutes, things get interesting
again, quickly leading to another, shorter sequence section. The 2nd set has
only about 15 minutes of sequencing, and ends with a nice flute theme (for a
non-Baumann concert). The encore begins with roaring wind and starts a
sequence pretty soon (about 2 minutes in). The final outro is even shorter.
The tree version is wayyy better than my old copy of the concert! Especially
the sequences in parts 2 & 3 has been boosted up big time. Cheers to 3N and
the source tape sources! (and of course everyone else involved too, but
especially them...)
Volume 10, Newcastle 81
This volume sounds basically very mechanic, sometimes even clinically cold.
The beginning of the loooooong version of Logos pt. 1 surprized me - it's
the same drum sequence as in the beginning of Poland! The rest is just
boring. Too slow for a 80s piece.
I don't like Edinburgh Castle very much (save for the intro perhaps), it
sounds too tangentized, but Sobornost is not cool either. It lacks
something, but I don't know what. Perhaps it's just about the mix?
The Digital Times suite doesn't sound unremarkable either. It's dividable to
3 main sections, the first one being rather short. No real details, just
random howls and metallic voices. There are some slightly catchy themes
though; I'll probably learn this better in the future. But there's no real
emotionality here! Big flaw.
Bondy Parade was the highlight of disk 1. It has lots of nice, ie. friendly,
not vile, keyboard and guitar work. I haven't heard the Sohoman version, but
I can imagine what it probably is like, given the TDI excerpts of the Logos
and WE pieces and the fact that the guitarline is removed.
Disk 2 starts with an early version of Mojave Plan; some melodies are
missing from the beginning, which is compensated with extended sequences
with some small toppings. The part with the bright keyboard line (circa 7
minues in the album version) sounds better here though. The 2nd section is
pretty similar to the released version; in the 3rd section the intro flute
is absent, but there's lots of noodling near the end.
Thermal Inversion starts with the end of Calymba Caly, ie. a rather energic
and catchy sequence pile - one of them is actually a keyboard line, a lá
Midnight in Tula & the outro of Coldwater Canyon. The melodies follow along
similar lines, being among the catchiest of TDs 80s output. This section is
a definite favourite of mine! I have an 82 version of this too; it's similar
in terms of content, but the mix is better.
This morphs to a rattling percussion bridge, with a few monotonic howls as
toppings this time. Then comes a downright annoyingly bright sequence.
(Imagine the Cherokee Lane sequence sticked to Phaedra, and you understand
what I mean.) This time there's actually a main melody too, but it has the
same problem as the characterizing melody: it's nervous and ear-splicingly
sharp. Finally, these high-pitched pests drop off; then one drumline starts
rapidly accelerating and eventually morphs into coloured noice where the
whole structure dissolves. Some shrieks try to fight back, but eventually
the track crossfades onwards.
Next comes the intro from Remote Viewing, and then 4 minutes of Force
Majeure (near the end, but not the final section) in a slightly condensed
form. The 2nd main set ends with a track named The Price, which remotely
resembles the ending of Logos. It's not the same though, there's several
different aspects. Hard to describe exactly what, but it feels somewhat
crispier.
For the encores, Kiew Mission is nice but not remarkable; I still prefer the
album version. Choronzon is much longer than the released version; the extra
length generally comes from sequence repetition. There're some non-released
sequences and themes, but not many.
Volume 11, Hamburg 78
I don't have much to comment on this. Part 1 begins and ends with a short
piano section, and the main sequences are like a crossbreed of Madrigal
Meridian and the typical 70s bass sequence sections. Steve Jollife shouts
something here and there, the general toppings are nice but not great, at
least considering the melodic value. There are several (apparently?)
acoustic instruments. In-between and during fadeins/-outs there's several
weird voices. Drumming is typical Cyclone stuff.
I'd play this on background, but it's not as hypnotic as F/F/B era material.
Part 2 is more enjoyable since it's shorter and more energetic.
Volume 12, Croydon 82
OK, lots of already released stuff here...
The beginning is as on Logos, but the ambient section just goes on for a few
more minutes; then we launch into Heritage Survival, a great piece indeed. A
Logos-ish drumline enters first, then a few gentle sequences, and then the
energetic main theme (which sounds slightly similar to the 1st climax of
Tangram?). Verse-chorus-verse pattern is apparent. This is a very jolly
piece, though towards the end there seems to be some technical difficulties;
the mix starts sorts of trembling.
After the fadeout comes a long bridge of dark hum overlaid with wispy voices
and repetitive rattling, entitled 'Mirage'.
The highlight of the next piece, Sign In The Dark, is a galloping bass
sequence. The frosting is some ordinary melodies and other sounds. A short
bridge, and here comes the slow drumming of Night In Romania. Peaceful
keyboard layers weave around. These 2 tracks don't have much progression,
thus it's no wonder they ended up as soundtrack pieces.
Dreamscape is basically a varying sequence line with a few overlaid voices;
no real progression here either. Some sound effects have conquered the last
third of this piece.
The version of Choronzon as played here is the worst of the 4 I have. This
tries to compromize between the original live version and the album version
too much...
Disk 1's last piece is anachronically the first section of Tangent; it ends
quite sudd
Disk 2 starts with the first section of Mojave Plan. The skyish section has
been replaced with something different this time, too.
After the fadeout comes something that sounds like Horizon at first (for
perhaps 30 seconds or so) and then goes on with the rest of Logos. Two
things stand out:
1) there's an annoyingly cheesy harpsichord line during the first sequenced
part
2) the second-to-last section's keyboard lines are completely different,
much better than what's released.
The rest (including the encores) is about exactly what has been released.
And I like the album versions better...
Volume 13, Mannheim & Saarbrücken 76
This volume was a slight disappointment, since Mannheim has too many
watered-down themes from TT1 and TT8... but there are positive sides too.
Most on Saarbrücken.
Mannheim part 1 is slow with plenty of mellotron, several TT8 themes abound.
The sequence is interesting at first and at the end, but in the between it's
the same olé over and over again. The end portion is slightly more original,
but not among my favourites so far.
Mh. part 2 has themes from mainly TT1:2, in different, slightly meeker
forms. The last 8 or so minutes (after the guitarsolo ends) are finally
great, however! Rapid sequencing, odd voices dashing about, one of the best
Betrayal live appearences, a great final...
Mh. part 3 features at the beginning the same keyboard solo as in TT1:3, but
its slower and more sober here. The piece starts in an overall trudging
mood, gaining slowly more energy but still being somewhat pessimistic.
Afterwards there's more themes from TT1:2 (the Cherokee Lane one) and some
new ones. Not many, though; it's mainly sequencing, the keyboards stay
pretty much where they are. Part 4 starts off where Part 3 left off (are
they originally the same piece?), replaying TT8 themes eventually on top of
a very basic sequence. There's an original guitar solo here too, but it
doesn't quite reach into success. A little piano solo ends this concert.
Saarbrücken does not recycle themes, but doesn't create many new ones
either. It has other merits though...
In part 1, initial creepy buzzing fades quickly into fluttering flute and
other less dark but eventually still somewhat sinister, clearly improvised
melodies. This morphs to a panic-ish choral with more buzzing, and back to
flute again. More evil noises emerge for a while, after which the piece
relaxes back again. A fourth such pair of more and less dark sections is in
too. Finally, after about 2/3 of the piece is behind, a rattling sequence
comes forward, soon bringing a bass buddy too. The mood stays oppressive to
the very end, which consticts of some twinkling bright sound effects.
Part 2 starts a sequence very quickly. The voices are crude, rockish. This
resembles Coldwater Canyon pretty much! No guitar for the first 7 minutes,
but after that Edgar starts a solo that indeed has some Coldwater Canyon
elements. Ferocious wind effects keep the intensity high. The sequence here
never undergoes 'flattenization' as in CC; it instead gets rather percussive
in an 80s style when nearing the midpoint. Large howls rove the soundscape,
and the drumming drops gradually off. Voices from the darkest jungle merge
seamlessly into industrial metallic clangs, providing a very surreal
feeling... Sound effects crossfire on an organ/choir base keeps going,
displaying about every one of the common ones played during the 70s live
concerts; as a speciality, some resemble even the outro of Quichotte Part 1!
A hoarsly throbbing pulse starts, but fades away after only a few minutes.
The peaceful chords from the outros of Mannheim part 1 and Nottingham part 2
try to settle the things down, but no, there's still 3 minutes left to
listen to! Windbursts, gluey ripple, more metallic noice... and finally only
a very quiet slow drumbeat, as in Atem or Fauni-Gena.
'it's over.' [in the same voice tone as in horror movies]
Volume 14, Paris 81
This is one of the best concerts of this batch...
Undulation begins with lots of different voices, from metallic to watery.
Two minutes of this intro, then comes a rapidly tictactoctictactocking
semi-drumline. The incessant crossarpeggiating feels sort of strainedly
alert...After it's over we descend keyboard stairs into the next piece.
The Electro Part of Calymba Caly is a very ingenious track! The Speed
sequence is the basis; lone chords pop up like toast, percussion bursts in
life occasionally and some sort of sax-like melody circles above like a hawk
watching over all this. Midway through, a mid-frequency version of the
bassline joins, while more and more attention goes towards the
ever-growingly perplexing high-pitched melody. A definite shiverer!
The Ancient Part emerges rather suddendly. The sounds of the previous one
just turn into the ones here. The bass slows down and starts weaving complex
patterns, the keyboards just wave back and forth lazily. Sadly, the
brilliant wistful bell theme that's apparent in the Antique Dreams version
is not to be found here; instead the bright, flute-like melody line has much
more variety and lenght. Suddendly, some frictionish chords end this
section, leading into Thermal Inversion. There's one main difference from
the Newcastle version, and that's that the first section is much tamer. The
released version is this same one.
After the buzzing fades out, there's an e-piano solo - played in a quirky
tone of steely echoes at first, but after the introductory clangs it sounds
rather normal. It takes time to get into full power, but when it does, it's
great stuff: completely new material that's easily of the same quality as in
Quichotte Part 1!
Force Majeure / The Price is the same as at Newcastle.
Set 2 begins with a few minuted of friendly vibrations, and eventually
starts the Silver Scale intro: a high-pitched sparkling version of the Thief
sequence, some ambience base and occasional bass patterns. They say that
this is a version of 'Church Theme' from Wavelength, but I haven't heard
that... The lead is like very high pitched pipe organ. Around 7 minutes the
first main section begins: a definite bassline replaces the background
ambience, and a nervously twitching keyboard pseudo-sequence plays the main
role. The high organ still goes on, sounding like a flute or sax
occasionally. Percussion enters at 10 minutes; around 11.30 there's several
crashing voices which accompanies the sequence switching over to the normal
Thief sequence. Melody lines change too, it's a bit more aggressive now.
There's a few minutes of unrelesed noodling before the instrument patterns
change, thus denoting the beginning of Horns of Doom. The lead is very
high-pitched again. This shrieking frenzy finally settles with a similar
effect as in Thermal Inversion; one drumline gains enough velocity to be
considered whiteish noise.
I must say that I liked the Tangents verson of Silver Scale better: it had
that nice choral intro and was less obsessive at the end.
Phase Change is quite similar with the Quichotte Part 2 intro. Distinguished
by hissing and beeping voices.
Diamond Duster is kinda like an evil twin brother of Beach Theme. They say
that this is an unreleased Thief track, and the rhytm is sort of beachish
(not as lax though). Slow, malicious squeaky lead line alternates with
pessimistic flute. Not much action.
Then, the Thief sequence suddendly restarts. Some mild keyboards for a few
minutes, after that it's basically a backdrop for a guitar solo. The solo
has elements from Scrap Yard, Coldwater Canyon and even TT1:2... but no
Quichotte Part 2 as far as I can tell?
The version of Choronzon featured here is probably the best of the 4 ones
I've heard (3 here and the official one). Mostly because the other 2
performances are too much compromizing between this (original) and the
released version (which gets the silver).
People are clapping throughout the piece, and even sometimes
dadaa-dadaa-dadaa-dadaadaa -'ing. Some sequence repetition condensation
could have been used, however, since this is about 3 times longer than the
Exit version. But don't miss the intense keyboard sections @ circa 4.30,
8.00, 9.00 and 10.30!
The final track is Trap Feeling / Scrap Yard. Well, what can I say? They're
the album versions, not exactly in mint condition (they've been shortened)
but not modified much either. The bridging is OK, no guitar in the latter.
Volumes 15 & 16, Warsaw 2001
This volume has at least a minute of ambience between each track. Not bad if
they're some 8-12 minutes, but with ~3 minute tracks, that's unnecessary...
The bridges can be rather interesting sometimes, but usually it's just some
synth hum.
All the remixes are slightly laid-back in general; sometimes even tired
(note: not tiresome!). Strangely, even sequences whih seem to have energy at
first start sounding relaxing if they just repeat, simultaneously with other
voices supporting that impression.
The journey begins somewhere between the Chainsaw Echoes reality and the
Evil Breezes reality; after returning to Warsaw, Spirit of the Czar begins
with slowly building percussion. The introductory clangs of Poland repeat
throughout the track. The other sequences follow the 83 version somewhat
faithfully.
When we get into the Sun, there's a nice extra keyboard solo layer. The
version playing underneath is the 7' single version.
Comet's Figure Head has an extra guitarline, othervise it's what's released.
Force Majeure is the same bit as during the 81 tours. This track also has a
short piano solo at the end.
The next 3 tracks follow the typical remix style of this concert. Some
additions on Going West, slight slackiness on Lamb with etc, and a shadowy
apparation mood on Comfort Zone.
Longing For Cashba has an energetic guitarsolo and romping rhytms. I haven't
heard the original version so I can't comment much, though...
Ending Disk 1 is an odd percussion/whistle solo.
Disk 2 sounds slightly monotonic. Strong melodies are mysteriously absent?
There are themes of course, but they're not good for much besides humming.
Funny voices are used plentifully and the rhytms are pleasing. This disk is
pretty leptosomic, especially the double-noodled version of Towards the
Evening Star. The exception is a raging guitar section during Astrophobia...
Sony Center has some quirky beats and melodies. They're not extraordinary,
but among the best of this disk nevertheless.
Disk 3 (vol.16) has only 3 encores and some interview. No big surprizes
during Stereolight (if you knew already that it's based on some bits of
Desert Dream and Monolight). Extensive acceleration towards the end, after
it has boiled over it's time for yet another cameo, this time of Diamond
Diary.. This piece differs from the mainstream of this concert; it actually
is energetic. Guitar riffs are plentiful, especially near the end.
The Bridge Song, to keep it simple, _sucks_.
Mobocaster is not bad, but too undistinguishable from the rest of this
concert.
I haven't yet bothered to listen through the interview...
Interestingly, this concert resembles Vol.9 by the structure pretty much.
It's not similar, but it still is. You have to listen to it yourself to be
able to understand...
Both are just lots of humming and rhytms, with little (if anything) that
really stands off. Even These 2 concerts requre different moods and opinions
if you want to really like them (I'm with #9) but it's apparent that it's
the same band, despite the 27 years in the between.
---
OK, I suppose I'm done now...
Extreme thanks to:
Heiko & the back room boys (catch phrase of the week ;) for organizing this
Edgar, Chris, Peter, Johannes and all the other musicians for the very music
itself
Gustavo, Marko and Maff for the cover art
and everyone else involved of course!
It's great to be a member of this community. :)
John Vertical
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From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 7:53
am
Subject: LnH
Hi John
LnH stands for 'Love 'n' Hugs', or 'Love and Hugs' if you want it in full.
It's just my personal sign-off, although I don't mind if other people use
it too. You can never have too much love and hugs!
LnH
Marion
From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 9:29
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TTree2 (extensive review!)
> Well, I've had my disks since Friday, listened each through at least once,
> and here's my lenghty review:
Thanks John for your extensive review of TT#2 (although after finished reading
it I'm still not sure whether you liked it or not ;-) I agree with what you're
saying about Newcastle 1981 (Volume 10) being mechanic and clinically cold. But
if one is in the right mood for it it's always fascinating to hear it
(especially the first 30+ minutes of the 1st set have a special 'cold war'
atmosphere..hard to describe) I don't agree with what you said about Mannheim
1976 (Volume 13) having 'too many watered-down themes of TT1 and TT8', I think
it's a great concert (but you have to listen to it a couple of times before
coming to this conclusion since the music of Mannheim seems to be much more
improvised than -for example- Nottingham or Berlin 1976) But then again, each of
us has his/her own individual taste about the music of Tangerine Dream :-)
Heiko
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From:
'omegatransfinito'
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 12:11
pm
Subject: Re: TTree2 (extensive review!)
> Thanks John for your extensive review of TT#2 (although after
finished reading
> it I'm still not sure whether you liked it or not ;-)>
Well duh! Of course I liked it! It takes enthusiasm to even bother
to write something that long.
If it wasn't clear enough already, the definitive highlights are:
-vol.9
-Bondy Parade
-Calymba Caly electro part
-Saarbücken 76
-Heritage Survival
-Parisienne
-first section of Thermal Inversion on vol.10
-Choronzon on vol.14
But then again, each of
> us has his/her own individual taste about the music of
Tangerine Dream :-)
>
> Heiko
Yep. Those were after all only my opinions, but I hope it was
descriptive enough so you could get a good impression of
what's this like.
John Vertical
From:
'Michael Jean'
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 12:43
pm
Subject: Near-Dark DVD pre-order
http://www.hmv.com/?ct=pd&sku=285637&source=1205
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 12:53
pm
Subject: Weird Dream
Last night I had a dream that Cher was singing 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'...
- jim
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From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 12:58
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream
At 08:53 14.08.02 , you wrote:
>Last night I had a dream that Cher was singing 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'...
>
>- jim
>
Jim... you are sick! That is one of the worst nightmares imaginable... did
you awake sweating? LOL ;-)
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
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From:
thomas.soucheleau@n...
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 1:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream
Many years ago, I had a pretty similar weird dream that kim wilde was singing
over cinamon road...
Better not think of it.
thomas.
>
>At 08:53 14.08.02 , you wrote:
>>Last night I had a dream that Cher was singing 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'..
>>
>>- jim
>>
>
>
>Jim... you are sick! That is one of the worst nightmares imaginable... did
>you awake sweating? LOL ;-)
>
>
>Best regards,
>
>Martin Kasprzak
>TDI- Music- Support.
>Tel:-49-30-23620995
>Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
>Visit our Website at:
>
>www.tdimusic.com
>
>Have a nice day!
>
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 2:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream
what's happening with you, guys? I'm afraid to dream this night
that Tom Jones will join the band...
(maybe not so bad for you americans - TD in Las Vegas!)
armin
thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote:
> Many years ago, I had a pretty similar weird dream that kim wilde was singing
over cinamon road...
> Better not think of it.
>
>
> thomas.
>
>
>>At 08:53 14.08.02 , you wrote:
>>
>>>Last night I had a dream that Cher was singing 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'..
>>>
>>>- jim
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Jim... you are sick! That is one of the worst nightmares imaginable... did
>>you awake sweating? LOL ;-)
>>
>>
>>Best regards,
>>
>>Martin Kasprzak
>>TDI- Music- Support.
>>Tel:-49-30-23620995
>>Fax:-49-30-23620996
>>
>>Visit our Website at:
>>
>>www.tdimusic.com
>>
>>Have a nice day!
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>>
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From:
'sean_w_montgomery'
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 3:55
pm
Subject: New TD Website is online
They finally took the wraps off today...the new TD website is up. It's
an improvement, to be sure...although they should really tone down the
faux gold. It adds some cute new features - like an instant poll, and
Edgar and Jerome's favourite websites...Edgar, predictably, is
checking out Picasso lithographs, while Jerome enjoys Stick Death
theatre. They have indeed restored a guestbook, and provided a new
threaded forum.
Also, you can now order individual albums straight from TDI...that
includes Jerome's Ground Liftaz singles, and Inferno, which has a
slightly reworked cover with a typically atrocious TDI font selection.
But they still haven't addressed a longstanding complaint of mine:
there's very little info about the albums. No composition credits, no
track times, no info about track origins, or whether material has been
remixed, previously released under a different name, or overdubbed.
Also, some release are 'No Longer Available', including Soundmill
Navigator, Sohoman, Canyon Dreams...and most disturbingly, Antique
Dreams, an album I consider to be the best thing they put out since
the original Dream Mixes release. I presume there are legal issues at
play here? Maybe they'll show up in the next $250 'Booster Package' ;-)
What I like best about the site now is that it opens the door to
improved two-way communication between the label and its customers.
Hopefully, that door won't be shut by people posting crap in the
guestbook...time will tell.
-Sean
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 4:02
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream
Have you considered requesting a doctor's appointment?
;-)
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Jim Moore'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 5:53 AM
Subject: [tadream] Weird Dream
> Last night I had a dream that Cher was singing 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'...
>
> - jim
>
>
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>
>
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 4:03
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream
Kim is a better vision than Cher.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream
Many years ago, I had a pretty similar weird dream that kim wilde was
singing over cinamon road...
Better not think of it.
thomas.
>
>At 08:53 14.08.02 , you wrote:
>>Last night I had a dream that Cher was singing 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'..
>>
>>- jim
>>
>
>
>Jim... you are sick! That is one of the worst nightmares imaginable... did
>you awake sweating? LOL ;-)
>
>
>Best regards,
>
>Martin Kasprzak
>TDI- Music- Support.
>Tel:-49-30-23620995
>Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
>Visit our Website at:
>
>www.tdimusic.com
>
>Have a nice day!
>
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 4:04
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream
TJ and Edgar?
Neil Diamond, and the rest following this too? Robert Goutlet' as well...
End of the world isn't it?
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Armin Theissen'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream
> what's happening with you, guys? I'm afraid to dream this night
> that Tom Jones will join the band...
>
> (maybe not so bad for you americans - TD in Las Vegas!)
>
> armin
>
> thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote:
>
> > Many years ago, I had a pretty similar weird dream that kim wilde was
singing over cinamon road...
> > Better not think of it.
> >
> >
> > thomas.
> >
> >
> >>At 08:53 14.08.02 , you wrote:
> >>
> >>>Last night I had a dream that Cher was singing 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'..
> >>>
> >>>- jim
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Jim... you are sick! That is one of the worst nightmares imaginable...
did
> >>you awake sweating? LOL ;-)
> >>
> >>
> >>Best regards,
> >>
> >>Martin Kasprzak
> >>TDI- Music- Support.
> >>Tel:-49-30-23620995
> >>Fax:-49-30-23620996
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 4:16
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #281
[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
Show #281 August 8, 2002.
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Hemisphere, a band from
Germany known for dark electronic ambient excursions. The Featured CD at
midnight was 'Liquid Mirror' on the Groove label.
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Romance 76' by Peter Baumann on the Virgin
label.
Hemisphere http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#aug
PLAYLIST:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Peter Baumann Phase by Phase Romance 76 (Virgin)
Klangwelt Connect Weltweit (Spheric)
Navigator Mellowtrain advance CDR of Northern
Consequence (Invisible Shadows)
Navigator Ocean CDR from Jens Peschke (none)
VA [Robert Rich] Mosaic The Gatherings (Synkronos)
DreamLand Sunspots Underwater (Dog Fingers)
12:00 am
Hemisphere In the Deep Liquid Mirror (Groove)
Hemisphere Northern Horizon Liquid Mirror (Groove)
Hemisphere Below Sea Level Liquid Mirror (Groove)
Hemisphere We're Afloat Liquid Mirror (Groove)
Hemisphere Touch the Waves Liquid Mirror (Groove)
Hemisphere Liquid Mirror Part I Liquid Mirror (Groove)
Hemisphere Liquid Mirror Part II Liquid Mirror (Groove)
1:00 am
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Hemisphere. The
Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Inversion' on the Groove label.
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Shadows of Light' by the
Nightcrawlers on the Synkronos label.
Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic
Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am.
Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30.
http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow
Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiy.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!]
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us
From:
TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 4:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online
Hi Folks,
as Sean has rightly remarked, the new TD-website went online today at
www.tangerinedream.org
We sincerely hope that you will find it a big improvement to the old sites.
Please note that the webshop is now via a secure server protocol and that
it features an interactive shopping cart which will automatically calculate
item costs and shipping expenses.
We have restored the guestbook feature and added an interactive forum to
address the demand for discussion among the fans. We also hope that this
forum will help improving the interaction between band, TDI office and
fans. So, please get registered for the forum and do not hesitate to use it.
Feedback on the site is also very well appreciated within the forum. Please
be aware that netiquette does apply within, though and we will not allow
slandering of band or other fans nor will we allow abusive language.
Hope you will enjoy it.
Best regards,
Martin Kasprzak
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
http://www.tangerinedream.org
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 5:30
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online
noted the Joshua Tree... too bad I see thousands of these daily but still...
I noted it on the viewer...
excellent update...
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online
> Hi Folks,
>
> as Sean has rightly remarked, the new TD-website went online today at
>
> www.tangerinedream.org
>
> We sincerely hope that you will find it a big improvement to the old
sites.
>
> Please note that the webshop is now via a secure server protocol and that
> it features an interactive shopping cart which will automatically
calculate
> item costs and shipping expenses.
>
> We have restored the guestbook feature and added an interactive forum to
> address the demand for discussion among the fans. We also hope that this
> forum will help improving the interaction between band, TDI office and
> fans. So, please get registered for the forum and do not hesitate to use
it.
>
> Feedback on the site is also very well appreciated within the forum.
Please
> be aware that netiquette does apply within, though and we will not allow
> slandering of band or other fans nor will we allow abusive language.
>
> Hope you will enjoy it.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin Kasprzak
> TDI- Music- Support.
> Tel:-49-30-23620995
> Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
> Visit our Website at:
>
> http://www.tangerinedream.org
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Michael Jean'
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 5:57
pm
Subject: New Site
It looks nice, though I need to spend time learning the navigation.
I noticed there are some short videos you can view by clicking on the circular
object in the upper right corner.
I tried registering at the site twice, and received confirmations via email,
but have not been able to log in successfully. I wonder what if anything am I
missing?
Regards,
Michael A. Jean
The Brookings Institution
1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20036-2188
TEL: (202)-797-6214
FAX: (202)-797-2479
EMAIL: mjean@b...
http://www.brookings.edu
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 6:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New Site
same here
did it twice too..
I sent them a note, perhaps the forum isn't activated yet.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Michael Jean'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:57 AM
Subject: [tadream] New Site
> It looks nice, though I need to spend time learning the navigation.
>
> I noticed there are some short videos you can view by clicking on the
circular object in the upper right corner.
>
> I tried registering at the site twice, and received confirmations via
email, but have not been able to log in successfully. I wonder what if
anything am I missing?
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Michael A. Jean
> The Brookings Institution
> 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W.
> Washington, DC 20036-2188
>
> TEL: (202)-797-6214
> FAX: (202)-797-2479
> EMAIL: mjean@b...
> http://www.brookings.edu
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'hyperboreauk'
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 6:07
pm
Subject: Re: New Site
--- In tadream@y..., 'Michael Jean' wrote:
> It
>
.
>
> I tried registering at the site twice, and received confirmations
via email, but have not been able to log in successfully. I wonder
what if anything am I missing?
>
Hi Micheal I have tried the same as you with no success at the moment
must be a fault already.
Cheers Gary
>
>
>
>
> Washington, DC 20036-2188
>
> TEL: (202)-797-6214
> FAX: (202)-797-2479
> EMAIL: mjean@b...
> http://www.brookings.edu
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'Steve'
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 5:52
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] New TD Website is online
Well, I headed to the forums and saw that there were no posts yet, so I
registered in the hope of being able to be the first to post and whatever I
do I get told 'incorrect login'...
Steve
www.craftman.co.uk
www.rottievision.com
www.rotties-r-us.co.uk - Paws Around the World
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From:
'heineu'
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 6:45
pm
Subject: Re: New TD Website is online
Hello steve, I have the same problem. I dont know why???
But, it is a wonderfull HP, many interesting stuff. Good work.
Regards
heiko - Mr. Optical
http://www.opticaldream.de
--- In tadream@y..., 'Steve' wrote:
> Well, I headed to the forums and saw that there were no posts yet,
so I
> registered in the hope of being able to be the first to post and
whatever I
> do I get told 'incorrect login'...
>
> Steve
>
> www.craftman.co.uk
> www.rottievision.com
> www.rotties-r-us.co.uk - Paws Around the World
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 7:14
pm
Subject: Re: Neil Diamond
Yes!!! I actually thought Neil Diamond would be a better fit.
He could probably even just pull a 'Loved By the Sun' and just come in and spin
his magic over a few tracks.
So, are you guys saying that Neil will be featured on the next installment of
the Divine Comedy? I thought Inferno was already done.
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 7:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online
it's working!
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Steve'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:52 AM
Subject: RE: [tadream] New TD Website is online
> Well, I headed to the forums and saw that there were no posts yet, so I
> registered in the hope of being able to be the first to post and whatever
I
> do I get told 'incorrect login'...
>
> Steve
>
> www.craftman.co.uk
> www.rottievision.com
> www.rotties-r-us.co.uk - Paws Around the World
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 7:22
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Neil Diamond
go to the new site
register
me thinks the sun might have touch ya...
dale
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:14 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Neil Diamond
> Yes!!! I actually thought Neil Diamond would be a better fit.
>
> He could probably even just pull a 'Loved By the Sun' and just come in and
spin his magic over a few tracks.
>
> So, are you guys saying that Neil will be featured on the next installment
of the Divine Comedy? I thought Inferno was already done.
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 7:42
pm
Subject: Forum
Looks like I get my forum after all (eyeroll)
http://www.tangerinedream.org/
-Morgan
From:
Philip Meyer
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 7:48
pm
Subject: TT replacements
In the readme for TT1 - Volume 1, it is mentioned that the recording replaces
Me-Rad. I compared the two, and Volume 1 is much better.
I was wondering if there are any other bootlegs that TT1 or TT2 recordings now
replace? I could look through all my other concert recordings and work out if I
have any duplicates, but I just wondered if anyone else has done side-by-side
comparisons already.
Phil
------------------------------
Phil Meyer
ICQ:10029030
http://www.hergest.demon.co.uk
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 7:46
pm
Subject: Forum
Now if I could just get logged in. Went thru the confirmation code thing,
etc. and the passwords it is giving out aren't working.
Surprised the list of rules is entirely cookie-cutter.
I would have assumed that they would have set specific policies about which
topics cannot be discussed. I can think of dozens. :)
-Morgan
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 7:59
pm
Subject: Tangerine Tree replacing other boots
>From: Philip Meyer
>Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 2:48 pm
>Subject: TT replacements
>In the readme for TT1 - Volume 1, it is mentioned that the recording replaces
>Me-Rad. I compared the two, and Volume 1 is much better.
>
>I was wondering if there are any other bootlegs that TT1 or TT2 recordings now
>replace? I could look through all my other concert recordings and work out
>if I
>have any duplicates, but I just wondered if anyone else has done side-by-side
>comparisons already.
Although it is still quite under construction (I'm begging for
suggestions/corrections/updates!), you can see which bootlegs and fantapes
have been replaced by Tangerine Trees or other recordings at my website here:
http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/
Also some of the Tangerine Trees indicate which recordings they replace on
the artwork.
Tangerine Tree 9 - Royal Albert Hall UK April 2, 1975 replaces:
Coefficient of Aural Expansion
Phaedream
Ruby in the Sky
Absolutely Hypnotized
Royal Dreams
Tangerine Tree 11 - Newcastle Oct 25, 1981 replaces:
Dreamtime
Spaces and Spheres
Space Trucking
Speaking of Space Trucking, Preston 1980 might get the magic treatment soon.
A future Tangerine Tree (remastered from the wonderful 'Lifted Curtain'
recording) will replace:
White Cloths
Bergamo
Beyond the Wall
Don Quixotte
Staatsgrenze West
-Morgan
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 8:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum
AHHH
you be a thinking again do ya....
Did you get the LFO with the ramp?
rrrr r r rr me good eye was a watering at the updated site.... teary eye
at that.... forum... yea me got in... thanks to the great TD webmaster....
ô0
??
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:46 PM
Subject: [tadream] Forum
> Now if I could just get logged in. Went thru the confirmation code thing,
> etc. and the passwords it is giving out aren't working.
>
> Surprised the list of rules is entirely cookie-cutter.
>
> I would have assumed that they would have set specific policies about
which
> topics cannot be discussed. I can think of dozens. :)
>
> -Morgan
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 8:14
pm
Subject: TD Web site update
I did not know Martin was into Guitars. There is a dealer right down the
road from me that sales those guitars. (Lancaster CA) (He also does a bit of
part time teaching music at the local Junior College too, not to mention
plays Jazz) I took the ebow route. The kit is a great retro fit if you have
a guitar you wish to custom that way.
dale
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 8:19
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum
Morgan Feldon wrote:
>
> I would have assumed that they would have set specific policies about which
> topics cannot be discussed.
Why do you think you cannot get logged in? ;-)
Antonio
np: TD - Paris Bataclan 1981-02-02
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 8:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum
hehehe
I wished I thought of that... good one!!!!!!!
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Antonio Nunes'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum
>
> Morgan Feldon wrote:
> >
> > I would have assumed that they would have set specific policies about
which
> > topics cannot be discussed.
>
>
> Why do you think you cannot get logged in? ;-)
>
> Antonio
>
> np: TD - Paris Bataclan 1981-02-02
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 8:49
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] New TD Website is online
Thanks TDi for a great-looking website. And most importantly, that awesome
jukebox feature! Now playing Rubycon pt1 - the perfect mood for reading up
on my favorite band!
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak [mailto:manager@t...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:52 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> as Sean has rightly remarked, the new TD-website went online today at
>
> www.tangerinedream.org
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 9:56
pm
Subject: Legal tape trading network
> Two site you might want to try out:
Excuse me, Scott, but did you take the trouble to read
the first word in the subject ?
klaus
From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 10:00
pm
Subject: TT2 Downloads
> eDonkey and Gnutella in and of themselves are not servers. They are only
> conduits to people who have bandwidth available to share TT2. Well, the
> people who have bandwidth available already are sharing TT2. 9 people so
> far. For those who feel the task of setting up an FTP might be daunting,
> then yes, one of the freebie P2P programs you mention would then make sense.
Of course, I know that. The nice thing about these networks is that
everybody who downloads is also offering file chunks for upload, at
least for the time the download is not completed.
cheers,
klaus
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 11:13
pm
Subject: conspicuous by its absence
conspicuous by its absence
while searching the new tangerinedream.org site I couldn't find either of
the keep CD releases nor the sony topping out ceremony score listed.
--T
ps I thought dot org was for noncommercial sites.....
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 11:43
pm
Subject: top 5 jerome
ah yes--the pinball pasture--reminds me I want to restore an old pinball
machine that's been collecting cobwebs on my patio--now finding parts should
be easier--thanks Jerome!
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:02
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream
It could be worse...
It could be Mike Oldfield singing Smile...
>TJ and Edgar?
>Neil Diamond, and the rest following this too? Robert Goutlet' as well...
>End of the world isn't it?
>dale
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:13
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree replacing other boots
>Philip Meyer said:
>>I was wondering if there are any other bootlegs that TT1 or TT2 recordings
now replace? I could look through all my other concert recordings and work out
if I have any duplicates, but I just wondered if anyone else has done
side-by-side comparisons already.
Then Morgan replied:
>Tangerine Tree 9 - Royal Albert Hall UK April 2, 1975 replaces:
>(...)Absolutely Hypnotized
>Royal Dreams
I didn't know about these too; if they had been mentioned before [while we were
working on the covers] I'd have put them in the back cover (it mentions only
Coefficient, Ruby and Phaedream). I don't remember if TT11 mentions those
bootlegs.
>A future Tangerine Tree (remastered from the wonderful 'Lifted Curtain'
>recording) will replace: White Cloths...
What can I say? woohoo.
btw: 'Meyer' is the name of the suburb where I live. Well nowadays it's written
'Méier', but it's the same pronunciation; it comes from the Meyer family's farm
(big one) in the XIX century, which developed into the suburb. Méier is
officially now a bit more than 120 years old I think. TD has never been in
Méier.
Gustavo Jobim
gustavojobim@n...
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:23
am
Subject: RE: [TT2] DOWNloaders feedback, please
Thanks Arno, and I hope you don't mind me cc:ing the list as a reminder for
SHN branches to CHECK YOUR SHNs! Run the md5 file in each folder to make
sure your disks are good before you send them out.
The easy way is to do a file search for *.md5 on the CDR, then run them in
order.
Thanks,
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Arno Kolster
To: Joe Shoults
Sent: 8/14/02 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [TT2] DOWNloaders feedback, please
Joe,
Arno Kolster here. I managed to download the
remainder of the disks last night, but haven't had
time yet to check the md5s. I will update status
tonight after I confirm the downloads.
Thanks for all your work on this.
Arno
--- Joe Shoults wrote:
> Thanks to our download HOSTs, the downloading effort
> for TT2 is going much
> more smoothly than for TT1, from what we can tell so
> far.
>
> We need more feedback from you: Is your downloading
> process working for
> you?
>
> If you are a branch, you should have your files by
> now and already be
> burning for your leaves. If you are a branch and
> you do NOT have your disks
> yet, we may need to make adjustments to get them to
> you, unless you are
> alomost finished downloading your files. This
> includes the following
> people, who are all currently listed as 'UNRECEIVED'
> in the database:
>
> Harry Besler
> Daniel Fishman
> Arno Kolster
> Antonio Nunes
> Simon Pride
> Arne Richter
> Brian Williams
> scott charles
>
> If you have your disks, please update your status.
> If you need to be
> switched, let us know asap.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
>
>
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 5:52
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online
> We also hope that this forum will help improving the interaction between band,
> TDI office and
> fans. So, please get registered for the forum and do not hesitate to use it.
Is it just me or do other people also have problems with getting registered for
the forum? I entered my nickname and password twice but all it said was
'incorrect login'. I even used an alternative nickname & email address but the
result was the same. Help meeeee........
> Feedback on the site is also very well appreciated within the forum. Please
> be aware that netiquette does apply within, though and we will not allow
> slandering of band or other fans nor will we allow abusive language.
I thought you knew that we all love & adore you ;-)
Heiko
From:
Jens Kilian
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 7:08
am
Subject: Re: New TD Website is online
> From: 'sean_w_montgomery'
>
> They finally took the wraps off today...the new TD website is up.
... and it brings my browser down. Probably some Flash or other crap.
Guess I won't buy anything from them.
--
mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698)
http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351
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0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake]
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From:
'Peter Ravn'
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 7:21
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online
Me too! I also get 'Incorrect login!' on my nickname and password.....
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online
>
>
> > We also hope that this forum will help improving the interaction between
band,
> > TDI office and
> > fans. So, please get registered for the forum and do not hesitate to use
it.
>
> Is it just me or do other people also have problems with getting
registered for
> the forum? I entered my nickname and password twice but all it said was
> 'incorrect login'. I even used an alternative nickname & email address but
the
> result was the same. Help meeeee........
>
> > Feedback on the site is also very well appreciated within the forum.
Please
> > be aware that netiquette does apply within, though and we will not allow
> > slandering of band or other fans nor will we allow abusive language.
>
> I thought you knew that we all love & adore you ;-)
>
> Heiko
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
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From:
edgar-rainer.berberich@g...
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 7:30
am
Subject: Antwort: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online
You're not alone. Anonther user same problem.
Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards
Edgar Rainer Berberich
'Peter Ravn' on 15.08.2002 09:21:19
Bitte antworten an tadream@yahoogroups.com
An:
Kopie:
Thema: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online
Me too! I also get 'Incorrect login!' on my nickname and password.....
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online
>
>
> > We also hope that this forum will help improving the interaction
between
band,
> > TDI office and
> > fans. So, please get registered for the forum and do not hesitate to
use
it.
>
> Is it just me or do other people also have problems with getting
registered for
> the forum? I entered my nickname and password twice but all it said was
> 'incorrect login'. I even used an alternative nickname & email address
but
the
> result was the same. Help meeeee........
>
> > Feedback on the site is also very well appreciated within the forum.
Please
> > be aware that netiquette does apply within, though and we will not
allow
> > slandering of band or other fans nor will we allow abusive language.
>
> I thought you knew that we all love & adore you ;-)
>
> Heiko
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From:
René Brenner
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 8:03
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New TD Website is online
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 09:08:55 +0200, Jens Kilian wrote:
> > From: 'sean_w_montgomery'
> >
> > They finally took the wraps off today...the new TD website is up.
>
> ... and it brings my browser down. Probably some Flash or other crap.
> Guess I won't buy anything from them.
works fine with mozilla 1.0/linux here...
From:
'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 8:58
am
Subject: Logos remix
http://www.oxygene65.freeserve.co.uk/music.htm
There's a eurotrance remix of Logos on that page, made by James Munro in
London
Glenn
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Marion Horrod
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 10:42
am
Subject: Re: New site
Nice to see all those photos - and they load pretty quickly too. Praise be
for web designers who think about speed as well as flashy effects!
I notice that a few people (Linda springs to mind) seem to have been
'forgotten' in the line-ups list - although they do appear in the piccies.
Looking forward to spending some time browsing around: surprised not to see
Al writing 'by hook or by crook I'll be first in this (guest)book', but
nice to see the other usual suspects in there.
LnH
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From:
Totta
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 11:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New site
Hi all
Can you please tell me the Url to this site, i have lost it.
Thaks in advance
Totta
Marion Horrod wrote:
>Nice to see all those photos - and they load pretty quickly too. Praise be
>for web designers who think about speed as well as flashy effects!
>
>I notice that a few people (Linda springs to mind) seem to have been
>'forgotten' in the line-ups list - although they do appear in the piccies.
>
>Looking forward to spending some time browsing around: surprised not to see
>Al writing 'by hook or by crook I'll be first in this (guest)book', but
>nice to see the other usual suspects in there.
>
>LnH
>
>Marion
>
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 11:22
am
Subject: Buy or die
One thing I noticed about the new TD homepage is that the prices in
their online shop are much more 'customer friendly' than before. As far
as I can remember (please correct me if I'm wrong..wouldn't be the first
time ~lol~) a T-shirt used to cost $30 (now $19), the Scuba watch $75
(now $25)..the 'I-box' is on sale for just $35, and all the TDI releases
cost $12 each (except for Dream Mixes 2 & Tang-go which is $15, but
these are double CDs) I'm impressed!
Heiko
From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 12:21
pm
Subject: Emil Hachfeld
This is a small tribute to the late Emil Hachfeld, percussionist with TD
between 1997 and 2002.
Having noticed the sign of the cross next to his name on the updated
TD homepage, here is the only information I could find, from a German
live music info page at http://www.konzi-tip.de/news.shtml:
> Auch wenn es immer wieder tiefe Einschnitte gibt, wie den traurigen Todesfall
des
> Trommlers Emil Hachfeld (u. a. TANGERINE DREAM), der das letzte
HORSHAMMER-Konzert
> bestritt, vervolgen sie weiterhin beharlich ihr Ziel. So wurde das Label
THORSHAMMER
> gegründet, (auf dem inzwischen auch internationale Bands vertreten sind), um
die
> Produktionen unabhängig von äußeren Einflüssen gestalten zu können, welche
Plattenfirma
> presst schon 190 Gramm schwere Vinyle für ihre Künstler?
I had the privilege to meet Emil after a TD concert in Bonn in 1997. He
was not only an amazing percussionist, whose creative and energetic
work managed to integrate his own lively style with the mellower
harmonies of Tangerine Dream and will remain an enduring memory
for many fans and concert visitors. He was also a very nice person who
was friendly, forthcoming and genuinely looking forward to further work
with TD.
Emil Hachfeld will be missed by many people whose lives have been
enriched by his musical contribution.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:13
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream
> >Last night I had a dream that Cher was singing 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'...
> >
> >- jim
> >
>
>
>Jim... you are sick! That is one of the worst nightmares imaginable... did
>you awake sweating? LOL ;-)
Has anyone ever really had an opposite kind of a dream? For I sure do. I've
seen at least half a dozen of dreams where I hear some new great music by
someone (usually TD, but JMJ has gotten one appearence too), and when I
awake, I don't sadly remember at all what it was like...
With the last one, I remember some faint details though. It was playing on
the background of a some sorts of garden on a camping area or something. The
piece was 'Ricochet Part III'!
The first few minutes were somewhat similar to the 2nd main part of Part I
or the nearing-the-middle section of Part II; then came a slow percussion
part (slightly as during the central bridge of part I). No length known, no
themes known, only the abstract feelings... Isn't _that_ quite a Dream!
John Vertical
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From:
'Robert Asmus'
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:23
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Weird Dream
Are you on anti psychotic drugs Jim or are you just crazy
Robert Asmus
Email: Asmus0324@c...
Home Page:http://members.cox.net/asmus0324/
-----Original Message-----
From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...]
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 9:13 AM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream
> >Last night I had a dream that Cher was singing 'Bent Cold
Sidewalk'...
> >
> >- jim
> >
>
>
>Jim... you are sick! That is one of the worst nightmares imaginable...
did
>you awake sweating? LOL ;-)
Has anyone ever really had an opposite kind of a dream? For I sure do.
I've
seen at least half a dozen of dreams where I hear some new great music
by
someone (usually TD, but JMJ has gotten one appearence too), and when I
awake, I don't sadly remember at all what it was like...
With the last one, I remember some faint details though. It was playing
on
the background of a some sorts of garden on a camping area or something.
The
piece was 'Ricochet Part III'!
The first few minutes were somewhat similar to the 2nd main part of Part
I
or the nearing-the-middle section of Part II; then came a slow
percussion
part (slightly as during the central bridge of part I). No length known,
no
themes known, only the abstract feelings... Isn't _that_ quite a Dream!
John Vertical
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream
I once had a TD related weird dream, too (long ago). Peter Baumann
had so many modules in his modular so that he was completely
surrounded by it, and in order to see him at all on stage, there
was a window-like cut-out. Made him look like in a puppet theatre
(germans will know as Kasperle Theater).
Hey, I know its weird, but these are dreams, and we often shake
our heads about what we dream.
armin
John Vertical wrote:
>>>Last night I had a dream that Cher was singing 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'...
>>>
>>>- jim
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Jim... you are sick! That is one of the worst nightmares imaginable... did
>>you awake sweating? LOL ;-)
>>
>
>
> Has anyone ever really had an opposite kind of a dream? For I sure do. I've
> seen at least half a dozen of dreams where I hear some new great music by
> someone (usually TD, but JMJ has gotten one appearence too), and when I
> awake, I don't sadly remember at all what it was like...
>
> With the last one, I remember some faint details though. It was playing on
> the background of a some sorts of garden on a camping area or something. The
> piece was 'Ricochet Part III'!
> The first few minutes were somewhat similar to the 2nd main part of Part I
> or the nearing-the-middle section of Part II; then came a slow percussion
> part (slightly as during the central bridge of part I). No length known, no
> themes known, only the abstract feelings... Isn't _that_ quite a Dream!
>
> John Vertical
>
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From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream
I had a dream not long ago where TD were playing an outside concert in the
summer , only they were playing thier new album of Christmas carol
arrangements !!! I bet that`ll happen soon ;)
Every TD concert dream I have is awful , usually in a school hall with small
dusty speakers etc .
Think I may be working too hard .
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Robert Asmus'
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 2:23 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Weird Dream
> Are you on anti psychotic drugs Jim or are you just crazy
>
> Robert Asmus
> Email: Asmus0324@c...
> Home Page:http://members.cox.net/asmus0324/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 9:13 AM
> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream
>
> > >Last night I had a dream that Cher was singing 'Bent Cold
> Sidewalk'...
> > >
> > >- jim
> > >
> >
> >
> >Jim... you are sick! That is one of the worst nightmares imaginable...
> did
> >you awake sweating? LOL ;-)
>
>
> Has anyone ever really had an opposite kind of a dream? For I sure do.
> I've
> seen at least half a dozen of dreams where I hear some new great music
> by
> someone (usually TD, but JMJ has gotten one appearence too), and when I
> awake, I don't sadly remember at all what it was like...
>
> With the last one, I remember some faint details though. It was playing
> on
> the background of a some sorts of garden on a camping area or something.
> The
> piece was 'Ricochet Part III'!
> The first few minutes were somewhat similar to the 2nd main part of Part
> I
> or the nearing-the-middle section of Part II; then came a slow
> percussion
> part (slightly as during the central bridge of part I). No length known,
> no
> themes known, only the abstract feelings... Isn't _that_ quite a Dream!
>
> John Vertical
>
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:29
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New site
I signed up for the forum, and apparently I should get a password
by email, but I didn't. :-(
any experience on how long that might take?
armin
Marion Horrod wrote:
> Nice to see all those photos - and they load pretty quickly too. Praise be
> for web designers who think about speed as well as flashy effects!
>
> I notice that a few people (Linda springs to mind) seem to have been
> 'forgotten' in the line-ups list - although they do appear in the piccies.
>
> Looking forward to spending some time browsing around: surprised not to see
> Al writing 'by hook or by crook I'll be first in this (guest)book', but
> nice to see the other usual suspects in there.
>
> LnH
>
> Marion
>
>
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:30
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Emil Hachfeld
I'm very sad to hear that. His drumming on the tour was really great.
I will listen to his solo on 'Tournado' tonight.
armin
Dennis Nigbur wrote:
> This is a small tribute to the late Emil Hachfeld, percussionist with TD
> between 1997 and 2002.
>
> Having noticed the sign of the cross next to his name on the updated
> TD homepage, here is the only information I could find, from a German
> live music info page at http://www.konzi-tip.de/news.shtml:
>
>
>>Auch wenn es immer wieder tiefe Einschnitte gibt, wie den traurigen Todesfall
des
>>Trommlers Emil Hachfeld (u. a. TANGERINE DREAM), der das letzte
HORSHAMMER-Konzert
>>bestritt, vervolgen sie weiterhin beharlich ihr Ziel. So wurde das Label
THORSHAMMER
>>gegründet, (auf dem inzwischen auch internationale Bands vertreten sind), um
die
>>Produktionen unabhängig von äußeren Einflüssen gestalten zu können, welche
Plattenfirma
>>presst schon 190 Gramm schwere Vinyle für ihre Künstler?
>>
>
> I had the privilege to meet Emil after a TD concert in Bonn in 1997. He
> was not only an amazing percussionist, whose creative and energetic
> work managed to integrate his own lively style with the mellower
> harmonies of Tangerine Dream and will remain an enduring memory
> for many fans and concert visitors. He was also a very nice person who
> was friendly, forthcoming and genuinely looking forward to further work
> with TD.
>
> Emil Hachfeld will be missed by many people whose lives have been
> enriched by his musical contribution.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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From:
'Peter Ravn'
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:33
pm
Subject: OT: Hear outtakes from Klaus Schulzes next box
Hi,
On http://www.rainhorse.de/ is outtakes from Klaus Schulze's next box set
'Contemporary Works 2' available.
6 of 12 outtakes is available now.
Peter
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From:
'Peter Ravn'
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:35
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Emil Hachfeld
According to http://www.germanrock.de/musiker/h/hachfeld_emil.htm
died he in 2000 - very sadly....
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Armin Theissen'
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Emil Hachfeld
> I'm very sad to hear that. His drumming on the tour was really great.
>
> I will listen to his solo on 'Tournado' tonight.
>
> armin
>
> Dennis Nigbur wrote:
>
> > This is a small tribute to the late Emil Hachfeld, percussionist with TD
> > between 1997 and 2002.
> >
> > Having noticed the sign of the cross next to his name on the updated
> > TD homepage, here is the only information I could find, from a German
> > live music info page at http://www.konzi-tip.de/news.shtml:
> >
> >
> >>Auch wenn es immer wieder tiefe Einschnitte gibt, wie den traurigen
Todesfall des
> >>Trommlers Emil Hachfeld (u. a. TANGERINE DREAM), der das letzte
HORSHAMMER-Konzert
> >>bestritt, vervolgen sie weiterhin beharlich ihr Ziel. So wurde das Label
THORSHAMMER
> >>gegründet, (auf dem inzwischen auch internationale Bands vertreten
sind), um die
> >>Produktionen unabhängig von äußeren Einflüssen gestalten zu können,
welche Plattenfirma
> >>presst schon 190 Gramm schwere Vinyle für ihre Künstler?
> >>
> >
> > I had the privilege to meet Emil after a TD concert in Bonn in 1997. He
> > was not only an amazing percussionist, whose creative and energetic
> > work managed to integrate his own lively style with the mellower
> > harmonies of Tangerine Dream and will remain an enduring memory
> > for many fans and concert visitors. He was also a very nice person who
> > was friendly, forthcoming and genuinely looking forward to further work
> > with TD.
> >
> > Emil Hachfeld will be missed by many people whose lives have been
> > enriched by his musical contribution.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
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> >
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> > http://www.tadream.net/tree
> >
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream
From: Armin Theissen
> (maybe not so bad for you americans - TD in Las Vegas!)
TD playing in Las Vegas? That's sounds like a great idea. Just imagine the
exposure ;-)
As for weird dreams, I had my own this morning.
I was at a dinner at one of Saddam Hussein's palaces with a entourage of
American guests.
During the dinner I managed to approach him and ask him if he liked
electronic music and cared to listen to my favorite band Tangerine Dream?
He looked at me strangely and took a long sip on his milkshake. Later at
the end of the dinner as the 'guests' were leaving, he told me that I must
stay. I became very nervous as he and I and his guards walked out to a
large white ambulance parked in the back of his compound. I check the
ambulance to see if it had a CD player and then I double checked that I had
my 'Le Parc' CD in my coat jacket.
At the point, I hear a knock on my bedroom door, and it's my son asking what
are we having for breakfast.
Darn, I didn't get to find out if I was going to be the first US victim of
the new conflict with Iraq, or if I would be able to crank up some TD as we
sped around in the ambulance and try to convince him that listening to TD
can make the world a better place for all of us.
Vic
From:
'Janet Wojtecki'
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:37
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TTree2 (extensive review!)
Re Mannheim, yes Heiko I agree. For me Mannheim is one, if not THE highlight
of the set.
Well done in tracking down the new version .Thanks
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Heiko Heerssen'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] TTree2 (extensive review!)
>
>
>
> > Well, I've had my disks since Friday, listened each through at least
once,
> > and here's my lenghty review:
>
> Thanks John for your extensive review of TT#2 (although after finished
reading
> it I'm still not sure whether you liked it or not ;-) I agree with what
you're
> saying about Newcastle 1981 (Volume 10) being mechanic and clinically
cold. But
> if one is in the right mood for it it's always fascinating to hear it
> (especially the first 30+ minutes of the 1st set have a special 'cold war'
> atmosphere..hard to describe) I don't agree with what you said about
Mannheim
> 1976 (Volume 13) having 'too many watered-down themes of TT1 and TT8', I
think
> it's a great concert (but you have to listen to it a couple of times
before
> coming to this conclusion since the music of Mannheim seems to be much
more
> improvised than -for example- Nottingham or Berlin 1976) But then again,
each of
> us has his/her own individual taste about the music of Tangerine Dream :-)
>
> Heiko
>
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream
A good friend of mine and bandmember lived in Bagdad for
three years (worked in the german embassy there). He's much
into TD, Schulze etc.. He may have spread some TD in Iraq...
;-)
After his Bagdad time he went to Teheran. So don't be surprised...
;-)
armin
vic rek wrote:
> From: Armin Theissen
>
>>(maybe not so bad for you americans - TD in Las Vegas!)
>>
>
> TD playing in Las Vegas? That's sounds like a great idea. Just imagine the
> exposure ;-)
>
> As for weird dreams, I had my own this morning.
> I was at a dinner at one of Saddam Hussein's palaces with a entourage of
> American guests.
> During the dinner I managed to approach him and ask him if he liked
> electronic music and cared to listen to my favorite band Tangerine Dream?
> He looked at me strangely and took a long sip on his milkshake. Later at
> the end of the dinner as the 'guests' were leaving, he told me that I must
> stay. I became very nervous as he and I and his guards walked out to a
> large white ambulance parked in the back of his compound. I check the
> ambulance to see if it had a CD player and then I double checked that I had
> my 'Le Parc' CD in my coat jacket.
>
> At the point, I hear a knock on my bedroom door, and it's my son asking what
> are we having for breakfast.
> Darn, I didn't get to find out if I was going to be the first US victim of
> the new conflict with Iraq, or if I would be able to crank up some TD as we
> sped around in the ambulance and try to convince him that listening to TD
> can make the world a better place for all of us.
>
> Vic
>
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:50
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online
Looks nice, I especially liked the photos section. I had expected an update
for a long time already!
I'd second that comment about reversing the 'next' and 'previous' arrows in
the chronological galleries, though... And the color scheme could have been
a little more towards tangerine of course.
>Also, some release are 'No Longer Available', including Soundmill
>Navigator, Sohoman, Canyon Dreams...and most disturbingly, Antique
>Dreams, an album I consider to be the best thing they put out since
>the original Dream Mixes release.
I already got SN and AD, don't care much about Sohoman, but Canyon Dreams
unavaivable sounds sad... :(
Is there any other company selling this?
>Thanks TDi for a great-looking website. And most importantly, that awesome
>jukebox feature! Now playing Rubycon pt1 - the perfect mood for reading up
>on my favorite band!
The jukebox doesn't work for me, what're its system requirements? Should a
Mac work?
>noted the Joshua Tree... too bad I see thousands of these daily but
>still...
>I noted it on the viewer...
Joshua Tree?!?
I tried to search a bit on Google to find out what that means; I only found
a National Park and a U2 album.. I don't think you can mean either.
John Vertical
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From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 3:01
pm
Subject: com vs org
tangerinedream.com was already taken. It's a vintage automobile locator
service.
I think the whatever gets used for whatever purpose the buyer chooses.
Exceptions would be the .edu and .mil and .gov which are reserved for
universities, military, and government (all US). The rest seem to go
whichever way they want.
-----Original Message-----
ps I thought dot org was for noncommercial sites.....
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 3:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Hear outtakes from Klaus Schulzes next box
From: Peter Ravn
> On http://www.rainhorse.de/ is outtakes from Klaus Schulze's next box set
> 'Contemporary Works 2' available.
> 6 of 12 outtakes is available now.
If you live in the US, I can accept pre-orders for this box set (this helps
guarantee that you get the bonus CD too).
I also had to lower the cost of my TD CDs since the new TD website has
become very competitive in its pricing :)
VicRek
www.ricochetdream.com
From:
Mark Filipak
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 5:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Emil Hachfeld
Oh my! How sad. Rest in Peace and Love, Emil.
I tried the link Peter provided and got a blank page. Would someone be so
very kind to translate the German supplied by Dennis.
> > Dennis Nigbur wrote:
> >
> > >>Auch wenn es immer wieder tiefe Einschnitte gibt, wie den
> > >>traurigen Todesfall des Trommlers Emil Hachfeld (u. a. TANGERINE
> > >>DREAM), der das letzte HORSHAMMER-Konzert bestritt, vervolgen sie
> > >>weiterhin beharlich ihr Ziel. So wurde das Label THORSHAMMER
> > >>gegründet, (auf dem inzwischen auch internationale Bands vertreten
> > >>sind), um die Produktionen unabhängig von äußeren Einflüssen
> > >>gestalten zu können, welche Plattenfirma presst schon 190 Gramm
> > >>schwere Vinyle für ihre Künstler?
Peter Ravn wrote:
>
> According to http://www.germanrock.de/musiker/h/hachfeld_emil.htm
> died he in 2000 - very sadly....
>
> Peter
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 1:40
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Emil Hachfeld
This is quite a shock about Emil. I had no idea he was no longer with us. I
don't wish to be morbid, but does anyone know what caused it?, as he was
still relatively young.
Let us all think of him and thank him when we listen to 'Tournado' and
'Valentine Wheels'
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Nigbur
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:21 AM
Subject: [tadream] Emil Hachfeld
This is a small tribute to the late Emil Hachfeld, percussionist with TD
between 1997 and 2002.
Having noticed the sign of the cross next to his name on the updated
TD homepage, here is the only information I could find, from a German
live music info page at http://www.konzi-tip.de/news.shtml:
From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 1:48
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Weird Dream
I saw a very unfamiliar-looking TD once in a big hall with barely any
audience, playing a very strange set of guitar based jazz fusion. Everyone
was commenting they didn't like this new 'direction' of TD's. I decided
there and then not to but any CDs that contained this style of music, and
couldn't wait for the concert to end.
I've also had a few instances where, totally by co-incidence, I've walked
into a cafe and sat there at a table are Edgar and Jerome. All I could do
was curse the fact I didn't have anything on me that they could sign!
And years ago, TD were doing a concert in my old sixth-form rest room! How
cool was that?
Oh, by the way, in case you hadn't guessed, these were all dreams.
- Chris
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 1:51
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] com vs org
How could someone else use the words 'tangerine dream'? Don't TDI have the
trademark on the name?
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Owens, James
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 8:01 AM
Subject: [tadream] com vs org
> tangerinedream.com was already taken. It's a vintage automobile locator
> service.
>
> I think the whatever gets used for whatever purpose the buyer
chooses.
> Exceptions would be the .edu and .mil and .gov which are reserved for
> universities, military, and government (all US). The rest seem to go
> whichever way they want.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> ps I thought dot org was for noncommercial sites.....
>
>
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>
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> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
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>
>
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 2:06
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online
There seems to be a problem with the online shop too. After entering my
country and payment method, I clicked 'continue' as prompted, but the next
page says that my cart is currently empty, even though there's a CD clearly
displayed in it. I tried four times too. Has anyone else used the shop yet?
Did you experience this problem?
Just teething problems I hope.
- Chris
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 6:04
pm
Subject: Copyright
>How could someone else use the words 'tangerine dream'? Don't TDI have the
>trademark on the name?
>-Chris Owen
Copyrights apply to specific markets.
I cannot come out with my own soda called Coca-Cola or my own facial tissue
called Kleenex.
But nobody can stop me from coming out with a car called the 'Xerox'. Also
the numbering matters. The Porsche was originally supposed to be the 901
but Peugeot fought them in court and won, so they had to call it the 911.
As for TD, there is Tangerine Dream ice cream, for instance. It is in a
totally different market.
Finally, to add confusion, copyrights on a movie title or music CD are
peculiar. I can come out with a movie called 'Terminator' or 'Jurassic
Park' tomorrow and nobody can stop me, unless I steal the specific design
and typography of the logo and artworks used.
I firmly disagree with TD moving to a non-profit organization domain
'tangerinedream.org'. The already www.tadream.de, www.tangerinedream.de,
www.tdi-music-mall.de, and www.groundliftaz.de. Hopefully the location at
the .org domain is temporary.
-Morgan
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 6:04
pm
Subject: Firestarter: Rekindled on Groove.nl
This is not an advertisement. Actually it's a disadvertisement.
An entry has appeared on Groove.nl for
'BREAKING NEWS'
'Tangerine Dream - FIRESTARTER: REKINDLED (DVD) 21064 '
and the individual entry for it is:
'FIRESTARTER: REKINDLED (DVD) 21064 / ? 21.75 2002. PAL, Zone 2. Rel.date:
Oct 14 2002'
under the Tangerine Dream section.
Firestarter: Rekindled (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0297120) is a made-for-TV
movie produced in 2002 with original music by Randy Miller.
If you visit the IMDB site above, click on (more) under Cast and Crew for
the more detailed list.
To my knowledge, there is no TD music in this movie.
-Morgan
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 2:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Website is online
Cheap CDs certainly, but $7.20 to mail one from Germany to the UK? Ouch.
- Chris
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 6:13
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] com vs org
If you go to Tangerinedream.com
you will see a Porsche painted in the 'tangerine dream' color.
While I would expect legal action against an upstart band who decided to use
the name 'Tangerine Dream', I rather doubt that TDI would have any
reasonable claim against auto dealers, dune-buggy manufacturers, or even
Canadian strippers!
James
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Owen [mailto:chris@o...]
How could someone else use the words 'tangerine dream'? Don't TDI have the
trademark on the name?
From:
'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 6:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] com vs org
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Owens, James'
> I think the whatever gets used for whatever purpose the buyer
chooses.
> Exceptions would be the .edu and .mil and .gov which are reserved for
> universities, military, and government (all US).
Non-US entities can also use .edu/gov/mil
org were originally for nonprofit organisations but as with com and net,
it's use has been watered down so anyone can use it for any purpose.
Glenn
From:
'Owens, James'
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 6:53
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] com vs org
My bank (which is a Federal Credit Union) has a .org address:
www.redfcu.org
-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media [mailto:glenn@f...]
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 1:24 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tadream] com vs org
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Owens, James'
> I think the whatever gets used for whatever purpose the buyer
chooses.
> Exceptions would be the .edu and .mil and .gov which are reserved for
> universities, military, and government (all US).
Non-US entities can also use .edu/gov/mil
org were originally for nonprofit organisations but as with com and net,
it's use has been watered down so anyone can use it for any purpose.
Glenn
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From:
'tei waz'
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 8:00
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] com vs org
From: 'Owens, James'
My bank (which is a Federal Credit Union) has a .org address:
www.redfcu.org
as a nonprofit dot org is as it should be.....
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Subject: New file uploaded to tadream
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From:
Art Of Vision
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 9:05
pm
Subject: Re: TTree2 (extensive review!)
>Well, I've had my disks since Friday,
>listened each through at least once,
>and here's my lenghty review:
This review is marvellous, John! Very picturesque.
I imagined the music while reading it, sometimes
almost heared it in my ears - it'll be fine to
compare it with the original... thanks!
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From:
Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 10:49
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Firestarter: Rekindled on Groove.nl
At 13:04 15-8-02 -0500, you wrote:
>This is not an advertisement. Actually it's a disadvertisement.
>
>An entry has appeared on Groove.nl for
>
>'BREAKING NEWS'
>'Tangerine Dream - FIRESTARTER: REKINDLED (DVD) 21064 '
>
>and the individual entry for it is:
>
>'FIRESTARTER: REKINDLED (DVD) 21064 / ? 21.75 2002. PAL, Zone 2. Rel.date:
>Oct 14 2002'
>under the Tangerine Dream section.
>
>Firestarter: Rekindled (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0297120) is a made-for-TV
>movie produced in 2002 with original music by Randy Miller.
>
>If you visit the IMDB site above, click on (more) under Cast and Crew for
>the more detailed list.
>
>To my knowledge, there is no TD music in this movie.
>
>-Morgan
Thanks for the info. I was told that it was the TD version.
We have removed it.
Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten,
Kees
GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music)
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From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 1:30
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Weird Dream
From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...]
> >Last night I had a dream that Cher was singing 'Bent Cold
Sidewalk'...
>Has anyone ever really had an opposite kind of a dream? For I sure do.
I've
seen at least half a dozen of dreams where I hear some new great music
by
someone (usually TD, but JMJ has gotten one appearence too), and when I
awake, I don't sadly remember at all what it was like...
Actually, about 10 years ago, I dreamed a dream ('what can it mean?')
that I was hosting Saturday Night Live, and the musical guests were
Tangerine Dream with David Sanborn on sax. They played the two
Destination Berlin pieces in the same fashion as on 'In Den Gaertens
Pharaos'.
(I can only remember being in one skit with Chris Farley...)
- jim
From:
'colin anderson'
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 4:28
am
Subject: Re: Logos Remix
Double take or what!! The first 30 seconds of this is classic Human League,
circa Dare. Have a listen and you'll see what I mean.
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 6
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:58:16 +0200
From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
Subject: Logos remix
http://www.oxygene65.freeserve.co.uk/music.htm
There's a eurotrance remix of Logos on that page, made by James Munro in
London
Glenn
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 4:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Logos Remix
Human League style was in your face synth. Typical of the 80's run.
Logos was not. To be fair, I will take some time tomorrow and check this
out.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'colin anderson'
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 9:28 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Logos Remix
> Double take or what!! The first 30 seconds of this is classic Human
League, circa Dare. Have a listen and you'll see what I mean.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:58:16 +0200
> From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media'
> Subject: Logos remix
>
> http://www.oxygene65.freeserve.co.uk/music.htm
>
> There's a eurotrance remix of Logos on that page, made by James Munro in
> London
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
From:
Marko Marin
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 6:51
am
Subject: [tadream] Re: Weird Dream
I never had any TD-dreams so I guess I'm the only
normal person here, you freaks! :-)
Regards,
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From:
Armin Theissen
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 9:29
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] com vs org
...and there was a 'Tangerine Dream' motel somewhere in
the US, and a 'Tangerine Dream' pin up girl site...
a.
Chris Owen wrote:
> How could someone else use the words 'tangerine dream'? Don't TDI have the
> trademark on the name?
>
> - Chris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Owens, James
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 8:01 AM
> Subject: [tadream] com vs org
>
>
>
>>tangerinedream.com was already taken. It's a vintage automobile locator
>>service.
>>
>>I think the whatever gets used for whatever purpose the buyer
>>
> chooses.
>
>>Exceptions would be the .edu and .mil and .gov which are reserved for
>>universities, military, and government (all US). The rest seem to go
>>whichever way they want.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>
>>ps I thought dot org was for noncommercial sites.....
>>
>>
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>>
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>>http://www.tadream.net/tree
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 9:59
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Emil Hachfeld
Here's the translation, Mark. I was a bit too shocked yesterday to bother with
it.
On 15 Aug 2002 at 13:08, Mark Filipak wrote:
> Oh my! How sad. Rest in Peace and Love, Emil.
>
> I tried the link Peter provided and got a blank page. Would someone be
> so very kind to translate the German supplied by Dennis.
> > > >>Auch wenn es immer wieder tiefe Einschnitte gibt, wie den
> > > >>traurigen Todesfall des Trommlers Emil Hachfeld (u. a. TANGERINE
> > > >>DREAM), der das letzte HORSHAMMER-Konzert bestritt, vervolgen
> > > >>sie weiterhin beharlich ihr Ziel. So wurde das Label THORSHAMMER
> > > >>gegründet, (auf dem inzwischen auch internationale Bands
> > > >>vertreten sind), um die Produktionen unabhängig von äußeren
> > > >>Einflüssen gestalten zu können, welche Plattenfirma presst schon
> > > >>190 Gramm schwere Vinyle für ihre Künstler?
'Despite repeated upheavals, such as the sad death of the drummer Emil Hachfeld
(e.g. TANGERINE DREAM), who played the last THORSHAMMER concert, they keep
pursuing their aims doggedly. So the label THORSHAMMER was founded (on which
international bands are now represented as well) to produce independently of
external
influence; which record label would press vinyls of 190 grammes for their
artists, after
all?'
Since all of this has little or no relevance to Emil or TD except a brief
mention, I think
you'll understand why I didn't consider the translation worthwhile at the time.
This
snippet about Thor's Hammer was simply the only Hachfeld-related entry I could
find.
Dennis
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From:
David Hughes
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 10:06
am
Subject: InfectionInstruments Newsletter No. 005
Hello,
It's been a busy two weeks and work on the General Development System has
continued at a very healthy pace.
Membership of the discussion group continues to grow and, as of last night,
we've reached 46 members. A warm welcome to all of those newcomers to the list.
In the last newsletter (004, 02-Aug-02) we were able to demonstrate the
prototype version of Zeit playing sequences from memory with the MIDI velocity
modified by a software-derived low frequency oscillator.
Since then, Zeit has expanded quite a bit and the prototype system now features
an eight channel potentiometer board, rotary encoder inputs, four switches and
the all-important tempo LED. These were all constructed on stripboard and they
look a bit rough and ready but they at least give us the opportunity to develop
software very rapidly.
There are a collection of video snaps over on the web page for those who are
interested. The quality of these snaps is a major disappointment to us and we'll
be investing in a decent quality digital camera in a couple of weeks.
So, what can Zeit do at the moment? The best way to demonstrate this is to have
a listen to some of the samples over on the InfectionInstruments web pages
(http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk).
Zeit is able to play eight note sequences on one MIDI channel, with
transposition, synchronised to an external MIDI clock. We ran the prototype from
a Yamaha RM1x Rhythm Re-sequencer at it's maximum tempo of 300 bpm for two hours
and Zeit was still playing properly with no stuck notes or unusual system
problems.
When we first started to experiment with the eight pitch knobs it became
immediately obvious that, such was the coarse resolution of the potentiometers,
finding an accurate pitch was quite difficult. The next step was to write the
force-to-scale routines and to limit the effective range of the pitch knobs in
software. The video snaps illustrate force-to-scale and transposition in action.
The sequencer is set up to play a major scale so that, when a knob is turned,
the resulting MIDI Note numbers always fall in a major key. Press a key on the
MIDI keyboard and the sequence is transposed but the notes played still remain
in a major key. My favourite example of this technique is the ChurchOrgan
sample.
I've uploaded seven samples in total which should demonstrate some of the
capabilities of the sequencer. Have a listen and let me know what you think.
That's all for now. I'm on holiday in two weeks time so the next newsletter may
be a couple of days late.
Best wishes
David
--
Infection Music
http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk
http://www.mp3.com/tbassuk
From:
'Greg'
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 1:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Logos Remix
This sounds more like a regression of things than a progression...
Greg H.
NP: FSOL: The Isness
From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 2:47
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Firestarter: Rekindled on Groove.nl
You are absolutely correct sir. This is pure and
simple hype or if you perfer B.S.
Wade
--- Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited
wrote:
> At 13:04 15-8-02 -0500, you wrote:
> >This is not an advertisement. Actually it's a
> disadvertisement.
> >
> >An entry has appeared on Groove.nl for
> >
> >'BREAKING NEWS'
> >'Tangerine Dream - FIRESTARTER: REKINDLED (DVD)
> 21064 '
> >
> >and the individual entry for it is:
> >
> >'FIRESTARTER: REKINDLED (DVD) 21064 / ? 21.75
> 2002. PAL, Zone 2. Rel.date:
> >Oct 14 2002'
> >under the Tangerine Dream section.
> >
> >Firestarter: Rekindled
> (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0297120) is a made-for-TV
> >movie produced in 2002 with original music by Randy
> Miller.
> >
> >If you visit the IMDB site above, click on (more)
> under Cast and Crew for
> >the more detailed list.
> >
> >To my knowledge, there is no TD music in this
> movie.
> >
> >-Morgan
>
> Thanks for the info. I was told that it was the TD
> version.
> We have removed it.
>
>
> Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten,
>
> Kees
>
> GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music)
> Kees Aerts
> PO Box 2171
> 8203 AD Lelystad
> the Netherlands
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>
>
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From:
'richter_arne'
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 2:59
pm
Subject: Re: Emil Hachfeld
It seems that Emil also played with a band called 'Lord Bishop's
Rockadelic Kings'. Here is what I found at
http://www.lobby.ie/profiles/rockadelickings.html
=======
'Lord Bishop's Rockadelic Kings' were founded in late summer of 1999
by cult hero rock freak Lord Bishop from New York City with
Paul 'Lion' Sinclair (bass, flute and harmonica player from
London).The musical idea was to vibe a mixture of Hard Rock, Funk,
Soul Reggae and tons of chaos with a big fat groove. For that they
found drummer Emil Hachfeld from Berlin.
The threesome approached the art of music in a non mainstream
direction but not getting away from the seductive hooks and catchy
lyrics that ooze through your head and never leave.
The first album 'Revolution 2000' was released in March 2000 and the
first tour led them all through Germany, The Netherlands, Belgium,
England, Ireland, Poland and the Czech Republic.
But after this successful start fate struck back - drummer Emil
Hachfeld died.
The decision if and how to go on or not had to be made quickly
because a ten hour show was just about to happen. The decision
that 'you have to rock on' came with Rich 'Chicken Rock' Bryant who
replaced Emil during the 'Sex, Drugs and Punk n Roll Tour' - to the
relief of the Rock Kings fans.
From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 3:10
pm
Subject: [tadream] Deadly Care VHS
Hi all,
Not all of you may know that Deadly Care exists on VHS, well here is the
proof:
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/films/webpages/deadlycare.html
Cheers
Paul
From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 3:25
pm
Subject: Tangerine Dreams
I dreamt last night that I was able to go back to an 82 concert with my
digital camera. :)
-Morgan
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 5:48
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Logos Remix
A regression is only progression in reverse. If you want, you can take the
midi file, reverse it (add some backward masking) and call it regression if
you want.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Greg'
To:
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Logos Remix
> This sounds more like a regression of things than a progression...
>
> Greg H.
>
> NP: FSOL: The Isness
>
>
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>
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 5:50
pm
Subject: Tangerine Dream's radio appearance
I don't know how you make a appearance on the radio but this was on the EM
list..
Cross post
Please go to www.lougentile.com to see new information
on Tangerine Dream's radio appearance.
Tim Rivers
dale
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From:
'tadream'
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 7:27
pm
Subject: Re: Logos remix
Love it, Love it Love it.
And yes, it DOES start out like classic Human League from the 'Dare' era just
like he said.
Thanks guys
From:
'Dave Brewer'
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 2:28
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Emil Hachfeld
Hi Everyone,
Wow, I can't believe that Emil was so busy with different groups like that.
That's impressive! I'm currently working with two different groups (playing
drums with one and keyboards with the other) and my solo stuff, but at least
it's all locally. This is while having a regular job, but still Emil's
workload was more impressive as my one group is just barely starting, and
the other one is just trying to play out somewhere.
I remember when I first heard that TD was taking on Emil as a percussionist,
I was excited and was hoping that he was going to become a main part of the
group with some writing involvement. I would have rather seen him take on
all the drumming, but thought his additions to what was already there were
quite good. I'm sorry I was never able to see a TD show with him in it.
So was Emil's last public appearance with TD the Osnabruek 1999 Mars Polaris
show? I may have to listen to that show again (I haven't in quite some
time). If he really did pass away a couple of years ago, it's really sad we
never heard about it until now. I guess that would explain why he hasn't
been with TD recently (not knocking Iris, though). Is he the first TD
musician (past or present) to pass away? And I wonder why there was never
any explicit mention of his passing on TD's website (other than the cross
next to his name on the one picture)? Just some things I was thinking
about. Going back to lurking... :-)
Regards,
Dave B.
-----Original Message-----
From: richter_arne
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 16, 2002 8:00 AM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Emil Hachfeld
>It seems that Emil also played with a band called 'Lord Bishop's
>Rockadelic Kings'. Here is what I found at
>
>http://www.lobby.ie/profiles/rockadelickings.html
>
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 2:09
am
Subject: Peter Baumann - Romance '76
Does anyone have an original CD of Peter Baumann's Romance '76 for sale or
trade?
I'm trying to help out a friend in Poland that is dying to get this release.
This must be an original CD of course.
Also, I am looking for Peter Baumann 7' singles from France - these will be
tough to find.
BTW, I still consider Romance '76 as one of the top EM albums of all time!
Talk to me off-list if you can help. Thanks.
Vic
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From:
'Jeffrey Au Yeung'
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 11:50
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Emil Hachfeld
I am saddened and still find it unbelievable on hearing this news 2 days
ago. Still remember vividly meeting and shaking hands with Zlatoko and Emil
after the Neu-Isenburg show. They were both very friendly. At one moment I
was poking fun at Emil as he had to deliberately slowed down the drumming
(compared to other TD compositions) during 'Warsaw In The Sun'.
Yes I was listening to his drumming on Tournado the other day and my mind
was empty for quite a while. How sad, we lost a young man of energy.
Peace
Jeffrey
>From: 'Chris Owen'
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: [tadream] Emil Hachfeld
>Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:40:57 -0700
>
>This is quite a shock about Emil. I had no idea he was no longer with us. I
>don't wish to be morbid, but does anyone know what caused it?, as he was
>still relatively young.
>
>Let us all think of him and thank him when we listen to 'Tournado' and
>'Valentine Wheels'
>
>- Chris
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Dennis Nigbur
>To:
>Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:21 AM
>Subject: [tadream] Emil Hachfeld
>
>
>This is a small tribute to the late Emil Hachfeld, percussionist with TD
>between 1997 and 2002.
>
>Having noticed the sign of the cross next to his name on the updated
>TD homepage, here is the only information I could find, from a German
>live music info page at http://www.konzi-tip.de/news.shtml:
>
>
>
>
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From:
'Jeffrey Au Yeung'
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 1:55
pm
Subject: Re: Green Desert & missing Peter / Buddhism (off-topic)
Mark
Only noticed your post now...
I doubt if Peter really studied Zen Buddhism there: Zen Meditation is not
really taught in Tibet today. 'Zen' is Japanese buddhism derived from the
Chinese 'Chan' buddhism. Buddhism in Tibet is specifically known as 'Tibetan
esoteric buddhism', consisting mainly of Gelug, Sakya, Kagyu and the Nyingma
schools. In the 8th Century, there was a big debate between the 'Chan' monk
Mo-ho-yen from China and Kamalasila from India. History records that
Mo-ho-yen lost the debate, and as a result 'Chan' (or 'Zen' Buddhism) lost
ground in Tibet. Later, tantric (esoteric) buddhism was brought from India
by Padmasambhava, Atisa etc and became the 'mainstream'. Then with the
religious reform of Tsong Ka-pa in the 14th Century, the Gelug school (which
Dalai Lama belongs) was established the leading school until today. AFAIK,
in tibet, many (or at considerable) buddhists have a rather negative feeling
when they hear 'Zen' or 'Chan' buddhism.
Hope this off-topic isn't too boring.
Jeffrey
>From: Mark Filipak
>>You're confused, Armin -- understandable. You're thinking of March, 1975,
>> >when Peter went to Lhasa to study Zen meditation and Michael Hoenig
>> >filled in for the Australasian Tour.
>
>
>Ciao -- Mark
>
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 2:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Peter Baumann - Romance '76
>Does anyone have an original CD of Peter Baumann's Romance '76 for sale or
>trade?
Does it exist?
>BTW, I still consider Romance '76 as one of the top EM albums of all time!
Sure is. I don't play it as often as I should though.
I also like Transharmonic Nights very much.
>Talk to me off-list if you can help. Thanks.
>Vic
Gustavo Jobim
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From:
'michael_berling'
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:03
pm
Subject: VitN updated
Hi all,
just to inform you: VitN has just been updated again with some bug
fixes and additional data. Please check the News section for details.
BTW, VitN is online now for a about one year, and more than 7,100
people have visited it by now (or, most probably, much less people
have visited it more than once...) I suppose the site will become
even more popular now that TD have finally added a direct link to
VitN on their new site. Thanks to you, Martin -- I suppose you've
been involved in this wise decision... ;-)
I'd like to say thank you to all list members who have supported the
site so far -- you know who you are!
Regards
Michael
From:
'michael_berling'
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:26
pm
Subject: VitN updated
Hi all,
just to inform you: VitN has just been updated again with some bug
fixes and additional data. Please check the News section for details.
BTW, VitN is online now for a about one year, and more than 7,100
people have visited it by now (or, most probably, much less people
have visited it more than once...) I suppose the site will become
even more popular now that TD have finally added a direct link to
VitN on their new site. Thanks to you, Martin -- I suppose you've
been involved in this wise decision... ;-)
I'd like to say thank you to all list members who have supported the
site so far -- you know who you are!
Regards
Michael
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From:
'michael_berling'
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:36
pm
Subject: Some TT2 remarks
Hi all,
I'd like to say thank you to everyone who was involved in the making
of TT 2 -- TD for their great music, those who recorded the tapes
decades ago, Heiko the tree-man himself, those who did the fine
remastering, those who did the fantastic artwork, and those who
provided the technical support (database, ftp, shn and so on). And
thanks to those I forgot to mention, of course. This TD community
once again succeeded to create one of the finest TD fan projects ever.
Though I was so lucky to receive my SHN disks very early, I've not
yet managed to listen to all the concerts due to constant lack of
time -- and I need time to listen carefully ('But listen carefully
and this key is yours - for we can lead you far beyond that door')...
Well, those concerts I've listened to by now are really great --
especially for me, being a fan of the early eighties line-up with
Johannes!
I appreciate the artwork very much, and I suppose I have to buy a
color printer eventually... The artwork is in style so similar to
that of official TD records... There are even those small mistakes
that make them real TD covers... ;-)
Some errors I've found so far: On Volume 11 poor Steve is misspelled
once again -- this time Joliffe instead of Jolliffe. (Even worse:
I've overlooked myself a mistake in the SHN text files where he is
named Stefe instead of Steve). On Volume 12, the Track 'Logos VI' is
missing the word 'Part', and on Volume 15&16 Gerald Gradwohl is
misspelled Gradwool. And on the backside of Volume 15 Emil Hachfeld
has a post-mortem appearance on the line-up photo -- well, I think
it's meant as a kind of tribute, though at that time we didn't know
that he had passed away...
Regards
Michael
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From:
'michael_berling'
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:40
pm
Subject: Re: VitN updated
--- In tadream@y..., 'michael_berling' wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> just to inform you:
Sorry about the duplicate post -- don't know how this happened... I
didn't want to spam... ;-)
Michael
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 6:12
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Some TT2 remarks
>Some errors I've found so far: On Volume 11 poor Steve is misspelled
>once again -- this time Joliffe instead of Jolliffe.
Waitwaitwait. You mean he isn't Jollife with only one f?
John Vertical
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 10:12
pm
Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for August 17, 2002
[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]
The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays
electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other
genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown on 91.7 FM and
on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also
host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am.
Show #6 August 17, 2002.
RECAP:
I started with spacemusic and moved through some eclectic genres of music,
ending with some progressive rock. Along the way, I played the music of a band
that will be appearing at the Progday festival in Chapel Hill, North Carolina
on August 31 and September 1. I will return to The AM/FM Show on August 31.
PLAYLIST:
Phase I/Space:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
vidnaObmana and I The Shifts Recyclings
Asmus Tiechens (Soleilmoon)
VA [Ministry of Inside While the Rest of the The Gatherings (Synkronos)
Things] World Sleeps
VA [Bionaut] Astral Unraveller The Gatherings (Synkronos)
Navigator Flashing Blue Oceanic Empire (Groove)
Phase II/Eclectic:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Trammell Starks The Castle Gate A Trilogy Fantasy (St. Clair)
Linisfarne This Too Will Pass Lindisfarne Acoustic (none)
Eva Cassidy I Wandered By A Brookside Time After Time (Blix Street)
Erik Wollo Rainbows Guitar Nove (Spotted Peccary)
Armen Chakmakian Gypsy Rain Ceremonies (Tru Art)
Willy Porter If Love Were An Airplane Willy Porter (Six Degrees)
Phase III/Progressive Rock:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Porcupine Tree Strip the Soul Sampler 2002.3 (Lava)
Porcupine Tree Slave Called Shiver Stupid Dream (K Scope)
VA [IZZ] Oh, How It's Great Progday 2002 (Progday)
Transatlantic Duel With The Devil Bridge Across Forever
(InsideOut)
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
Bill
===============================================================================
Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am.
Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30.
http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic
Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiy.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us
From:
odean@m...
Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 1:24
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Logos Remix
At 09:28 PM 8/15/02, you wrote:
>Double take or what!! The first 30 seconds of this is classic Human
>League, circa Dare. Have a listen and you'll see what I mean.
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
Yes, the bassline is very reminiscent of The Sound of the Crowd.
From:
Paul Fellows
Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 3:58
pm
Subject: [tadream] TD concert ticket stubs
Hi all,
An idea occurred to me today whilst looking through the files uploaded to
the Tadream site.
As a lot of you will know, I have a comprehensive list of concerts given by
TD on my site. There is often discussion on this list about the accuracy of
certain dates, which when you think about it is rather surprising because
surely hundreds or even thousands of people must have been present at pretty
much every concert they gave after Phaedra made it into the UK charts. I
don't know about you but I preciously guard my TD concert ticket stubs.
So why doesn't each member of this list post scans or photocopies or
whatever of the tickets for concerts they have attended? Surely as there
are somewhere between 400-500 subscribers, we should be able to come up with
a large body of information proving that these concerts actually took place
and on a certain date.
The objective of this exercise would be to add a link to each scan next to
each date as a real proof that this concert really took place. The ultimate
concert database if you like.
So how about it y'all?
Paul
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 12:03
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD concert ticket stubs
Sounds like a good idea to me Paul. Wouldn't it be great if we could amass
at least one ticket from every single TD concert? It'd prove a great asset
to any concert archive. As a tour 'veteran' since UK 1986, count me in!
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Fellows
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 8:58 AM
Subject: [tadream] TD concert ticket stubs
> Hi all,
>
> An idea occurred to me today whilst looking through the files uploaded to
> the Tadream site.
>
> As a lot of you will know, I have a comprehensive list of concerts given
by
> TD on my site. There is often discussion on this list about the accuracy
of
> certain dates, which when you think about it is rather surprising because
> surely hundreds or even thousands of people must have been present at
pretty
> much every concert they gave after Phaedra made it into the UK charts. I
> don't know about you but I preciously guard my TD concert ticket stubs.
>
> So why doesn't each member of this list post scans or photocopies or
> whatever of the tickets for concerts they have attended? Surely as there
> are somewhere between 400-500 subscribers, we should be able to come up
with
> a large body of information proving that these concerts actually took
place
> and on a certain date.
>
> The objective of this exercise would be to add a link to each scan next to
> each date as a real proof that this concert really took place. The
ultimate
> concert database if you like.
>
> So how about it y'all?
>
> Paul
>
>
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>
>
>
From:
'michael_berling'
Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 5:48
pm
Subject: Re: Some TT2 remarks
Hi John,
--- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote:
> >Some errors I've found so far: On Volume 11 poor Steve is
misspelled
> >once again -- this time Joliffe instead of Jolliffe.
>
>
> Waitwaitwait. You mean he isn't Jollife with only one f?
>
> John Vertical
Well, I've seen all four variations so far, but the only correct
spelling is the luxury version including two l and two f...
Michael
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 6:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Some TT2 remarks
hmm. I thought it was Dzsólíf. Isn't he Hungarian?
;)
>Well, I've seen all four variations so far, but the only correct
>spelling is the luxury version including two l and two f...
>Michael
Gustavo Jobim
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 8:25
pm
Subject: TD concert ticket stubs
Paul,
great idea, just don't take the stubs as the sole, ultimate proof.
More than one concert has been moved on very, very short notice,
to another venue, or another date, with the original tickets
remaining valid.
So, the ultimate proof, should be a stub + eyewitness statement.
That is, second-hand , bought-at-fleamarkets stubs are just a
(whatever percentage below 100%) proof.
My own, personal experience here is Kraftwerk in Böblingen, 1982.
All the tickets, concert previews etc. say 'Sporthalle', but it
was moved, just by a sign at the entrance of the Sporthalle,
to Kongresshalle. Reason was obvious - less than 300 people
attended. Even some (obviously 'remote') concert reviews
in papers mentioned 'Sporthalle' as the venue ;-)
cheers,
klaus
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 8:25
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD concert ticket stubs
I will see if I can find my own.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Paul Fellows'
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 8:58 AM
Subject: [tadream] TD concert ticket stubs
> Hi all,
>
> An idea occurred to me today whilst looking through the files uploaded to
> the Tadream site.
>
> As a lot of you will know, I have a comprehensive list of concerts given
by
> TD on my site. There is often discussion on this list about the accuracy
of
> certain dates, which when you think about it is rather surprising because
> surely hundreds or even thousands of people must have been present at
pretty
> much every concert they gave after Phaedra made it into the UK charts. I
> don't know about you but I preciously guard my TD concert ticket stubs.
>
> So why doesn't each member of this list post scans or photocopies or
> whatever of the tickets for concerts they have attended? Surely as there
> are somewhere between 400-500 subscribers, we should be able to come up
with
> a large body of information proving that these concerts actually took
place
> and on a certain date.
>
> The objective of this exercise would be to add a link to each scan next to
> each date as a real proof that this concert really took place. The
ultimate
> concert database if you like.
>
> So how about it y'all?
>
> Paul
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 9:07
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #282
[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
Show #282 August 15, 2002.
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Hemisphere, a band from
Germany known for dark electronic ambient excursions. The Featured CD at
midnight was 'Inversion' on the Groove label.
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Shadows of Light' by the Nightcrawlers on
the Synkronos label.
Hemisphere http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#aug
PLAYLIST:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
The NightCrawlers In a Distant Corridor Shadows of Light (Synkronos)
The NightCrawlers Inerlude I Shadows of Light (Synkronos)
The NightCrawlers Glimmer Shadows of Light (Synkronos)
Rudy Adrian Kuiper Belt Starfields (Groove)
Navigator The Journey Oceanic Empire (Groove)
The Circular Ruins Echoes from Stone Part 2 Realm of Possibility
(Databloem)
Frank Van Bogaert Ballet Human (Groove)
Rudy Adrian Space Border Partol Starfields (Groove)
12:00 am
Hemisphere Psychodelic Friends Inversion (Groove)
Create
Hemisphere A New Point of View Inversion (Groove)
Hemisphere The Inversion of Mind Inversion (Groove)
Hemisphere It's a Way Shamans Go Inversion (Groove)
Hemisphere Singing the Crazy Inversion (Groove)
Hemisphere Song of Tranceformation Inversion (Groove)
Hemisphere Looking Deep Inside Inversion (Groove)
Hemisphere Tasting Nothingness Inversion (Groove)
Hemisphere There is No Secret Inversion (Groove)
Hemisphere Only Certitude That Inversion (Groove)
Hemisphere Black and White Belongs Inversion (Groove)
Together *
1:00 am
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Hemisphere. The
Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Now' on the Groove label.
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Bhakti Point' by Richard Burmer on
the Fortuna label.
Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic
Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am.
Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30.
http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow
Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiy.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!]
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 9:21
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD concert ticket stubs
'An Evening with Tangerine Dream'
Universal Amphitheatre
Thursday June 5, 1986 8:15 pm
Sec 15, row J seat 11
I also have the North American Tour Book. Has lots of interesting photos.
Paul, Chris, Edgar, Peter and Johannes collection from 1974 to 1986 line up.
Most notable to me are
Edgar and Chris leaning on each other title 'Blues Brothers' BW
Edgar with a picture of Marylyn Monroe in back ground called 'New York'
Color
Edgar in the Mojave desert near a sign that says no hunting, dress cowboy
style Color
Edgar at a Warsaw concert, which doesn't look cold Color
Edgar with Guitar in hand at Oxford Concert 1986 Color
There are more photos of the Oxford and Olympia Concert (Paris). From what I
remember, the set up there was similar to Universal. I think the Universal
was more cramped that the others.
There you go, still want scan of stub?
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Paul Fellows'
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 8:58 AM
Subject: [tadream] TD concert ticket stubs
> Hi all,
>
> An idea occurred to me today whilst looking through the files uploaded to
> the Tadream site.
>
> As a lot of you will know, I have a comprehensive list of concerts given
by
> TD on my site. There is often discussion on this list about the accuracy
of
> certain dates, which when you think about it is rather surprising because
> surely hundreds or even thousands of people must have been present at
pretty
> much every concert they gave after Phaedra made it into the UK charts. I
> don't know about you but I preciously guard my TD concert ticket stubs.
>
> So why doesn't each member of this list post scans or photocopies or
> whatever of the tickets for concerts they have attended? Surely as there
> are somewhere between 400-500 subscribers, we should be able to come up
with
> a large body of information proving that these concerts actually took
place
> and on a certain date.
>
> The objective of this exercise would be to add a link to each scan next to
> each date as a real proof that this concert really took place. The
ultimate
> concert database if you like.
>
> So how about it y'all?
>
> Paul
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
atye@a...
Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 11:09
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD concert ticket stubs
September 13, 1988
Center Stage Theater
Atlanta, GA
I also still have the T-Shirt (Optical Race running man), although it
immediately shrank to 60% of it's original size. I was sorta new to the TD
ranks and shoulda bought a LOT more at the souvenir table.
Here's a scan for the archives. I attended and the info is correct.
http://members.aol.com/atye/88\
_td_stub.jpg
I believe that I also have a small preview/review of the band from the
Atlanta paper. I'm sure it was the standard press release for the tour.
Enjoy,
ATYE
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From:
'E Neal Frost'
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 1:47
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1462
You can count me in as well. I still have my two ticket stubs from the
Sarasota AND Miami dates in 1988.
Neal
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:58:38 +0200
From: Paul Fellows
Subject: TD concert ticket stubs
Hi all,
An idea occurred to me today whilst looking through the files uploaded to
the Tadream site.
As a lot of you will know, I have a comprehensive list of concerts given by
TD on my site. There is often discussion on this list about the accuracy of
certain dates, which when you think about it is rather surprising because
surely hundreds or even thousands of people must have been present at pretty
much every concert they gave after Phaedra made it into the UK charts. I
don't know about you but I preciously guard my TD concert ticket stubs.
So why doesn't each member of this list post scans or photocopies or
whatever of the tickets for concerts they have attended? Surely as there
are somewhere between 400-500 subscribers, we should be able to come up with
a large body of information proving that these concerts actually took place
and on a certain date.
The objective of this exercise would be to add a link to each scan next to
each date as a real proof that this concert really took place. The ultimate
concert database if you like.
So how about it y'all?
Paul
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 5
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:03:23 -0700
From: 'Chris Owen'
Subject: Re: TD concert ticket stubs
Sounds like a good idea to me Paul. Wouldn't it be great if we could amass
at least one ticket from every single TD concert? It'd prove a great asset
to any concert archive. As a tour 'veteran' since UK 1986, count me in!
- Chris
From:
Marko Marin
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 7:44
am
Subject: [tadream] Re: Some TT2 remarks
Doesn anyone else hear some grazy fan going
'badam-badam-badam...' in Choronzon (Newcastle-version
if I remeber correctly)?
Regards,
Marko Marin
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 7:46
am
Subject: [tadream] Relationship btw Edgar and Chris
Most of you might have read this interview (can't
remeber where I downloaded it) but if you haven't,
here's the part I found interesting...
---
I: But the chemistry among you, even when the time of
being part of the group has ended, doesn't seem too
bad. Paul Haslinger for example gives his thanks
to you in his CD, and you have plans to release a CD
from Johannes Schmoelling on your label. There were
almost never any negative remarks about one another.
That is actually very rare among bands that exist for
such a long time.
EF: Of course there were also remarks that hurt me.
For example from Christoph Franke, whom I worked with
the longest time. That was when he stated for
economical reasons (and since he lives in LA you can
draw your own conclusions) that during the time we
worked together, I was the one to run the business and
he the one to play the music.
That really hits you, because a) it doesn't reflect
the truth and there are dozens of people who can
testify against that, and b) it is bad style to treat
one another like that. Those are things I believe
could have been dealt with more intelligently and more
sensitively.
I: But surely you can still have that 'cup of coffee'
together?
EF: The famous 'cup of coffee' yes, but in the case of
Christoph it probably woudn't be possible to have cake
as well.
I: But Christoph is not an unknown person in the area
of soundtracks. He doesn't have to put an 'Ex-TD!'
sticker on his records. Isn't that also more
a problem with the record companies?
EF: Well maybe, but people aren't stupid. For example
in an interview which I've read in the magazine
'Keys', he was asked how much he can compose
per day. And he said 'well, it used to be 3 minutes,
today it is about 6 minutes per day'. Roughly that is
how I read it. Now I ask myself: If someone composes
for 6 minutes per day, how can he come up with music
for 4 to 5 entire TV serials within a couple of
months? Ok, I don't want to say more about that. But
the same Christoph Franke accuses me to have
contracted too much work and that he could not work
under the stress anymore. Those are facts that can be
proven with evidence. So I am not talking nonsense
here, and I don't want to break his stride. But I also
refuse to be called names here. I was the one who
contracted the work, because he didn't have any money,
if you want to know the truth! For no other reason!
---
Regards,
Marko Marin
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 7:48
am
Subject: [tadream] About movies and music
I recently listened The Rock by Zimmer & Co., I got
curious again. What kind of movies and episodes from
different series give you the shivers? I mean the
combination of the music and the scenery. I have few
personal favourites:
Movies:
The Rock
Actually everything here gives me the shivers. The
main title sequence were the slow and sad theme is
played, the scene where they chase Mason in the
streets of San Fransisco, etc. The music is so damn
good. Without it the movie would suck big time.
Filmtracks (www.filmtracks.com) rated The Rock as one
of the overrated scores of the 90's. Well, I never
trusted their opinions anyway...
Terminator 2
The end where the last termintor is destroyed. The
main theme is played out loud and it's magnificent!
Mission: Impossible 2
In the scene where Ambrose shoots Hunt and founds out
that Hunt is actually one of his own men. I hate the
movie and the soundtrack for most parts but the choir
is great. Unfortunately the rest of the track is shit
with the roaring guitars which play the M:I-theme...
badly.
Jurassic Park
I believe I don't need to say anything. The brass
theme is wonderful!
The Abyss
The last scenes were Bud is taken into the world of
the aliens. The choir is very reflective and gives a
great impact together with the scene.
Series:
Babylon 5 Season 1: And The Sky Full Of Stars...
This whole episode is great as it introduces one of
the greatest themes in the series.
Babylon 5 Season 1: Chrysalis
The scene where Garibaldi warns Sinclair about the
assasination of the president, but it comes too late.
Again, it's all about the Requiem Of The Line.
Babylon 5 Season 3: Messages From Earth
As the Shadow Vessel wakes up, the screaming guitar
sounds great and brings more terror into the scene.
The Whitestar - chased by a Shadow Vessel - plunges
into the atmosphere of Jupiter. The male choir and the
guitar gives a great effect.
Babylon 5 Season 3: Z'ha'dum
The whole episodes is full drama and I don't need to
say which scene is the most dramatic...
Babylon 5 Season 5: Sleeping In Light
Again, I don't need to say anything if you've seen the
last episode of the series...
Regards,
Marko Marin
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From:
Marion Horrod
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 8:08
am
Subject: e-live / Kraftwerk
Is anyone going to e-live in Eindhoven on Sept 21st, or Kraftwerk in
Luxembourg on the 22nd and fancies meeting up before, during or after?
Hope to see you there
LnH
Marion
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 8:31
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Some TT2 remarks
>Doesn anyone else hear some grazy fan going
>'badam-badam-badam...' in Choronzon (Newcastle-version
>if I remeber correctly)?
I do, but I think it's the Paris version (the one with hand clapping too). I
think I even mentioned that in the review? Guess I didn't write it clearly
enough.
John Vertical
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 10:02
am
Subject: [tadream] Re: Some TT2 remarks
--- John Vertical wrote:
> I do, but I think it's the Paris version (the one
> with hand clapping too). I
> think I even mentioned that in the review? Guess I
> didn't write it clearly
> enough.
>
> John Vertical
I haven't got the time to read your review yet. My
school just started and my access to the web is
problematic and your review is so friggin' big!
Regards,
Marko Marin
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From:
'Michael Jean'
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 5:04
pm
Subject: Froese Solo
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=900426366
I noticed the above on EBAY today... This is the one that contains the
backwards Epsilon.
Regards,
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The Brookings Institution
1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20036-2188
TEL: (202)-797-6214
FAX: (202)-797-2479
EMAIL: mjean@b...
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From:
'Pete Dandy'
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 5:49
pm
Subject: Goblins Club
Hi
I just bought Goblins Club today and it lists The Vienna Boys Choir , two
Trombone players , The Buckminster Choir (complete with named conductors)
and a harpist !!!??? now if any of these performers are on this album then I
must be deaf !!!! I find this to be a little off key to be honest , I bought
it because I read the sleeve and thought they had been working with choirs
which I thought would be awesome ....but alas no !!!!! come on guys ...whats
the deal ???? did TD even write it or are they mis credited as well ?????
Pete
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 6:16
pm
Subject: Vienna Boys Choir
>I just bought Goblins Club today and it lists The Vienna Boys Choir , two
>Trombone players , The Buckminster Choir (complete with named conductors)
>and a harpist !!!??? now if any of these performers are on this album then I
>must be deaf !!!! I find this to be a little off key to be honest , I bought
>it because I read the sleeve and thought they had been working with choirs
>which I thought would be awesome ....but alas no !!!!! come on guys ...whats
>the deal ???? did TD even write it or are they mis credited as well ?????
>
>Pete
I have to agree.
The choir on some of the tracks is awful.
I had hoped when I looked at the credits that they would have recorded the
Vienna Boys Choir singing to a backing tape so that they would get all the
wonderful inflection and performance.
Instead, it seems they made samples of different notes and played it on an
ordinary keyboard.
Unfortunate.
-Morgan
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From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 6:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Vienna Boys Choir
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Morgan Feldon'
To:
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 7:16 PM
Subject: [tadream] Vienna Boys Choir
>
> I have to agree.
>
> The choir on some of the tracks is awful.
>
> I had hoped when I looked at the credits that they would have recorded the
> Vienna Boys Choir singing to a backing tape so that they would get all the
> wonderful inflection and performance.
>
> Instead, it seems they made samples of different notes and played it on an
> ordinary keyboard.
I`m afraid its not even that adventurous , the choir sound credited as the
Vienna Boys choir is a simple Korg choir preset as seen on the M1 and 01W ,
there is nothing remotley resembling a trombone though .
I presume Edgar was listing the original source of the presets ? which is
really quite a cheeky misleading thing to do IMO .
Paul
From:
Joe Shoults
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 6:31
pm
Subject: [Tree] TT trade terms - an offical stance
2002 August 19
Hi Folks!
The management of the Tree is an ongoing learning process. As loose as we
would like to be with policies, as we go forward it becomes apparent that
guidelines need to be set to establish a 'baseline' of expectations for our
participants in Tangerine Tree activities.
The issue du jour is the question of compensation for branches.
I want to be perfectly clear about what the HARDFAST OFFICIAL Tangerine Tree
policy is on trade compensation:
The spirit of the Tangerine Tree is that people put in their time and effort
out of generosity, camaraderie and on a non-profit basis. This means
trading disks for disks, either 2:1 for blanks or 1:1 for content - or, if a
leaf doesn't want to send disks, never should a branch charge anything more
than B&P. B&P means the postage cost to send the disks, plus the cost of
double the blanks used (as if it were a 2:1 trade for blanks). That's it!
We're CERTAINLY not saying that people cannot have their own agreements
between themselves, but the above is the 'official' policy of the Tangerine
Tree. This is what someone should expect when they sign up for the Tree.
It certainly is OK for a branch to say:
'Look, I've got all the blanks I need, I don't want any more, Mr. Leaf,
just pay me MY COST 2:1 for the CDRs I'm sending you, plus postage.'
or:
'I only trade with Brand X CDRs, Mr. Leaf. Please only send me blanks of
Brand X or just send B&P.'
Ultimately, if an agreement cannot be reached (!), the Tree Managers will
reassign the leaf to another branch. Just let us know at
mailto:tadream-owner@y...
Thank you to each and every one of you for your participation in the Tree!
We've got a fantastic thing going here because of your generosity.
Sincerely,
Joe Shoults
From:
'tei waz'
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 7:39
pm
Subject: re: TD concert ticket stubs
>The objective of this exercise would be to add a link to each scan next to
each date as a real proof that this concert really took place. The ultimate
concert database if you like.<
if it were only that simple--then I could have seen the US 2001 and US 2002
TD tours bymerely possessing the ticket stubs--I still have the tickets
from concerts from both tours which did not happen. And I have my ticket
stub from the 1986 music in the movies extravaganza (warfield november 1986)
which makes no mention of TD's performance that night on the stub nor of any
of the myriad of other performers....
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From:
'Chris Owen'
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 4:00
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] re: TD concert ticket stubs
Maybe we could also start a database of concerts that DIDN'T happen!
- Chris
> if it were only that simple--then I could have seen the US 2001 and US
2002
> TD tours bymerely possessing the ticket stubs--I still have the tickets
> from concerts from both tours which did not happen. And I have my ticket
> stub from the 1986 music in the movies extravaganza (warfield november
1986)
> which makes no mention of TD's performance that night on the stub nor of
any
> of the myriad of other performers....
>
> --T
From:
'dreamsector'
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 8:10
pm
Subject: official td car
Thought everyone might get a tickle out of this... I'm heading off to
the car dealer...
http://www.suntimes.com/output/auto/car-news-fill19.html
I hope this link works.
Basically... new PT Cruiser: Tangerine Dream edition!
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 8:13
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] re: TD concert ticket stubs
One might need to use Oracle for that database....
;-)
rrrr r r r r still be thinking about the time I bought some tickets and it
was canceled, then took months to get refund... rrr r r r rme eye twictchs a
bit over this still....
Maybe if I share some of me booty with Edgar there, he come over and play...
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Chris Owen'
To:
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [tadream] re: TD concert ticket stubs
> Maybe we could also start a database of concerts that DIDN'T happen!
>
> - Chris
>
>
>
> > if it were only that simple--then I could have seen the US 2001 and US
> 2002
> > TD tours bymerely possessing the ticket stubs--I still have the tickets
> > from concerts from both tours which did not happen. And I have my
ticket
> > stub from the 1986 music in the movies extravaganza (warfield november
> 1986)
> > which makes no mention of TD's performance that night on the stub nor of
> any
> > of the myriad of other performers....
> >
> > --T
>
>
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 8:56
pm
Subject: Paul Fellows' website
Paul Fellows' website started with the Voices in the Dunes concert listings
and went from there, adding new dates, correcting venues and dates, etc.
all based on eyewitness accounts and ticket stubs. To my limited knowledge
(I have tried to catch up on 32 years of TD history in 3), Paul's concert
listing is one of the most accurate around for listing concerts that did
and did not happen.
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/concertdates.html
Really, the years which may still have some mystery surrounding them are
1970-1978 and 1983. It is amazing how little information there is about the
1983 Germany-Poland tour. Just a few months back, Johannes Schmoelling
procured a ticket stub on his website to a show which had never been on the
publicly circulating TD concert lists. Look at all the purple text in the
listings to see just how many things have changed in the last year.
-Morgan
>Maybe we could also start a database of concerts that DIDN'T happen!
>
>- Chris
>
>
>
> > if it were only that simple--then I could have seen the US 2001 and US
>2002
> > TD tours bymerely possessing the ticket stubs--I still have the tickets
> > from concerts from both tours which did not happen. And I have my ticket
> > stub from the 1986 music in the movies extravaganza (warfield november
>1986)
> > which makes no mention of TD's performance that night on the stub nor of
>any
> > of the myriad of other performers....
> >
> > --T
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 9:05
pm
Subject: minutes per day
You know (in case this isn't obvious), I truly believe that composing for six
minutes a day quote was misunderstood by EF - as he is quoted.
I honestly think the three minutes and six minutes is really referring to
minutes of finished music per day.
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 9:20
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] minutes per day
finished music?
quality, quantity, just when is the art finished?
I am not sure what was meant either by the time reference. I seen times when
one goes for day's composing, laying down tracks... is this time reference a
average perhaps?
We will just have to wait for more clarifications...
dale
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Subject: [tadream] minutes per day
> You know (in case this isn't obvious), I truly believe that composing for
six minutes a day quote was misunderstood by EF - as he is quoted.
>
> I honestly think the three minutes and six minutes is really referring to
minutes of finished music per day.
>
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From:
'mikebrowder'
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 11:46
pm
Subject: Liverpool 1975
Wondering what other people think of this show? I'm listening to it again, and
I think in parts it rivals Croyden from the same year. Haven't heard it
discussed much. But then again, I miss a lot.
mike
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 1:12
am
Subject: Liverpool 1975
>From: 'mikebrowder'
>Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 6:46 pm
>Subject: Liverpool 1975
>
>Wondering what other people think of this show? I'm listening to it again, and
>I think in parts it rivals Croyden from the same year. Haven't heard it
>discussed much. But then again, I miss a lot.
>
>mike
My tape of this is very poor but I will take a shot at it tonight and
provide my opinion.
-Morgan
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From:
Robert Grabowsky
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 2:42
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Froese Solo
It is not Epsion which is backwards. It is Marouba Bay(sp?) anyway,
it sounds good backwards too. I have it recorded to CD.
THE HIGHLANDER
At 01:04 PM 8/19/02 -0400, you wrote:
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=900426366
>
>I noticed the above on EBAY today... This is the one that contains the
>backwards Epsilon.
>
>Regards,
>
>
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 8:49
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Liverpool 1975
>Wondering what other people think of this show? I'm listening to it again,
>and I think in parts it rivals Croyden from the same year. Haven't heard it
>discussed much. But then again, I miss a lot.
>
>mike
There will probably be more discussion about various live shows soon, due to
the Tangerine Tree...
I only have 3 1975 shows: TTs 7 & 9 and the Pop'd Orange festival show so I
can't comment on it.
You could also try raising the subject at Morgan's 'Unheard TD' forums:
www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/forums/index.php
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From:
'Dennis Nigbur'
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 8:59
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] minutes per day
I think that's the way in which it was presented in the interview in
question, too. Edgar was probably going 'below the belt' a bit on this
occasion, after being understandably upset about Chris' comment
regarding his musical input into TD.
Dennis
On 19 Aug 2002 at 17:05, Liondream@a... wrote:
> You know (in case this isn't obvious), I truly believe that composing
> for six minutes a day quote was misunderstood by EF - as he is quoted.
>
> I honestly think the three minutes and six minutes is really referring
> to minutes of finished music per day.
>
>
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From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 8:58
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Vienna Boys Choir
> >I just bought Goblins Club today and it lists The Vienna Boys Choir , two
> >Trombone players , The Buckminster Choir (complete with named conductors)
> >and a harpist !!!??? now if any of these performers are on this album
>then I
> >must be deaf !!!! I find this to be a little off key to be honest , I
>bought
> >it because I read the sleeve and thought they had been working with
>choirs
> >which I thought would be awesome ....but alas no !!!!! come on guys
>...whats
> >the deal ???? did TD even write it or are they mis credited as well ?????
> >
> >Pete
>
>I have to agree.
>
>The choir on some of the tracks is awful.
>
>I had hoped when I looked at the credits that they would have recorded the
>Vienna Boys Choir singing to a backing tape so that they would get all the
>wonderful inflection and performance.
>
>Instead, it seems they made samples of different notes and played it on an
>ordinary keyboard.
>
>Unfortunate.
>
>-Morgan
I don't think it's awful, just unimpressively basic.. But can you imagine
what it would have been like if they had used a Mellotron choir...? :D
John Vertical
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 10:26
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Vienna Boys Choir
In a message dated 8/20/2002 1:58:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
johnvertical@h... writes:
> I don't think it's awful, just unimpressively basic.. But can you imagine
> what it would have been like if they had used a Mellotron choir...? :D
>
> John Vertical
>
*Yes, it would have automatically been better.
Poly
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 10:47
am
Subject: Fan meeting at Burg Nideggen Saturday, August 24th
To everyone who is attending TD's second 'Inferno' gig at Burg Nideggen
this Saturday: why not meet for a drink & chat before the start of the
concert (9 pm). My wife and I will be eating in one of the restaurants
(either in the 'Kaiserzimmer', or on the terrace..depends on the
weather). You can have a look at the menu card here (only in German
language): 'http://burg-nideggen.de/content/4207.html' We will be there
at around 6.30 pm. Be there or be square :-)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
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auf Deutsch:
Meine Frau und ich werden um ca. 17.30 Uhr in der Burg 'zu Abend
speisen' (bei diesen Preisen ist vornehme Wortwahl angebracht ;-) Bei
gutem Wetter kann man auch draußen auf der Terrasse sitzen, ansonsten
sitzen wir im 'Kaiserzimmer' (es gibt dort mehrere Restaurants) . Wer
mag kann sich uns anschließen, eventuell wird so ja ein kleines
Fan-Meeting daraus (ich habe ein paar Leuten auch noch diverse TD-Sachen
zu überreichen, wäre also ein guter Ort dafür). Ach ja, die Speisekarte!
:
http://burg-nideggen.de/content/4207.html
Bis dann,
Heiko & Anja
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 11:07
am
Subject: [tadream] Re: Vienna Boys Choir
--- Synthhtnys@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 8/20/2002 1:58:46 AM Pacific
> Daylight Time,
> johnvertical@h... writes:
>
> > I don't think it's awful, just unimpressively
> basic.. But can you imagine
> > what it would have been like if they had used a
> Mellotron choir...? :D
> >
> > John Vertical
> >
> *Yes, it would have automatically been better.
> Poly
Indeed.
Regards,
Marko Marin
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From:
'Paul Lawler'
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 11:51
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Vienna Boys Choir
how would Edgar feel if I used one of the samples from the'XX Large Analogue
Dreams' sample library which has actual chords (as an instrument) from the
Logos and Poland albums , and I put Tangerine Dream in the credits ?
Same thing !
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Marko Marin'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:07 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Vienna Boys Choir
>
> --- Synthhtnys@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 8/20/2002 1:58:46 AM Pacific
> > Daylight Time,
> > johnvertical@h... writes:
> >
> > > I don't think it's awful, just unimpressively
> > basic.. But can you imagine
> > > what it would have been like if they had used a
> > Mellotron choir...? :D
> > >
> > > John Vertical
> > >
> > *Yes, it would have automatically been better.
> > Poly
>
> Indeed.
>
> Regards,
> Marko Marin
>
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Marko Marin
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 12:02
pm
Subject: [tadream] Re: Vienna Boys Choir
--- Paul Lawler wrote:
> how would Edgar feel if I used one of the samples
> from the'XX Large Analogue
> Dreams' sample library which has actual chords (as
> an instrument) from the
> Logos and Poland albums , and I put Tangerine Dream
> in the credits ?
> Same thing !
>
> Paul
Good point.
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 12:32
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Fan meeting at Burg Nideggen Saturday, August 24th
> auf Deutsch:
>
> Meine Frau und ich werden um ca. 17.30 Uhr in der Burg 'zu Abend
> speisen' (bei diesen Preisen ist vornehme Wortwahl angebracht ;-)
ich meinte natürlich *18.30 Uhr*, sorry!
Heiko
From:
'heineu'
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 1:39
pm
Subject: Re: Fan meeting at Burg Nideggen Saturday, August 24th
hello all,
the other Heiko (Heiko Neumann - Mr. Optical) will also come to the
Fan-Meeting on Saterday, I am also at the Friday Concert.
See you all.
Heiko - mr. Optical
http://www.opticaldream.de
--- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> To everyone who is attending TD's second 'Inferno' gig at Burg
Nideggen
> this Saturday: why not meet for a drink & chat before the start of
the
> concert (9 pm). My wife and I will be eating in one of the
restaurants
> (either in the 'Kaiserzimmer', or on the terrace..depends on the
> weather). You can have a look at the menu card here (only in German
> language): 'http://burg-nideggen.de/content/4207.html' We will be
there
> at around 6.30 pm. Be there or be square :-)
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------
>
> auf Deutsch:
>
> Meine Frau und ich werden um ca. 17.30 Uhr in der Burg 'zu Abend
> speisen' (bei diesen Preisen ist vornehme Wortwahl angebracht ;-)
Bei
> gutem Wetter kann man auch draußen auf der Terrasse sitzen,
ansonsten
> sitzen wir im 'Kaiserzimmer' (es gibt dort mehrere Restaurants) .
Wer
> mag kann sich uns anschließen, eventuell wird so ja ein kleines
> Fan-Meeting daraus (ich habe ein paar Leuten auch noch diverse TD-
Sachen
> zu überreichen, wäre also ein guter Ort dafür). Ach ja, die
Speisekarte!
> :
> http://burg-nideggen.de/content/4207.html
>
> Bis dann,
> Heiko & Anja
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 5:08
pm
Subject: pre-concert meeting in Nideggen
Hi all,
it looks like I'm going to make it for the Saturday 'Inferno' show
this weekend. I'll arrive by train in Cologne around 14:30, and
will take a rental car from there.
Sunday late morning I'll drive up north to Nijmegen.
Anybody in need of a ride on any of the legs of my journey, or wanting
to meet before the show, please contact me off-list.
cheers,
klaus
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 5:08
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] pre-concert meeting in Nideggen
I envy you guys being able to attend. Please pass info back to us.
I am not sure about the music however, what I heard so far off the new web
site just wasn't in my veins.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Klaus Beschorner'
To: 'tadream list (mod)'
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 10:08 AM
Subject: [tadream] pre-concert meeting in Nideggen
>
> Hi all,
>
> it looks like I'm going to make it for the Saturday 'Inferno' show
> this weekend. I'll arrive by train in Cologne around 14:30, and
> will take a rental car from there.
> Sunday late morning I'll drive up north to Nijmegen.
> Anybody in need of a ride on any of the legs of my journey, or wanting
> to meet before the show, please contact me off-list.
>
> cheers,
> klaus
>
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 5:24
pm
Subject: Atten: Martin Kasprzak
Followed one of your links off the new site.
http://www.fernandesguitars.com/guitars/revolver.html . Should the wife the
Revolver Pro at the closest store. Was on sale but green. She liked the way
it played. So she talked to her friend there and he manage to find the same
one in Black for her at the same price. He had them on sale. $450.00. So she
ordered it.
Looks like I am adding one of these bad boys to our collection. I hope to
use this other than straight guitar to feed a few synths. The sustainer seem
to be a lot easier to use than the e-bow, which I will use anyway with it.
Thanks for the link.
dale
From:
Liondream@a...
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 8:27
pm
Subject: Fernandes...
Steve Hackett plays one of these bad boys too, I think.
At any rate... would you mind sharing the name of that store? Green sounds
cool!!!
<<
Subject: Atten: Martin Kasprzak
Followed one of your links off the new site.
http://www.fernandesguitars.com/guitars/revolver.html . Should the wife the
Revolver Pro at the closest store. Was on sale but green. She liked the way
it played. So she talked to her friend there and he manage to find the same
one in Black for her at the same price. He had them on sale. $450.00. So she
ordered it.
Looks like I am adding one of these bad boys to our collection. I hope to
use this other than straight guitar to feed a few synths. The sustainer seem
to be a lot easier to use than the e-bow, which I will use anyway with it.
Thanks for the link.
dale>>>
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 8:33
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Fernandes...
silly hooman
where do I live?
dale
check off post mail soon
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 1:27 PM
Subject: [tadream] Fernandes...
> Steve Hackett plays one of these bad boys too, I think.
>
> At any rate... would you mind sharing the name of that store? Green sounds
cool!!!
>
>
> << Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:24:27 -0700
> From: 'Administrator'
> Subject: Atten: Martin Kasprzak
>
> Followed one of your links off the new site.
> http://www.fernandesguitars.com/guitars/revolver.html . Should the wife
the
> Revolver Pro at the closest store. Was on sale but green. She liked the
way
> it played. So she talked to her friend there and he manage to find the
same
> one in Black for her at the same price. He had them on sale. $450.00. So
she
> ordered it.
> Looks like I am adding one of these bad boys to our collection. I hope
to
> use this other than straight guitar to feed a few synths. The sustainer
seem
> to be a lot easier to use than the e-bow, which I will use anyway with
it.
>
> Thanks for the link.
>
> dale>>>
>
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From:
Felna Greymane
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 8:46
pm
Subject: Email address change
Sorry for spam, but for those interested, I am moving, so am losing my
Roadrunner account (going from cable back to dial up........NO!!!!!). I am
moving out to a rural area so there is no high speed coverage unfortunately.
After today I will no longer be checking the kc.rr.com address so please
change your listings for me (also in the tree distribution if it's not done
systemically) to
greymane@g...
As we are physically doing most the move ourselves this weekend, I will be
likely offline until the middle/end of next week.
Thanks!
Jeff Stevenson
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From:
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Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 8:52
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Email address change
Try satellite, you might have access in your area.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Felna Greymane'
To: 'Tangerine Dream List Serv' ; 'Tangerine
Dream'
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 1:46 PM
Subject: [tadream] Email address change
> Sorry for spam, but for those interested, I am moving, so am losing my
> Roadrunner account (going from cable back to dial up........NO!!!!!). I
am
> moving out to a rural area so there is no high speed coverage
unfortunately.
>
> After today I will no longer be checking the kc.rr.com address so please
> change your listings for me (also in the tree distribution if it's not
done
> systemically) to
>
> greymane@g...
>
> As we are physically doing most the move ourselves this weekend, I will be
> likely offline until the middle/end of next week.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeff Stevenson
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Tue Aug 20, 2002 10:39
pm
Subject: Edgar's 'Beyond the Storm'
Notice that this getting a lot of play on msn radio, Wind and Water lately.
Do you think this recent play is a prelude to a concert?
dale
From:
chris towers
Date: Wed Aug 21, 2002 1:48
pm
Subject: SORRY!!!!!
Hi all, this is a sincere apology to all those who
have been trying to contact me regarding getting the
TT2 Cds from me as their supplier.
My computer went AWOL and CD Burner went with it so
unfortunately been out of action for a while.
All those who i am to supply (if you already havnt
been allocated to someone else) pop me a line and ill
get the ball rolling for you all.
You can get me at ----cjtt999fire@a...
Again a big sorry to you all and hope i can get the
TT2 to you as soon as poss.
Thanks
Chris Towers
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Wed Aug 21, 2002 7:23
pm
Subject: Re: pre-concert meeting in Nideggen
>I envy you guys being able to attend. Please pass info back to us.
>I am not sure about the music however, what I heard so far off the new
>web site just wasn't in my veins.
Ah, well, who cares about the _music_ ? ;-) ;-) ;-)
cheers,
klaus
From:
'Administrator'
Date: Wed Aug 21, 2002 7:51
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: pre-concert meeting in Nideggen
I been re-digging Edgar's Solos since I found a radio station that plays his
albums. Seems the second time around listening to them is growing on me.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Klaus Beschorner'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 12:23 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: pre-concert meeting in Nideggen
> >I envy you guys being able to attend. Please pass info back to us.
> >I am not sure about the music however, what I heard so far off the new
> >web site just wasn't in my veins.
>
> Ah, well, who cares about the _music_ ? ;-) ;-) ;-)
>
> cheers,
> klaus
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
From:
gmroger@p...
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 10:42
am
Subject: Been on lurk mode for too long
Hi guys,
Sorry not to have written to the groups for a while - I'm been without a
computer for a while and only had time to read the messages when visiting
Internet cafes etc, so not had the chance to talk about TT2, the forums etc.
Now, I belive Jacek is my branch on the TT, but I'm over here in the UK at the
moment so I will have to wait until I return to Poland before I get my chance
to listen to the next set of Tangerine Trees.
Jacek, can you let me have your e-mail address off-list so I can write to you
regards the arrangements for my discs?
Cheers
Roger Hartopp
From:
'Peter Ravn'
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 11:03
am
Subject: OT: AERO concert radio broadcasted
Hi,
Some off topic news:
The Jean Michel Jarre concert 7.9.02 - AERO - http://aero.tv2.dk - will
be broadcasted direct on danish radio P3 - netstream:
http://www.dr.dk/p3/lyt.htm
the concert will also be spread to the European radio network and broadcasted
on other stations throughout Europe....
The whole concert will be shown on danish TV station TV2 Zulu on sep. 16
- their website http://zulu.tv2.dk
Highligths of the concert will be shown on danish TV2 sep. 14.
Concert will also be netstreamet direct from the AERO website (see first
link)
Back to deep sleep mode....
Regards,
Peter
Peter Ravn
pr@r... & peter@r...
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 11:27
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: AERO concert radio broadcasted
> Back to deep sleep mode....
it seems the whole Tadream list is sleeping right now...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
what about a new poll: name your top 5 TD lullaby tracks.
My votes:
1.) Midwinter night
2.) Sequent 'C'
3.) The big sleep in search of Hades
4.) Breathing the night away
5.) Zeit
:-)
Heiko
From:
'John Vertical'
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 4:26
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] sleeping
> > Back to deep sleep mode....
>
>it seems the whole Tadream list is sleeping right
>now...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
>what about a new poll: name your top 5 TD lullaby tracks.
>My votes:
>
>1.) Midwinter night
>2.) Sequent 'C'
>3.) The big sleep in search of Hades
>4.) Breathing the night away
>5.) Zeit
>
>:-)
>Heiko
Hmmmm...
In no particular order:
1. Remote Viewing
2. Alpha Centauri
3. Long Island Sunset
4. Soundmill Navigator
5. Ricochet Part II
and as a bonus track... Departure from the Northern Wasteland. (Even though
it's by Michael Hoening, I _must_list this too... it gets about as many
night-plays as these TD tracks altogether)
John Vertical
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From:
René Brenner
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 4:43
pm
Subject: Tangerine Dream Online Encyclopedia for Beginners
Hello,
Another online discography with one of the most elaborate and longest reviews
of all TD albums is available at:
http://dieeigerwand.brinkster.net/tangerinedream.html
Each album reviewed by two writers in great details, a rather interesting
approach!
René
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From:
Richard
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 5:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: AERO concert radio broadcasted
I have a friend with a motorised dish, etc. Is this TV channel and radio
channel transmitted on any satellite. If so, I may be able to get him to
record it.
cheers
>Hi,
>
>Some off topic news:
>
>The Jean Michel Jarre concert 7.9.02 - AERO - http://aero.tv2.dk - will
>be broadcasted direct on danish radio P3 - netstream:
>http://www.dr.dk/p3/lyt.htm
> the concert will also be spread to the European radio network and broadcasted
>on other stations throughout Europe....
>
>The whole concert will be shown on danish TV station TV2 Zulu on sep. 16
>- their website http://zulu.tv2.dk
>
>Highligths of the concert will be shown on danish TV2 sep. 14.
>
>Concert will also be netstreamet direct from the AERO website (see first
>link)
>
>Back to deep sleep mode....
>
>Regards,
>Peter
>Peter Ravn
>pr@r... & peter@r...
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------_-
>To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>----------------------------------------------------_-
>Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
>http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
>Tangerine Tree info at
>http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
--
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From:
'Administrator'
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 5:01
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] sleeping
maybe
maybe busy working on music
maybe in shock listening to inferno
maybe in a nightmare state
maybe in a dream state
maybe vacation
maybe xxx
dale
From:
'Jim Moore'
Date: Fri Aug 23, 2002 2:42
am
Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Online Encyclopedia for Beginners
This is very good! I'm going to tuck this URL away for the slow pace of
a Friday afternoon at work! Thanks for the post!
-----Original Message-----
From: René Brenner [mailto:rene.brenner@f...]
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:43 PM
To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Online Encyclopedia for Beginners
Hello,
Another online discography with one of the most elaborate and longest
reviews of all TD albums is available at:
http://dieeigerwand.brinkster.net/tangerinedream.html
Each album reviewed by two writers in great details, a rather
interesting approach!
René
From:
'richter_arne'
Date: Fri Aug 23, 2002 8:54
am
Subject: Re: OT: AERO concert radio broadcasted
--- In tadream@y..., Richard wrote:
> I have a friend with a motorised dish, etc. Is this TV channel and
radio
> channel transmitted on any satellite. If so, I may be able to get
him to record
The TV channel 'TV 2 ZULU' transmits over Satellite in both analogue
and digital. Unfortunately both are encrypted!
The digital transmission is on Thor II at 0.8 degrees West, and also
on INTELSAT 707 at 1 degree West, both encrypted in CONAX (which is
bad, as CONAX is one of the few encryption systems that are currently
not hacked). The analogue transmission is on Thor III, also at 0.8
degrees West, encrypted in Eurocrypt S2 and in D2-MAC Format. In the
UK you need a medium to large dish as the beam is directly heading
towards Scandinavia.
So I think you can forget it, as your friend most likely will not be
able to decode the Conax or D2-MAC Eurocrypt 2.
You will have better luck with the danish radio station, D3 P3 sits
on Thor II and Intelsat 707 and transmitts digitally unencrypted
(DVB). And they have yet another digital transmission on Sirius 3 at
5 degrees East, also DVB unencrypted. Should be no problem getting
those.
Good luck,
Arne
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Fri Aug 23, 2002 12:51
pm
Subject: Rainbow drive & TD tribute CD: fiction or reality
A couple of months ago I heard rumours about a possible CD release of
'Rainbow drive', an as yet unreleased TD soundtrack recording composed
in 1990 (maybe on Silva Screen or a similar label?)
I also remember that there was talk about a Tangerine Dream tribute
album which should be made up of cover songs sung by more or less
well-known artists. My memory about these two planned releases -or the
origin of these rumours- is a bit blurred, but I know that these topics
have been discussed on the Tadream list. Can anyone give an update about
a possible (or impossible ;-) release of these two cd's?
Heiko
From:
'Michael Jean'
Date: Fri Aug 23, 2002 12:58
pm
Subject: Rudy Adrian
Rudy Adrian: Live in Philadelphia
Rudy Adrian makes his stateside concert debut on Saturday 21
September 2002 at 8:00pm in the church sanctuary of St. Mary's
Hamilton Village, 3916 Locust Walk on the Penn campus in
University City, Philadelphia, PA. For complete details, including
directions and info on advance tickets, access:
http://www.thegatherings.org
Following the concert: tune in to the 09.22.02 broadcast of
STAR'S END for a live-on air radio concert with Rudy Adrian.
Anyone plan on attending this one?
Regards,
Michael A. Jean
The Brookings Institution
1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20036-2188
TEL: (202)-797-6214
FAX: (202)-797-2479
EMAIL: mjean@b...
http://www.brookings.edu
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Fri Aug 23, 2002 2:40
pm
Subject: Tangerine Ambience 1 + 2: A Tribute to Tangerine Dream
>Heiko Heerssen said:
>
>A couple of months ago I heard rumours about a possible CD release of
>'Rainbow drive', an as yet unreleased TD soundtrack recording composed
>in 1990 (maybe on Silva Screen or a similar label?)
>I also remember that there was talk about a Tangerine Dream tribute
>album which should be made up of cover songs sung by more or less
>well-known artists. My memory about these two planned releases -or the
>origin of these rumours- is a bit blurred, but I know that these topics
>have been discussed on the Tadream list. Can anyone give an update about
>a possible (or impossible ;-) release of these two cd's?
There were actually 2 tribute albums to Tangerine Dream. I think it's great
stuff but others have given harsh opinions about it. It certainly seems to
be a polarizing event when others try to recreate or remix beloved songs we
know front-and-back.
Paul's website has tracklistings and cover art:
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/ambience1.html
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/ambience2.html
-Morgan
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From:
Vince LeGrand
Date: Fri Aug 23, 2002 3:28
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Rudy Adrian
Hi Michael,
I'll definitely be there.
The entire fall Gatherings schedule is looking great! Rudy Adrian in
September, Mike Griffin/Dave Fulton in October, and Manuel Gottsching in
November. :-))
Vince
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Michael Jean'
To:
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 8:58 AM
Subject: [tadream] Rudy Adrian
> Rudy Adrian: Live in Philadelphia
>
> Rudy Adrian makes his stateside concert debut on Saturday 21
> September 2002 at 8:00pm in the church sanctuary of St. Mary's
> Hamilton Village, 3916 Locust Walk on the Penn campus in
> University City, Philadelphia, PA. For complete details, including
> directions and info on advance tickets, access:
> http://www.thegatherings.org
>
> Following the concert: tune in to the 09.22.02 broadcast of
> STAR'S END for a live-on air radio concert with Rudy Adrian.
>
>
> Anyone plan on attending this one?
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Michael A. Jean
> The Brookings Institution
> 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W.
> Washington, DC 20036-2188
>
> TEL: (202)-797-6214
> FAX: (202)-797-2479
> EMAIL: mjean@b...
> http://www.brookings.edu
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------_-
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> ----------------------------------------------------_-
> Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
> http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
> Tangerine Tree info at
> http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
From:
Richard
Date: Fri Aug 23, 2002 4:07
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: OT: AERO concert radio broadcasted
Thank you for the very concise information. Have had a word with him,
and he 'MIGHT' be able to decode the D2MAC channel. Fingers crossed.
Cheers
>The TV channel 'TV 2 ZULU' transmits over Satellite in both analogue
>and digital. Unfortunately both are encrypted!
>
>The digital transmission is on Thor II at 0.8 degrees West, and also
>on INTELSAT 707 at 1 degree West, both encrypted in CONAX (which is
>bad, as CONAX is one of the few encryption systems that are currently
>not hacked). The analogue transmission is on Thor III, also at 0.8
>degrees West, encrypted in Eurocrypt S2 and in D2-MAC Format. In the
>UK you need a medium to large dish as the beam is directly heading
>towards Scandinavia.
>
>So I think you can forget it, as your friend most likely will not be
>able to decode the Conax or D2-MAC Eurocrypt 2.
>
>You will have better luck with the danish radio station, D3 P3 sits
>on Thor II and Intelsat 707 and transmitts digitally unencrypted
>(DVB). And they have yet another digital transmission on Sirius 3 at
>5 degrees East, also DVB unencrypted. Should be no problem getting
>those.
>
>Good luck,
>
>Arne
>
>
>
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------_-
>To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>----------------------------------------------------_-
>Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at
>http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/
>
>Tangerine Tree info at
>http://www.tadream.net/tree
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
--
Richard F
From:
'convention24'
Date: Fri Aug 23, 2002 8:37
pm
Subject: Re: Fan meeting at Burg Nideggen Saturday, August 24th
--- In tadream@y..., 'heineu' wrote:
> hello all,
>
> the other Heiko (Heiko Neumann - Mr. Optical) will also come to the
> Fan-Meeting on Saterday, I am also at the Friday Concert.
>
> See you all.
>
> Heiko - mr. Optical
> http://www.opticaldream.de
>
>
> --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote:
> > To everyone who is attending TD's second 'Inferno' gig at Burg
> Nideggen
> > this Saturday: why not meet for a drink & chat before the start
of
> the
> > concert (9 pm). My wife and I will be eating in one of the
> restaurants
> > (either in the 'Kaiserzimmer', or on the terrace..depends on the
> > weather). You can have a look at the menu card here (only in
German
> > language): 'http://burg-nideggen.de/content/4207.html' We will be
> there
> > at around 6.30 pm. Be there or be square :-)
Have a great time chaps,WISH I WAS THERE.Tangerine Dream,I Loves em.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> -----------------------------------
> >
> > auf Deutsch:
> >
> > Meine Frau und ich werden um ca. 17.30 Uhr in der Burg 'zu Abend
> > speisen' (bei diesen Preisen ist vornehme Wortwahl angebracht ;-)
> Bei
> > gutem Wetter kann man auch draußen auf der Terrasse sitzen,
> ansonsten
> > sitzen wir im 'Kaiserzimmer' (es gibt dort mehrere Restaurants) .
> Wer
> > mag kann sich uns anschließen, eventuell wird so ja ein kleines
> > Fan-Meeting daraus (ich habe ein paar Leuten auch noch diverse TD-
> Sachen
> > zu überreichen, wäre also ein guter Ort dafür). Ach ja, die
> Speisekarte!
> > :
> > http://burg-nideggen.de/content/4207.html
> >
> > Bis dann,
> > Heiko & Anja
From:
'Adele Outland'
Date: Sat Aug 24, 2002 2:08
am
Subject: Re: [tadream]Self-referential music
I guess this isn't too old that I can still reply:
I'm not exactly sure what self-referential means but I think I see where
you're going with the argument and I agree with it. Let me see if I can put
it in perspective from my point of view and perhaps you will see if I truly
do understand or not.
Listening to later compositions of TD can bring picture stories to my mind
but they usually will hinge on the song title. For example: Two Bobcats in
the Sun: well, I laugh at the antics of the two kittens wrestling with each
other on the hillside while their mother calmly looks on. TD has entitled
this music thus and this is what you will see.
In contrast, earlier 70's music was experimental, free flowing, and
non-titled. Therefore, your visions and mine to the same music may be
totally different, but totally satisfying to each of us even if we tell the
other what we see. For example: Mojave Plan is a housing project to me, but
a shoot em up Western to another, and we both can share these different
stories and visualize them without the music being spoiled. Self-referential
meaning the music stands on its own without any specific reference to the
outside world. It could as easily be seen as a trip through space or
Disneyland or whatever. 8-Dell
All IMO of course.
NP: Parallel Dreams forever
>From: 'Dennis Nigbur'
>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>To: tadream@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [tadream] ambient soundz
>Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:10:32 +0100
>
>On 6 Aug 2002 at 12:34, Adele Outland wrote:
>
> > list and I'll see if I can dig it out of a floppy somewhere. I find no
> > lack of visions in many of the later releases, but that's just me.
> > 8-Dell
>
>I'd be inclined to agree, Dell. I'm not a fan of the late Melrose/early
>Seattle years, but on a purely intuitive level (struggling to define more
>operationally what 'vision' means) I think that 'Turn of the Tides',
>'Goblins' Club', 'Oasis', 'Mars Polaris' and 'Seven Letters' are all
>visionary, whatever you make of their compositional accomplishment.
>
>I think Marion makes an interesting point, though, about TD's music
>becoming more self-referential and less directly evocative of the world
>around. Samples of horse whinnying and concepts of Transsibirian
>railways aside, my guess is that the gradual move from moody and
>experimental chord-playing to more classically composed and notated
>music does indeed make the end product more abstract and self-
>referential. I'm not at all an expert on this, but an art history student
>once told me about an idea of 'musicality' to which some art aspires;
>the creation of artistic beauty that is entirely self-referential and not
>necessarily representative of any aspect of the imperfect outside world.
>
>I probably got that one completely wrong, though...!
>
>Dennis
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Sat Aug 24, 2002 4:40
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Ambience 1 + 2: A Tribute to Tangerine Dream
In a message dated 8/23/02 7:46:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
feldon@f... writes:
<< There were actually 2 tribute albums to Tangerine Dream. I think it's
great
stuff but others have given harsh opinions about it. It certainly seems to
be a polarizing event when others try to recreate or remix beloved songs we
know front-and-back.
Paul's website has tracklistings and cover art:
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/ambience1.html
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/ambience2.html
-Morgan >>
*Some TD fans simply aren't going to like the beats added to their beloved
pieces...
I like them all OK, but Surface 10's Phaedra is just mindblowing! One of my
fav
pieces of EM
Poly
From:
thesmitter@j...
Date: Sat Aug 24, 2002 12:30
pm
Subject: Re:Re: [tadream] Tangerine Ambience 1 + 2: A Tribute to Tangerine Drea m
Anybody ever heard any of Surface 10's cds, and would care to comment on them?
Thanks in advance,
Larry
*Some TD fans simply aren't going to like the beats added to their beloved
pieces...
I like them all OK, but Surface 10's Phaedra is just mindblowing! One of my
fav
pieces of EM
Poly
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Sat Aug 24, 2002 6:17
am
Subject: Tangerine Ambience
I shall have to pencil in some time to listen to Surface 10 in between
Klaus Schulze and Spyra. :)
For anyone who does not know, I had not yet embraced KS until I heard
Historic Edition. Now I am getting into Are You Sequenced?, etc. And Spyra
is just great stuff (altho the 3rd disc on Elevator to Heaven is a bit weak).
-Morgan
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Sat Aug 24, 2002 6:39
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Rudy Adrian
In a message dated 8/23/2002 6:09:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
michaeljean@e... writes:
> Rudy Adrian: Live in Philadelphia
*I highly recommend this concert. He will also be playing in Salt Lake and
Denver. Also anyone in the Northwest interested Rudy and I will be doing a
small show near Portland Oregon. Write me offline if interested.
Peace
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From:
'PERGAMON'
Date: Sat Aug 24, 2002 10:23
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Ambience 1 + 2: A Tribute to Tangerine Dream
> I like them all OK, but Surface 10's Phaedra is just mindblowing! One of my
> fav pieces of EM
> Poly
This is also my favorite from TA1 and (i am probably getting beaten for this)
IMO think that Exit is better than the original.
Jan
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From:
'Bill Fox'
Date: Sat Aug 24, 2002 12:39
pm
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #283
[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
Show #283 August 22, 2002.
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Hemisphere, a band from
Germany known for dark electronic ambient excursions. The Featured CD at
midnight was 'NOW' on the Groove label.
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Bhakti Point' by Richard Burmer on the
Fortuna label.
Hemisphere http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#aug
PLAYLIST:
ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Richard Burmer Nightland Bhakti Point (Fortuna)
Steve Roach and Taking Flight Trance Spirits (Projekt)
Jeffrey Fayman
John Lyell and Ethereal Float Synthetic Universe (Solar Wind)
Brent Reiland
Ben Swire Interim Equilibrium (Foundry)
Cipher One Who Whispers One Who Whispers (Gliss)
Asmus Tiechens and IV The Shifts Recyclings
vidnaObmana (Soleilmoon)
Ian Boddy Frozen Web Box of Secrets (DiN)
12:00 am
Hemisphere Red NOW (Groove)
Hemisphere Orange NOW (Groove)
Hemisphere Blue NOW (Groove)
Hemisphere White NOW (Groove)
Hemisphere Red (reprise) NOW (Groove)
Hemisphere Black * NOW (Groove)
1:00 am
* = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Hemisphere. The
Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Attachment X' on the Groove label.
The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Gandharva' by Beaver and Krause on
the Warner Brothers label.
Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic
Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am.
Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30.
http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow
Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiy.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!]
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sat Aug 24, 2002 1:28
pm
Subject: TT2: Calling Graeme Clark
Graeme, please contact me off-list. Apparently my e-mail messages are
not reaching you.
Sorry list for the interruption.
Antonio Nunes
np: Tangerine Ambience II (thanks Morgan for reminding me these great
tribute albums)
From:
Wade Gordon
Date: Sat Aug 24, 2002 5:27
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Ambience 1 + 2: A Tribute to Tangerine Dream
Both of the c.d.'s are simply incredible and were
played on 'Sound Explorer.'
--- PERGAMON wrote:
> > I like them all OK, but Surface 10's Phaedra is
> just mindblowing! One of my
> > fav pieces of EM
> > Poly
>
> This is also my favorite from TA1 and (i am probably
> getting beaten for this) IMO think that Exit is
> better than the original.
>
> Jan
>
>
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From:
'Admin'
Date: Sat Aug 24, 2002 9:06
pm
Subject: cross post
Note how TD is used to convey a style !
dale
Folks,
I got the new output driver and MIDI Effects processor working yesterday
afternoon. Frankly, we were pretty thrilled with the results of just
twiddling
knobs on the prototype system and I've uploaded a fairly long sample to the
web
pages to demonstrate what the instrument can currently do. Very Tangerine
Dream
circa 'White Eagle'.
I have two other samples which demonstrate tempo changes and some weird
rhythmic
capabilitiies. I'll upload these if there is sufficient interest.
Best wishes
David
--
Infection Music
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From:
'sequentc'
Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 7:22
am
Subject: Cyclone CD + Atem CD
if anyone is interested .......
TD - Cyclone CD
I noticed that Amazon.co.uk have listed 'Cyclone' TAND9 CD as being released
on 19th August 2002 which suggests that they are either obtaining further
new stocks or this has been re-pressed.
TD - Atem CD CMRCD495
Amazon have now listed 'Atem' as being released on 11th November 2002...and
are taking pre-orders?
Munt1
From:
'Admin'
Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 4:34
am
Subject: cross post
Views from other forums.
> when Johannes bailed and then finally
> Franke...something really bad happened. I literally lost ALL interest in
> anything they were doing. Their music lost it's momentum and vision. No
> longer was I taking fantastic journies when I sat down to listen on the
> headphones, waiting for each musical phase with drooling anticipation.
> Now I was just hearing lackluster music that could have come from any
> number of new age or electronic bands. Then more weirdness. Rock song
> covers, tangetizing old stuff over and over and over, etc. Gone were the
> rhythmic sequences, instead replaced with LONG dull non-analog leads and
> Froese's typically bland chord synth washes. I bailed.
I think Dan pretty much summed up TD there.... ^_^
I totally agree.
I think Edgar should put this text on his website. Get a dose of reality.
pe@c...
MIRAI
ps. Victor Cerullo: oooh, nice website, as usual. :^)
pps. Craig P: Nice gig pics. :-)
ppps. The scientologists have branched out with a new religious cult:
'Sound Explorer'
_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
Kiss the future: http://wisdomcore.com
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 4:38
am
Subject: Wavelength LP + Cassettes
I am looking for a Wavelength LP. If anyone is interested to sell or trade
theirs, please contact me off list.
I am also looking for the following cassettes: Dream Sequence (2 cass.),
70-80 (2 cass. box), Encore, Peter Baumann - Trans-Harmonic Nights, $INKEY
#10 w/TD.
Thanks for your help.
Vic
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From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 6:15
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Ambience 1 + 2: A Tribute to Tangerine Drea m
In a message dated 8/23/2002 10:33:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
thesmitter@j... writes:
> Anybody ever heard any of Surface 10's cds, and would care to comment on
> them?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Larry
>
*I only have the one on Hypnotic (or was it Cleopatra? Don't have it with
me.)
I think it's self titled. has a sort of 3D cover.... Very tasty stuff, though
more technoey than would be suggested in the Phaedra cover... I might say
somewhere near Synesthesia sonically if that helps.
Poly
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From:
'Phil White'
Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 10:09
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Ambience 1 + 2: A Tribute to Tangerine Drea m
Hi,
For what its worth here's my two pence worth...
I have two Surface 10 Discs: 'Hypnotic' which I enjoyed a great deal and
would agree with the Poly comment.
However I bought the second 'In Vitro Tide' on the strength of the first
release and was very disappointed... Bland and uninspiring technosynth IMO
of course as all listening experiences are purely personal.
If any one wants to trade for it I'm open to offers :o)
ATB Phil
NP:
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Ambience 1 + 2: A Tribute to Tangerine Drea
m
> In a message dated 8/23/2002 10:33:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> thesmitter@j... writes:
>
>
> > Anybody ever heard any of Surface 10's cds, and would care to comment on
> > them?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Larry
> >
>
> *I only have the one on Hypnotic (or was it Cleopatra? Don't have it with
> me.)
> I think it's self titled. has a sort of 3D cover.... Very tasty stuff,
though
> more technoey than would be suggested in the Phaedra cover... I might say
> somewhere near Synesthesia sonically if that helps.
>
> Poly
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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From:
'Greg'
Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 11:39
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] sleeping
In Order:
Best songs to sleep and/or wind down to
1. Soundmill Navigator
2. Green Desert
3. Horizon
4. Logostypes 4
5. Coldwater Canyon
Greg H.
NP: Joe Jackson: Steppin' Out
From:
chris towers
Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 12:06
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Wavelength LP + Cassettes
I have the Dream Sequence available for you on
Cassette if you like.
Chris Towers
--- vic rek wrote:
> I am looking for a Wavelength LP. If anyone is
> interested to sell or trade
> theirs, please contact me off list.
> I am also looking for the following cassettes: Dream
> Sequence (2 cass.),
> 70-80 (2 cass. box), Encore, Peter Baumann -
> Trans-Harmonic Nights, $INKEY
> #10 w/TD.
>
> Thanks for your help.
> Vic
>
>
>
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From:
peter.stoeferle@t...
Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 2:05
pm
Subject: Make your plans public!!! - was: Re: Rudy Adrian
I suppose that everyone announces to the public if he intends to go to a
non-TD-related concert, because there are still not enough non-TD-related
messages on this list. I hope some more 200 or 300 enthusiastics are dying for
this important event and all of them let us know in advance...
And who of you guys is gonna eat at a fast food restaurant tonite? Tell us,
maybe someone is interested in.
Peter
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:28:26 -0400
> From: Vince LeGrand
> Subject: Re: Rudy Adrian
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> I'll definitely be there.
>
> The entire fall Gatherings schedule is looking great! Rudy Adrian in
> September, Mike Griffin/Dave Fulton in October, and Manuel Gottsching in
> November. :-))
>
> Vince
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Michael Jean'
> To:
> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 8:58 AM
> Subject: [tadream] Rudy Adrian
>
>
> Rudy Adrian: Live in Philadelphia
>
> Rudy Adrian makes his stateside concert debut on Saturday 21
> September 2002 at 8:00pm in the church sanctuary of St. Mary's
> Hamilton Village, 3916 Locust Walk on the Penn campus in
> University City, Philadelphia, PA. For complete details, including
> directions and info on advance tickets, access:
> http://www.thegatherings.org
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From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 2:41
pm
Subject: Dream Sequence Cassettes [Re: [tadream] Wavelength LP + Cassettes]
Hi Chris,
Thanks for the great news - what would you like for the cassettes?
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: chris towers
> I have the Dream Sequence available for you on
> Cassette if you like.
>
> Chris Towers
From:
'vic rek'
Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 2:42
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] Wavelength LP + Cassettes
Sorry - should have been off-list off course :-|
From:
Ken Beal
Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 5:29
pm
Subject: TD & Related For Sale:
Howdy all..
Sorry for the crosspost and the wob, but I am in need of selling my
Tangerine Dream, Edgar Froese and Chris Franke commpact disc collection.
I would really prefer to sell it as a package, but realize that may be
asking the impossible.
If you are sincerely interested, please email me offlist at:
noir43@d...
Please use same subject as this email (just punch reply).
I will then forward the list to you...
Please notice...first come, first served...and may the best man (or woman)
win... ;-)
TIA,
Ken
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 5:22
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Make your plans public!!! - was: Re: Rudy Adrian
Well while its true that TD related messages had been slow, the purpose for
inquiring was so that other list members might be able to meet up before or
after the show. Since E-music events in the US are so rare, people
sometimes travel quite a distance to see the show, and it is helpful to meet
up with folks who might be fanmiliar with the area... That was the main
purpose of the post.
>
>
> I suppose that everyone announces to the public if he intends to go to a
> non-TD-related concert, because there are still not enough non-TD-related
> messages on this list. I hope some more 200 or 300 enthusiastics
> are dying for
> this important event and all of them let us know in advance...
>
> And who of you guys is gonna eat at a fast food restaurant
> tonite? Tell us,
> maybe someone is interested in.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
From:
Dan Downey
Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 5:40
pm
Subject: Re: [tadream] TD & Related For Sale:
Sorry to hear you need to divest yourself of all this
material.
While I have a lot of TD I would like ot see your
whole list. I would be very interested in any of the
Klaus box sets if you have any of those. If the price
is right and a lot of my holes can be filled I might
go for the whole kit and sell off what I don't need.
Please reply to djambient@d... rather than to my
yahoo address.
thanks,
DanD
--- Ken Beal wrote:
> Howdy all..
>
> Sorry for the crosspost and the wob, but I am in
> need of selling my
> Tangerine Dream, Edgar Froese and Chris Franke
> commpact disc collection.
>
> I would really prefer to sell it as a package, but
> realize that may be
> asking the impossible.
>
> If you are sincerely interested, please email me
> offlist at:
>
> noir43@d...
>
> Please use same subject as this email (just punch
> reply).
>
> I will then forward the list to you...
>
> Please notice...first come, first served...and may
> the best man (or woman)
> win... ;-)
>
>
> TIA,
>
> Ken
>
>
>
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From:
'heineu'
Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 6:24
pm
Subject: Burg Nideggen
hello,
I am back from my trip to the both shows of TD at the Burg Nideggen.
And I must say, it was great. Two very good shows: INFERNO with more
effects and fire works at on the Bernau or Berlin-Museumsinsel Shows.
I was at a mystic location. Fantastic.
A great thank you to Edgar , Jerome , Iris , Jaymey , Anja ,Martin
and all the other people from TDI Crew for the possible to meet the
Group after the show backstage. Thank you very much, it was a
pleasure.
Pictures from boths show will follow at my Homepage this week, watch
out, then pictures says more then 1000 words. :-)
Regards
Heiko - Mr. Optical
http://www.opticaldream.de
From:
'fozziebear'
Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 7:59
pm
Subject: Bulletin
I've just got back from a month in Poland and Prague, floods permitting, so
please bear this in mind when reading my comments. I've got loads of emails to
catch up with and I have been reading some of the debate about forums /
bulletins. I am way behind with the thread and I have not read all of them or
any conclusions to the debate yet
I like Marion's observations.
My view - If there can be something like there is now with extras for people to
'forum' as much as they want I am for that. I like the present emails system
in plane text. I usually read all the emails and delete quickly those that
are not of particluar interest.
I am very pleased that this community is growing. It shows that there is
interest for people to stick around. All credit to the organisers and
contributors. I am pleased there is input from TDI. This list is growing
up. I am for change if we can have 'access' to and use of what we have now
got, independence from Yahoo and freedom to talk of taboo subjects.
My 2 zlotys worth
David
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From:
'Daniel Hobrecht'
Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 11:20
pm
Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 1469
Greetings,
This is NOT a spam, but has any one heard or tried this device. Right
now, I run the output from my soundcard into my receiver and use the
main stereo speakers for listening. This device uses a USB connector to
a stereo and claims to improve the sound. Please, respond if you know if
this is fact or fiction.
Also, thanks to Herbert, who got me off MP3 and into shn. What a
dramatic difference.
Regards,
DPH
Subject: see to improve sound of MP3 files
http://www.xitel.com/index.htm.xitel.com/index.htm
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Aug 26, 2002 12:36
am
Subject: USB 'Sound Card'
>From: 'Daniel Hobrecht'
>Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 6:20 pm
>Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 1469
>
>This is NOT a spam, but has any one heard or tried this device. Right
>now, I run the output from my soundcard into my receiver and use the
>main stereo speakers for listening. This device uses a USB connector to
>a stereo and claims to improve the sound. Please, respond if you know if
>this is fact or fiction.
>
>http://www.xitel.com/index.htm
>(corrected URL)
Well, it sure sounds attractive from what I've read on their website. And
my video card (GeForce 2 Xtasy Everything) has audio input, so I could
completely forego by audio card. :)
I really do need to replace my Creative Labs sound card (which has never
had perfect results under Windows 2000 or XP) with something, whether it's
a Turtle Beach or the device reviewed above.
Oh, here's Creative Lab's full-blown USB option (a whole external sound
card, vs the Xitel device which is playback only).
>Also, thanks to Herbert, who got me off MP3 and into shn. What a
>dramatic difference.
An mp3 encoded with the typical mp3 software will definitely lose to SHN.
An mp3 encoded with LAME at 192-224kbps quality after being captured with
EAC should be completely indistinguishable from SHN.
I am listening on Sennheiser phones.
-Morgan
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From:
Morgan Feldon
Date: Mon Aug 26, 2002 5:36
am
Subject: USB Sound Card
Replying to my own e-mails. I think I am getting senile...
>Oh, here's Creative Lab's full-blown USB option (a whole external sound
>card, vs the Xitel device which is playback only).
I was talking about the Extigy. It's an external complete sound card solution.
-Morgan
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From:
Heiko Heerssen
Date: Mon Aug 26, 2002 9:41
am
Subject: Nideggen concert review Saturday August 24th (very long & boring ;-)
After having to drive around 450 kilometres with our car my wife
(yes!..her first TD concert :-) and I arrived at the hotel in a small
village near Nideggen, the town where the 'Eifel Festival' and the
Inferno concert was taking place. TD had already performed the first of
their two gigs and I was told that it was a great and sold out concert
(ca. 600-700 seats). When we arrived at the hotel the lady at the
receiption desk asked if we also wanted to see Tangerine Dream, it seems
she was surprised that her hotel was almost fully booked ~lol~ She told
me that she couldn't believe that people from all over the world (like
Graham from Australia) come to Nideggen just to see them play. Little
did she know..
There still was a couple of hours left before the start of the show, and
so my wife and I decided to check out what is going on in the small town
of Nideggen, and found a parking place near the castle. The town itself
is relatively small but has a nice medieval touch, an apt scenery to
what was lying in front of us. We went around the stage and had a look
at the menu card of the restaurant that was on the opposite site, and
once again I got the impression that since we have the new curreny some
restaurant owners just replaced the Deutschmark with the new Euro sign,
making it twice as expensive as before ;-) After having a look about
what was going on we decided to drive back to our hotel, but before that
a couple I hadn't recognized before asked me if my name was Heiko. It
turned out that it was tadream list member Vincent Guerenne & his wife
from Belgium (Hi Vincent! :-) . On our way back to the car we talked
with them for a while and then drove back to the hotel. There we met
British list member Alan Miller, and an hour later we were walking
through the streets of Nideggen again, and I assume that half of the
people there were TD fans wanting to see the concert. I noticed a couple
of TD diehard fans (the usual suspects ;-) that were sitting outside of
a pub, and so we joined them for a drink. A while later the Heerssens
and Alan went up to the castle and met list member Volkmar Friauf and
his wife. The five of us entered the restaurant and were lucky to catch
a table (somehow I forgot that it would have been better to reserve some
seats) We really had a great time there and all of sudden there was only
half an hour left until the start of the show. So we headed out and all
took our seats. Like all the other TD diehards I managed to get a ticket
for the first row, and from there we had an excellent view of the stage
setup.
Meanwhile the sun had disappeared and it was becoming a bit colder.
The concert started at 9.05 pm..but not with Tangerine Dream! Instead
there was some kind of prologue, a recitation (sp?) of two verses from
Dante's 'Inferno' , spoken in Italian language by Mara Redighieri.
Unfortunately most of the audience (including yours truly) didn't
understand the meaning of her words, and although this was a really
unusual beginning to a TD concert she was greeted with warm applause.
She talked for about 15 minutes. Soon after she ended the 'Inferno' crew
walked in and the crowd gave them all a big roar.
Edgar was sitting on the left, Iris Kulterer standing in the middle, and
Jerome sitting on the right, and the choir singers were standing behind
them (just like it was in Bernau and Berlin). Compared to the last
'Inferno' concert in Berlin the stage was relatively small, but then
again this was no stage diving show with people jumping around like
madmen ;-)
There is not much for me to say about the music, it was very similar to
what they played in Bernau & Berlin. But I noticed that since the 'world
premiere' last October in Bernau a couple of tracks have undergone
slightly different arrangements, and also Iris had some additional
percussion instruments that she used for the first time. As always she
was really 'into the groove' and smiling almost all of the time, and it
was a real pleasure to look at her performance. Once again the female
choir singers were excellent, and lead vocalist Jayney Klimek was always
on the spot..I really like her voice!
The lightshow was much better than the last time in Berlin, very
colourful and full of effects..magnificent! Towards the end of the show
they even had some stage firework (which at one point caused some
problems because one of it accidently landed just a few feet away from
Jerome, still burning)
The sound was very 'fat', much louder than the Berlin concert, Iris'
percussion sounds sent some shockwaves through my body and sometimes I
was wishing for the sound to become a bit more quieter (it's funny that
I am saying this because I often listen to TD music extremly loud under
headphones ~lol~)
After 80 minutes the show ended and almost the whole audience gave TD a
standing ovation, and applauded for a couple of minutes. The TD crew
looked overwhelmed by the reaction and I noticed a big grin on Edgar's
face. Some were yelling for an encore but of course there none (next
time I'd love to hear some passages of Inferno Part 2 as encore :-)
I asked my wife if she liked the concert and to my surprise she said
'yes'..could it be we have a new TD fan here :-)
After the show ended lots of fans waited outside, some of them went to
the merchandise counter while others (incl. me) were hoping to see the
band for a meet & greet. I had a 'Tangerine Tree 2' box for Martin (the
TD manager), and also some replacement discs for Edgar which I wanted to
give him since the ones I gave him after the Berlin concert were more or
less different from the actual release in terms of sound quality & track
indexing, Thanks to Martin (you wouldn't believe what a nice chap he
is! :-) my wife and I were invited into the backstage area which was
extremly small (I think even our living room is bigger) The room was
crammed full with people, incl. the choir singers which I also met in
Berlin. I saw Edgar and gave him my little 'tree' package and explained
to him the reason why.
After a couple of minutes it was time to go, and a few of us TD fans met
again in the pub I mentioned before. The booze did flow and about 1pm we
decided to drive back to the hotel. A perfect finish to what turned out
to be a perfect day. Although I have seen the 'Inferno' show for the
forth time now it was really worth it, and it was a good opportunity for
me to see some new & familiar faces.
Heiko
P.S.: in the tour program of the 'Eifel-Festpiele' (Eifel Festival)
there is also a six-page article about TD, and there it says 'that for
this concert two additional keyboardists will also perform (John Malcolm
and Barry Thompson, both from the UK)' erm..did anybody see them play or
did they hide somewhere where no-one could see them? :-0
P.P.S.: I have four of these tour programs to give away, since they were
for free I only ask to cover my postage cost. Anyone who is interested
in having a copy please send me an email (off-list preferred ;-)
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From:
Marko Marin
Date: Mon Aug 26, 2002 9:59
am
Subject: Re: [tadream] sleeping
Not in any particular order...
From TD:
Alpha Centauri (the title track only)
Zeit (the whole album ;-)
Atem (Fauni Gena only)
Phaedra (the whole album)
Rubycon (first six minutes from Part One)
From Oldfield
Amarok (don't ask why it works for me but it did when
I took a short nap :-)
Regards,
Marko Marin
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